This thread need to be archived and shown to basstards like agbaje why we treasure our culture and history with all our heart.

SirShymexx:


Lol.

Whopped ya ar.ses, man. But you did win some market shouting matches with Remos though. You lot are lucky you never had to go to war with a combined Ijebu forces - we were too busy making money to be fighting anyone lool.

But we did fight the Brits though - Anglo/Ijebu war and lost somewhere around Epe.

Ijebu did not have an army .They used mainly mercenaries . These were Hausa,Nupe Kemberi and slaves

KIRIJI:
Its the same. He is also refered to as Olowo Eko.

Btw, here is the Ijebu King, Awujale Ademuyewo Afidipote with the Governor of the Lagos Crown Colony, Sir Gilbert Thomas Carter (?) in 1852 at Epe, the Naval Base of the Ijebu Kingdom in present day Lagos state

Chief did you mean to write 1892. Sir Gilbert Carter was only 4 years old in 1852. This was probably 1892 during the Ijebu expedition of 1892.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Thomas_Carter

Yes..... so??... yeye topic

seunfly:

Oboy!!!!! That name go fear you ooooo, you will know he is real traditional man. Esugbayi = Adoration to Satan or Satan has respect.

[size=18pt]Èsúgbàyí[/size] as in "The Devil Accepted this"!

Your Yoruba is "suspect"!
Abi you be Yiibo?

See Swagger for Yoruba land .....since time of Jesus!


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[size=18pt]Èsúgbàyí[/size] as in "The Devil Accepted this"!

Your Yoruba is "suspect"!
Abi you be Yiibo?

See Swagger for Yoruba land .....since time of Jesus!


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Ni igbati KO si amin ni ori re, bawo ni o sent fe tumon si ibeyen.

KIRIJI:
Its the same. He is also refered to as Olowo Eko.

Btw, here is the Ijebu King, Awujale Ademuyewo Afidipote with the Governor of the Lagos Crown Colony, Sir Gilbert Thomas Carter (?) in 1852 at Epe, the Naval Base of the Ijebu Kingdom in present day Lagos state

Please, always pronounce the name of our Monarchs IN FULL!


Awujale Ademuyewo [size=18pt]Afìdípòtèmólè.[/size]... (The one who uses his "backside" to dismantle enmity!)


#Sai Ijebu!
Even "Onyebeke" sef dey bow!




But hey, dont we have pictures of Igbos who were "shon-of-d-shoil" living in Lagos or Ijebu, .... in those days!

Sorry, l think l am getting nostalgic for nothing.


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seunfly:


Ni igbati KO si amin ni ori re, bawo ni o sent fe tumon si ibeyen.

Cheesux Christ!

Eleyi le'gan o!


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Cheesux Christ!

Eleyi le'gan o!


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The thing no want make I type in Yoruba now, watin I go do.
Autocorrect things.

Interesting history lesson

Mynd44:

I did not say there are only 5 but the last I heard was there are 5..there might be more though

I know the Alaafin, Olubadan, Ooni are among.

Perhaps the Deji of Akure and Soun of Ogbomosho (not sure of the Soun though)

Please don't distort Yoruba history we have many first Class Oba in yoruba land also, we have ancient Oba ruling the ancient cities.

Namely Alaafin of Oyo
Okere of Shaki
Oni of Ife
Owa of Idanreland
Owa Obokun of Ijesha
Ataoja of Osho
Osemawe
Olowo of owo
Deji of Akure
Olugbon of Igbon Ile
Aresa of Iresa Apa
Soun of Ogbomosho
And many more.

omonnakoda:
I am here to learn the way I do so i b asking questions you may have a different approach. What do you mean by be humble ? Is this a church or mosque where we are learning the WORD OF GOD. You say Alaafin is paramount ruler of Yorubaland. On what do you base this? You sound like a child to me with the way you present yourself.Probably my son's age. I don't think you have anything to say to me so please go away

Lmao...
Well said grand pa... If you say I should go away
I have gone away.

hercules07:


The Alaafin was the paramount ruler of Yoruba land, but, you might want to remove the Ijebus from that list, they were not really part of Yorubaland as such, they were more concerned about Lagos and the Seas than the hinterland, the hinterland Yorubas were also more concerned about the North than the Seas, the Ijebus really guarded the sea jealously.

