Gombs:


Alright. You called Pastor Chris' explanation above a doctrine. How did you come to that conclusion? Can you define a doctrine for me please, as you would to a 5 year old?

WinsomeX:


A doctrine is a teaching. By extension a teaching that leads unto a belief that informs a practice.

I usually do not have a problem with what Christians do - their practice. If however such practice proceeds from a false belief, result of false doctrine, I draw the dagger.

WinsomeX:
Don't belabour the 'help" thing. There is no need for long explanation. My analysis on CE cultism is not personal.

Outside doctrine, whatever else we do should be left to our own individual conscience to determine whether it right or wrong. If it is OK with you, it is fine with me. I however will object to false teaching. Which is NY bone of contention on this thread.

Gombs:

Fair enough. Continue your cult expose! Seems it's just you that's interested so far.

WinsomeX:
SUMMARY OF THREAD UP TILL PAGE 5

INTRODUCTION BY WX: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult#32353049

CHRISTIAN SCIENCE, MORMONS, JEHOVAH WITNESSES AND WOF BY WALTER MARTIN: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult#32365032

THE FALSE GOSPEL OF CHRIST EMBASSY BY WX: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult/1#32381792

INTRODUCTION TO KINGDOM OF THE CULTS BY WALTER MARTIN: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult/1#32393735

CULT SEMANTICS BY WALTER MARTIN: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult/2#32417698

DISSECTING A CHRIS OYAKHILOME TEACHING BY WX: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult/3#32488776

THE PSYCHOLOGICAL STRUCTURE OF CULTISM BY WALTER MARTIN: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult/3#32514481

AN ANALYSIS INTO OYAKHILOME DOCTRINE OF "A MAN OF GOD CANNOT SIN" BY WX: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult/4#32592680

Absolved Of All Guilt . - Sunday, April 12th . 

Pastor Chris 

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life (Romans 5:18). 

Jesus wasn't only delivered on account of our sins, He was also raised for our justification: "Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification" (Romans 4:25). What does it mean to be justified? It means to be "discharged and acquitted". We've been absolved of all guilt! In the mind if justice, in the eyes of God, you never sinned; therefore, there's no charge against you. You might wonder, "How is this possible?" 

The reason is simple: the Christian is a new creation. 2 Corinthians 5:17 says, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new". The new creation is a brand new species of being that never existed before; he's without a past. That's why God can declare him, "not guilty" because there's nothing to judge since he has a brand new life! 

This is the concept of justification. Our justification isn't because Jesus "paid" for our sins; He did that for the whole world of sinners, but the Christian isn't a sinner. He's a new creation. 

The new creation isn't a product of the death and burial of Jesus Christ, but of His resurrection! Christianity came from the resurrection. The whole world was paid for by His death, but when you believe in Jesus, you're recreated (John 3:16); you're born again and are made righteous! We read in Romans 4:25 that He was raised (resurrected) for our justification; the Amplified version says it was for "...(our acquittal), [making our account balance and absolving us from all guilt before God]". 

You're justified, because you're a new creation. This is the reason we must keep telling the unsaved to come into Christ, because when they do, they'll become new creations; their past will cease to exist; they'll be born into a newness of life - absolved from all guilt! 

Confession...
I walk in the light of my justification, rejoicing in the life of glory and righteousness in Christ! Having been justified by faith, I have peace with God, absolved of all guilt, free to live and serve the Lord joyously, and gloriously, in Jesus' Name. Amen. 

Further Study:
Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. ; 

Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Daily Scripture Reading 

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 13:1-21, Judges 12-13

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Mark 1:29-39, Leviticus 12

Gombs:


WinsomeX, you gotta just admit you were wrong to say Christianity started at the cross. When I read today's devotional (our cult book), I couldn't help but thank God for what Jesus did for the world of men.

These are plain and great truths. Anyone who has issues with this is an enemy of the gospel, either out of sheer ignorance or deception. However, whosoever is willing to be taught of the Spirit with be like the Bereans, or have an open heart to receive God's Word that'll be able to save them.

