paulGrundy:


No one knows for sure the specific date of Jesus' death, but I don't see anything wrong with devoting a specific date to. Celebrate Jesus' birth. If there are so many wrong stuffs happening on that day, its because it has been hijacked by the wrong people. Christainity has been hijacked by the wrong people, charlatans, fraudsters and fakes. Why didn't you renounce the bible because of the evil it has been used to perpetuate?

Can you now see the weakness in your logic?

You're just twisting all I'm saying to suit your selfish purposes.

paulGrundy:


you know! I love you for something else, you are not easily swayed and you firmly rooted in your religion

Don't let anybody take that away from you. People like you are like the berean christains Paul talked who goes back, and confirm what they've learnt or heard to see if its true.

I blusheth.

MzNelly:


I blusheth.

Please go back and re-read that post, I edited it. Thanks

MzNelly:




You're just twisting all I'm saying to suit your selfish purposes.

What exactely did I say wrong, I don't get it

paulGrundy:


Please go back and re-read that post, I edited it. Thanks

I'll visit, I promise.

And if they're things I don't agree with there, i'd fault you on that.

paulGrundy:


What exactely did I say wrong, I don't get it

Nothing.
You're objective

I guess I like that.

MzNelly:


I'll visit, I promise.

And if they're things I don't agree with there, i'd fault you on that.

thanks for honouring my request.

MzNelly:


Nothing.
You're objective

I guess I like that.

You startled me.

Thank you for the compliment

paulGrundy:


thanks for honouring my request.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe they're the Only One Who Will Be Saved.

That's just....not true at all, Sir.

MzNelly:



Jehovah's Witnesses believe they're the Only One Who Will Be Saved.

That's just....not true at all, Sir.

On the site, you will notice that the word 'saved' is a link, click on the link it'll direct you to another section that has all the quotes that backs up that assertion. I just confirmed the quotes with my Watchtower library CD just now and they are correct.

paulGrundy:


On the site, you will notice that the word 'saved' is a link, click on the link it'll direct you to another section that has all the quotes that backs up that assertion. I just confirmed the quotes with my Watchtower library CD just now and they are correct.

You own that website?
The info there is provided by you?

Wow

What did the Witnesses do to you?

Such zeal

MzNelly:


You own that website?
The info there is provided by you?

Wow

What did the Witnesses do to you?

Such zeal

Good questions, will wait for an answer

MzNelly:


You own that website?
The info there is provided by you?

Wow

What did the Witnesses do to you?

Such zeal

No am not the owner of the site, I only chose to use the owners name as my username because of the great admiration I have for his intelligence.

paulGrundy:


No am not the owner of the site, I only chose to use the owners name as my username because of the great admiration I have for his intelligence.

You amaze me as each second elapse.




That guy keeps hammering on just one point.....We made a mistake.

Bloody hell, who doesn't!

MzNelly:



You amaze me as each second elapse.




That guy keeps hammering on just one point.....We made a mistake.

Bloody hell, who doesn't!

You shouldn't be suprised. I warned you before now that the site is very Critical of jehovahs witnesses. If you want a site that hammers on different points, jwfacts.com is not one of them.

paulGrundy:


You shouldn't be suprised. I warned you before now that the site is very Critical of jehovahs witnesses. If you want a site that hammers on different points, jwfacts.com is not one of them.

It really doesn't bother me, tho. Each to their own, I say.

Tell me what you believe in. What are your doctrines?

MzNelly:


It really doesn't bother me, tho. Each to their own, I say.

Tell me what you believe in. What are your doctrines?

