SailorXY:
what do y'all make of Ander Herrera's performance in the holding role?

apart from positional awareness & the lack of long passes from deep, he did very well in my opinion. he got busy but not having him next to mata ruined the chemistry in the final third. rooney failed in herrera's previous role - most of rooney's passes were sideways & the passes didn't hurt chelsea.

Had hazard scored that sitter......smh

coogar:


apart from positional awareness & the lack of long passes from deep, he did very well in my opinion. he got busy but not having him next to mata ruined the chemistry in the final third. rooney failed in herrera's previous role - most of rooney's passes were sideways & the passes didn't hurt chelsea.

I don't even know how the two natural holding midfielders can get injured together for such a crucial fixture. the chemistry on both flanks could have been preserved @ all cost but LvG's arm was twisted. Valencia added nothing going forward & also stopped tracking Hazard's run prior to the goal for reasons best known to him.

we can't rely on Carrick next season, another intelligent grafter is paramount!

elampiro:

If you have been reading my posts since last week, I have said emphatically that power in football is not about speed alone, and it's definitely not about body built. My posts are there. Footballing is not weight lifting so we are not talking about bulk body where a player becomes a monument. On the other hand, I cannot say Ahmed Musa has power, despite his speed. This is why I said there are components. Last week, Chrisley asked me if it's about physical strength, I said no, that there are components. Now, FIFA 15 appeared to have helped me a great deal to break down the components. I think the 8 components of a player's physical under FIFA 15 is the best comprehensive representation of a football player's power on the field especially when scored over 800.


As for Akinfenwa, he doesn't have football power. He shouldn't even have been a footballer. I wonder how much body pains he feels when he gets home after training and matches. Since I came on this thread, I have never referred to such players as having football power (pace and power). I mentioned Ramires and Robben in the very first few months I got here. I also added Toure after a while.

so what is football power?
akinfenwa sent an email to FIFA when he heard of a rumour that he would lose his first place as the most powerful player in the world. he said he's going to challenge whoever wins his place to a bench-pressing task. FIFA quickly replied him that no one can take his place and he retained his title. all these physical components count....

robben has pace but he has no power. ramires has pace & stamina but no strength. i fail to see how you can put robben & ramires in the same echelon when they have varying physical attributes.

Now that it's obvious we are not on same page on what it means when it's said a player is having pace and power, I wonder how I am going to be describing such players to you guys understanding. Even commentators and sports journalists frequently use 'pace and power' for Robben.

pace, yes
power, no.
you are the one using the word power loosely. robben gets easily bullied off the ball.....although much of it is him being cheeky and trying to cheat the officials but he's powerless against physical monsters like bony, emenike, toure or pogba. those are FIFA's most powerful players.

ElFenomeno1:
MUFC is back ...... to losing

go and do thanksgiving in church because of that....

On another note, with the way I percieve , the number of cups arsenal have lifted that u watched live might probably be just one.....three at most....

Guess this is the only reason u r so much obsessed with seeing manutd fail....matured arsenal fans that saw the anelka/henry days don't display moronic tendencies... #no offense

SailorXY:
I don't even know how the two natural holding midfielders can get injured together for such a crucial fixture. the chemistry on both flanks could have been preserved @ all cost but LvG's arm was twisted. Valencia added nothing going forward & also stopped tracking Hazard's run prior to the goal for reasons best known to him.

kompany killed daley blind with that tackle. carrick just hobbled off the pitch, he's old so his case is understandable.

we can't rely on Carrick next season, another intelligent grafter is paramount!

•pogba
•vidal
•bender
•gundogan

coogar:


so what is football power?
akinfenwa sent an email to FIFA when he heard of a rumour that he would lose his first place as the most powerful player in the world. he said he's going to challenge whoever wins his place to a bench-pressing task. FIFA quickly replied him that no one can take his place and he retained his title. all these physical components count....

robben has pace but he has no power. ramires has pace & stamina but no strength. i fail to see how you can put robben & ramires in the same echelon when they have varying physical attributes.

But he is not the most powerful from our analysis using the FIFA stat. Robben is.

coogar:

robben has pace but he has no power. ramires has pace & stamina but no strength. i fail to see how you can put robben & ramires in the same echelon when they have varying physical attributes.



pace, yes
power, no.
you are the one using the word power loosely. robben gets easily bullied off the ball.....although much of it is him being cheeky and trying to cheat the officials but he's powerless against physical monsters like bony, emenike, toure or pogba. those are FIFA's most powerful players.

