Wallie:


No but can you explain why certain industries congregate to one area? There are 50 states in the US but most industries congregate to a particular geographic area.

Financial industry - New York
Technology - Silicon Valley, Boston, NY
Agriculture - California, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, Texas, Illinois, Kansas, North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Indiana
Automobile industry - Detroit
Oil & gas - Texas, California, Oklahoma, and Louisiana

Lastly, take a look at the article below to see what states do here in the US/



http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2014/08/31/look-at-incentives-that-5-states-competing-for-huge-tesla-motors-battery/

Yea ur argument is ok, but you know in nigeria politics influences every thing. Thats whwhy tru federalism should be implemented in nigeria, so that every state can create its own enabling ènviroment.
Eg 40% of our national power suply goes to lag, that alone attrate any investment comming to nigeria.

ocelot2006:


Bull crap!! First of all, this was GEJs inotiative, NOT Lagos. 2nd, suting the factory in Lagos has to do with the large market there compared to most states, and access to the ports/gateways.

That said, this factory wouldve been better off in other states. Rivers and Akwa Ibom definitely come to mind.

No it is not hiss initiative

omololu2020:
Wia in lagos b d location.am sure d children of anger from d South East wont lov dis development

And I see you child of love from South West!

jesicajonna:
omg !!! Dats a freaking big lie..have bin working with kiA motors (dana groUp) for more thn 4 years now..wat dey actually do is import those parts and engines from korea and france then re-couple them back to a new car..so it nt as if they are producing them here in Nigeria...they import every parts including the car key;;;nothing is produced here..#whos foolin who #chewww

we all know that

jesicajonna:
omg !!! Dats a freaking big lie..have bin working with kiA motors (dana groUp) for more thn 4 years now..wat dey actually do is import those parts and engines from korea and france then re-couple them back to a new car..so it nt as if they are producing them here in Nigeria...they import every parts including the car key;;;nothing is produced here..#whos foolin who #chewww

What are you even saying ?

Mynd44:
Why in Lagos? Other states need this plants and industries more abeg.

Lagos is already too freaking populated. They could have opened it in Rivers or Alwa Ibom kf they are worried about closeness to the port and hence materials.

Even the excuse of market is not feasible as deliveries can be made. The concentration of industries in one state is causing more pressure on Lagos which is it smallest state according to landmass already.

Sharrap! Your village is not worthy of it.

Wallie:

Not exactly. I can't speak to London per se but what you do is to zone an area. Certain types of businesses are not conducive within city limits due to pollution and/or danger. BUT almost every city, state or country ACTIVELY competes for industries to be located within their geographic limits especially if the industry does not have an undesirable environmental or moral effect on the local population because that means more tax revenue. More tax revenue means more money for schools, hospitals, fire stations, police, trash collection, clean water, etc.

The reason this does not happen in Nigeria is because most states are oblivious as to how to generate IGR due to the way the FG distributes “free” money at the end of the month! All the states have to do is to just sit there and wait for money to show up in their accounts at the end of the month!

I think the fundamental problem with Lagos is the lack of a well-defined identity. Who does Lagos represent? Is it the Financial hub and the centre for the headquarters of multinationals? The port hub? Or basically the primary hub for everything? A city that's just 999.6 km² in size should NEVER have 20 million people living there - in saner climes, that'll be population explosion and a humanitarian crisis. So what are those in-charge doing to effect checks and balances on this? That's how the population in cities like London are controlled, hence Milton Keynes was built - and certain industries were moved to other parts of the country. Even now, with the population moving closer to 10 million - they're already planning to move a few companies to Birmingham and Manchester, and new cities are already being planned. And that's a city almost twice the size of Lagos.

There are states within proximity of Lagos (Ogun for example is more or less a satellite city to Lagos...and I don't think Ondo is that far from the place) and within city limits, to benefit from whatever qualities Lagos has to offer. Why can they site some of these companies there?

More taxes/revenues are inconsequential when the source(s) of those taxes/revenues will attract excessive population with utter stress on the amenities that the taxes/revenues wouldn't be able to cater to. It's basically like having a lot of cash with expenses that outweighs the cash you have. So what's the point? You might as well be broke with no cash/expenses/debts - than end up being heavily indebted.