Nice question ...... # following# !

paulGrundy:


No am not the owner of the site, I only [b]chose to use the owners name as my username because of the great admiration I have for his intelligence.

having admitted that you are not paulgrundy in your own statement above i believe that you are aware of nairaland rule number 9; Don't use Nairaland for illegal acts, e.g fraud, piracy, and spreading malware

you pirated paulgrundy's work on NL* true or false?

you also forgot to add that

(2)That you uploaded the real paulgrundy's picture who was 'not a nairaland member without a permission'
(3) and you actually pose as the real paulgrundy when answering Efere701 on the very first thread; 'my story' when you just registered on NL just 2 days prior to 26th september that you engage Efere701 who knew not that you are not real paulgrundy you said '' Well people change, maybe I just realized that JW's are honest and sincere people, maybe my ideologies are changing''

My Story By Paul Grundy Sep 26 www.nairaland.com/1918340/story-paul-grundy

paulGrundy:

Thank you Mr Efere701 for honoring my thread,

I guess you are suprised at the calm and polite manner I respond to JW's. Well people change, maybe I just realized that JW's are honest and sincere people, maybe my ideologies are changing. But one thing I have learnt is to be respectful to other peoples religious views even though you don't agree with them.

not until i put a sustained pressure on you to reveal truth then you start to 'adjust posts'

below [size=14pt]here is a picture you uploaded on NL which is not your picture[/size] https://www.nairaland.com/paulgrundy

Emusan:


Tell me how Moses change in his teaching about God

[s]I wonder how JWs reason because how can the FOUNDER teach WORSHIPPING of Jesus and his followers called such teaching an idolatry?

My main concern is this, Jehovah hates idolatry, THEN why will Jehovah allow Russell to die as idolatry when it is Holyspirit Himself that is directing Russell? [/s]

one at a time, i was replying your post on pg 0,

Emusan
I will soon publish my book titled "why history doesn't favour JWs?"

dont jam-pack topics muddle up issues okay! the topic remains Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World

now lets see even Gods chosen people, and see changes in timing of predictions as well as peoples expectations

(1)*, Moses


Moses delivaered a message of assurance to the elders of isreal assuring them of leaving egypt for a green(er)land/pasture ; promised land, and based on that assurance that they(the elders) will inherit and phisically witness the promise land

Exodus 3:16,17
16 “Go, assemble the elders of Israel and say to them, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob—appeared to me and said: I have watched over you and have seen what has been done to you in Egypt. 17 And I have promised to bring you up out of your misery in Egypt into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—a land flowing with milk and honey.


if we had internet then the isreal elders can assure you that most of them will enter the promise land based on moses pronoucements in exodus above

but what happened

They walked 40 years in the wilderness until all the elderly men(who received the firsthand promise) and all "men of war" who came out of Egypt had died. A total of 603,550 males excluding women and children came out of egypt, only (2 boys joshua and caleb) from the (1st) first generation who left egypt who were very young did enter the promise land, but moses himself and Aaron who delivered the message and who also nurse the feeling that the will enter the promise land DID NOT enter,

Deuteronomy 4:21
The LORD was angry with me because of you, and he solemnly swore that I would not cross the Jordan and enter the good land the LORD your God is giving you as your inheritance.

note; changed expectations

......Moses was inclusive of the 'first isrealite census which God ordered' (603,550 males excluding women and children) so as to know the exact amount of those who will leave for the promise land,(but that promised generation all (but only 2 persons remaining) perished

.......It was Another generation that was raised in the wilderness, who actually entered the promise land.



1, if we had internet then, are you not going to be monitoring their deaths, changes and variances and mock their gullible hope, even labeling the source of those prophets as unreliable?

2, will you still trust message from prophets who claim to have a promise to the isrealites, or doubt those prophets based on the inconsistencies in the previous messages from other prophets to isrealites?