Robben doesnt get bullied off the ball?


How is Pogba and Emenike the most powerful?

Pogba
Physical
75 Acceleration
79 Agility
60 Balance
87 Jumping
78 Reactions
77 Sprint Speed
87 Stamina
90 Strength

Emenike
Physical
89 Acceleration
66 Agility
68 Balance
63 Jumping
80 Reactions
87 Sprint Speed
81 Stamina
90 Strength

elampiro:

But he is not the most powerful from our analysis using the FIFA sta. Robben is.

akinfenwa is.
google him

Robben doesnt get bullied off the ball?

robben isn't strong on the ball. this is why he dives. he dives to protect himself from the big bullies.

How is Pogba and Emenike the most powerful?

are you really asking this question?

Pogba
Physical
75 Acceleration
79 Agility
60 Balance
87 Jumping
78 Reactions
77 Sprint Speed
87 Stamina
90 Strength

Emenike
Physical
89 Acceleration
66 Agility
68 Balance
63 Jumping
80 Reactions
87 Sprint Speed
81 Stamina
90 Strength

pay attention to the bolded items.

coogar:


akinfenwa is.
google him



robben isn't strong on the ball. this is why he dives. he dives to protect himself from the big bullies.



are you really asking this question?



pay attention to the bolded items.

*What am I to do with google when there are stats?

* Why do you want me to pay attention to the last two when we have 8. Even Akinfenwa is weak in stamina and you still say he has football power. Someone who will gas out if he were to chase Januzaj twice.

elampiro:

*What am I to do with google when there are stats?

FIFA officially named him the strongest player in the world. so yes....you should google him.

* Why do you want me to pay attention to the last two when we have 8. Even Akinfenwa is weak in stamina and you still say he has football power. Someone who will gas out if he were to chase Januzaj twice.

because the last 2 is what propelled akinfenwa to be the strongest in the world in 2 seasons in a row.

coogar:


kompany killed daley blind with that tackle. carrick just hobbled off the pitch, he's old so his case is understandable.

•pogba
•vidal
•bender
•gundogan

Bender & Pogba are the durable guys here. hope we buy them both sef.

Bender has OK pace & pawa perfect for the EPL. Pogba has enough ground in England already but cost

heard a £50m bid was rejected for him recently...

coogar:


FIFA officially named him the strongest player in the world. so yes....you should google him.

Strong doesnt mean 'football power'. There is a separate list for strong. If Hulk Hogan enrols as a footballer today, he would be the strongest man. But it wont mean he he has football power. Pace and power.

coogar:

because the last 2 is what propelled akinfenwa to be the strongest in the world in 2 seasons in a row.

He is only strong. We are talking of football power. When they keep saying Robben has pace and power.

FIFA 15 stated 8 items under a clear header titled 'PHYSICAL'.

elampiro:

Strong doesnt mean 'football power'. There is a separate list for strong. If Hulk Hogan enrols as a footballer today, he would be the strongest man. But it wont mean he he has football power. Pace and power.

if strong doesn't mean football power, it must mean football weakness. why would FIFA - a football organisation rates a player's strength on other factors apart from football?

He is only strong. We are talking of football power. When they keep saying Robben has pace and power.

FIFA 15 stated 8 items times under a clear header titled 'PHYSICAL'.

that's exactly my point!

akinfenwa = 78(physical)
robben = 64(physical)

any more excuses?

coogar:


if strong doesn't mean football power, it must mean football weakness. why would FIFA - a football organisation rates a player's strength on other factors apart from football?

We are not discussing strong but power. The items 8 listed, Akinfenwa is a lazy footballer. Chikena.

coogar:

akinfenwa = 78(physical)
robben = 64(physical)
any more excuses?

You said Suarez is 79. Ukwu!!! So Suarez is the strongest footballer abi?

Go back to the real stats- the 8 items. Robben is the highest among you mentioned. Robben has 663 total. Now case closed finally finally.

SailorXY, you guys should discuss how we are to finish top 4 before you talk next season? City and Liverpool still putting pressure on us.

elampiro:

We are not discussing strong but power. The items 8 listed, Akinfenwa is a lazy footballer. Chikena.

if he's lazy, why would he become the strongest player in FIFA for 2 years running?

You said Suarez is 79. Ukwu!!! So Suarez is the strongest footballer abi?

suarez's physical is 79
suarez's strength is 76

akinfenwa's physical is 78
akinfenwa's strength is 97.

