Joagbaje:

I didn't make a mistake . Among numerous testimonies of great miracles . A guy I never knew came testifies he too was healed of HIV . I editors brought out a video of "while he was being prayed for , I saw slight difference in the appearance but I assumed it was due to his sickness . But just to be sure . I asked for his numbers asked him what he was wearing while being prayed for . And also sent a link to him to watch the video and he confirmed he watched the video and he was the person being prayed for . What more evidence do I need . The horse has spoken. That's enough for me. But because I wanted to post this online ,I asked for his medical report and he said he didn't collect it. And I said " pls go and collect them ,because I want to post your testimony online . He said he would get it in the week. And I assume he did that. I posted my chat with him . So if there was a mistake . It's from the guy who said he was the one in the video without watching the video.

Joagbaje:

You're more concerned about rubbishing joagbaje than finding out truth, you've been eager to go online to do your rubbish as usual . And I told you "be patient" The bottom of the Jeff matter is as important to me as well . Because if Jeff didn't get healed ,I can't phantom how on earth someone will climb the altar of God to testify a lie. What would be his gain? I'm curious to know . I'm willing to spend any amount , chatter a car get him hotel rooms and give him money for his trips if there need be to get to the bottom . But you kept pressing to go online . And also rubbishing me before the guy . You don't know how far I'm willing to go. It's not about clearing my name it's about . Asking Jeff his motives if it's true he didn't get healed. And I was cooperative with you. We even got the first medical paper from the hospital without Jeff knowledge . And planned to carry Jeff to do fresh medical test. You didn't spend a dime . But I lost interest in the matter after I saw the SMS you sent to Jeff that I wanted to use his testimony for glory or something like that. That's the one I saw only God knows what other things you did . Why getting in the way of an investigation , why launching attack at my person. Is it about the 500k? Do you know how much I'm willing to spend on the matter? I thought I was opened enough for you. Only to see the rubbish you're posting on Nairaland . Which is what you're after not the truth .

Joagbaje:

You claimed God doesn't heal again . And if anyone can present a miracle to you will travel to that place ,investigate ,talk with relatives and Neighbours and you will give 500k and Apologise in newspapers . I shared testimonies of people I prayed and got healed . You said you wanted more serious ones. I told you about a guy with leg ulcer or cancer for two years of treatment in the hospital without cure and when I prayed for him the leg healed up in one week . I mentioned also a lady with blindness who git healed almost instantly I prayed for her. You said you preferred that one. I took me effort to locate someone who gave me her number . Because it happened around 2007 or so . I called her and asked her again about her testimony . She confirmed she is still healed . And I told her I want to share her testimony online and some people may call her ,she should be free to cooperate . She only said I should not bring her to face crown . And I said it's only phone call.
I sent you the number and I was shocked you went on Nairaland claiming she was not blind. That's a big fat lie . I called the lady and she said you lied because she told you the whole testimony . You didn't travel there to as promised to find out , I posted her brother"s number ,who led her by hand to be prayed for . But you're more eager to rubbish as usual . The lady is still seeing perfectly today . 2weeks blindness healed within 15 minutes .

Joagbaje:


That's bible very scriptural ....read reference below.

Acts 19:2
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.



TRASH !!!! . No one teaches such things in ce . Speaking in tongues can't be taught . What we can say is rather to teach you on how to RECIEVE the holyspirit . Not how to speak in tongues. Christ embassy is a sound bible teaching ministry . And satan won't stop ,manipulating propangada . To gullible ears

. . .He wanted to place his hand on my head,I refused and walked out.

Even though an ignorant dude is hailing you here but You missed out on what would have helped you because laying on of hands is one of the ways you RECIEVE the holyghost .

Acts 19:6
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.



You're wrong , speaking in tongue (message) is different from praying in tongues . Message in tongues is for people , praying in tongues is to God, and God doesn't need an interpreter !

AlfaSelltzer:

Can you, WinsomeX prove Satan is the custodian of CE? I can take you on that.

Kenny4lyfe:
@WinsomeX I still maintain my stand that you're getting things the wrong way about this thread. Until the needful is done, you'll keep going round circles and will end up unable to proof anything; thus plunging this thread into suffering the same fate as the WOF thread.

