seunfly:


First class in which aspect?

Is it in state or in a standard Yoruba concept.

At state level, we may have many first class king depending on the size and importance of their community in the state.

In a standard Yoruba concept, we don't have many first class king and I don't think oba of Lagos is among.



The traditional first class Yoruba kings are Orogun of Ila, Alafin of Oyo, Oni of Ife, Alake of egba and oba of bennin.

The next in hierachy are: Olubadan of Ibadan, awojale of Ijebu, Timi of Ede, owa obokun Of Ijesha, onokoyi, Osamawe of ondo etc

The third level are Soun of ogbomosho, olofa of offa, akinrun of ikinrun etc.

Some of our popular kings are made popular because of the mordern development which favour their community and they become more popular.

For instance Deji of Akure in not bigger than Osamawe of ondo but since akure in the capital and Deji is the king of Akure, his throne overshadow the king of ondo town.

Wat of olowu of owu

KIRIJI:
Isale Eko
Nibe sa ni Orisun
Adamu Orisa

OKolaba
Ologede
Eyo Oniko
Eyo Agere

Isale Eko
Awa loni won
Tiwa lon se
Bi egbe eran wa
Nibe lon de Ade

Ade Ori Oba wa
Odi inu Iga
Iga Idugaran, Iga Ile Ola

Ki Ade pe lori Rilwan Akiolu Osuolale I

Eyo Esua !! Huhuhu Hahaha

Oh my God,You've made my day!!!!!!!!!!!!

newacca:

Esu in this context is not satan. Esu is a deity in the Yoruba traditional religion, not the one described in your bible or Quran. Since those books were written in foreign language and the locals didn't find a matching name for it, and I guess cos Esu laamu himself was tricky and played pranks a lot, then he was attributed to be the devil.
Esu laalu, ogiri oko, ebora Tonje latoopa. Esu onile kogu kogun ona orun. Dudu lapakan, pupa lapakan. Esu mase mi oo. mase enikankan wa OOO. Ase!

Baba Ooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Aboye Bosise Ooooooooooooooooooo


Esu Mase Mi Ooo, Omo Elo Mi Ni O Se.


Esu is a confirm Baba Werey. Shege Danborouba.

MrPresident1:


Oyo was the empire behemoth that subsumed all the other peoples.

The heart of the Oyo empire in Fulani hands would have established them as suzerain over 'Yorubaland'.

Which Fulani are you talking about You keep banging on about Fulani.Fulani from where exactly. There was no Fulani incursion. There was an Ilorin incursion(Marching south from Ilorin) and they were not Fulani they were mostly Oyo renegades with mercenary soldiers who were Hausa,Nupe,Fulanis etc that had lived in Oyo territory for ever.This was during the slave trade and Oyo was very cosmopolitan before the schism many were freed slaves and what they had in common was Islam they were largely Oyos. To the North of Ilorin are Gwari and Nupe Kingdoms so I must ask again where these "Fulanis" are coming from? This is a commonly held misconception but even to this day how many Fulanis are in Nigeria? Ilorin was not about Fulani suzerainty neither is it the case even in Hausalan where you have so called Fulani Emirs. I would say how is that different from Oduduwa and his sons were they Yoruba? Yes they established a dynasty but did they change the DNA? Have Fulani changed the DNA in Kano? If you are looking for Fulani ruling Fulani look at the Lamido Adamawa and guess what they now speak Hausa

ademusiwa7:
[size=18pt]there is no title call Eleko of Eko.. I cant laugh when I read this.. There is no such title call eleko of Eko.. you people are funny. The Oba of lagos(duke of Lagos) is just a oba(duke) like the over 500 obas(duke) we have in cities of the Independent country of the kingdom of Western nigeria.

Instead of civilian performing the function. My family had Obas perform the function, including ambassadorial function and others, this is the work of Obas(duke). They are not emperor or kings.. They are dukes of cities.. all over Independent country of the kingdom of Western nigeria.