Joshua 5:4 NKJV

4 All the people who came out of Egypt who were males, all the men of war, had died in the wilderness on the way, after they had come out of Egypt.

why would God's promise vary with time?(400 yrs varied to 450yrs)

(2)* Genesis 15:13 Then the LORD said to Abram, "Know of a surety that your descendants will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs, and will be slaves there, and they will be oppressed for four hundred years


Exodus 12:40,41 The time that the people of Israel dwelt in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. And at the end of four hundred and thirty years, on that very day, all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt.

lets start with this 1,2* above

Yooguyz:


biblespeaks and bernimore are the same handle please take note. i had already exposed him in this thread below.

https://www.nairaland.com/1990742/bernimore-truthislight-canticles-loveroftruth-biblespeaks


btw where is paulGrundy? :-

pastor yooguyz

how are your shepherds?

having debunked your frivolous claim, you ran away on this thread for almost a month now;

https://www.nairaland.com/2005419/debunked-bernimore-truthislight-canticles-loveroftruth


(Ed*) E1 alledged to be E2,E3 and E5 Debunked

BERNIMORE/truthislight/CANTICLES exposed as BIBLESPEAKS:

=Yooguyz post=

BIBLESPEAKS: This Yooguy[b]s[/b] abi PaulGrundy of a guy is a sick freak o.

TITLE OF THE THREAD: self service leads to Homosexuality - Watchtower.

QUOTATION FROM WATCHTOWER: self service can lead to Homosexuality.

I don't know what exactly is wrong with him. Looks like his homosexual practices are eating up his brain.
Yooguys/Paulgrundy,by creating this thread you rather made a fool of yourself as you've always done.

Notice how my moniker was spelt above with 's' instead of 'z'

Now observe how BERNIMORE spelt my moniker with 's' instead of 'z'

BERNIMORE: yooguys, what is the essence of quoting bible verses when you dont even believe in those verses as you wrote below

[size=14pt]BERNIMORE is the only handle in nairaland that spells my name as Yooguys instead of yooguyz[/size]

yooguyz claims that i Bernimoore is the only person in nairaland that spells his name as Yooguys instead of yooguyz

when i seached nairaland i discovered other person who spelt among other numerous Yooguys instead of yooguyz

just to mention one of the person his name is Geovanni 24 i chose geovanni case of calling yooguyz as yooguy's'
https://www.nairaland.com/1439402/christians-chatbox/14

geovanni24[size=16pt](m): 6:48pm[/size]

This comment is strictly for @yooguys...ii understand that you are a pastor, pastoring A church of about 3000 members!...Now from your views on the Gay attitude, ii can easily deduce that you have some gay tendencies that you have put under control and ii applaud you for that, since gay is a thing of the mind...Now being a pastor of such an overwhelming crowd, hw do you cope with the large number of your male members who could cme T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ you for councelling?...don't you think you are not honest T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ yourself, iwhen the spirit of Gay is hovering arround your personality,rather. Than rebuking it for life and relinquishing its hold on you psychologically in order T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ serve God better ?...2. If a psychological gay member should come T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ you for. Deliverance/councelling...its assumed you both are faced with the same ordeal, HO̶̲̥̅̶̷̩̥̊͡ do you intend T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ go about it?.....Beside this,since I'm convinced that you are a through man of God, ii will like T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ know you personally, but on anonymous ground, cos of the position you occupy ii believe M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ acquaintance with you will help strengthen M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ relationship with God and also edify M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ view on sexuality and intimate immorality...ii also used T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ be effeminate in M̶̲̥̅γ̲̣̣̥ childhood, although ii was able T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ overcme it,but ii will most gratefully appreciate your enlightenment on this menace!....plz kindly email me sir......trailblazer25@yahoo.com. Ii look forward T̶̲̥̅Ơ̴͡ receiving your email. Tanks sir!

MzNelly:


It really doesn't bother me, tho. Each to their own, I say.

Tell me what you believe in. What are your doctrines?

The person you are discussing with is preparing his response to your request in the post above, he seemed to be very slow in his response, maybe due to the fact that you are making him look 'one dimentional' pls bear with him, he needs time to continue from where you both reached in the discussion

BERNIMOORE:


The person you are discussing with is preparing his response to your request in the post above, he seemed to be very slow in his response, maybe due to the fact that you are making him look 'one dimentional' pls bear with him, he needs time to continue from where you both reached in the discussion

He's probably busy.
Na wa for you

If this is what you can do to cover up your false teaching I'm seriously shaking my head for you.