Lagos needs an identity.

gateleo:
good one, i just hope the cars will be affordable for Nigerians.....

Good work.....Toyota, Honda and Nissan should follow.....

[size=13pt]Nigeria will be Great Again!!!!![/size]

Nissan don arrive tey tey.

ShymmexOBE:


I think the fundamental problem with Lagos is the lack of a well-defined identity. Who does Lagos represent? Is it the Financial hub and the centre for the headquarters of multinationals? The port hub? Or basically the primary hub for everything? A city that's just 999.6 km² in size should NEVER have 20 million people living there - in saner climes, that'll be population explosion and a humanitarian crisis. So what are those in-charge doing to effect checks and balances on this? That's how the population in cities like London are controlled, hence Milton Keynes was built - and certain industries were moved to other parts of the country. Even now, with the population moving closer to 10 million - they're already planning to move a few companies to Birmingham and Manchester, and new cities are already being planned. And that's a city almost twice the size of Lagos.

There are states within proximity of Lagos (Ogun for example is more or less a satellite city to Lagos...and I don't think Ondo is that far from the place) and within city limits, to benefit from whatever qualities Lagos has to offer. Why can they site some of these companies there?

More taxes/revenues are inconsequential when the source(s) of those taxes/revenues will attract excessive population with utter stress on the amenities that the taxes/revenues wouldn't be able to cater to. It's basically like having a lot of cash with expenses that outweighs the cash you have. So what's the point? You might as well be broke with no cash/expenses/debts - than end up being heavily indebted.

Lagos needs an identity.

Lagos is 3475 square kilometres.
In order to understand your point it wound help to understand what you mean by "identity" and why tha is a necessary or desirable thing for Lagos. At any rate what does having an identity have to do with being overpopulated.

Singapore is a city nation 1/5 the size of Lagos. with 5 million people. What is its "identity" . There is nothing wrong with having ideas or opinions but that does not a reality make. Facts ,figures and research is the kernel of hard analysis.
I do not think you have a point

Kegite:
Oh
I don't fucckk with KIA.
It's not an American car.

The only manufacture shiiit & that's what Nigerians like

Are you an American? If you reply me, Amadioha will do the needful.

Lagos Lagos,everybody loves Lagos including me

omonnakoda:

Lagos is 3475 square kilometres.
In order to understand your point it wound help to understand what you mean by "identity" and why tha is a necessary or desirable thing for Lagos. At any rate what does having an identity have to do with being overpopulated.

Singapore is a city nation 1/5 the size of Lagos. with 5 million people. What is its "identity" . There is nothing wrong with having ideas or opinions but that does not a reality make. Facts ,figures and research is the kernel of hard analysis.
I do not think you have a point

Erm, you can't compare a city-nation like Singapore to Lagos, which is a city within a nation.

You and I know what the identities of London, New York, Tokyo, Paris, Edinburgh et al are. What's the identity of Lagos?

these automobile companies be building factory in the west, amaechi you try o! you no fit drag two come rivers

ShymmexOBE:


Erm, you can't compare a city-nation like Singapore to Lagos, which is a city within a nation.

You and I know what the identities of London, New York, Tokyo, Paris, Edinburgh et al are. What's the identity of Lagos?

Why can't you compare WHY NOT?
Everything you wrote was ALL about comparing

I am afraid this knowledge is a secret that you alone possess. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

once gain please define "identity" .Frankly you are not communicating but having a monologue

Reminds of d title "n d man died"...der r consequences things u do or fail 2do

omonnakoda:

Why can't you compare WHY NOT?
Everything you wrote was ALL about comparing

I am afraid this knowledge is a secret that you alone possess. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

once gain please define "identity" .Frankly you are not communicating but having a monologue

Lmao...I know you're smarter and more knowledgeable than this. However, I think you're trying to bait me into a needless back and forth.

Anyway, in a city-state, anything goes because the city is also the country.

But in countries with different cities, the cosmopolitan cities have identities. I have listed cities that are the financial hubs of cities in different countries, save for Paris, which also represents art/fashion/culture.

What's the identity of Lagos and why are they trying to make Lagos the counter-productive primary hub of everything? That's just greed. Folks from the place can't even think about building a family house there in a serene place, without the fear of the needless gigantic slum that they have turned the place to. Sad.