We have Oba of abeokuta(now call Alake) Duke of Abeokuta
Oba of Ijebu ( now call awujale)Duke of Ijebu
Oba of Benin ( who did not change his name) Duke of Benin
Oba of Oyo ( who is now call alafin of Oyo) duke of Oyo
Oba of Okuku, duke of okuku
Oba of Iragbiji, duke of iragbiji
Oba of Inisa, duke of inisa
Oba of Eko-Ende, duke of eko ende
Oba of Oyan, duke of oyan
Oba of Oke Irun, duke of oke irun
Oba of Erin Osun duke of erin osun etc
we have several obas in towns , there are more than 1000 obas

it is the oba of a town, Which meand Duke of a town.. Dont call people eleko of eko. Call them Oba of Inisa, Oba of Iragbiji , Oba of owo, Oba of ore, Oba of Oyo, Oba of Offa..Oba of abeokuta, Oba of Ijebu ode, etc, this is the correct title


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Here we go again.

Who invited Uncle Musiwa nah?

We've noticed you Sir.

LordCenturion:



Wat of olowu of owu

That is why I put etc at the end.

But I believe olowu of owu belongs to the level of awujale.

SirShymexx:


Lol.

Well, I thought they made him a first class king due to the status of Lagos, and cos he is the most popular king in Lagos. Hence I asked.

But Olubadan can Never be a first class - that is a slap on Yoruba culture.

If I hear?!!! What do you know? Stingy Ijebu sef dey talk!

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Billyonaire:


You sound pained. Get over it, we are talking. Its better to jaw-jaw than to war-war. Take it easy, so we can address this issue as 21st humans and not some neanderthals. Our constitution is borrowed from UK/US...Am I correct ? And in US, Category EB-5 Visa requirement is to invest from $500K in the US economy or hire at least 10 Americans...I do not expect you to know this but I do respect if you know.

Now, a dirty swampy Lagos, is better off than US/UK and if I have invested that amount of money and hired over that number of Nigerians resident in Lagos I can not contest for office of Governor ? Nigga grow up! Obama and Schwarzenegger comes to mind when I read from some of you.

In my part of Lagos, most developers are NOT yorubas, they erect these marvels here and there, and rent out to everyone including the Yorubas. You should be happy if anyone is even wasting his time to contest election and clean up the mess called Lagos. There are countries lobbying some of us to bring in Foreign Direct Investment, yet one silly skirt wearing local champion somewhere will stand up and vomit ...venomous statements because he is called Oba. That's absolute nonsense and that's the nonsense that's making Lagos backwards than Johannesburg.

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omonnakoda:
No he is ruler of Oyo Land be corrected his suzerainty is not over Egba or Ijebu or Ekiti or Lagos. What makes him Paramount ruler of Yoruba.

What do you mean by Fulani concern with Oyo what are you referring to?

Guy be humble enough to learn from that man you quoted.
Thats some true history lessons there.
The Alaafin is the paramount ruler of yoruba land... Egba.. ijebu ijesha Ekiti etc etc.
As for ur question... d answer is long ane im too lazy to type.
Im sure the guy u quoted will answer you.

Rilwayne001:
The eleko of eko is not a ceremonial oba, contrary to what some ignoramus were spreading aroun.

Proudly yoruba

please is it oba of Benin ?

Hanibal:
Guy be humble enough to learn from that man you quoted.
Thats some true history lessons there.
The Alaafin is the paramount ruler of yoruba land... Egba.. ijebu ijesha Ekiti etc etc.
As for ur question... d answer is long ane im too lazy to type.
Im sure the guy u quoted will answer you.

The Alaafin was the paramount ruler of Yoruba land, but, you might want to remove the Ijebus from that list, they were not really part of Yorubaland as such, they were more concerned about Lagos and the Seas than the hinterland, the hinterland Yorubas were also more concerned about the North than the Seas, the Ijebus really guarded the sea jealously.