You see why you need get off your project here on NL and go tell everyone about Christ? But how can you tell them if you do not know Christ enough and what He did for us, especially by His ressurection? If you deny the word of God its efficacy by your traditions?

That's where I come in, I can only intercede that you may come to the knowledge of truth, unto all goodness.

The Bible said problems came to folks BECAUSE OF THE WORD, and if CE keeps being attacked by folks like you, it shows it's of the Word. No one will greatly attack Churches like Olumba Olumba, Brotherhood of light and star etc churches as they do CE, and I am no surprised.

Good morning

What I don't see you do is address specific issues winsomeX had raised about CE. 

What I see you do is diverting attention away from the issues he has raised. 

You say things like " I hope not to be back here again." then you again reappear.

If you want to stay why not address specific issues raised. Pick them up one by one and deal with them. 

Having said that I'd like you to answer this question: why has the sign of the cross been a major symbol in Christianity?

One more thing - which comes first, justification or being a new creation?

This is the concept of justification. Our justification isn't because Jesus "paid" for our sins; He did that for the whole world of sinners, but the Christian isn't a sinner. He's a new creation.

The new creation isn't a product of the death and burial of Jesus Christ, but of His resurrection! Christianity came from the resurrection.

trustman:
Having said that I'd like you to answer this question:
why has the sign of the cross been a major symbol in Christianity?
One more thing - which comes first, justification or being a new creation?

Gombs:
Really? Is it by pictorial signs? What of the purported picture of Christ?
Can you show me where in the scriptures it was remotely suggested that the sign of the cross is a major symbol of Christianity?
So, if Jesus was shot or stabbed or beheaded, a pistol or dagger will be a major symbol of Christianity?
Let's not derail...open a thread, I'd be glad to tutor you on this.

Joagbaje:
Your assumptions are wrong brother.
And it's a sin to call Gods people a name God hasn't called them

MuttleyLaff:




If it's trying corner or to pin Gombs down, he's almost impossible to catch because he will be slippery as an eel and wriggle out of grasps

How typical [b]mixing up crime scenes e.g. the cross, with murder weapons e.g. spear, pistol or dagger, [/b]

Mind you Gombs, a pistol or dagger is a killing tool, in order words both are murder weapons

The cross is a crime scene, call it a "crime room" if you like, a place where a murder took place.
Jesus was CRUCIFIED, "killed" on a cross at Calvary or Golgotha

The cross was where Jesus Christ was CRUCIFIED

The cross served to bridge the gap that was between mankind, us and the Father.

The cross was where Jesus took our punishment on Himself

The cross was where the reconciliation of God and mankind through Jesus Christ was done.

If Gombs is asking "Can you show me where in the scriptures it was remotely suggested that the sign of the cross is a major symbol of Christianity"
then 1 Corinthians 2:1-2 is suffice, as verse 2 provides a clear evidence that the cross serves as a major catalyst and symbol of Christianity

1When I came to you, brothers, I didn't come and tell you about God's secret with rhetorical language or wisdom
2For while I was with you I resolved to know nothing except Jesus the Messiah, and him crucified.

Gombs:
^^
Simple and short.

Joagbaje:

Your assumptions are wrong brother. And it's a sin to call Gods people a name God hasn't called them.

Gombs:


WinsomeX, you gotta just admit you were wrong to say Christianity started at the cross. When I read today's devotional (our cult book), I couldn't help but thank God for what Jesus did for the world of men.

These are plain and great truths. Anyone who has issues with this is an enemy of the gospel, either out of sheer ignorance or deception. However, whosoever is willing to be taught of the Spirit will be like the Bereans, or have an open heart to receive God's Word that'll be able to save them.

You see why you need get off your project here on NL and go tell everyone about Christ? But how can you tell them if you do not know Christ enough and what He did for us, especially by His ressurection? If you keep denying the word of God its efficacy by your traditions?