My opinion though!
Take it or leave it.

Joagbaje:
You will argue your case to the last. The chat I sent to you about Jeff was one of the last . I reached him from beginning , I send message to him on Facebook , I sent to his pastor too . I sent pictures of the video before I finally sent video.

. The woman who got healed of blindness is still alive I posted her number here , I posted her brother's number. If she wasn't blind what did she tell you she got healed of. Because the women said you lied.

WinsomeX:


You promised to take me up on the issues I'm discussing but save for Gombs who has fled now, none of you have been able to take up the challenge.

Never mind. The thread is progressing just fine.

Gombs:


You're a painful liar. You said here that the thread was not open for debate, you just want to warn people, I left you to your fate, now you saying I fled?

So, suddenly you want to debate with Kenny? I feel so sorry for you.

WinsomeX:


You promised to take me up on the issues I'm discussing but save for Gombs who has fled now, none of you have been able to take up the challenge.

Never mind. The thread is progressing just fine.

WinsomeX:


So did you see "debate" in that response I made to Kenny? You took up issues with what I've been saying until you left or better still, fled.

The things I'm saying here are basically information provision. You are free to counter them if you like. What I would not get into is endless responses to one issue while derailing the thread. That's what I mean by debates.

BTW, I thought you said you left? Well, is it not Gombs?

Joagbaje:
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trustman:


I thought the issue was clear - the case of one Jeff (not many Jeffs or Jeff plus other persons) and the resultant challenge by you. 
The question now is: Did sirJohn prove you wrong on that matter? 
What the rest of us are seeing is yes, he did. 
So integrity demands that you pay him or perhaps beg for release. 

However what we see you do is refuse to own up but try to take twists and turns to evade the issue. Why bring up other issues unrelated to Jeff's case or try to 'push' the blame on him. See what you wrote:
 'I didn't make a mistake .'
'I saw slight difference in the appearance but I assumed it was due to his sickness . '
'So if there was a mistake . It's from the guy ... ...'
'Satan can set any one up.'
So, in all these what are you saying? That what you claimed was true but has now turned out otherwise was either Jeff's fault or Satan's?

It is unfortunate that many of you CE folks on this forum never want to admit when you're wrong. Maybe that stems from some wrong teaching like winsomeX is bringing up in this thread. 

The scripture says "Let what you say be simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything more than this comes from evil." 

Not focusing on Jeff's issue and trying to bring up other cases looks to me diversionary. If you were deceived to make a wrong claim own up. You're behaving like Adam who blamed his wrong action on the woman. God did not excuse him because of that. Neither should you think you should be in this case

WinsomeX:
The latest from Chris Oyakhilome

Old news!
**WinsomeX indeed has a personal vendetta against Christ Embassy Church and Pastor Chris Oyakhilome**
He's full of bitterness indeed; just as Gombs described him.

Kenny4lyfe:


Old news!
**WinsomeX indeed has a personal vendetta against Christ Embassy Church and Pastor Chris Oyakhilome**
He's full of bitterness indeed; just as Gombs described him.

WinsomeX:


At least it is old news not false news.

Report by Ebisco Blog, published today, Friday, 10th April 2015.

Remainder of the report:

