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| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by herald9: 11:01pm On Jul 29, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:Sorry, all these things, who tagged them 'gods' .... Not man? I can choose to call anything that fascinates me 'a god', that doesn't make it a universal truth and you can't use that to compel general acceptability of this god concept. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by winner01(m): 1:15am On Jul 30, 2015 |
Esdb3:check her profile topics, she was a christian... www.nairaland.com/2474302/most-committed-atheists-once-chtistians |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by FOLYKAZE(m): 7:33am On Jul 30, 2015 |
herald9: When it comes to god, there is no universal acceptance of one concept. Zeus is the supreme God to the greek but it is not accepted by christians. Jehovah is not accept as a God to Hindi. Na everybody with him own |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by FOLYKAZE(m): 8:24am On Jul 30, 2015 |
McSterling: Disbelieve in one particular God and believe in some others doesnt make one an atheist. Or lett me assume you dont know what atheism is all about and or maybe you choose to call yourself an atheist because you seem to hate Yahweh/Allah or cant justify there existence. Christians do not believe in millions of Gods that exist in different cultures but consider Yahweh as the only existing God. The Hindi rejects and also deny the existence of other cultural and concept of God but still have believe in their Krishna. Does this make them claim to an atheist? Does this in anyway makes them an atheist? Are they atheist to you or theist? Theist belief in at least one God and reject the other ones. Affirming here that you believe and not atheist to some form of God evidently shows that you are not different from the theist and practically not an atheist. How does disblieve in Yahweh and Allah mades one an atheist when pagans do not have such believe in those deity? Atheists do not believe in any gods whatsoever, which means an atheist cannot believe in one god or two gods or three gods. The moment a person believes in any god at all, even the deistic or the pantheistic type, that person ceases to be an atheist and becomes a theist of some or other flavour. Theist is defined as: Someone who claims the existence of at least a deity. http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/religion/blrel_theism_what.htm . It is a belief in a god or gods as oppose to atheism. The more common understanding of atheism among atheists is "not believing in any gods. http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutatheism/p/atheism101.htm An atheist is any person who is not a theist. Therefore, it is as nonsensical as saying a working light bulb is both off and on or a gate is both open and closed at the same time saying you disbelieve in a particualr God/gods and believe in the existence of some others that it evidence can be substantiate. Just like every atheists, you just proved that atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs. Moreso, Lady Justice is a personal, anthropomorphised greek god which is represented as a woman nature holding a scale and a sword with a blindfolded face. She represent Justice and equity of the law. Saying Lady Justice does not exist mean Justice and Law is not in our society and this equates to insanity. Mother Nature is another example of personified deity. She represent the good nature of earth. She is indeed earth. Saying that you dont believe in the existence of Mother nature mean earth does not exist. This is the greatest insanity of all age. Venus, Saturn and other member of the Titans took human form. This does not in anyway mean they are human. Anthropomorphism is a means of expression. That some people personify an object does not mean the object is a person. Learn how to look beyond the surface. Talking about personality has to do with the language which one use. A country can be person. A nation is a deity which one worship, pray to, have faith in and make sacrifice to. Out of ignorance you fail to realise that you worship a deity the very moment you salute the national flag or when the anthem song is sang. Do you notice the faithfullness to serve and loyal in the pledge and anthem song? Dont you realise this is the reason why some christian think nationalisation is idolatory? They have realised a country is a deity. This is not just been a deity, a country is a personal deity of patriots. So how would you deny the existence of a nation because some peopke choose to worship it as god? McSterling: The ish is not answered. Do you disbelieve in the supernatural occurence of this age? Is an unexplainable event not happening today? Do you believe it happens but cant be explain yet? So why the hell did you say you dont believe in supernatural? McSterling: I want to you know that perception is not the reality. If you read what panpsychism is, you will understand it states that everything including the inaniminated objects are conscious. The Earth in Yoruba is worhip as Iyale, Gaia in greek because it is believe that this entity is conscious. Well I dont see earth having brain? So how do you explain consciousness with brain when lot of people agree that everything in the universe and the universe itself is conscious? |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by Esdb3: 12:09pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