ShymmexOBE:


Lmao...I know you're smarter and more knowledgeable than this. However, I think you're trying to bait me into a needless back and forth.

Anyway, in a city-state, anything goes because the city is also the country.

But in countries with different cities, the cosmopolitan cities have identities. I have listed cities that are the financial hubs of cities in different countries, save for Paris, which also represents art/fashion/culture.

What's the identity of Lagos and why are they trying to make Lagos the counter-productive primary hub of everything? That's just greed. Folks from the place can't even think about building a family house there in a serene place, without the fear of the needless gigantic slum that they have turned the place to. Sad.

I am not smart at all I would like to have a discussion about what you posted and it would help if you provide a working definition of what you mean by "identity" .If you cannot or will not I will consider the matter closed

I hope it electric car


Nigeria us destined for greatness.... Lagos my city

omonnakoda:

I am not smart at all I would like to have a discussion about what you posted and it would help if you provide a working definition of what you mean by "identity" .If you cannot or will not I will consider the matter closed

Let me just posit a few cities and their identities, and hopefully you'll deduce your definition, despite how obvious it's that you're feigning ignorance (my last reply to you).

1). London: Identity - financial hub.

2). Liverpool: Identity - port hub.

3). Frankfurt: Identity - financial hub.

4). New York: Identity - financial hub.

5) Edinburgh: Identity - financial hub.

6) Cape Town: Identity - port hub.

7). Johannesburg: Identity - financial hub.

What's the identity of Lagos?

ShymmexOBE:


Let me just posit a few cities and their identities, and hopefully you'll deduce your definition, despite how obvious it's that you're feigning ignorance (my last reply to you).

1). London: Identity - financial hub.

2). Liverpool: Identity - port hub.

3). Frankfurt: Identity - financial hub.

4). New York: Identity - financial hub.

5) Edinburgh: Identity - financial hub.

6) Cape Town: Identity - port hub.

7). Johannesburg: Identity - financial hub.

What's the identity of Lagos?

I am still Not sure what you mean by identity

e.g Muhammadu

Identity Fulani
Identity Muslim
Identity Father
Identity Husband
Identity Soldier
Identity Politician

etc so without providing a definition it is impossible to proceed

London Port is much bigger than Liverpool, much much so
London may be described as a TOURIST HUB one of the biggest in the world
There is a diesel engine manufacturing plant in Dagenham ,it is the largest in the world so there is significant manufacturing going
The RETAIL industry in London especially for non-Food is often rated the biggest in the world

I am not sure what you mean by identity as in the Buhari example above what is his "identity"

The other question is it necessary always and your point that Lagos needs it? How why?

omonnakoda:
No it is not hiss initiative

So it's whose? GMB? Fashola? APC? Please dont make me laugh.

Mynd44:
Why in Lagos? Other states need this plants and industries more abeg.

Lagos is already too freaking populated. They could have opened it in Rivers or Alwa Ibom kf they are worried about closeness to the port and hence materials.

Even the excuse of market is not feasible as deliveries can be made. The concentration of industries in one state is causing more pressure on Lagos which is it smallest state according to landmass already.

Over 90% of Nigerians purchase their vehicles in Lagos...so its a business decision to locate the plant in Lagos.

omololu2020:
Wia in lagos b d location.am sure d children of anger from d South East wont lov dis development

They can go and die......who cares

iiiyyyk:


Your point is completely baseless, do u need to go to car factory or assembly before buying a car? The location of a factory has nothing to do with sales and management. Most goods sold in USA are manufactured outside USA china Asia.

All Innoson need to do is too open good show rooms all nigeria, have a good management and marketing tteam.

May God bless Innoson and other Igbo sons who sited their companies in igboland to create jobs for our people.

I found it disgusting that young Igbo youths have to travel 450km to lagos to do little factory jobs of 50k. Its unfair, invesments to to spread all over the country.

You are right bro.

That is what happen in sane society where industries are spread all over the country so as to reduce Rural/Urban migration, but unfortunately Nigeria is far from US.