Yea... the Ijebus have always been rebels, never submitted to the Alaafin

SirShymexx:


Too bad.

I love what Ife represents though. That rich history is just too deep.

Hopefully, in future, folks will start excavating the place to unleash the great treasures hidden under the city. That is what I'm actually interested in.

Ife also gave Yorubas those unique artworks - greatness right there.

Apt.
Like you, I also want more discoveries to be made in that town. There is much more than what is recorded in the books.

Univeristies keep churning our historians amd none is grabbing the opportunity to break grounds in Ife history - myself inclusive

We HV got history. Tell d dim wits that Lagos belong to some people

manck2:


where do you people get all this bullshiit from.. alafin was not the paramont rule of yorubaland. neither was ijebu, You people look like illiterate people.. What do they teach you people in school nowadays.

Dont you have parent.

You're letting your emotions get the best of you.

Alafin was not the paramound ruler of the entire Yoruba land, there were lands he did not exert his military influence upon.

Do you not have elders in your home, if yes, query them on this fact.

omonnakoda:
Ijebu did not have an army .They used mainly mercenaries . These were Hausa,Nupe Kemberi and slaves

Lie!

Ijebu had its army.

I suppose the Ijebu mercenaries came to aid the Ife during the Owu war that broke out at Apomu?

The Ijebu mounted mercenaries around its walls to defend it from outsiders?

The Ijebu used mercenaries to sustain their monopoly over the coastal - hinterland trade route?

Funny contributions all over the place.

zimoni:


We are debating here not arguing. That's unnecessary Sir.

Thanks.

Okay sorry, the current occupant just gets my goat everytime.

omonnakoda:
like Boko Haram Flags?Boko Haram recently pledged allegiance to ISIS so Nigeria is now part of ISIS? you can interpret it how you like. With Regard to dipping Quran in the sea it is already in the sea. Lagos State has the greatest muslim population in Yoruba land outside Kwara. Alaafin/Oduduwa was not indigenous to Yoruba land and so would be no different to a Fulani.

Hoisting a flag over a territory is declaration of sovereignty over that territory. Boko haram is no different, and they even gave their territory a new name did they not? Darul-something. Unlike what Fulani sovereignty would have meant over 'Yorubaland' had 'Yorubaland' been captured through warfare, Lagos people have actually become muslims willingly without having to lose their dignity or being subjected to the indignities of being ruled over by later day conquerors.

Oduduwa is not indigenous to the land space called South western Nigeria or 'Yorubaland', Oduduwa came from the East, and the fact of his/appearance is well documented, Oduduwa spread civilisation to 'Yorubaland' through conquest and assimilation of the aboriginal indigenous people, and his sons/progenies are their ruling kings till today, this is why their subjects claim to be children of Oduduwa. Children by association. We are all Omo Odua.

Do you know the ramification of this 'becoming children by association'?

Do conquered Hausas claim to be Fulani? are they allowed such priviledges?

AreaFada2:
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That was the original title of the early Benin-origin rulers of Eko beginning with Ashipa/Asipa/Esikpa. During Akintoye & Kosoko time too.

Eleko wasn't considered the rank of an Oba as Alafin or Ooni for example under Benin influence until Dosunmu (called Docemo in British documents) signed over Lagos to the British.

Even in the 1922 Lagos crisis period, it was still mostly Eleko. Kosoko hated the British imperialist ambitions just like his kin, the Oba of Benin despised the British. It was more like a duke then. The Oba title was initially an elevation in name to be at par with other first class Obas.

Of course nobody would dispute the first class status of Lagos monarchy today and rightly so.

