Dcmg:
Ok,do your greater God take pleasure in Killing People?

don't ask me' if u insult my God u will go for it by death, do u want to test my God?

frankmishael1:
now i know ur stand: month end then

[size=20] Nooo month end is too far... tonight tonight or is your god not all powerful again? i suggest you start praying and fasting, go naked to make it more effective... and if i dont die today i will open a thread tomorrow and mention you [/size]

johnydon22:


[size=20] Nooo month end is too far... tonight tonight or is your god not all powerful again? i suggest you start praying and fasting, go naked to make it more effective... and if i dont die today i will open a thread tomorrow and mention you [/size]

my prayer has been answered, month end for u

wordcat:


My bible tells me" our pastor said" is their common language.

Leave what they say alone, what do you believe and say yourself? What is our profit and hope after HERE. One has to live WITH PURPOSE and FOR PURPOSE. What is yours?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

I pray that the Spirit of the living God will reach out to your SOUL this morning in Jesus name.

frankmishael1:
don't ask me' if u insult my God u will go for it by death, do u want to test my God?

[size=20] i am testing you god ooooooooooooo... aaah make i shout am? start praying for ur god to kill me today oooo or it will be official it doesnt exist.. [/size]

frankmishael1:
my prayer has been answered, month end for u

[size=20] nawa oo and i said i want it today, month end is too far for me to remember we had this bet... today today please start praying for me to die tonight..or!!! [/size] lol even ur fellow christians must be shaming for u now..

ooman:


You mean it takes more education and intelligence to understand evolution than it takes to believe in god.

What u call education is what u have been made to believe in faith, what if for example u have been taught from youth that there is no number 5 u would never had had problems with it cos thats what all believe in. Science/proves/learning/education is only buit up on other peoples ideas n ones u cant quote someone famous in order to buttress ur own idea than u will never be taken serious.

NB All these theories n ur beliefs are only taking out meaning out of existence n are good for nothing else, or do u really think life has no meaning?

davien:
You are right,I just get so frustrated over this so called "christians" and their efforts to discredit anything rational.

I understand your angst bro...With time tho'...With time!

Dcmg:
Ok,do your greater God take pleasure in Killing People?

LOL. You didn't know? His god is a serial killer.

frankmishael1:
don't ask me' if u insult my God u will go for it by death, do u want to test my God?

Smh.So this is what Religion has to offer?
Ask them a simple question they tell you gibberish

Masterclass32:


Abi?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion regardless of how correct or incorrect they may be.

You can't prove spiritual things by arguments. I cant prove to you, my friend, that Jesus is God just by saying it. Its not possible no matter how hard I may try. You need an encounter so that the Holy Spirit Himself will convince you. And I pray you get the encounter sooner than later.

Jesus loves You.

I know he loves me .... Which was why he came to spread the gospel about the one and only ominipotent God

Wah I do not understand is how *our lord jesus* became mightier than the Creator*

meanwhile in science; Jupiter's moon Ganymede shows to possess water .. Another candidate for possible extra-terrestrial life..

Dcmg:
Smh.So this is what Religion has to offer?
Ask them a simple question they tell you gibberish

u want to join then?

now these ones will start arguing whether jesus is God or not

Masterclass32:
:
Abi?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion regardless of how correct or incorrect
they may be.
You can't prove spiritual things by arguments. I cant prove to you, my
friend, that Jesus is God just by saying it. Its not possible no matter how
hard I may try. You need an encounter so that the Holy Spirit Himself will
convince you. And I pray you get the encounter sooner than later.
Jesus loves You.

[size=20] This one is theistic about jesus (jesus is god) [/size]

Humblebloke:


I know he loves me .... Which was why he came to spread the gospel about the one and only ominipotent God

Wah I do not understand is how *our lord jesus* became mightier than the Creator*

[size=20]And this one is atheistic about jesus (jesus is not god)[/size]

This only proofs that these god concepts are just mere human fabrications...

ooman:


I saw it, I was just wondering why you need to change the topic. Perhaps the current one is way out of your ken?