plaetton: I never said dark web was evident of anything. Ok school me on free masonry. |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by McSterling(m): 12:33pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:Do you find it hard to comprehend? You seem intent at proving I'm not an atheist, grasping at straws, caviling. Well, good luck with that. If natural phenomena is the definition of god, then no rational person will claim to be atheist. Atheism itself would be irrational. You expect me to disbelieve natural phenomena? If someone chooses to define their god as the universe or nature, so you expect me to prove I'm an atheist by disbelieving in the universe and nature? Just because some guy thinks that is god? How does believing in natural phenomena equate to choosing one god over others? If someone chooses to define their god as a coconut, then does that prove that I have chosen to believe in the coconut over other gods? Just because I acknowledge the existence of the coconut? Of course, I do not regard natural phenomena as god. I stated that in a previous reply. I have no need for that. The universe is the universe. Nature is nature. God is the supposed creator of the universe who transcends the universe, and I don't believe in god. That's how I see it. If you have a problem with that, then it's just that-YOUR problem. Nothing I can do about it. *Sighs* The point I was trying to make is this: Just because a phenomenon isn't explainable today, it doesn't mean it is supernatural. Several perfectly explainable phenomena today were not explainable in the past. Does that mean they were supernatural then but have now ceased to be supernatural? I am not an expert in this field (probably even less than a dilettante) but it's clear we both mean consciousness in different ways. In the way that I see it, there's no way an inanimate object or a cadaver can be said to be conscious. Are they conscious in the same sense as animate beings? In what sense exactly are they said to be conscious? Interestingly, when I was a little boy, I used to wonder if inanimate things like a chair, the bar of soap on the table, my pencils, were able to observe me as I could do them, or were able to "know themselves" as I did. It was something I didn't have words for. And I never asked anybody because I didn't know how to. Now, I know the word I was searching for is "consciousness". "Is the bar of soap conscious?" was what I wanted to know as a child. I'll read up more on panpsychism. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by Esdb3: 1:02pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
plaetton: For the umpteenth time! Christianity is not logic! The world is not ruled by logic alone. You kids of this generation need to get out of your programs. You need to understand that ---Democracy was invented, Technology should make our lives easier not control it. The world was without technology for ages and the world survived. Technology has caused more harm than good. Technology has destroyed humanity and given birth to the likes of you whose thinking has shifted from the roots of normalcy so that you now regard God an idea. Apparently, You have zero idea of what a Mason is, except from, perhaps myths, and yet , you are unabashedly using it in an argument. What a folly. Lol! What is a mason then? What things? Invented by the NWO while you chase girls about and pay bills someone(I know it is hard to believe) is really controlling your life. Occultic ? So your point exactly is that magic doesn't happen? You are not ready to walk the talk! I have given you options, places you can go to see if there is magic and dark powers or not. If to move a cup from a table to another requires solely the logical explanation of applying mechanical energy. lol. it is you whose brain is being driven backwards. Thousands of years ago in africa people moved around semi-clad. The whites came, gave them clothes to cover them up totally. Even the whites themselves wore clothes to cover themselves up. You can check with google. Now, Nicki Minaj with all the technology this world currently possesses dresses like the thousand year ago african. Infact, it is a trend to dress like that. Technology was invented to cover our unclothedness, why are we back where it started? Wow ! Bingo !well if you don't know dummy, Pastor Adeboye didn't start redeem and doesn't own Redeem. When God calls his soul home, somebody else will take over from him. And for what is worth, the redeem was a vision given to and started by Pastor Akindayomi(may his soul rest in perfect peace). Now you can continue with your foolery or google "Pastor Akindayomi" Pls tell me the greatest inventors, and how many of them were pastors. Not pastors duib, christians. You the father of electricity and Newton for instance. Scientific pioneers began to flourished at the era of religious transition in Europe and rest of the world, when humans began to seek for answers from nature herself, rather than from churchmen. what is this one saying? Science has been going on since forever! Even before the time of Jesus. Science is man trying to better his life. People used to go bare-footed,they made sandals, that was science! Science is the world the world is science! Stop making the mistake of tangling up science and worshipping God. Worshipping God is to benefit your soul, Science is to make your life easier. Shikena! Every single scientific advancement has come from the careful study of nature, not from spiri spiri revelation.This simply shows you are mixing things up. This gives me further insight on an atheist's thought train. Scientific advancement hasn't come from spiri spiri revelation as you call it. Hell no! It hasn't! The only way it can is if you pray for it. Though even if you don't believe; if God doesn't allow it, it can't happen. Worshipping God is to save your soul from the evil that is going on that you have chosen to close your eyes to. Science is just to smoothen your living. If you fetch water by drawing out a pitcher by your arms and you create a sort of roller connected to a power source that rolls the pitcher out, you have just done SCIENCE! **texting calmly and lovingly now** Science and God-worship are two different things. The physical is very different from the Spiritual. Science is the logic----practice it! Christianity is the Spiritual-----practice it! Because while science saves you from stress and smoothens your life, Christianity protects you from unseen spiritual forces. Now, all you gotta do is separate and believe there are spiritual forces you cannot see. If you don't believe, wait---you might see proof. If you don't see proof, you can go on