BERNIMOORE:
dont jam-pack topics muddle up issues okay! the topic remains Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World

Alright

now lets see even Gods chosen people, and see changes in timing of predictions as well as peoples expectations

(1)*, Moses

Moses delivaered a message of assurance to the elders of isreal assuring them of leaving egypt for a green(er)land/pasture ; promised land, and based on that assurance that they(the elders) will inherit and phisically witness the promise land


Exodus 3:16,17
16 “Go, assemble the elders of Israel and say to them, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob—appeared to me and said: I have watched over you and have seen what has been done to you in Egypt. 17 And I have promised to bring you up out of your misery in Egypt into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—a land flowing with milk and honey.


if we had internet then the isreal elders can assure you that most of them will enter the promise land based on moses pronoucements in exodus above

but what happened

They walked 40 years in the wilderness until all the elderly men (who received the firsthand promise) and all "men of war" who came out of Egypt had died. A total of 603,550 males excluding women and children came out of egypt, only (2 boys joshua and caleb) from the (1st) first generation who left egypt who were very young did enter the promise land, but moses himself and Aaron who delivered the message and who also nurse the feeling that the will enter the promise land DID NOT enter,

Deuteronomy 4:21
The LORD was angry with me because of you, and he solemnly swore that I would not cross the Jordan and enter the good land the LORD your God is giving you as your inheritance.

note; changed expectations

......Moses was inclusive of the 'first isrealite census which God ordered' (603,550 males excluding women and children) so as to know the exact amount of those who will leave for the promise land,(but that promised generation all (but only 2 persons remaining) perished

.......It was Another generation that was raised in the wilderness, who actually entered the promise land.



1, if we had internet then, are you not going to be monitoring their deaths, changes and variances and mock their gullible hope, even labeling the source of those prophets as unreliable?

2, will you still trust message from prophets who claim to have a promise to the isrealites, or doubt those prophets based on the inconsistencies in the previous messages from other prophets to isrealites?

Firstly, God didn't change His promise it is you who decided to twist God's word to suit false teaching.
The promise of God is "Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt." Exo 3:10 KJV

This promise of God wasn't directed to the elders as you claimed but THE CHILDREN of Israel
NOTE: I'm not saying the elders are not Israelite but the message is for the WHOLE children of Israel.

Even though you might not aware of this but you've already made it clear in your post that THE ELDERS ALREADY KNEW THAT ALL OF THEM WON'T ENTER, here is your statement "...the Israel elders can assure you that [size=14pt]most of them will enter the promise land..."[/size]

The desire of God is to take them to the promise land but they rebel against God, SHORTLY AFTER the Egyptians were drown Moses KNEW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT'S why Moses gave them the status to follow in other for them to reach the promise land.

"And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: [size=14pt][b]there he(Moses) made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,[/size] 26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee." Exo 15:25-26 KJV

NOT THAT GOD CHANGED HIS PROMISE because had it been that God actually changed His promise NONE of the Israelite INCLUDING their next generation will enter the Land BUT God remains a just God who can't compromise His standard WHICH is ALL SINNERS MUST NOT GO UNPUNISH.

Joshua 5:4 NKJV
4 All the people who came out of Egypt who were males, all the men of war, had died in the wilderness on the way, after they had come out of Egypt.

I hope you know the reason why they died?

God is a covenant keeping God, so why would God can be called a covenant keeper and when He keeps changing in His promise?