Pls, don't compare US to Nigeria as far as business viability is concerned. In US, just like automobile industry in US, as a musician you wouldn't need to travel all the way to New York to become famous as a musician but in Nigeria, you must come down to Lagos state if you are to make it big in the music industry and example of this is abounds

State governments have a responsibility to develo their states.Take Delta,Akwa Ibom and Bayelsa what have they got to show.What about NDDC ? There is a lot of money going to the Delta and much of it is stolen or wasted. Imagine if half of that money went to the SE

omololu2020:
Wia in lagos b d location.am sure d children of anger from d South East wont lov dis development

Yoruba and Igbo
Please learn how to use mild words.
One naija.

omonnakoda:

I am still Not sure what you mean by identity

e.g Muhammadu

Identity Fulani
Identity Muslim
Identity Father
Identity Husband
Identity Soldier
Identity Politician

etc so without providing a definition it is impossible to proceed

London Port is much bigger than Liverpool, much much so
London may be described as a TOURIST HUB one of the biggest in the world
There is a diesel engine manufacturing plant in Dagenham ,it is the largest in the world so there is significant manufacturing going
The RETAIL industry in London especially for non-Food is often rated the biggest in the world

I am not sure what you mean by identity as in the Buhari example above what is his "identity"

The other question is it necessary always and your point that Lagos needs it? How why?

I'll engage you but I shall implore you to keep it civil and voodoo-casting free, without wishing my parents death - if and when we disagree (that's something I won't tolerate). And I'll be as civil as possible on my part.

1). You don't need to be a Professor of English language to know that "identity" signifies the primary characteristics of place in this context. Ever heard of the term "place-identity"? Now, in simpler term, what's the place-identity of Lagos?

2). You're conflating two different issues here, while obfuscating my point. I cited Liverpool cos it's known as the port hub (that's the primary characteristic of Liverpool and what's the city is about - its identity) not cos it has a bigger port than London. The port in London caters to the need of those in London, while other ports cater to different parts of the country. Unlike Lagos which caters to the whole country. And London isn't known for its port, apart from the need to have one there cos it's a coastal city.

Moreover, the London port isn't the biggest in the UK - the biggest port in the UK is in Suffolk. And there are gazillion of ports all over the UK.

3). Is Dagenham in Essex or London? And when was the Ford diesel engine manufacturing plant in Dagenham built? Well, in case you don't know, it was built in the 30s when Dagenham was more or less a village - to have proximity with Ford headquarters in Brentwood, Essex. Folks started moving to Dagenham in the 90s and noughties, and it's evident based on how relatively new majority of the houses there are. And I'm sure the plant would be moved out of there soon, just as they're moving a lot of factories out Thurrock and other parts of the London-Essex axis.

So you basically have no point, cos London extended to Essex way after the plant was sited there.

4). What has the retail industry catering to the daily needs of the people got to do with the discourse? If you had said that the companies manufacturing the retail products were based in London, then you would have had a point. However, the overwhelming majority of these companies are outside London, while the rest are imported from other countries. Conversely, I'd wager that majority of the manufacturing companies in Nigeria are located in Lagos.

Got more to add?

Mynd44:
Why in Lagos? Other states need this plants and industries more abeg.

Lagos is already too freaking populated. They could have opened it in Rivers or Alwa Ibom kf they are worried about closeness to the port and hence materials.

Even the excuse of market is not feasible as deliveries can be made. The concentration of industries in one state is causing more pressure on Lagos which is it smallest state according to landmass already.

I support your comment, regardless I am from Ogun State.

ShymmexOBE:


Lagos can always direct the investors to states close to Lagos. These greedy plonkers aren't helping the state - they're destroying it with their greed. Heck, those originally from Lagos don't even have a place to call home anymore and they're slowly but surely becoming endangered species on their ancestral land.

Err, I thought APC is also in-charge of most SW states? Why can't they move some of these companies there if they want to keep it in-house? STOP THE MADNESS - the place is too congested, for fvck sake!

Ogun state could house some of these assembly plants

ShymmexOBE:


I'll engage you but I shall implore you to keep it civil and voodoo-casting free, without wishing my parents death - if and when we disagree (that's something I won't tolerate). And I'll be as civil as possible on my part.

1). You don't need to be a Professor of English language to know that "identity" signifies the primary characteristics of place in this context. Ever heard of the term "place-identity"? Now, in simpler term, what's the place-identity of Lagos?