a quest yourself. Try eckankar, just do as you are told and go to ritualists to see things for yourself but please don't hurt yourself in the process  .BTW, why did god NOT give the stone-age prophets, and even Jesus, scientific knowledge to spread, in much the same way that they were supposedly given spiri spiri mumbo jumbo to spread? Asking the first paragraph shows you are programmed to believe science is the principal thing and I keep telling you it is not! Jesus came to save us from all sins, stop sacrifices and give us the time of GRACE. Now you can sin and not kill a goat, you simply ask to be forgived. The evolution of Science is something God took care of himself. The old prophets ministered unto the jews and had their own purpose! God took care of science in that as I asked earlier, how many atheist and ungodly folks like you shaped the world with their inventions. The primal inventions. If you haven't seen people healed by prayer, please use google. |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by shotster50(m): 4:26pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
Very interesting thread here.. thumbs up @ plaetton and Mc Sterling.... Science has and continues to unravel age old superstitions.... @Esdb3 you are right, Christianity is not logic .. and that's the problem. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:59pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
McSterling: How is it my problem if you are an atheist? I am only trying to draw your attention toward atheist fallacy. Make you see that it is of best to define what you mean by God which you disbelieve in rather than going round displaying to the world the hatred you have for Abrahamic deity; Jehovah, Allah and Yahweh. I am trying to make you that there is difference between Atheism and Hateism. Every culture on the face of the planet has historically believed in God. Many are polytheistic, others are monotheistic, while still others are pantheistic. While they differ on the specifics of what God is like, there is no disagreement that there was some divine entity in the universe. The atheist presents a worldview devoid of God, as opposed to a worldview with God in it. That is the essential difference. But when we look closely, we found out that these God in every culture are different. They took different form and those that worship them understand it in their own view. God is not and never an object. It is an appelation for level of respect, awe, status, dominion, worth and value of soneone or something. A person or object becomes a God when it is been worship and garner dominion. Worship here mean acknowledging worth of something or someone. Divinity has no speciality other than the value we give one. Money is God to some but sone people can burn it. Snake is God to some people but I can kilk it at any slightest means. Cow is a deity is some culture but it is the best meat I serve. So when you atheist tell us you dont believe in God, I like to ask if your definition of God extends to those entities thay really exist like body of water or Iron. It will really be confusing when atheist claim he believes in some God and disblieving in others. This implies such atheist does not know his position or realky confused and not different from other theist who believe in one or two gods but disbelieve in thousands of others. This further buttress that atheism is nothing but noises of people who cant justify religion doctrine. *Sighs* The point I was trying to make is this: Just because a phenomenon isn't explainable today, it doesn't mean it is supernatural. Several perfectly explainable phenomena today were not explainable in the past. Does that mean they were supernatural then but have now ceased to be supernatural? It remains a supernatural until there is explanation for it. I am not an expert in this field (probably even less than a dilettante) but it's clear we both mean consciousness in different ways. In the way that I see it, there's no way an inanimate object or a cadaver can be said to be conscious. Are they conscious in the same sense as animate beings? In what sense exactly are they said to be conscious? Read and enjoy https://www.nairaland.com/1460798/universe-conscious |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by frank317: 8:31am On Jul 31, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: I think you are the one trying to confuse things here. Now if I or an atheist say there is not God, he clearly means there is no creator man in heaven who is omini everything, who sent his son or answers our prayers or will judge us on the last day or is angry that we don't love him and will throw us in hell for not loving him back. It means we don't believe in a being we must pray to five times a day and must worship and because of fear of getting him angry we must abstain from certain life styles or hate people who don't worship him because he will throw us in heaven if we don't kill others for his sake. We don't believe in a being who promise ur heaven if we do some absurdities for him on earth. Now if you say to some people God is stone, cloud or a pile of shii.t well there is not reason to argue with them. The best form of argument with them is "I don't believe a shii.t or stone is God" not I don't believe shii.t or stone exist. Again, anyone can believe anything is God as long as they don't tell me the stone will burn me in hell for going to have fun in a party. People are atheist because they don't see the significance of a God in a world like this. How can a powerful being (not stone or water) exist yet his creations doubt it or he begs and threaten people to worship him. How can a God being exist yet the world he creates is in disarray and he does absolutely nothing. Noe these questions have nothing to do with stone or a revered human. No one with ask all these question if it was generally believed that a stone is a God. You can't accuse atheists of believing in one God and debeliving in another when they don't even think a stone is a God and therefore have not found it worth arguing about. |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by Esdb3: 11:34am On Jul 31, 2015 |