Based on the above explanations NOW COMPARE THAT MESSAGE of Moses to Watchtower teaching "...The "great crowd," [size=14pt]including many of the earliest members thereof,[/size] will survive into the "new earth." Survival into a New Earth (1984) p.184-185

"Prophetic information in the Bible about our day details the following: ...The survival of at least some of the generation that saw the beginning of "the conclusion of the system of things." True Peace And Security (1986) p.70

[size=14pt]"Some who saw the events of 1914 will also see the complete destruction of the present wicked world."[/size] Reasoning from the Scriptures (1989) p.200

If this people are no more alive today, is it that they rebel against God?

why would God's promise vary with time?(400 yrs varied to 450yrs)

(2)* Genesis 15:13 Then the LORD said to Abram, "Know of a surety that your descendants will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs, and will be slaves there, and they will be oppressed for four hundred years


Exodus 12:40,41 The time that the people of Israel dwelt in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. And at the end of four hundred and thirty years, on that very day, all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt.

lets start with this 1,2* above

in fact this particular one shows how you lack scriptural knowledge because it's so glaring that you lack it for using these two scriptures which their message were so straight forward.

Genesis 15:13 says "...they will be oppressed for four hundred years" which you Bolden yourself WHEREAS Exodus 12:40-41 only SUM UP ALL THE YEARS THEY DWELT and BE OPPRESSED in the Land of Egypt which you Bolden too "The time that the people of Israel dwelt in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years..."

The statement of Genesis is so cleared because people can see that the verse is only talking about THE YEARS THEY WILL ONLY BE OPPRESSED not all the years of their dwelling and oppression.

Grow in wisdom man.

The genesis of all this argument is the 1914 JW trademark false prophesy which they (Jehovah witness) still hold as 'bible truth' till date, despite the fact that this 1914 falsehood had been debuked severally as a lie.

While other dates prophesied (1918, 1925, 1975, 1984) had been jetisoned (by the same watchtower as 'mistakes'), the 1914 was retained because so much time, money, energy, public info had been invested on the year 1914 as a bedrock of modern JW doctrine and any attempt at debukin the year, as another mistake, could have a significant effect on the watchtower movement as a whole.

So to keep the JW organization functioning and retain membership loyalty, the 1914 fallasy must remain as an officially sanctioned doctrine that must not be questioned by any JW member (or else he\she will be disfellowshipped).

However, the doctrine of 'the generation that witnessed\saw 1914' must be consistently tailored to always meet current scriptural needs (as the light gets brighter) because the JW doctrines are prone to changes (as deemed necessary by the governing body, the discreet slaves at Brooklyn office of the watchtower organization).

[size=14pt]My response coded F1* [/size]

@Emusan, i am going to build my response to your post starting from bottom to top

Emusan:


in fact this particular one shows how you lack scriptural knowledge because it's so glaring that you lack it for using these two scriptures which their message were so straight forward.

really? ok lets see how brilliant you were;

Emusan:
Genesis 15:13 says "...they will be oppressed for four hundred years" The statement of Genesis is so cleared because people can see that the verse is only talking about THE YEARS THEY WILL ONLY BE OPPRESSED not all the years of their dwelling and oppression.

Easy! Easy!! i am not going very far to prove you wrong that Genesis 15:13 PROPHECY is NOT only talking about THE YEARS THEY WILL ONLY BE OPPRESSED BUT RATHER all the years of their dwelling and oppression

the solution is not far fetched as bible 'interprets itself' so, i have more than 6 bible refferences about prophecy of isreal lifespan in egypt recorded in Genesis 15:13 let me pick the first of the verses from new testament that knock your argument out. Acts 7:6

paul apostle did not agree with you Emusan on this, what you are trying to separate was summed up as 'strangers' by paul, maybe they dwell or enslaved or mistreated sum up to the the bottom line that 'they are strangers in egypt'


[size=14pt]Acts 7:6
God spoke to him(Abraham) in this way: 'For four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated.[/size]

'strangers in egypt' is the word that encapsulate their time of; enslavement and mistreattment and oppression.

Now after reading Acts 7:6, i still lack scriptural knowledge in your own short sighted opinion?