2). You're conflating two different issues here, while obfuscating my point. I cited Liverpool cos it's known as the port hub (that's the primary characteristic of Liverpool and what's the city is about - its identity) not cos it has a bigger port than London. The port in London caters to the need of those in London, while other ports cater to different parts of the country. Unlike Lagos which caters to the whole country. And London isn't known for its port, apart from the need to have one there cos it's a coastal city.

Moreover, the London port isn't the biggest in the UK - the biggest port in the UK is in Suffolk. And there are gazillion of ports all over the UK.

3). Is Dagenham in Essex or London? And when was the Ford diesel engine manufacturing plant in Dagenham built? Well, in case you don't know, it was built in the 30s when Dagenham was more or less a village - to have proximity with Ford headquarters in Brentwood, Essex. Folks started moving to Dagenham in the 90s and noughties, and it's evident based on how relatively new majority of the houses there are. And I'm sure the plant would be moved out of there soon, just as they're moving a lot of factories out Thurrock and other parts of the London-Essex axis.

So you basically have no point, cos London extended to Essex way after the plant was sited there.

4). What has the retail industry catering to the daily needs of the people got to do with the discourse? If you had said that the companies manufacturing the retail products were based in London, then you would have had a point. However, the overwhelming majority of these companies are outside London, while the rest are imported from other countries. Conversely, I'd wager that majority of the manufacturing companies in Nigeria are located in Lagos.

Got more to add?

I am not seeking "engagement" whatever that means

Like I said there is nothing to discuss without a definition. You choose whatever works for you of what identity means. I can only assume what you mean or "deduce" but I do not want a situation where I make and assumption and subsequently you shift the goalposts. You made a very assertive claim so the onus is on you to define what you mean when you say Lagos needs an Identity.

I will work with whatever definition you choose.
What is of interest to me is what it means and why Lagos needs it.

London to my mind has an identity as a tourist hub. It has an identity as a property hub to my mind so it is important that when we have a dicussion about identity we are talking bout the same thing
The importance of the retail industry is its size as a component of GDP and an employer of labour.Whereever what it sells is manufactured is irrelevant to those considerations. Diamonds are not mined in Antwerp. These days we talk of Value addition not just manufacturing. There is plenty of Value addition and value addition JOBS in the retail sector
The London retail sector as component of GDP is massive the turnover at £65 billion is more than Nigeria receives from oil.

You ask what that has to do with the discourse.

I ask WHAT IS THE DISCOURSE? if you refuse to say what you mean by "identity" we are only talking at cross purposes. So you define it an I will work with that

Kia has a reputation these days as a great performing and reliable car among economy cars in USA... I hope the manufactured or assembled ones in Lagos will carry on the same reputation...

omonnakoda:

I am not seeking "engagement" whatever that means

Like I said there is nothing to discuss without a definition. You choose whatever works for you of what identity means. I can only assume what you mean or "deduce" but I do not want a situation where I make and assumption and subsequently you shift the goalposts. You made a very assertive claim so the onus is on you to define what you mean when you say Lagos needs an Identity.

I will work with whatever definition you choose.
What is of interest to me is what it means and why Lagos needs it.

London to my mind has an identity as a tourist hub. It has an identity as a property hub to my mind so it is important that when we have a dicussion about identity we are talking bout the same thing
The importance of the retail industry is its size as a component of GDP and an employer of labour.Whereever what it sells is manufactured is irrelevant to those considerations. Diamonds are not mined in Antwerp.
The London retail sector as component of GDP is massive the turnover at £65 billion is more than Nigeria receives from oil.

You ask what that has to do with the discourse.

I ask WHAT IS THE DISCOURSE? if you refuse to say what you mean by "identity" we are only talking at cross purposes. So you define it an I will work with that

Okay, I already what I meant by "identity" in this context, and it's called "place-identity". What a place is primarily designated/designed for.

London is a tourist hub cos of its historical landmarks, it's history, and the royal family. However, is that what London is known for, or designed/designated for? Tourism is just on the peripheral - London lives on being the financial capital of the world. That's where most of its revenue comes from.

Lol, if you're going to compare the differential between how much London generates from its retail sector to what Nigeria makes from oil - you might as well compare the GDP of London to what Nigeria makes from oil.

Erm, let's do that - shall we? - The GDP of London is: $835.6billion...while Nigeria earns less than $80billion from oil annually.

Are you happy now?