I know ethnic jingoists will soon descend claiming Oba of Lagos was first son of Ododuwa .

Luckily HRH Oba Oyekan was honest enough about the origin of Lagos monarchy when he was alive. His son was my classmate.

Oba had been in use since Ologunkutere.
The blade, the staff and the crown was used first by Gabaro. They were brought from Bini as instrument of office for the new throne.

In 1854 when Beecroft demanded Kosoko sign a treaty of friendship and trade partnership, which would see the end of slave trade and the beginning of new commerce, Kosoko declared I have no authority to do so, Im still waiting for my staff of office to arrive from Bini.

Meaning: King's staff is passed on only through death. Since Akintoye was overthrown and had not died his staff and crown were still in his posession in exile. No staff or crown for Kosoko to go through the coronation rituals and his request for replacement had not arrived at the time Beecroft requested partnership.

Needless to say, and as you correctly pointed out, it wont have mattered.....Kosoko in Lagos and Oba Adolo in Bini had no sympathy for the British in fact looked down on them, preferring instead to trade with Portuguese who to them was a higher race than British and peers with the Coastal Kingdoms. Oba of Bini, Oba of Lagos both had diplomatic relations with Portugal.

Beecroft indeed returned after the staff had arrived and he had been coronated to offer the ealier proposal for partnership, and at which point Kosoko told him he desired no friendship with Britain.

So the title of Oba had been in use long before Britain had annexed the land.

SirShymexx:


Lol.

Well, I thought they made him a first class king due to the status of Lagos, and cos he is the most popular king in Lagos. Hence I asked.

But Olubadan can Never be a first class - that is a slap on Yoruba culture.

Been a first class king is not by the size and civilisation of ur territory but by the historical and ancestorial relivant of ur domain. The alafin of Oyo, oni of ife,oba of benin and the rest classified as first class king govern over territory believed to be the actual origin of Yoruba race and they have been having crowned kings right from the formation of the tribe itself long before the advent of the new cities like Ibadan and Lagos as we know it. I hope I have put a bit light to ur query.

MrPresident1:


Hoisting a flag over a territory is declaration of sovereignty over that territory. Boko haram is no different, and they even gave their territory a new name did they not? Darul-something. Unlike what Fulani sovereignty would have meant over 'Yorubaland' had 'Yorubaland' been captured through warfare, Lagos people have actually become muslims willingly without having to lose their dignity or being subjected to the indignities of being ruled over by later day conquerors.

Oduduwa is not indigenous to the land space called South western Nigeria or 'Yorubaland', Oduduwa came from the East, and the fact of his/appearance is well documented, Oduduwa spread civilisation to 'Yorubaland' through conquest and assimilation of the aboriginal indigenous people, and his sons/progenies are their ruling kings till today, this is why their subjects claim to be children of Oduduwa. Children by association. We are all Omo Odua.

Do you know the ramification of this 'becoming children by association'?

Do conquered Hausas claim to be Fulani? are they allowed such priviledges?

What is the point of this last offering what does this add up to. That Emirs are of Fulani descent means Fulani rule? What is the Origin of the queen of England? You produce an emotional motley of facts but what is the point of it all? whether in China (Mongol dynasty) England or in Yorubaland or hausaland and arguably Benin and many other cases where there have been kings kings have tended to come from outside, Yes the ruling families in Hausaland are of Fulani DESCENT but Conquered Hausas?No!! Did Fulani invade Hausas ? NO Hausas were never conquered by anyone so stop that. Emirs are of Fulani origin but they are now HAUSA as much as the descendant of ODUDUWA who are Obas are Yoruba no
The Yuan dynasty was established in China by Mongol nomads and there are countless examples of this .Are we to say the Mongols ruled China.No They established a dynasty like the Fulani but they were absirbed into China and enriched China
The Manchu Dynasty was also foreign so I suggest you go and study history of dynasties and how they come about
I asked you if Nigeria is now part of ISIS and you did not answer

guy1234:
Please guys, where and how can someone lay hands on a very comprehensive and detailed literature on Yoruba history?