That's where I come in, I can only intercede that you may come to the knowledge of truth, unto all goodness.

The Bible said problems came to folks BECAUSE OF THE WORD, and if CE keeps being attacked by folks like you and whatever media, it shows it's of the Word. No one will greatly attack Churches like Olumba Olumba, Brotherhood of light and star etc churches as they do CE, and I am not surprised.

Good morning

WinsomeX:
SEMANTICS

This is from chapter 2 of Dr Martin's book titled: SCALING THE LANGUAGE BARRIER:

"A concrete example of a redefinition of terms can be illustrated in the case of almost any of the Gnostic cult systems that emphasize healing and hold in common a pantheistic concept of God (Christian Science, New Thought, Unity, Christ Unity Science, Metaphysics, Religious Science, Divine Science - and Word of Faith, bc WoF descended from these other cults).

In the course of numerous contacts with this type of cultist, the author has had many opportunities to see the semantic maze in full operation, and it is awesome to behold. Such a cult adherent will begin talking at length about God and Christ. He will speak especially about love, tolerance, forgiveness, the Sermon on the Mount, and, as always, the out-of-context perversion of James’ “faith without works is dead.” It should be noted that hardly ever in their discourses will such cultists discuss the essential problem of evil, the existence of personal sin, or the necessity of the substitutionary atonement of Christ as the sole means of salvation from sin, through the agency of divine grace and the exercise of faith. In fact, they conscientiously avoid such distasteful subjects like the proverbial plague and discuss them only with great reluctance.

Of course there are exceptions to this rule, but on the average it is safe to assume that reticence will characterize any exploration of these touchy issues. Both Christian Science and Unity talk of God as Trinity; but their real concept of God is a pantheistic abstraction (Life, Truth, and Love constitute the triune divine principles—Christian Science). The historic doctrine of the Trinity is seldom, if ever, considered without careful redefinition. If the reader consults the Metaphysical Bible Dictionary, published by the Unity School of Christianity, he will see the masterpiece of redefinition for himself. For in this particular volume, Unity has redefined exhaustively many of the cardinal terms of biblical theology, much as Mary Baker Eddy did in her Glossary of Terms in the book Science and Health With Key to the Scriptures.

The reader will be positively amazed to find what has happened to biblical history, the person of Adam, the concept of human sin, spiritual depravity, and eternal judgment. One thing, however, will emerge very clearly from this study: Unity may use the terminology of the Bible, but by no stretch of the imagination can the redefinition be equated with the thing itself. Another confusing aspect of non-Christian cultists’ approach to semantics is the manner in which they will surprise the Christian with voluminous quotations from no less authority than the Bible, and give the appearance of agreeing with nearly every statement the Christian makes in attempting to evangelize the cultist. Such stock phrases as “We believe that way too; we agree on this point” or the more familiar, “[Mrs. Eddy, Mr. or Mrs. Fillmore, Mr. Evans, Dr. Buchman, Joseph Smith, or Brigham Young, or Chris Oyakhilome] says exactly the same thing; we are completely in agreement.” All such tactics based upon the juggling of terms usually have the effect of frustrating the average Christian, for he is unable to put his finger on what he knows is error, and is repeatedly tantalized by seeming agreement which, as he knows, does not exist. He is therefore often forced into silence because he is unaware of what the cultist is actually doing. Often, even though he may be aware of this in a limited sense, he hesitates to plunge into a discussion for fear of ridicule because of an inadequate background or a lack of biblical information.

