mxxpunkxx1:


Sir, this is where u are getting it wrong. You can choose to believe what you want to believe but take time to read the following lines, carefully.

1. Satan was created, initially, perfect.
2. Perfection, in this case, means without sin or rebellion.
3. But , yes, there is a but.
4. God didnt create robots . . . .or machines
5. He could have created robots or machines if he wanted
6. But he choose to install freewill . . . what is freewill . . cos u seem not to understand the meaning of freewill

Freewill is the ability to choose between good or bad . . . Now back to our topic

7. When God created the angels, he created them perfect but with freewill
8, He gave them conscience . . .
9. The conscience enabled them to know good and bad . .. dont ask me how bad came to exist, its'a foolish question, but i'll answer
10. The conscience preaches to somebody . . .e.g. if i tell you to drink 100 bottles of malt, will u agree? Hell no, why?
cos you'll know u might not survive it. But have u seen on the news where they said 100 bottle of malt killed somebody, No . . . it hasnt happened before. But when i ask you to drink 100 bottle of malt, there's a spirit within you that tells you it's risky and you might die. Now that's freewill ! 100 bottles of malt hasnt killed anybody, but u know it can kill you, so u refuse.

Back to our topic.

11. When the angels were created, they were instructed by God . . worship me and everybody is happy, disobey me and you will be punished. that's a simple and realistic rule . . . So they knew right from the onset that worshipping God was the right thing, and disobeying God was the wrong thing. How canyou even disobey somebody that created you ?

12. But God told them, I cannot force you . . worship me or disobey me . . stay with me or suffer defeat, the choice is yours to make. Now that's freewill . . The angels will not worship God by force, God showed them, this is good , this is bad . . You should choose the good, but if you like, you can choose the bad. I will not force you, make the choice yourself.

13. Satan decided to choose the bad, and so did Adam . . in the garden of Eden . . God told him, eat from every tree, but this tree, pls dont eat. it was more like a test, and Adam disobeyed. How can you disobey someone who created you? Can you disobey your father? It means you don't respect or value him. . . Back to our topic

14. Satan choose the bad , since Satan isnt a robot, he is human like you. he has been given the gift of life and death and has been advised to choose life. But he said NO, i want death, so how is it God's fault. Mind you, when Satan chose to rebel, God could have killed him instantly . . but no, God said , since you chose death, i will use you as an example to show other people what death looks like . . .So God didnt kill him, only defeated him and sent him down to earth. He lost his powers to materialise. Back then angels could materialise and turn into humans, but Satan lost the ability, God wthdrew it from him, but didnt kill him

15. Now the choice is yours. Use Satan as an example. He was created perfect, but God gave him a choice. e.g You as a human, I can choose to give you 9 black women and 1 white woman, and i tell you. You can sleep wit the 9 black women, but pls dont even touch or kiss the last white woman. And you went ahead to disobey . . . Now you cant say i caused it, because 9 women are enough to satisfy every desire you can think of, breaking the law with the 10th woman is pure greed, selfishness and disobedience.

Now u will ask me again, where does greed, selfishness and disobedience cme from? And i reply you:

Cos when i gave you the 9 women, i showed you. I told you already, sleep and do whatevrr with 9 women and enjoy life. Touch the 10th woman and you will die . . . And you choose to touch the 10th woman, then surely u must die . .

Thanks

lol rubbish

I just wonder sometimes, if sin was in heaven the first time what makes us so sure it won't be there the second time. afterall almost everything God created perfect ended up being imperfect.

anyway evil and good comes from the lord

chizzily:

lol rubbish

2 Corinthians 4:4
And Satan has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the glorious news of God might not shine through . . .
if i preach from now till 2mrw, u no go believe me, cos Satan has blinded your sense of reasoning . . so y waste my time?

#OKBye

chizzily:
I just wonder sometimes, if sin was in heaven the first time what makes us so sure it won't be there the second time. afterall almost everything God created perfect ended up being imperfect.

anyway evil and good comes from the lord

Oga live ur life anyhow u want am . . if there are any consequences, no be me and u go suffer am . . na only you nah
y am i even disturbing myself . .

mxxpunkxx1:


2 Corinthians 4:4
And Satan has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the glorious news of God might not shine through . . .
if i preach from now till 2mrw, u no go believe me, cos Satan has blinded your sense of reasoning . . so y waste my time?

#OKBye

whatever, but sometimes its easier to say ' I don't know' than make baseless and ridiculous assumptions. bye

mxxpunkxx1:


Oga live ur life anyhow u want am . . if there are any consequences, no be me and u go suffer am . . na only you nah
y am i even disturbing myself . .

I don't recall asking you to disturb yourself or give me permission to live my life.

chizzily:

whatever, but sometimes its easier to say ' I don't know' than make baseless and ridiculous assumptions. bye

A question was asked . . why was it asked . cos you guyz dont know n wat to learn ..

ok, we have answered and yet . . u guyz are saying it';s incorrect . . .

since u know the whole story, then u guyz shouldnt av asked in the 1st place . .

#foodforthought

chizzily:

I don't recall asking you to disturb yourself or give me permission to live my life.