Go to cms bookshop on broad street,lagos island for a copy of the book 'History of the yorubas' by Revd Samuel Johnson

Billyonaire:


Oh no, you get me figured out wrongly. I am a Jonathanian. I only embraced PDP because of Jonathan and Jonathan alone. Without Jonathan, PDP is just another APC. We must not forget that APC as it is constituted is a toxic blend of ex-PDP+Tinubu&Buhari (A lethal concoction).

Oba is a Father of all Lagosians, and lost our respect when he chose to support one son against the other. Let's not forget that we are a Democracy, and NOT a Monarchy. The Oba is NOT a recognized office in the constitution. Do not also forget that as long as we are using the 1999 constitution (as ammended); any Nigerian is a citizen of any state he/she chooses to live in and has right to contest for office there as far as he performs his/her constitutional responsibility of paying taxes.

I am more Lagosian than most of you who have not even hired a single Nigerian, not even a fellow Yoruba person but are quick to say..."Lagos is yoruba land". Can you afford a plot of land in this Lagos ? If you can, then you have a stake, and you are a Lagosian with full rights of Lagosian and Nigerian, fullstop.

firstly U said that the Oba is a father to all lagosians and lost his deserved respect because he chose to support one son at the expense of the other. Good! Have you asked the other son what he did? A son who promised to elevate strangers above his father and U expect the father to honour him. That is not possible.
2ndly, U said some people claimed to be lagosians when they can't even afford to buy lands in lagos and hire lagosians. U seems to be saying U are more lagosian because U have a land in lagos and also hire some yorubas. My question is, when did owning lands in a country/state make one a citizen/aborigine of that country/state? It is more like saying because U av lands and hired workers in britain automatically makes u a british.
When U bring up the vote issue, it gives credence to the fact that U are merely angry about the election saga which is not the discussion here. Anyone can vote and be voted for anywhere in Nigeria but that doesn't make one a man of the land. For example, an hausa can aspire for governorship in lagos but only after meeting the minimum requirement to be considered a lagosian. The law states what makes one a lagosian. But what we failed to realize is that before the law that stipulates when one can be classified as a lagosians, there have been yorubas who own that land. U talk of constitutions yet some regions continue to play ethnic politics and even want to bring it to lagos and U expect the oba of lagos to be quiet.
Let's just stick with what this thread is all about and stop soliloquizing because someone lose an election.

RickRichards:
Classy.

This one wont threaten to throw people into the lagoon.

Mynd44:

I did not say there are only 5 but the last I heard was there are 5..there might be more though

I know the Alaafin, Olubadan, Ooni are among.

Perhaps the Deji of Akure and Soun of Ogbomosho (not sure of the Soun though)

now you are very wrong,olubadan isn't there if you actually meant the real epic first class,and deji of akure can never be there too,alaafin of oyo,ooni of ife,orangun of ila that I know but towards nigeria independent alaafin of oyo ,ooni of ife ,awujale of ijebu,osemawe of ondo,alake of egbaland(abeokuta) and oba of benin were the only one who are presented with a royal seal staff.

omonnakoda:
What is the point of this last offering what does this add up to. That Emirs are of Fulani descent means Fulani rule? What is the Origin of the queen of England? You produce an emotional motley of facts but what is the point of it all? whether in China (Mongol dynasty) England or in Yorubaland or hausaland and arguably Benin and many other cases where there have been kings kings have tended to come from outside, Yes the ruling families in Hausaland are of Fulani DESCENT but Conquered Hausas?No!! Did Fulani invade Hausas ? NO Hausas were never conquered by anyone so stop that. Emirs are of Fulani origin but they are now HAUSA as much as the descendant of ODUDUWA who are Obas are Yoruba no
The Yuan dynasty was established in China by Mongol nomads and there are countless examples of this .Are we to say the Mongols ruled China.No They established a dynasty like the Fulani but they were absirbed into China and enriched China
The Manchu Dynasty was also foreign so I suggest you go and study history of dynasties and how they come about
I asked you if Nigeria is now part of ISIS and you did not answer