OK. Point being established, do you now agree that life is impossible without God? That is the very first step to knowing the Ideal God. Like the question I asked that guy in which I mentioned you as a mysterious animal, challenging him to prove he's human, not everything can be subjected to proof, be it agnosticism, theism, atheism deism, e.t.c. These thoughts are based on logic and can't be subjected to proof, just the way logic tells me you're human.

frankmishael1:
u want to join then?

Get a life Brother

frankmishael1:
u want to join then?

[size=30] ooh shut the fvk up... Do you accept my challenge? start praying for me to die today cus if i dont die today, then it will be official your God doesnt exist.. now tell me have you started praying[/size]

slogozer:
[b][/b]

Calm down brother. Let frustration be far removed from your heart. There are more important things in life than hating and 'angrying' about Christians. Peace is quite elusive in this world without adding those.

It is only one life and the last I know there are no hate discrimination to those close and near to us all who are answering the transition BUS STOP of DEATH.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. I am sure deep down your heart you are hungry for the truth.

Read with me Revelations 20

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The QUESTION I leave with you is "what if the above is true".

Something tell me you used to be a strong Christian or you have been exposed thorough in the truth. Do not live in self-denial.

I leave you with Micah 6:6-8

6 Wherewith shall I come before the Lord, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old?

7 Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Whoa whoa whoa, back up fella.....frustation isn't equal to anger....I'm not angry with christians....it's just that nowadays there are a large group willing to lie to make people follow them...and i'm frustrated at that.

And sorry to say but those bible verses mean nothing to me, I'm an agnostic atheist.

slogozer:


Leave what they say alone, what do you believe and say yourself? What is our profit and hope after HERE. One has to live WITH PURPOSE and FOR PURPOSE. What is yours?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

I pray that the Spirit of the living God will reach out to your SOUL this morning in Jesus name.

Did humans ever beg god to create them?

After life is not my problem because I don't think of it
My concern is abt this life am living now

johnydon22:


[size=20]And this one is atheistic about jesus (jesus is not god)[/size]

This only proofs that these god concepts are just mere human fabrications...

You need spiritual healing...... You need an encounter with the *ultimate guide*

#peace

davien:
Whoa whoa whoa, back up fella.....frustation isn't equal to anger....I'm not angry with christians....it's just that nowadays there are a large group willing to lie to make people follow them...and i'm frustrated at that.

And sorry to say but those bible verses mean nothing to me, I'm an agnostic atheist.

Don't worry about what you are; agnostic or non-agnostic atheist. Worry about the fact that you have heard the gospel(good news) severally. At the right time before the Judge of the earth (hopefully for rewards and not for sentencing) you will realise like all the other AGNOSTIC ATHEIST before you that no one chooses his father or mother.

My wonderful friend, The Bible on the last day will be a WITNESS to this day(hopefully to paradise). shalom!

ooman:


We do have holidays. New year is purely secular.

I pity your ignorance. You don't even know that you are counting number of years that surfaced after the birth of Jesus. It's 2015 years after the birth of Jesus. The 12 months calendar was invented by pope Gregory. That's y we call it Gregorian calendar. So Jesus came into the world 2015 years ago. So what is secular in that? It's a Christian calendar, Muslims have their own new year calendar.

[size=15]Looking at all theist argument here, none of them seem to be sure their God exists. their arguments only revolve around "First cause
Argument" Something can't come out nothing, therefore everything
that exists
must need a creator" lol...which ironically i can use this to say it was zeus or horus that created the world

Using a god that always existed doesnt solve this problem, it only
postpones it.
Because you have to assume your god didn't need a creator (pops
out of
nothing) and created everything out of nothing.. Failing in your
own argument..
If you can assume your god don't need a creator then i can say
such for the
universe.
But if something can't come and out of nothing then Your god
cant exist on it's own
it must have been created by another god, who then must have
been
created by another and the chain goes on resulting to a chain of
infinite regress.
Bringing such a thing as "a god did it" is a huge stab in the
intellectual curiosity
of man and drastically reduces your willingness and ability to
acquire the
knowledge of how it happened.

and

God of the gaps argument.."We don't know this which mean a god must have done it..
This is a very archaic argument and is a shame to the 21st century.