Billyonaire:


Oh no, you get me figured out wrongly. I am a Jonathanian. I only embraced PDP because of Jonathan and Jonathan alone. Without Jonathan, PDP is just another APC. We must not forget that APC as it is constituted is a toxic blend of ex-PDP+Tinubu&Buhari (A lethal concoction).

Oba is a Father of all Lagosians, and lost our respect when he chose to support one son against the other. Let's not forget that we are a Democracy, and NOT a Monarchy. The Oba is NOT a recognized office in the constitution. Do not also forget that as long as we are using the 1999 constitution (as ammended); any Nigerian is a citizen of any state he/she chooses to live in and has right to contest for office there as far as he performs his/her constitutional responsibility of paying taxes.

I am more Lagosian than most of you who have not even hired a single Nigerian, not even a fellow Yoruba person but are quick to say..."Lagos is yoruba land". Can you afford a plot of land in this Lagos ? If you can, then you have a stake, and you are a Lagosian with full rights of Lagosian and Nigerian, fullstop.

abuse the Oba as much as you like,he brought it to himself, but in yoruba land you are ARA EKO not OMO EKO.

hercules07:


There is no reason to undermine Ife, this is history. I do not care a hoot for Ife, as I have more affinity for the Ijeshas and Oshogbo peeps than Ife. We recognise Ife as the spiritual home but they have not born the Ooni that will deny the Alaafin his dues, the Modakekes were always deployed .

Man you got jokes

As aptly put by Oonirisa, Alaafin's empire died a long time ago.

Quickly, I am sure you did not know Ife is one of the few towns still occupying its original site for centuries?

You also apparently did not know Ife and Ijesa have a strong bond and they have often rooted for Ife and vice versa - even Ijebu.

OrlandoOwoh:

I doubt the Orangun of Ila is a first class king and highly respected. Upto last year I was still seeing him walking on the campus of OAU, Ile-Ife alone.

That is the problem some of the kings that their domain Is not strategically located is facing, you will wonder why orangun of Ila may not be known but ataoja of osogbo is known.

In hierachy Timi of Ede and oragun of ila are superior to ataoja of Oshogbo but modern days development has changed everything.

M16:


Correct. 3 gbosa for you. Let's give this ati oun riwa's some history lesson. Niger Delta Lagosian, e ma gbami. Abeg swim go your creek for otueke. Every body wan claim Lagos. I am happy the Oba told it as it is. You guys dont know kabiyesi. While in the Police force, he will lock himself in his office and spray tear gas and sit in it.

Even his fellow police officers then used to fear him

That is so funny, I learnt he was tough when he was in Police Force.


I advise that everyone ignores that Baba Olowo aka Billyonaire. He's going to derail this beautiful thread.

Lobatan.

boudinage:
When did the oba of benin become a yoruba king?

help me ask them ooo

MsNas:

If I hear?!!! What do you know? Stingy Ijebu sef dey talk!

Lmao @ stingy Ijebu. Without them, the Egbas would still be in Ibadan as the owners - not where they are now. And you'd probably be from one of those hinterland Yoruba subgroups loool.

Do you know a quarter of Ibadan folks are Ijebu? And the current Olubadan of Ibadan is also Ijebu? Looool.

No beef here - just posting facts and kicking knowledge so other folks can learn from my scholarship about Yoruba history. Don't get emotional.

Anyway, Ijebu means too much money, the money maker and unconquered Yoruba territory that never paid taxes to any kingdom. Not stingy.

Bring ya ar.se here, let me smack it lool.

omonnakoda:
How do you know?

i am a bini man and i know my history

Hanibal:
Guy be humble enough to learn from that man you quoted.
Thats some true history lessons there.
The Alaafin is the paramount ruler of yoruba land... Egba.. ijebu ijesha Ekiti etc etc.
As for ur question... d answer is long ane im too lazy to type.
Im sure the guy u quoted will answer you.