Its just a friendly reminder . . so on that fateful day . . . i can proudly beat my chest and say: " I WARNED YOU, but you will not listen."

mxxpunkxx1:


A question was asked . . why was it asked . cos you guyz dont know n wat to learn ..

ok, we have answered and yet . . u guyz are saying it';s incorrect . . .

since u know the whole story, then u guyz shouldnt av asked in the 1st place . .

#foodforthought

I didn't ask the question, but I found your illustration silly. anyway bye# continue

^^ and dat was how Noah warned about the deluge and they mocked him saying . . "since when u were born, av u ever seen such rainfall "?

but it happened eventually and it was too late cos the doors of the arks were already shut tight . . and it rained for 40days and 40 nights . . .

besides, nobody is making baseless assumptions, we can back it up with bible citations . . .

chizzily:


I didn't ask the question, but I found your illustration silly. anyway bye# continue

then please give us a "correct" illustration of what really went down . . and if' ure' correct . .

i'll eat my shoe on live internet/youtube feed

mxxpunkxx1:


Its just a friendly reminder . . so on that fateful day . . . i can proudly beat my chest and say: " I WARNED YOU, but you will not listen."

lol till then.

chizzily:

lol till then.

yes but pls this first .

then please give us a "correct" illustration of what really went down . . and if' ure' correct . .

i'll eat my shoe on live internet/youtube feed

u see, she has ran . . .

u criticized my illustration and called it sT*pid (silly)
ok, tell us what happened in heaven and how Satan came to be . . .

u no fit answer . . . mumu of d highest pedigree

mxxpunkxx1:
^^ and dat was how Noah warned about the deluge and they mocked him saying . . "since when u were born, av u ever seen such rainfall "?

but it happened eventually and it was too late cos the doors of the arks were already shut tight . . and it rained for 40days and 40 nights . . .

besides, nobody is making baseless assumptions, we can back it up with bible citations . . .

if I have seen such rain. before? and it happened eventually? I am guessing you saw the rainfall cause you were there right?

7. When God created the angels, he created
them perfect but with freewill

He gave them conscience . .
anyway back this statement with the bible

Harmony10:


Jealousy, Pride, Ego, Anger etc are all came from God. God created these emotions in all his creatures to help them when they need an extra push. Just as adrenaline which give something extra when we reach a dead end and need to escape.

In my estimation, most of these set of emotions are not meant for everyday use because of their destructive tendencies - they are really powerful. For instance I read once how anger can help a timid person speak fluently and boldly in that circumstance when he is angry. If you combine these emotions with other gifts such as Knowledge and freewill/freechoice created in us all, it make very powerful beings.

Knowledge helps us become increasing aware of any phenomenon in our world, thereby giving us more power to get more benefit from that area of knowledge. Then we also have Free Choice to use these power the way we deem fit. Freedom is a very precious gift God bestowed on all His intelligent Beings (Angels & Humans) - something other living beings can never attain to. None of us human can never desire the life of animals or plants cos they were not created with many of these gift that makes us human beings.

Having said the foregoing, what turns all these gifts from God into evil is the choice to put them to bad use. In case of lucifer, He became more aware of his position relation to God's position - knowledge. He coveted God's position and decided to put all his gift from God against God. He decided to become bad and started evil influence. He influenced a third of angels in to become demons. The truth we have freedom to make choices but what we will finally decide to do depends on both on outside influence (what we are hearing, seeing, reading etc) and inner influence (how we interpret all input into the decision making process).

Please be careful of these influences and make effort to choose right because your decisions will be judged at all have be said and done.

God bless you!

chizzily:

if I have seen such rain. before? and it happened eventually? I am guessing you saw the rainfall cause you were there right?

7. When God created the angels, he created
them perfect but with freewill

anyway back this statement with the bible

Not just the angels, everybody . . .

◄ Deuteronomy 30:15 - 17 ►

"Look! I have set before you today life and prosperity on the one hand, and death and disaster on the other.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
"But if your heart turns away and you refuse to listen, and if you are drawn away to serve and worship other gods,
I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.

Deuteronomy 11:26
See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse--


Jeremiah 21:8
"Furthermore, tell the people, 'This is what the LORD says: See, I am setting before you the way of life and the way of death.

mxxpunkxx1:
u see, she has ran . . .

u criticized my illustration and called it sT*pid (silly)
ok, tell us what happened in heaven and how Satan came to be . . .

u no fit answer . . . mumu of d highest pedigree

I didn't run, I just don't argue with everyone. religion is a very sensitive issue and most Christians can't air their views without insulting. and you obviously one

^ those are 3 bible verses of God declaring to show us good and bad , , advising us to choose good, if we want life,
or if we like choose bad, and face the consequence . .

or u need more bible verses ?

chizzily:

I didn't run, I just don't argue with everyone. religion is a very sensitive issue and most Christians can't air their views without insulting. and you obviously one

U called my post silly . . a silly post is created from within a silly mind, so u called me silly

and i proved u wrong . . and show u to be a "world class mumu"

now u saying most Christians insult . . lol

firstolalekan:

Please stop contradicting yourself, EVERYTHING was created by God.
Good
Evil
Bad
Good
Spirit of anything
thought etc....

okay sir.

mxxpunkxx1:


Not just the angels, everybody . . .