The solution to this perplexing problem is far from simple. The Christian must realize that for every biblical or doctrinal term he mentions, a redefinition light flashes on in the mind of the cultist, and a lightning-fast redefinition is accomplished. Realizing that the cultist will apparently agree with the doctrine under discussion while firmly disagreeing in reality with the historical and biblical concept, the Christian is on his way to dealing effectively with cult terminology. This amazing operation of terminological redefinition works very much like a word association test in psychology. It is simple for a cultist to spiritualize and redefine the clear meaning of biblical texts and teachings so as to be in apparent harmony with the historic Christian faith. However, such a harmony is at best a surface agreement, based upon double meanings of words that cannot stand the test of biblical context, grammar, or sound exegesis. Language is, to be sure, a complex subject; all are agreed on this. But one thing is beyond dispute, and that is that in context words mean just what they say. Either we admit this or we must be prepared to surrender all the accomplishments of grammar and scholastic progress and return to writing on cave walls with charcoal sticks in the tradition of our alleged stone-age ancestors."

This leads me to state the following:

1. All that Chris Oyakhilome does in his preaching is "redefinition". Twisting orthodox Christian terms to fit a preconcieved mindset. All WoF adherents are guilty of this but CEC is even more guilty.

2. The reason why debates with CEC members are unending is bc of redeifinition. Example: the orthodox, biblical and historical meaning of "redemption" is salvation from sin, alone. The CEC member, like other WoF members, have redefined this to mean salvation from sickness, poverty and sin. In the real context salvation from sin is relegated to the background, while salvation from sickness and poverty is exalted. That is why a CEC member has no qualms with a Pastor who has been alleged to have inappropriate relations with women, as long as that Pastor is rich and healthy. The moral question is not an issue at all.

3. Those who can trace the long debates between trustman and mbaemeka, a leading CEC cultist on this forum, or btw Candour and mbaemeka, will realize that the problem was usually with the meaning of words - semantics. Cultists thrive on redefinition.

4. The vocabulary of the cultist is not the vocabulary of the bible.

5. Christians must understand the cultist's vocabulary and help him trace the true biblical meaning of such words.

6. Cults thrive in a society of ignorance where people can be bamboozled into believing errors all bc a preacher wears sleak suits and speaks a forced "fone".

We will be looking at the psychological structure of an average cultist next and we will try to juxtapose this with the thiniking of leading CEC cultists on this forum.

Stay tuned.

WinsomeX:

I have called your church a cult and proved it. Prove that what I'm doing is a sin.

Joagbaje:
We never said if a christian does something wrong it's not a sin. So I'm amazed at how you came to that. Conclusion. What we believe which I have always posted on this forum is that an umbeliever cannot commit sin. He is sin personified
It's only a christian who can commit a sin. There is sin against the brethren and sin against God.
It's a Christian that can RECIEVE forgiveness.
But here you give impression as though we teach people to do wrong and it' won't be a sin.

Gombs:
Hush son!

Gombs:
So, if a criminal is executed by electric chair, is that said to be murder?
So the cross is now a crime scene?...does executing a criminal via an electric chair makes the electric chair a 'murder weapon'?

Think son.. Think.

Gombs:
If I slam a hammer on guys head, would it be wrong to call the hammer a killing tool? i.e. a murder weapon?

Wrong. Jesus was a sacrifice. He gave Himself up. He commanded His death Himself.

The Cross was not a crime scene...
It was the sacrifice 'platform' Jesus had to endure, for the glory ahead of Him. Jesus was NOT murdered.
Jeez...study son! It's not illegal

Gombs:
John 10:8 New Living Translation
"No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily.
For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again.
For this is what my Father has commanded."

It's either you're right and Jesus was exaggerating, or you're sorely wrong. I choose the latter.

Gombs:
Be ni

Gombs:
The cross was where Jesus paid the price for all mankind. But it didn't end there...
He resurrected, and hence became the first begotten from the dead, because so many others were coming after Him is me, you or any New creation. His resurrection was what brought forh Christianity.

Jesus' ressurection is Christianity, he died was wonderful, for it paid the price...

Gombs:
But even more glorious was His ressurection, He produced a lot more Jesuses

Gombs:
What about the ressurection?

Gombs:
I am in no way against the cross, for if Jesus was not dead, there wouldn't have been a ressurection. My issue is, Christianity came by the ressurection, and not on the cross. If Jesus had not risen, there would not have been Christianity, for no other religion has this, the ressurection power Christ gave us.