Emusan:

Genesis 15:13 says "...they will be oppressed for four hundred years" [size=14pt]which you Bolden yourself[/size] WHEREAS Exodus 12:40-41 only SUM UP ALL THE YEARS THEY DWELT and BE OPPRESSED in the Land of Egypt which you Bolden too "The time that the people of Israel dwelt in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years..."

you jumped what i first Bolden in Genesis 15:13, why? here is my original post see it again

Bernimoore;
(2)* Genesis 15:13 Then the LORD said to Abram, "Know of a surety that your descendants will be sojourners(strangers kjv*) in a land that is not theirs, and will be slaves there, and they will be oppressed for four hundred years

so why do you remove the first clause (in blue that i equally bolden) ? is it deliberate or you did not see it?

[size=14pt](Affirmation coded F1*a) i affirm that The prophecy in Gen 15:13(seconded by Acts 7:6 in OT) which actually sum up the whole period that isrealites will be strangers(including their oppression/slavery) as 400 yrs

while Exo 3:10 shows variance or changes to the period to 430 yrs (400yrs-430yrs) variance
validates why 1914 cannot be brush aside, but expectation can be delayed even the Assemblies of God church was sure of that yr 1914 [/size]



[size=14pt]you need big lenses to see it[/size]?

Emusan:




Firstly, God didn't change His promise it is you who decided to twist God's word to suit false teaching.

Who is changing the 'issue here to promise'? Emusan
who is forcing 'reasons' on this issue? Emusan?

back to the topic; Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World

as you can see the topic, 'reasons why' is not an issue here, but rather, why those who are expected to be around in 1914 have hrastically reduced now, and yet the end has not come! the OP did NOT include 'reasons (in his submissions in the Topic itself but focuses on variances in the age(s) of those alive in 1914 and why the end has not come or yet to come whereby those who are alive in 1914 that are around now and are Jw are few and dwindling.

The promise of God is "Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt." Exo 3:10 KJV

This promise of God wasn't directed to the elders as you claimed but THE CHILDREN of Israel

i am laughing in yoruba hehehe (yooguyz/paulgrundy) laugh the same way too so permit me, back to the discussion


in Exodus 3:10 above, God was instructing and delegating an assignment to moses, oga Emusan or what did you call yourself?

how this 'delegating of an assignment or oversight of bringing out the isrealites out of egypt became a 'straw-promise' as speculated by Emusan 'ko ye mi rara'

here is the message God delegate as an assigment to moses, read bolded

Gen 3:9-11

9 Now therefore, behold, the cry of the children of Israel is come unto me: and I have also seen the oppression wherewith the Egyptians oppress them.

10 Come now therefore, and I will send thee(moses) unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt
11 And Moses said unto God, Who am I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt?


you see why i say that you need lenses.

NOTE: I'm not saying the elders are not Israelite but the message is for [size=14pt]the WHOLE children of Israel[/size].

The message in Gen 3:10 is all about God directing Moses on 'exactly the extent of what to tell pharaoh' namely; bringing forth the children of Israel out of Egypt and not for moses to declare ''the destination'' which include cannan (the promised land) to pharaoh as it will amount to 'exposing isreal's destination 'an imformation not meant for pharaoh, (that explains why God did not include 'land of cannan etc promise land as a message to be included for pharaoh in Gen 3:10) which you wrongly mistake for a promise

here is the promise again and i affirm again;

Exodus 3:16,17
16 “Go, assemble the elders of Israel and say to them, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob—appeared to me and said: I have watched over you and have seen what has been done to you in Egypt. 17 And I have promised to bring you(elders with whole isreal) up out of your misery in Egypt into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—a land flowing with milk and honey.



if internet is handy then, the isreal elders can boast on the internet that 'we have been personally assured by God' that we shall enter the promise land

and someone who monitors that on the net and watch how all the elders assured personally all died without entering the land but for another generation to be the beneficiaries will stress variances for sure. (you did not comment on the internet factor if available then)

Even though you might not aware of this

you see your life? forcing your opinion on me!