The emirs rule! and stop being simplistic. You present a disingenuous babble of disjointed arguments to justify a standpoint that conquerors do not rule over their 'conquerees' and dare to accuse me of presenting an 'emotional motley of facts'? The Fulani do not rule? The Fulani did not invade Hausa land even if clandestinely under the guise of Islam? Hausas were never conquered? Just like the aboriginal 'Yoruba' tribes were not subjugated? This is terrible argument, and funny at the same time.

For your information, and get it clear, the Fulani are not Hausa, and vice versa. Fullstop. They may have integrated but the lines are not blurred, they are as clear as daylight. Have the Fulani enriched the Hausa as the Yuan dynasty enriched China? In other words the Fulani met a primitive Hausa people without a flourishing culture?

Oduduwa brought civilisation to 'Yorubaland'. The descendants of Oduduwa are actually the YORUBA so you can specify your own stock and stop hiding under this banner.

Boko Haram territory were formerly ISIS territory until Nigerian forces captured them back. That is as simple as it is. Territory belongs to the conquerors. Or are those places recaptured not Nigerian territory again?

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Please, always pronounce the name of our Monarchs IN FULL!


Awujale Ademuyewo [size=18pt]Afìdípòtèmólè.[/size]... (The one who uses his "backside" to dismantle enmity!)


#Sai Ijebu!
Even "Onyebeke" sef dey bow!




But hey, dont we have pictures of Igbos who were "shon-of-d-shoil" living in Lagos or Ijebu, .... in those days!

Sorry, l think l am getting nostalgic for nothing.


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See the illiterate crayon-loving monkey that claimed to have a son in Johns Hopkins. Lol. You want to spoil the thread for your brothers. Pls be my guest. This is the Headmaster king of Ogbonmoso. lol

KIRIJI:
Isale Eko
Nibe sa ni Orisun
Adamu Orisa

OKolaba
Ologede
Eyo Oniko
Eyo Agere

Isale Eko
Awa loni won
Tiwa lon se
Bi egbe eran wa
Nibe lon de Ade

Ade Ori Oba wa
Odi inu Iga
Iga Idugaran, Iga Ile Ola

Ki Ade pe lori Rilwan Akiolu Osuolale I

Eyo Esua !! Huhuhu Hahaha

Eyo Esua! !!.

netmillionaires:

in as much as I understand ur point, but what do we say about the Queen of England. The english man came to destroy our monarchy system of government yet still recognise their queen.

As far as this conversation goes, the Queen of England and how she is finacially supported by the Brits is irrelevant. I do know that governors or the prime minister does not simply take money from state budget and give it to trhe Queen, as the Governors and Presidents of Nigeria do.

Besides, the Queen is already a mulltibillionaire who does not need any hand outs.

omonnakoda:
There is no such thing as Yorubaland.Maybe people need to go back and restudy.Note I did not say reread so called Yoruba history .One of the major objectors to the formation of Egbe Omo Oduduwa did so on the grounds that,in his belief, Not everyone is Omo Oduduwa.
We need to be clear about what is an Oyo narrative and then to understand that there are alternatives less ubiquitous but equally valid.Nigeria makes it necessary for us to identify as Yoruba but to say we are Yoruba has about as much validity as trying to unite all Arabs in one nation.
Oduduwa was probably Edo or even Kanuri and was able through his sons to establish a dynasty but it was not all encompassing

Oduduwa is from Edo. yorubas were named by the northerners. The word yoruba was a derogatory name used by northerners to refer to yorubas in old kwara/northern yorubaland, a corruption of "bayerabe'. Unlike Igbo which is original given to Igbo by themselves. It explains why you hear Igbo name their kids Igbokwe, Igboanugo, Igbogadi, Igbonacho but names like Oluyoruba, Adeyoruba do not exist.