Gombs:
The cross is not a symbol of Christianity.

Gombs:
What if Jesus was sentenced to death by hanging, and later, He did ressurect?
What would have been the symbol of Christianity? Ropes or trees?

Gombs:
What brought you Justification before God? His death or ressurection?

Gombs:
NB:Crucifixion was a method of execution to the Romans.
It was a disgraceful method of execution.

Gombs:
Jesus could have been beheaded, what then would have been your symbol of Christianity?

MuttleyLaff:

I have never read anything so "confused.com" anywhere else like these
It is like saying an evil person cannot commit evil because such is already evil personified
or a career criminal crime is not or cannot commit a crime because such is crime personified.

MuttleyLaff:



Whatever the prevailing official or state method of carrying out of capital punishment or the death penalty would have been the symbol of Christianity
Stop going on a rabbit trail Gombs, Jesus was prophesied to die for our sins on a cross, crucified, and so he died on a cross as prophesied

Gombs:
Well this is a slam dunk in basket ball.
After long evasion, and hankey-pankey games, you still came to the point I have been asking about. For that, I thank you.

So, then, like I asked, if Jesus was stoned to death, what what have been the symbol of Christianity? Stones or ...

Hilarious.

Gombs:
Your writing pattern is same as Goshen's... Even the way he quotes scriptures.
I don't want to believe what I'm thinking o

Joagbaje:
That's your interpretation. If you want explanation "simply ask.com"

MuttleyLaff:

Keep on consoling yourself falsely
Paul and us arent talking about the murder "stoning to death" weapon
but rather where the "crime" or act as it were was carried out - at the cross, cruficfied
Told you earlier, you are smart, should work it out yourself Gombs, you easily can do that on your own without assistance

We are doing detective too, a man of many talents

Gombs:


I'm glad viewers of this thread can make a good judgement of events here.

Gombs:
You never can tell... Just like how we busted WinsomeX aka Drummaboy.

Actually, one does not need special skills to know these. I've been discussing with some folks here for like 4 years, day in, day out. It is normal for me to detect a red flag in communication. If you guys would love changing moniker, no problem with me... Your messages don't change, nor write pattern.

If you are him, fine, if not fine...its not my problem. I just stated the obvious.

Gombs:
Can we stop derailing now?

Gombs:

Gombs:

WinsomeX, you gotta just admit you were wrong to say Christianity started at the cross. When I read today's devotional (our cult book), I couldn't help but thank God for what Jesus did for the world of men.

Pastor Chris Oyakhilome:

This is the concept of justification. Our justification isn't because Jesus "paid" for our sins; He did that for the whole world of sinners, but the Christian isn't a sinner. He's a new creation.

The new creation isn't a product of the death and burial of Jesus Christ, but of His resurrection! Christianity came from the resurrection. The whole world was paid for by His death, but when you believe in Jesus, you're recreated (John 3:16); you're born again and are made righteous!

Dr Walter Martin:

It should be noted that hardly ever in their discourses will such cultists discuss the essential problem of evil, the
existence of personal sin, or the necessity of the substitutionary atonement of Christ as the sole means of salvation from sin, through the agency of divine grace and the exercise of faith. In fact, they conscientiously avoid such distasteful subjects like the proverbial plague and discuss them only with great reluctance.

Dr Walter Martin:

Another confusing aspect of non-Christian cultists’ approach to semantics is the manner in which they will surprise the Christian with voluminous quotations from no less authority than the Bible, and give the appearance of agreeing with nearly every statement the Christian makes in attempting to evangelize the cultist. Such stock phrases as “We believe that way too; we agree on this point” or the more familiar, “[Mrs. Eddy, Mr. or Mrs. Fillmore, Mr. Evans, Dr. Buchman,
Joseph Smith, or Brigham l Young, (or Chris Oyakhilome)] says exactly the same thing; we are completely in agreement.” All such tactics based upon the juggling of terms usually have the effect of frustrating the average Christian, for he
is unable to put his finger on what he knows is error, and is repeatedly tantalized by seeming agreement which, as he knows, does not exist.