That is the only kind of thing you find about a man of God when he misses the message of God or he acts beyond what God said. But a man of God settles himself in the fight against the world…like those writing those stupid things about me, that I did this and I did that.
“You don’t know who a man of God is. I don’t go in that direction. I wasn’t accused of the things you said, nor did I commit those stupid things that you said and I don’t need to go into that level in such discussions”.
He recalled that Jesus passed through similar travails and eventually overcame.
He said that although so many people were making mockery of him, he would remain steadfast and not lose focus.
“Jesus Christ was accused by many– a lot of frivolous charges. There will always be those who would like for it to be true. But you know, in spite of the accusations against Jesus, It didn’t change who he was. It didn’t change him.
“There are preachers and there are men of God. I am not a preacher; I am a man of God and I go in the way I’m asked to go. It may cause some troubles with individuals but that’s not because I have done something wrong and when it comes to Reverend Anita, what I will say to you is ‘pray for her’.
“Don’t act like those people. If you are married to a man of God, it doesn’t make you automatically mature. You can make mistakes; you can do something that is wrong. But some people expect the wife of a minister to definitely be at the level of that minister and so they may be looked upon and the expectation may be like that, but it’s a positional thing.
“If a man of God is married, it doesn’t automatically mean that the wife of a man of God is therefore a woman of God. That’s not the way it is in the Bible. That’s why you don’t really find the wives of men of God mentioned in the Bible. You never find their names”, he added.
At this point, one of the female pastors ought to know why the names of wives of the men of God were not found in the Bible.
Oyakhilome’s response was that she should ask God whenever she finds him.
“Why? You ask God when you find him. Ask God when you find him”, he exclaimed.
“So, they are little things; don’t try to make something big out of them. So when journeying, doing the things that God called us to do, Christians should not have a divorce; it shouldn’t be, but you see, that doesn’t mean a Christian may not take the step.
“They may do it but they have to make things right and we shouldn’t take one another to court. But when it happens, not that we don’t just want to go, it means someone is taking us there.
“That’s a problem, but be wise and stay focused in the word of God and don’t let those who want to feast on things like this, including Christians…
“There are Christians who like things like this; they want to make something big out of this: ‘Yeah, yeah, yeah, we said it’. You said what? Judge nothing before the time. Be wise. Glory to God.
“So we are not working in sin and living in sin and hoping that we can mix sin and righteousness together. We are the manifestation of his righteousness. We walk in that light only, and that’s the way it’s gonna be”.
In April 2014, Anita Oyakhilome filed for divorce at Central Family Court, High Holborn, London, UK, citing her husband’s “unreasonable behaviour” and inappropriate relationships with female members.

WinsomeX:


At least it is old news not false news.

Report by Ebisco Blog, published today, Friday, 10th April 2015.

Remainder of the report:

That is the only kind of thing you find about a man of God when he misses the message of God or he acts beyond what God said. But a man of God settles himself in the fight against the world…like those writing those stupid things about me, that I did this and I did that.
“You don’t know who a man of God is. I don’t go in that direction. I wasn’t accused of the things you said, nor did I commit those stupid things that you said and I don’t need to go into that level in such discussions”.
He recalled that Jesus passed through similar travails and eventually overcame.
He said that although so many people were making mockery of him, he would remain steadfast and not lose focus.
“Jesus Christ was accused by many– a lot of frivolous charges. There will always be those who would like for it to be true. But you know, in spite of the accusations against Jesus, It didn’t change who he was. It didn’t change him.
“There are preachers and there are men of God. I am not a preacher; I am a man of God and I go in the way I’m asked to go. It may cause some troubles with individuals but that’s not because I have done something wrong and when it comes to Reverend Anita, what I will say to you is ‘pray for her’.
“Don’t act like those people. If you are married to a man of God, it doesn’t make you automatically mature. You can make mistakes; you can do something that is wrong. But some people expect the wife of a minister to definitely be at the level of that minister and so they may be looked upon and the expectation may be like that, but it’s a positional thing.
“If a man of God is married, it doesn’t automatically mean that the wife of a man of God is therefore a woman of God. That’s not the way it is in the Bible. That’s why you don’t really find the wives of men of God mentioned in the Bible. You never find their names”, he added.
At this point, one of the female pastors ought to know why the names of wives of the men of God were not found in the Bible.
Oyakhilome’s response was that she should ask God whenever she finds him.
“Why? You ask God when you find him. Ask God when you find him”, he exclaimed.
“So, they are little things; don’t try to make something big out of them. So when journeying, doing the things that God called us to do, Christians should not have a divorce; it shouldn’t be, but you see, that doesn’t mean a Christian may not take the step.
“They may do it but they have to make things right and we shouldn’t take one another to court. But when it happens, not that we don’t just want to go, it means someone is taking us there.
“That’s a problem, but be wise and stay focused in the word of God and don’t let those who want to feast on things like this, including Christians…
“There are Christians who like things like this; they want to make something big out of this: ‘Yeah, yeah, yeah, we said it’. You said what? Judge nothing before the time. Be wise. Glory to God.
“So we are not working in sin and living in sin and hoping that we can mix sin and righteousness together. We are the manifestation of his righteousness. We walk in that light only, and that’s the way it’s gonna be”.
In April 2014, Anita Oyakhilome filed for divorce at Central Family Court, High Holborn, London, UK, citing her husband’s “unreasonable behaviour” and inappropriate relationships with female members.