but you've already made it clear in your post that THE ELDERS ALREADY KNEW THAT ALL OF THEM [size=14pt]WON'T[/size] ENTER, here is your statement "...the Israel elders can assure you that most of them will enter the promise land..."[/size]

do you see [b]won't (bolded) in my statement? you force it, right! when i say ''that most of them will enter the promise land'' i never allude they they knew that they wont enter the land, but rather i was considering the older ones who are very old among the elders ok?

your next post is not an issue here, as i have stated the reason, the topic is NOT ABOUT REASON, but only about variances with respect to fufilment of a prophecy;
[s]
The desire of God is to take them to the promise land but they rebel against God, SHORTLY AFTER the Egyptians were drown Moses KNEW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT'S why Moses gave them the status to follow in other for them to reach the promise land.

"And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: [size=14pt]there he(Moses) made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,[/size] 26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee." Exo 15:25-26 KJV

NOT THAT GOD CHANGED HIS PROMISE because had it been that God actually changed His promise NONE of the Israelite INCLUDING their next generation will enter the Land BUT God remains a just God who can't compromise His standard WHICH is ALL SINNERS MUST NOT GO UNPUNISH.

[/s]

[s]Emusan; I hope you know the [size=14pt]reason why[/size] they died? God is a covenant keeping God, so why would God can be called a covenant keeper and when He keeps changing in His promise? [/s]

''reason why'' not an issue here

Emusan; Based on the above explanations NOW COMPARE THAT MESSAGE of Moses to Watchtower teaching "...The "great crowd," [size=14pt]including many of the earliest members thereof,[/size] will survive into the "new earth." Survival into a New Earth (1984) p.184-185

do you see ''reasons quoted alongside? reasons why it changed was not included by the op! so its not an issue here, ok

"Prophetic information in the Bible about our day details the following: ...The survival of at least some of the generation that saw the beginning of "the conclusion of the system of things." True Peace And Security (1986) p.70

reasons why it changed was not included by the op! so its not an issue here

[size=14pt]"Some who saw the events of 1914 will also see the complete destruction of the present wicked world."[/size] Reasoning from the Scriptures (1989) p.200

reasons why it changed was not included by the op again! and so its not an issue here, its outside the topic's jurisdiction!

If this people are no more alive today, is it that they rebel against God?

rebel is a reason you are giving here, its outside the topic's jurisdiction! and not included in the allegded quoted magazines.

its good to have more of your replies blown up like this if you try to change the topic.

true2god:
The genesis of all this argument is the 1914 JW trademark false prophesy which they (Jehovah witness) still hold as 'bible truth' till date, despite the fact that this 1914 falsehood had been debuked severally as a lie.

While other dates prophesied (1918, 1925, 1975, 1984) had been jetisoned (by the same watchtower as 'mistakes'), the 1914 was retained because so much time, money, energy, public info had been invested on the year 1914 as a bedrock of modern JW doctrine and any attempt at debukin the year, as another mistake, could have a significant effect on the watchtower movement as a whole.

So to keep the JW organization functioning and retain membership loyalty, the 1914 fallasy must remain as an officially sanctioned doctrine that must not be questioned by any JW member (or else he\she will be disfellowshipped).

However, the doctrine of 'the generation that witnessed\saw 1914' must be consistently tailored to always meet current scriptural needs (as the light gets brighter) because the JW doctrines are prone to changes (as deemed necessary by the governing body, the discreet slaves at Brooklyn office of the watchtower organization).

see who is talking about 1914 and armagedon, i cant laugh

1, your church Assemblies of God church predicted armageddon in 1914, and changes to 1919 and 1945, true or false, goolgle that now
2, your church doctrine do not include ''excomunication of members'' but hypocritically, you have embraced it through the back door as your light is getting better


Reverend Emeka was reported to have been excommunicated by the AGC after allegations of misappropriation of funds and several misconducts were levelled against him
ist it a shame that assasination attempt is made by members of your church to the General Superintendent of Assemblies Of God Church Reverend Emeka

[size=14pt]'Some Pastors Plan To Assassinate Me' - General Superintendent Cries Out[/size]
http://pulse.ng/religion/assemblies-of-god-church-some-pastors-plan-to-assassinate-me-general-superintendent-cries-out-id3252230.html

lets start with that one too, i want to engage you!