Go back to the real stats- the 8 items. Robben is the highest among you mentioned. Robben has 663 total. Now case closed finally finally.

ronaldo has 693 in total and yet he's not the strongest. the parameters weren't added together like a + b + c. an algorithm was used to determine who the most physical players are in the world. robben wasn't among the top 1000 players.

elampiro:
SailorXY, you guys should discuss how we are to finish top 4 before you talk next season? City and Liverpool still putting pressure on us.

we'll finish in second place!

elampiro:
SailorXY, you guys should discuss how we are to finish top 4 before you talk next season? City and Liverpool still putting pressure on us.

Winning our games should be our concern. More 3 wins and we're OK.

LVG should bring back Chicharito,honestly i dnt knw why he hates that guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Wjt8ZLiGs

One of Cleverley's best performances today.

SailorXY:

we'll finish in second place!

with 5 matches left?amen o

MrTA:
One of Cleverley's best performances today.

cleverly is a good player!

He was hardworking and a promising young talent under SAF, but moyes killed him. I don't know if he hated cleverly so much. One thing I know is that the guy woulda still be doing good and much more improved if SAF is still in charge.

MrTA:
One of Cleverley's best performances today.

cleverley loves playing at wembley - if he had stayed, he woulda also improved like young, fellaini, etc.

lekkie073:
go and do thanksgiving in church because of that....

On another note, with the way I percieve , the number of cups arsenal have lifted that u watched live might probably be just one.....three at most....

Guess this is the only reason u r so much obsessed with seeing manutd fail....matured arsenal fans that saw the anelka/henry days don't display moronic tendencies... #no offense

Whether you mean offense or not, I don't give a rat as....'s
my beer tastes better when MUFC lose

SailorXY:

we'll finish in second place!

Second place? In FiFa 2015 or where?

codedguy1:


Elampiro girlfriend go don hear am.

Everytime na pace and pawa, nothing like cuddling and carressing.

I dey tell you...

His obsession with stamina, vigor, power etc would definitely give nyabingo his female admirers an inkling of what to expect when Konji don hold am!!









Yori Yori!!

coogar:


if he's lazy, why would he become the strongest player in FIFA for 2 years running?



suarez's physical is 79
suarez's strength is 76

akinfenwa's physical is 78
akinfenwa's strength is 97.



ronaldo has 693 in total and yet he's not the strongest. the parameters weren't added together like a + b + c. an algorithm was used to determine who the most physical players are in the world. robben wasn't among the top 1000 players.

You keep failing yourself. The Suarez and Akinfenwa example above is highly flawed. Strength is already incorporated into your physicality stat. You yourself has said this earlier.

Secondly, if CR7 has higher mark than Robben, then I have seen one player who has power than Robben. This is the genuine measurement. There is no any yeye algorithm. The only algorithm is the one off physical stat you presented that puts Suarez above Akinfenma.

chrisley024:
Winning our games should be our concern. More 3 wins and we're OK.

Let's hope we return to winning ways at Goodison park. All injured players should come back now.

I wished it was an EPL match Liverpool lost today.

Dadehmola:




I dey tell you...

His obsession with stamina, vigor, power etc would definitely give nyabingo his female admirers an inkling of what to expect when Konji don hold am!!

Yori Yori!!

When I first came to this thread, you were sounding like a drunkard. Honestly, even your most serious posts sounded like being typed by a drunk. You remember when you used to write bluntly like 'IS WELBECK A FOOTBALLER'? even though I was new here with confusing names all over, I have memories of some people and what early opinion I formed about them. After a while, it appeared you got delivered and refined with your posts sounding matured. Now, it look's like the demons are back, your in-house bar is reopened.


Yori Yori

elampiro:


When I first came to this thread, you were sounding like a drunkard. Honestly, even your most serious posts sounded like being typed by a drunk. You remember when you used to write bluntly like 'IS WELBECK A FOOTBALLER'? even though I was new here with confusing names all over, I have memories of some people and what early opinion I formed about them. After a while, it appeared you got delivered and refined with your posts sounding matured. Now, it look's like the demons are back, your in-house bar is reopened.


Yori Yori

Saw this from United Fanzone

Falcao and Di Maria are actually playing good?


I believe like Evans these players are getting unfair stick yet again for no reason whatsoever. When we signed Falcao I was very against it because I said he was no different from Hernandez apart from the fact that Falcao has a slightly better touch but not by much. This however is not a criticism because if you watched Di Maria and Falcao play you realise they are playing the same as they have always done but are not getting the same results back because of a philosophy that plays to their weaknesses.