WinsomeX:
Gombs and Kenny4life,

I honestly do not need cry babies on this thread. I need matured minds that can handle the issues I have raised in your church on this thread. And I am hereby asking you two to get an older person, a high ranking CE official to come yo this thread and discuss the ISSUES raised.

I would have loved Joagbaje attend to them but he is obviously busy. So you guys, find someone. OK? I can help you by summarizing the issues raised so far and you can attend to them.

Despite my reservations against RCCG, Living Faith and other Charismatic Churches, I have not labelled any of them a cult. But I have called Christ Embassy a cult and presented my reason. Get a matured thinker to attend to them. Gombs tried but allowed his emotions to take over his reasoning.

Calling a church a cult is a grave allegation. An allegation I stand before God and man to be judged by.

WinsomeX:
Gombs and Kenny4life,

I honestly do not need cry babies on this thread. I need matured minds that can handle the issues I have raised in your church on this thread. And I am hereby asking you two to get an older person, a high ranking CE official to come yo this thread and discuss the ISSUES raised.

I would have loved Joagbaje attend to them but he is obviously busy. So you guys, find someone. OK? I can help you by summarizing the issues raised so far and you can attend to them.

Despite my reservations against RCCG, Living Faith and other Charismatic Churches, I have not labelled any of them a cult. But I have called Christ Embassy a cult and presented my reason. Get a matured thinker to attend to them. Gombs tried but allowed his emotions to take over his reasoning.

Calling a church a cult is a grave allegation. An allegation I stand before God and man to be judged by.

fonzie2u:

You may be the PR of the church but I insist this is FALSE TEACHING!!!

A first timer comes to church, you drag him out and start asking him if can speak in tongues so no one will understand what's been said: that is false! There must be an interpreter: moreover check your post: the holy spirit 'desended' on them

I came to service to hear GOD's message: so ur Cell team should let faithfuls decide on their spirituality. You don't force the gospel on people

God has given us the spirit of discerning between what is right and wrong!!

Only an ignorant fool will fall for all this.

Gombs:


You can simply walk in to CE Ibadan, ask for Pastor Gabriel, present your matter or allegations to him, hear him, and stop making a simpleton of yourself here.

Thanks

NB: as for cry babies, Alfa did call you and some others here big babies. You don't want derailment but couldn't resist attacking Jo, now, you wish to have him here. Where were your faculties when he was here?

Kenny4lyfe:


This is just the beginning.
Now you want to address issues uh?
I thought you said "no debate"?
And no I'm not gonna do that, not now anyway. Not until the needful is done.
You just get ready for what's coming.
Meanwhile, Gombs and I are not your errand boys so shush it right there.

The word "cult" mostly used derogatorily doesn't have a derogatory meaning...
I'll hold it right there.

Chris Oyakhilome:
“I heard that some media houses – especially in Nigeria, are writing some things against me. All sorts of frivolous charges, that’s crazy.

“You have to understand something about a man of God. A man of God is not just someone who worships God or preaches God. A man of God is handpicked by God, set on course by God. If you study the scriptures, you will not find one man of God go against God, sinning against God.

“The only thing you might find will be a man of God, maybe in two different kinds of ways. Moses, for example, when he struck the rock twice, he was provoked by the anger of the people. It was not because he wanted to do something against the Lord. No man of God does something against the Lord......

WinsomeX:


And BTW Gombs, how is voting going on at your end. Sorry about the GEJ thing... it happens. [s] There comes a time when a people get tired of yokes on their necks. They then throw it away... in the church and in the nation. [/s]

Lining up for accreditation thingz.

WinsomeX:
Don't belabour the 'help" thing. There is no need for long explanation. My analysis on CE cultism is not personal.

Outside doctrine, whatever else we do should be left to our own individual conscience to determine whether it right or wrong. If it is OK with you, it is fine with me. I however will object to false teaching. Which is NY bone of contention on this thread.