The ancient men once believed their was a store room for snow and the rain must be due to a god taking a piss, but now through study we know better and nobody is attributing these things to a god anymore..

Using such argument in the 21st century is so primitive... Yes we don't know about so many things now, that what science is all about to learn about what we dont know and understand what we dont understand..not someone who doesnt know and wouldnt want to know just say "god did it"and that is it.

Science and studies will always be improved and our science now will be nothing compared to that of our children or their children before them..most questions we have now will be answered commonly then..
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Summary of this thread(this will save your time)-

-"Atheists require faith. They believe in the big bang and evolution!"

-"Atheists are fools! It says so in this dusty old book written 3000yrs ago by ignorant, desert dwelling, camel piss-drinkers, that I've never read from cover to cover."

-"Look at the sky! It's pretty. Theists: 1, Atheist: 0"

-"Atheists believe the world exploded and the milk, boobs and the female reproductive. Theists: 2, Atheist: 0"

-"My God will kill you next month. Repent, he loves you! Theists: 3, Atheist: 0"

-"No atmosphere on the moon but the flag waved! Theist: 4, Atheist: 0"

-"How did everything come about? Scientists say stuff I don't understand, this book that also tells me the earth is the centre of the universe says God did it! Theists: 5, Atheist: 0"

-"My dear friend, you have to believe oh unless you will burn in hellfire. {cites random bible verse}"

-"My God is the real one! It says so in his diary!"

-"Big asteroid no hit earth kill all. God! Theists: 6, Atheist: 0"

-"Things exist. That article on how the eye evolved is too long hence it was designed! Theists: 7, Atheist: 0"

-"Lmao. Scientist are stewpid! They think my skydaddy didn't speak the world into existence 6000yrs ago!"

-"Until I see a selfie of the big bang, me no believe!"

-"Nigerian atheists are following the white man instead of this other white man Jebus!"

-"The great flood killed the dinosaurs, because well fvck them! We found them burried afterall!"

-"Pope G invented calender. Hence everyday is a Christian day." ...etc

So to you stewpid atheists out there and 'evolutionists' that are always using big big words...we are clearly winning! God: 1 000 000, Atheist: 0!

slogozer:




Don't worry about what you are; agnostic or non-agnostic atheist. Worry about the fact that you have heard the gospel(good news) severally. At the right time before the Judge of the earth (hopefully for rewards and not for sentencing) you will realise like all the other AGNOSTIC ATHEIST before you that no one chooses his father or mother.

My wonderful friend, The Bible on the last day will be a WITNESS to this day(hopefully to paradise). shalom!

Yes I've heard the "gospel"
,and I've spent my time even preaching it before I became an atheist.

I've also been exposed to different denominations of "the gospel",in all that,no one ever presented anything as proof....

it's all faith,and that is an admission to not having any evidence.


Your faith is no different than an idol worshipper,no different than a budhist,hindu,mithraist,etc...

And the issue is people willing to lie and dumb down society just to promote their faith.

wordcat:


Did humans ever beg god to create them?

After life is not my problem because I don't think of it
My concern is abt this life am living now

Do children have to ask their parents either?

Not thinking about after life? Start thinking but also plans towards it. Just my advice

Ecclesiastes 11

8 But if a man live many years, and rejoice in them all; yet let him remember the days of darkness; for they shall be many. All that cometh is vanity.

9 Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.

10 Therefore remove sorrow from thy heart, and put away evil from thy flesh: for childhood and youth are vanity.

MightyMuna:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo

My belief is that there is a supreme entity or being, something that governs the universe. However, I don't believe that supreme being is the supreme being of religions.