ALAFIN NEVER RULED IN IJEBU LAND.HE ONLY RULED THE OYOS.THE OYOS ARE THE PRESENT DAY ISEYIN,IBADAN,ILORIN,SOME EGBAS,SOME OYO ELEMENT IN OSUN STAE AND KETU IN BENIN REPUBLIC.

hercules07:


The Alaafin was the paramount ruler of Yoruba land, but, you might want to remove the Ijebus from that list, they were not really part of Yorubaland as such, they were more concerned about Lagos and the Seas than the hinterland, the hinterland Yorubas were also more concerned about the North than the Seas, the Ijebus really guarded the sea jealously.

Ijebu guarded seas?
The awujale must have been Asari Dokubo pf that period LOL!

The Ijebu played a pivotal role in Yoruba history; the politics, economics snd social aspects, all of it.

Alaafin ruled many Yoruba towns exclusive of some - Ife, Ijebu, the whole of Ijesha land (which spread to Ekiti).

KIRIJI:
Its the same. He is also refered to as Olowo Eko.

Btw, here is the Ijebu King, Awujale Ademuyewo Afidipote with the Governor of the Lagos Crown Colony, Sir Gilbert Thomas Carter (?) in 1852 at Epe, the Naval Base of the Ijebu Kingdom in present day Lagos state

These kings dem get names ooo...hmmm
1. Esugbayi
2. Afidipote

hercules07:


The ife people do not know that Ibadans used to send the Modakekes to chase them to the bush, it has happened like three times in the past. We can not lower ourselves to dealing with the Ifes directly, in Yorubaland, the Ijebus were our equals, the Alaafin the paramount ruler, ask yourself why the Fulanis were more concerned about Oyo than Ife, heck, it was the Ibadans that stopped them in Oshogbo and though the Baales of Ibadan were headstrong, they recognised the sovereignty of the Alaafin, even the British signed treaties with the Alaafin not the Ooni, Ife might be spiritual home but, where the King is, so is his palace, the Alaafin is the paramount ruler of Yoruba land, I will even have the Awujale before the Ooni.

Sir, I don't like this kind of post. Chase who to the bush? Layelaye.

9jacrip:


Ijebu guarded seas?
The awujale must have been Asari Dokubo pf that period LOL!

The Ijebu played a pivotal role in Yoruba history; the politics, economics snd social aspects, all of it.

Alaafin ruled many Yoruba towns exclusive of some - Ife, Ijebu, the whole of Ijesha land.

WELL SAID MY BROTHER.

Hanibal:
Guy be humble enough to learn from that man you quoted.
Thats some true history lessons there.
The Alaafin is the paramount ruler of yoruba land... Egba.. ijebu ijesha Ekiti etc etc.
As for ur question... d answer is long ane im too lazy to type.
Im sure the guy u quoted will answer you.

I am here to learn the way I do so i b asking questions you may have a different approach. What do you mean by be humble ? Is this a church or mosque where we are learning the WORD OF GOD. You say Alaafin is paramount ruler of Yorubaland. On what do you base this? You sound like a child to me with the way you present yourself.Probably my son's age. I don't think you have anything to say to me so please go away

SirShymexx:


Lol.

Who is actually from Ibadan? The Egbas used to own it, but they got kicked out by Ijebus and Ife. So, Ibadan has no real indigenes - it is a Yoruba commonwealth city, with all Yoruba subgroups.

And the King isn't a proper Yoruba king.

Stop gassing yourself looool.

Lol.... so Ibadan is a no mans land. Damn you talking like an igbo

enomakos:
i am a bini man and i know my history

How do you know was the question. That is simple enough?