Joagbaje:

I don't need to prove anything to you . Jesus didn't have to prove anything . You can judge a doctrine but not a people or another man . Scripture says judge not. How much do you know enough to judge another ? If there is a. Doctrine you're not clear about ,knowing that there must be a bible reason for it why not ask for clarification, giving benefit of doubt than ,laying insult on Gods people ? . You enter deeper error thinking you're doing God a service .

Joagbaje:

We never said if a christian does something wrong it's not a sin. So I'm amazed at how you came to that. Conclusion. What we believe which I have always posted on this forum is that an umbeliever cannot commit sin . He is sin personified . It's only a christian who can commit a sin. There is sin against the brethren and sin against God. It's a Christian that can RECIEVE forgiveness . But here you give impression as though we teach people to do wrong and it' won't be a sin.

Joagbaje:

Secondly you talked about man of God caught pants down. Were you there ? These are dangerous things and very Unspiritual. Not just because he's a man of God. Even a wrong assumption of a christian is a sin. You can't go online spreading hear say. I have learn enough to keep myself from being busybody in other men's matter. If I didnt witness a wrong from a man . I should wash my heart from pollution. Even if I witness a wrong. I have to option. To pray and intercede. Or to correct if I have such authority over the person . Why should we leave the ministry of the gospel to be judging and condemning one another .

WinsomeX:

If you do not wish to prove that I am sinning by calling your church a cult, it is fine. Its a hard work to do and I understand your reluctance. But how you can conclude here that we are not to judge people but easily claim I am sinning in another post, is inconsistency bc by your own standard: judge doctrine not men.
Something on the Jesus not proving anything: It is clear that Jesus did all the miracles he did to PROVE to the Jews he was the messiah. They were SIGNS pointing to him. Our Lord spent all his life proving his veracity.
As to the judge not scripture. Look well Bro. Matthew 7:1ff teaches we should not judge as long as we are guilty of same thing.
1Cor 5, Paul calls us to judge fellow believers. 1 Thess 5, scriptures calks us to prove all things. Matthew 24: beware of false prophets. Judge and know them. Etc.
I refer you to my last post to Gombs.
No need to get all tensed up. These things are no secret anymore. And the same you that will deny owing a man half a million after you were clearly busted of a miracle scam should not be telling us what to believe or not to believe. Its obvious that lying is another trademark of CE.

Joagbaje:


Nobody is tensed up dear . You can continue with your lifestyle . If that's your understanding of Christianity. I only admonish you as s christian at least it's on record someone reached out to you . You cant say you're ignorant of truth . My hand is free. Have a greeat day.

Joagbaje:

I don't need to prove anything to you . Jesus didn't have to prove anything . You can judge a doctrine but not a people or another man . Scripture says judge not.

vooks:
Hello Pastor,
Doctrines don't grow in the forest, and nor are they propagated by dolphins; they are taught by men, and the purveyors of false doctrines are false teachers. Hell is not reserved for false doctrines but for false teachers.

So if Oyaks propagates falsehoods, we are supposed to JUDGE it. It would be very unthinking judging doctrines minus their purveyors. Recently, some four terrorists stormed a university and butchered 147 kids. According to Joagbaje, judge the doctrine, those were very innocent boys, in fact calling them terrorists is insulting. They are not even murderers, but murder of the 147 they did
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/04/africa/kenya-garissa-university-witnesses/


Let's look at how scriptures treat false teachers\prophet

Matthew 7:15 (KJV)
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves

2 Cor 11:13 (KJV)
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ

2Peter 2:1 (KJV)
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction

The point is , you can't be wary of false doctrines while completely indifferent/ignorant of their teachers

PS: Has it ever occurred to you how this 'judge not' is applied selectively to pastors and not the laity/congregation?



Cc Winsomex, Trustman,SirJohn,Gombs