Because it's abundantly clear that the characteristics and attributes of God in these religious books are false, contradictory. Embodiment of paradox.

They say God is all-knowing, all-merciful, etc yet he will torture you for eternity. I repeat eternity.
How can he say his love for you is unfathomable and his mercy knows no bound but in the same breath say he will PUNISH YOU FOR ETERNITY.

1 billion years and he's still punishing you. Eternal damnation. When does the mercy come into play?

My life became more meaningful after I banished Abrahamic religion's concept of god in it in the year 2000. After my first year of study in Europe, I started questioning everything, seeking answers for most of the things we take for granted in Nigeria. I deliberately took all my elective courses from faculties of theology and philosophy. After courses like epistemology, philosophy of science, creation narratives, logic, history of religion, anthropology of religion and philosophy of religion, my eyes got opened. When you finish a course like epistemology or theories of knowledge, you would think twice before using terms like "The GOD I KNOW" which is common in Nigeria.

Religion in Nigeria is pure business. Never give your money to no pastor. If a pastor need anything he should ask it from god as he advises you to do. Why ask you for your last card when he can ask god to give him? You all know why.....no god gives money.

slogozer:




Don't worry about what you are; agnostic or non-agnostic atheist. Worry about the fact that you have heard the gospel(good news) severally. At the right time before the Judge of the earth (hopefully for rewards and not for sentencing) you will realise like all the other AGNOSTIC ATHEIST before you that no one chooses his father or mother.

My wonderful friend, The Bible on the last day will be a WITNESS to this day(hopefully to paradise). shalom!

Which calendar are you using... Gregorian/Julian calendar huh? this is a roman calendar invented by the early christians. and your christian faith is a roman invention (Paulus and constantine)

in hebrew calendar this is the year 5775...

in mayan calendar its a different thing all together...

The bible.. i doubt you even know how this bible came to be..

davien:

No,a large number of atheists aren't rationalists...And those that are,don't have to "believe in" anything....you're merely equivocating(exchanging the words) "believe in" instead of "accept" to conjure a resonance of faith...

This is already a fallacy in itself....

Starting by equivocating words to imply faith....you then moved forward to attach your misunderstanding of a scientific theory....

Let us see where this leads to.



In the very same context you're using....it could be said that atheist(more specifcly,the rationalists) also "believe in"(the appropriate term is accept) Newtonian physics....does that magically turn gravity into a belief?

Even so,your dishonest presupposition(pre-concluded assumption) falls apart when you've already said "most atheists"....so you're also generalizing your observation based on a selected group.

Lets proceed.



Tell me what you mean here...because I need you to define your terms here....

And I also question the basis for calling the earth "designed"....what is the determinant of a designed earth?....can you provide or tell me how an undesigned earth would look like...so as to know?

And the reality we share doesn't remotely favour common sense.

Our intuition would tell us that between an egg and a boulder,dropped at the same time and from the same height....that the boulder should hit the ground first(because it's heavier)....but reality differs....

They both hit the ground at the same time(in fact, this is a standard test in physics to demonstrate that our intuitions doesn't matter to any event at play....until demonstrated)

And we've actually witnessed firsthand' the birth of planets and stars from chaotic supernovae...what would you call that?




I doubt any rationalists would say "randomness", but I see perfectly what you're doing...

You're trying to misrepresent the secular position of existence to somehow give your belief a more sane appearance....

The rebuttal I have for this pathetic dishonest misrepresentation is this....

Nature is probabilistic...not entirely random and not entirely ordered,and neither is it neutral(this may shock you ofcourse).....


Lets observe the cell wall....more specificly the semi-permeable membrane....it is a phospholipid bilayer of naturally occuring compounds.

On exposure to water,it's properties(which are determined by the head group and it's chains) form the bilayer by extending its hydrophobic(water dreading) layer in and it's hydrophilic(water loving) layer out...forming the "bilayer" in the process,that keeps the membrane from being permeated by everything(hence the term "semi-permeable"


Note that this function operates due to contrasting features that do not go together(i.e the hydrophobic effect)....but because of probabilistic qualities it encounters...it serves as a building block of cells...literally the walls.