◄ Deuteronomy 30:15 - 17 ►

"Look! I have set before you today life and prosperity on the one hand, and death and disaster on the other.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
"But if your heart turns away and you refuse to listen, and if you are drawn away to serve and worship other gods,
I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.

Deuteronomy 11:26
See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse--


Jeremiah 21:8
"Furthermore, tell the people, 'This is what the LORD says: See, I am setting before you the way of life and the way of death.

I repeat show me where God was telling angels that he is giving them freewill. and where it was stated in the bible that angels have a conscience.

chizzily:


I repeat show me where God was telling angels that he is giving them freewill. and where it was stated in the bible that angels have a conscience.

Without being insulting, u are just plain dumb . . .
Can you tell me the very hour ur parents made love and conceived you ? If you can, i will show u the exact bible verse where angels were created with freewill

I expect nothing less from an Athiest

chizzily:


I repeat show me where God was telling angels that he is giving them freewill. and where it was stated in the bible that angels have a conscience.

He gave everybody a freewill and conscience . . . even animals ..
animals are not robots, they still have instincts that guide them . . . how much more humans, or angels . . .
by the way, didn't they tell u that for a fact, if every detail that happened in the bible were to be penned down . . the world wouldn't contain it's many pages ...

by the way, u havent told us your own version of what transpired in heaven between God and Satan

mxxpunkxx1:


He gave everybody a freewill and conscience . . . even animals ..
animals are not robots, they still have instincts that guide them . . . how much more humans, or angels . . .
by the way, didn't they tell u that for a fact, if every detail that happened in the bible were to be penned down . . the world wouldn't contain it's many pages ...

by the way, u havent told us your own version of what transpired in heaven between God and Satan

another assumption. please back up the statement I quoted with scriptures

One bible citation for you . . .

Book of Job 2:3 -7
Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason."
Satan replied to the LORD, "Skin for skin! A man will give up everything he has to save his life.
But now stretch out your hand and strike his flesh and bones, and he will surely curse you to your face."
"All right, do with him as you please," the LORD said to Satan. "But spare his life."
So Satan left the LORD's presence, and he struck Job with terrible boils from head to foot.

Here the bible shows us where God questioned Satan about Job and appealed to Satan to test him, but not kill him.
You can see the issue of freewill here . . in two parts.

1. Job - despite his afflications, curse God or not?
2. Satan - go ahead and strike Job and see if he will curse me or not . . Satan went ahead and yet again, he failed.

chizzily:


another assumption. please back up the statement I quoted with scriptures

One bible citation for you . . .

Book of Job 2:3 -7
Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason."
Satan replied to the LORD, "Skin for skin! A man will give up everything he has to save his life.
But now stretch out your hand and strike his flesh and bones, and he will surely curse you to your face."
"All right, do with him as you please," the LORD said to Satan. "But spare his life."
So Satan left the LORD's presence, and he struck Job with terrible boils from head to foot.

Here the bible shows us where God questioned Satan about Job and appealed to Satan to test him, but not kill him.
You can see the issue of freewill here . . in two parts.

1. Job - despite his afflications, curse God or not?
2. Satan - go ahead and strike Job and see if he will curse me or not . . Satan went ahead and yet again, he failed.

no evil spirit corrupted lucifer. he already is a spirit. but corrupted himself with his desire and ambition to be higher than God.

[size=14pt]and why are you dodging this request . .

by the way, u havent told us your own version of what transpired in heaven between God and Satan

u seem to know it more accurately than I do . . i am waiting[/size]

mxxpunkxx1:


Without being insulting, u are just plain dumb . . .
Can you tell me the very hour ur parents made love and conceived you ? If you can, i will show u the exact bible verse where angels were created with freewill

I expect nothing less from an Athiest

so why did you then say you can back up all your statements. another assumption, I am not atheist.
sometimes its easier to say I don't know, since you can't prove it. #bye... continue

mxxpunkxx1:


One bible citation for you . . .

Book of Job 2:3 -7
Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason."
Satan replied to the LORD, "Skin for skin! A man will give up everything he has to save his life.
But now stretch out your hand and strike his flesh and bones, and he will surely curse you to your face."
"All right, do with him as you please," the LORD said to Satan. "But spare his life."
So Satan left the LORD's presence, and he struck Job with terrible boils from head to foot.

Here the bible shows us where God questioned Satan about Job and appealed to Satan to test him, but not kill him.
You can see the issue of freewill here . . in two parts.

1. Job - despite his afflications, curse God or not?
2. Satan - go ahead and strike Job and see if he will curse me or not . . Satan went ahead and yet again, he failed.

lol we are talking angels, you are talking job.

chizzily:

so why did you then say you can back up all your statements. another assumption, I am not atheist.
sometimes its easier to say I don't know, since you can't prove it. #bye... continue

since u dont know what happened, then allow us that know to tell the audience listening . . .
if u are ready to contradict my statements, u must also back up your words . . and i know for a fact , nope, u're spiritually dead . .