BERNIMOORE:


see who is talking about 1914 and armagedon, i cant laugh

1, your church Assemblies of God church predicted armageddon in 1914, and changes to 1919 and 1945, true or false, goolgle that now
2, your church doctrine do not include ''excomunication of members'' but hypocritically, you have embraced it through the back door as your light is getting better


Reverend Emeka was reported to have been excommunicated by the AGC after allegations of misappropriation of funds and several misconducts were levelled against him
ist it a shame that assasination attempt is made by members of your church to the General Superintendent of Assemblies Of God Church Reverend Emeka

[size=14pt]'Some Pastors Plan To Assassinate Me' - General Superintendent Cries Out[/size]
http://pulse.ng/religion/assemblies-of-god-church-some-pastors-plan-to-assassinate-me-general-superintendent-cries-out-id3252230.html

lets start with that one too, i want to engage you!

Dont deflect the argument as usual, stick to the topic bro. You can as well open a thread on Assemblies of God 'prophesies' or scandals in Assemblies of God church, whichever topic you might want to use.

This thread is all about the trademake lies JW is telling, concerning 1914, which they do not want to stop till now, but are fine-tuning it.

Dont be a BARRISTER for lies and confusions.

MzNelly:


It really doesn't bother me, tho. Each to their own, I say.

Tell me what you believe in. What are your doctrines?

I don't have any particular doctrine per say, but let's say I tend towards protestant evangelicals. I attend a church that upholds sola scriptural, but that is open to other denominations.

true2god:
Dont deflect the argument as usual, stick to the topic bro. You can as well open a thread on Assemblies of God 'prophesies' or scandals in Assemblies of God church, whichever topic you might want to use.

This thread is all about the trademake lies JW is telling, concerning 1914, which they do not want to stop till now, but are fine-tuning it.

Dont be a BARRISTER for lies and confusions.

you have NOT denied that your church(Assemblies of God also ADVOCATE such trademake lies either; the issue is relating to the topic, and will be discussed right here so that the forum will understand the position of the jw. thanks for joining issues with the 1914 issue

i repeat again that;

1, your church(True2God's church; The Assemblies of God church Actually predicted armageddon in 1914, and changes to 1919 and 1945, among numerous other expectations, true or false

what scares you to deny my claim? your silence to either admit or deny could be termed as 'you consented'


2, Excomunication issue, Assasination attempt on your church's Gen Sup. shall be for another thread

so shall we fire on? on (1) above

BERNIMOORE:


you have NOT denied that your church(Assemblies of God also ADVOCATE such trademake lies either; the issue is relating to the topic, and will be discussed right here so that the forum will understand the position of the jw. thanks for joining issues with the 1914 issue

i repeat again that;

1, your church(True2God's church; The Assemblies of God church Actually predicted armageddon in 1914, and changes to 1919 and 1945, among numerous other expectations, true or false

what scares you to deny my claim? your silence to either admit or deny could be termed as 'you consented'


2, Excomunication issue, Assasination attempt on your church's Gen Sup. shall be for another thread

so shall we fire on? on (1) above

The BARRISTER of JW will always live on lies and deflections. There is no any official prophesy from Assemblies of God, be it 1914 or any other date, when armageddon will happen. Create a thread where Assemblies of God made a false prophesy (like your watchtower), so that we can discuss it.The only organization still holding unto this indefensive and unsensible lies (1914 christ 'presense') is the watchtower which you are defending.

Go and read 1984 edition of 'FOREVER YOU CAN LIVE IN PARADISE EARTH'.

I wonder how honest you could be in real life when you defend lies with all your time\energy. If watchtower GB is reading NL, they will be impress with your gullibility and pseudo-knowledge, and this will do you no good.

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