I doubt you know the "law" you're talking about, may we know what this law is called and it's full implications....Is it thermodynamics?

Because if it is,you should have known that "order" and "disorder" in thermodynamics are referred to as "entropy" and entropy actually has values(I.e J/k )...and the total entropy of a system is determined by the work(useful energy)....

And since energy isn't created or destroyed(1st law) ....work gets rearranged into different forms(2nd law)....ofwhich one of those forms is matter.... (2nd law)



This is the hypocrisy of it all, after equivocating and misrepresenting everything you can....you then thank those who subscribe to the same faith you do...for support...

Good job, by this rate the well knowledgeable would depart from your religion after witnessing the extents used to retain the belief.

Gosh so tired, it takes much work to expose a lie than to tell it...And I believe I've exposed you quite well...

Anyone willing to know any of this should either go to a noteable school of thought, library , google, etc lol

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_bilayer

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/therm/entrop.html

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_%28order_and_disorder%29

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrophobic_effect

You tried in your write up, but it still has some flaws.

You said atheists don't have to believe anything, but at least they believe there is no God who created the universe, unlike theists.
Why are you battling to differentiate 'believe' and 'accept'? Can you accept what you don't believe in? Even in Merriam Webster dictionary, one of the definitions of 'believe' is:
"to ACCEPT something as true, genuine, or real".

You said we've witnessed first hand the birth of planets and starts? I disagree with you. I'd rather say that new planets and stars are being discovered, with advancement in astronomy. None of the astronomists can prove with certainty that those planets and stars were just formed. Even if they are, can He who formed the universe not advance it further?

You also said work gets rearranged into different forms of which part of it can be matter... That's not what Newton's 2nd law of motion states. It states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed but converted from one form (of energy) to another (not converted to matter) .You can't convert energy to matter. You can only convert energy to energy, for example solar energy is converted to heat or electrical energy, chemical energy in petrol is converted to mechanical energy etc.

By and by, your rebuttal is also flawed, just like the original post has some flaws considering that the op mentioned most atheists, rather than some.

By the way, I believe in God and I'm a Christian. I don't have answers to everything about the earth or creation, but I still choose to believe.

PastorOluT:


What u call education is what u have been made to believe in faith, what if for example u have been taught from youth that there is no number 5 u would never had had problems with it cos thats what all believe in. Science/proves/learning/education is only buit up on other peoples ideas n ones u cant quote someone famous in order to buttress ur own idea than u will never be taken serious.

NB All these theories n ur beliefs are only taking out meaning out of existence n are good for nothing else, or do u really think life has no meaning?

Still making the same mistakes equating science with faith.

Are you suggesting there is no case where a student discovers something that disproves what his teacher believes? This is infact the way science grows. New discoveries tell us where we are wrong and teaches us new things.

This never happen in religion. So science is never a belief system.


And why dont you tell me the meaning of life.

falopey:


I pity your ignorance. You don't even know that you are counting number of years that surfaced after the birth of Jesus. It's 2015 years after the birth of Jesus. The 12 months calendar was invented by pope Gregory. That's y we call it Gregorian calendar. So Jesus came into the world 2015 years ago. So what is secular in that? It's a Christian calendar, Muslims have their own new year calendar.

Why dont you read something on solar year and see who is ignorant.

Misogynist2014:
OK. Point being established, do you now agree that life is impossible without God? That is the very first step to knowing the Ideal God. Like the question I asked that guy in which I mentioned you as a mysterious animal, challenging him to prove he's human, not everything can be subjected to proof, be it agnosticism, theism, atheism deism, e.t.c. These thoughts are based on logic and can't be subjected to proof, just the way logic tells me you're human.

Why would I agree? What have you said that will make me agree with this nonsense.