Ekaka1:

These kings dem get names ooo...hmmm
1. Esugbayi
2. Afidipote

. The names are too funny

hercules07:


The ife people do not know that Ibadans used to send the Modakekes to chase them to the bush, it has happened like three times in the past. We can not lower ourselves to dealing with the Ifes directly, in Yorubaland, the Ijebus were our equals, the Alaafin the paramount ruler, ask yourself why the Fulanis were more concerned about Oyo than Ife, heck, it was the Ibadans that stopped them in Oshogbo and though the Baales of Ibadan were headstrong, they recognised the sovereignty of the Alaafin, even the British signed treaties with the Alaafin not the Ooni, Ife might be spiritual home but, where the King is, so is his palace, the Alaafin is the paramount ruler of Yoruba land, I will even have the Awujale before the Ooni.

Loool.

Yoruba folks on these sides always disrespect the supreme Ijebu crown on Awujale's head. I dunno why but it is cos most of them don't know anything about Yoruba history. Imagine folks grouping Awujale with all these modern kings who got their crowns from Ooni in the 19th century - bwaahahahaha. Conquered territories. What insolence!


Anyway, I rate both Alaafin and Ooni, and those are the only two Yoruba king I'd put over Awujale. Oyo: due to its size and the greatness it achieved. And Ife as the home of all.

You lot need to sheathe ya swords - one love and one big Yoruba. One nation!

omonnakoda:
Which Fulani are you talking about You keep banging on about Fulani.Fulani from where exactly. There was no Fulani incursion. There was an Ilorin incursion(Marching south from Ilorin) and they were not Fulani they were mostly Oyo renegades with mercenary soldiers who were Hausa,Nupe,Fulanis etc that had lived in Oyo territory for ever.This was during the slave trade and Oyo was very cosmopolitan before the schism many were freed slaves and what they had in common was Islam they were largely Oyos. To the North of Ilorin are Gwari and Nupe Kingdoms so I must ask again where these "Fulanis" are coming from? This is a commonly held misconception but even to this day how many Fulanis are in Nigeria? Ilorin was not about Fulani suzerainty neither is it the case even in Hausalan where you have so called Fulani Emirs. I would say how is that different from Oduduwa and his sons were they Yoruba? Yes they established a dynasty but did they change the DNA? Have Fulani changed the DNA in Kano? If you are looking for Fulani ruling Fulani look at the Lamido Adamawa and guess what they now speak Hausa

The Fulani horse was destroyed at Osogbo by the Ibadan army who were loyal to the throne of Oyo. In this war, many prominent Ilorins were captured, they were fighting under the banner of Islam and fully supported equipped and encouraged by the Fulanis. Fulanis being very crafty and full of subterfuge would have obtained the kingdom easily if the renegades had been successful.

And just as Abdusalami invited the flag from Gwandu, the new conquerors would have invited the flag from Sokoto directly.

SirShymexx:


Lmao @ stingy Ijebu. Without them, the Egbas would still be in Ibadan as the owners - not where they are now. And you'd probably be from one of those hinterland Yoruba subgroups loool.

Do you know a quarter of Ibadan folks are Ijebu? And the current Olubadan of Ibadan is also Ijebu? Looool.

No beef here - just posting facts and kicking knowledge so other folks can learn from my scholarship about Yoruba history. Don't get emotional.

Anyway, Ijebu means too much money, the money maker and unconquered Yoruba territory that never paid taxes to any kingdom. Not stingy.

Bring ya ar.se here, let me smack it lool.

YOU ARE A BUNDLE OF KNOWLEDGE.PLS MY NUMBER IS 08023103248 .YOU CAN SEND ME YOUR NUMBER.WOULD GLAD TO DISCUSS WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU

DollyParton1:


Lol.... so Ibadan is a no mans land. Damn you talking like an igbo

Nah, it is for all Yorubas.

25% Ijebu, 25% Egba, 25% Oyo and other Yorubas make up the rest.

That is the story of Ibadan - they can't rewrite history.

somegirl1:


What is your history?
No oduduwa fairytales please.

Jealousy....... ...where is ur own oduduwa fairy tale...anyway I don't want to spoil this thread....