Falcao has always been a player who makes bad first touches and he has always been a player who loses possession every game when it was played to him but in every team he has played they understood this so they would not play the ball to him but in front if him


BAD FIRST TOUCHES
In Monaco, Porto and Atletico he averaged 2.8 dispossession per game and here he is averaging 2.1 here so its actually better here and he is also averaging 2.1 bad touches a game better than his previous 2.5 in other clubs


The same can be said about Di Maria who is averaging 1.4 which he has done throughout in his career in Europe.


END PRODUCT
Di Maria has 8 assists and 3 goals vs Santi Carzola who has 6 goals 7 assists and is being tipped for player of the year is not that far off
Falcao has 4 goals and 4 assists(for some reason his assist for the pen has been given to him) in 12 starts. He hardly ever finishes a game and is always subbed when he starts to enjoy the game.


GOALS
Falcao return of 4 goals in 17 apps is bad in terms of player of his reputation but why is that? Well he has only finished the full 90 mins 4 times so had he played the full game vs Sunderland there were a few occasions in the last 10 mins where I believe had it been Falcao we would have scored a few more goals. And also the same problem we have always had is still here. No player plays the early pass it has happened ever since Scholes retired and nothing has changed till now. Blind is another safe passer, the amount of times like Hernadez when Falcao is on the shoulder of the CB just waiting for that ball over the top is astonishing. The worst part of all Falcao is dropping deeper because of lack of service which is leading to us at times having no one in the box. The whole philosophy needs woerk IMO
.

CONCLUSION
So the issue is not that these players are bad its the fact they never were going to flourish in this philosophy. There needs to a serious inquest in the scouting. I am no football scout but Falcao's stats and Di Maria's show obviously that they are going to struggle keeping possession so why is someone being paid 85k a year not seeing it. And its so obvious Falcao's game is to play on the shoulder so why is he being made to play the target man role

chrisley024:
Saw this from United Fanzone

1. There is no doubt that Di Maria is very productive, he has lost his place to less productive Young and Mata. But when you look at the overall picture, you will conclude that stats can be misleading.

Key pass per minute: Di Maria 32 mins, Janujaz 48 mins, Mata 50 mins, Young 66 mins.
Assist per minutes: Di Maria 156, Mata 475, Young 549
Goals per minute: Mata 237, Di Maria 522, Young 824.

Looking at the stats, tell me why Young or Mata should bench Di Maria for any reason? But we know better from what we see in matches.


2. Falcao's unsuccessful touch and dispossession is worse in the EPL than his former average from other league. The writer produced the stats per game. The fact that Falcao doesn't play 90 mins makes his dispossession more alarming. His unsuccessful touch is every 29 mins while his dispossession is every 30.5 mins. This is his stats when projected over a game of 90 mins, that is, if he were to play 90 mins regularly.

Unsuccessful touch: 3 per game.
Dispossession: 2.9 per game.

3. Do you think Falcao has the speed of Hernadez to outpace EPL defenders while staying on the shoulder of the CBs? Even Hernadez find it hard to do in his last two seasons before he went on loan.

4. I am sure Di Maria will be great for us once he adjust his game. I heard too they are working with him in the gym to toughen him up a little. It's just a matter of adjusting to the EPL style. He has to work on his ball retention. When he came on for Mata against City, the very forst ball he got that was totally his control, he passed it backward trying to find our defender, but it was intercepted by a City player.

I am not one of those who think Falcao is finished. But he will have to rebuild his scoring confidence over several games. With four strikers in the team, the coach and fans wouldn't have that patience. Chelsea can afford to play Drogba because there is no much competition in that department. Sometimes, as a striker, if you are not scoring, you should have something else to compensate that deficiency. At the moment Falcao has nothing to compensate us with. When I saw Falcao beastly against Cheslea, I thought he was such a beast like Tevez with some skills of Maradona. May be I have not really followed him in the past.

When a player like Tevez doesnt score, he puts the defence under pressure. He keeps the ball for others to run into space. When a player like Kanu doesnt score, his overall play and technique compensate. May be we should wait for next season if he will be here. His confidence at the moment is down. May be over competition in that position is also a problem. This was part of Nani's problem when competition became stiff with arrival of Valencia and Young. And Nani couldnt express himself freely.