McSterling: Because you have seen little in life. My problem is that y'all use your inexperience to conclude on life and you then try to force others to accept that theory. You don't believe doesn't mean it is non-existing. And when we say go here, go there do this do that so you'll know. You just stay rooted and decide not to move campaigning your unbelievable mantra of 'magick doesn't happen'.... Strange beings don't go to markets. |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by frank317: 12:18pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
Esdb3: And you that have seen life is here ranting like a deranged kid, talking about ullminati and Freemason like u really know what they are about. You think the silly stories you hear about people and societies makes u experienced in life. If anything, I think your posts are plain embarrassment to any reasonable person. You have been shamelessly spweing trash all over this thread without making a singer sense yet u think u know anything. Stop listening to stories and start thinking and do some research. Stop feeling u know anything and dig deep. Your arrogance makes you look foolish. 1 Like |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by Esdb3: 12:27pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
frank317: To believe God you have to have faith. You have to accept that spiritualism is not logic and that God is spiritual. The world didn't always run on OS Logic. It ran on OS spirituality. OS Logic came and showed that some spiritual talks which we call superstitions are sth not really spiritual. It gave us the right name for it; 'Coincidence'. But humans tend to utterly bend in favour of what makes them stand out, comfortable, respected so they took to OS Logic and rubbished OS spirituality called themselves atheists - a fancy name and they felt special and different. What they don't know is OS Logic itself has spirituality traits in it(that is why the spiritual governs the physical). Or explain how you call and with no cable connection you connect to another person kilometres away.(before you go all pedant on me!) I can give you the Logical explanation but just tell me how it can connect through charges in the air, the charges that can't even shock you then tell me what energy Yoga harnesses and Buddhists talk about(not believing in spirituality is not believing in Yoga btw). As I always state since I discovered, "The NWO wants you to mix logic with spirituality". They want you to think Science can't be practiced with religion(christianity). Now ask yourself, if you also see it in that light. Has science not become a religion too? With all the great scientists being the gods now? On why God keeps quiet. 1. You want to know why God is this, is that, yet you don't want to follow his rules. If you read the bible, Jesus clearly stated 'you are not of this world, you are only here, you have an eternal home in heaven'. Now you ask: "why did he make the world in the first place?!" Well I always say: 'he is the creator and he creates'. But on why he now tells some people they are not of this world, well it is simple. One of his creations went AWOL on him, rogue and destroyed his plans. Men are more than angels is the talk in the spiritual world. Some dude called Lucifer couldn't stand that because he was feeling himself. He planned a coup but he got thrown out so he(Lucifer) set out to revenge. During his stay in heaven he knew what God hates so he went forth to put what God hates into what he loves. He put Sin into Man. Or why else does every living man tend to do evil even when he or she morally knows this thing is wrong. You mentioned earlier that You want to go to a party and enjoy yourself - I know your conscience says it's bad but you want the pleasure over your moral reputation and how else to do that than to rubbish God the one that hangs over your head with the 'you'll go to hell boy' banner. But putting God's warning aside, you know that parties are still not morally right. Boys and girls in an altered state of mind doing what the society shuns. You defaultly tend to want to do evil. Now you know why he had to and has paved a path for all who care to get what God hates out of them he loves. You can choose to be worldly it doesn't concern him. You can curse him day and night it doesn't concern him. It only hurts those that follow him and he has ordered to show he aint concerned christians not to do anything about the curses. Infact arguing and trying to defend him is sth like a sin. 2. Answering why the world is in dis-array and he is doing nothing. If you've read the bible well, you'll find warnings about this time that we are in about 10000 years ago. Google the 70 weeks of Daniel and Jesus' end time speech. He has warned. But now you are thinking: "that still doesn't explain why he is not showing himself. I mean if he cares about me being an atheist then he can just appear to me or just show himself in the clouds and let the world marvel". Answer - He will. It is just not yet time. To further understand why he won't show himself into this shi-hole of a world; for a moment believe there is God believe he exists and fear him it can take you days or months to accept this but try to. Then go online and google lots of confessions of ex illuminati members(just swallow your pride and knowledge and just do as you are told for once) google 'svali' google 'elisa lam' google 'conspiracy theories that follow celebrity deaths and elisa lam' checkout websites like illuminatiwatcher.com. Read and then p.m me or sth so we'll discuss what you feel about the world after all that. My only problem with you is you won't do it and you'll still keep on believing what you believe and call others stupiiiiid. If you do it proves my point on the dogmatism of atheists. Not ready to learn attitude and the ITK attitude like any man is an island of knowledge. Lastly, OS Logic tells you your dick can give you pleasure. OS Spirituality tells you not have sex till you are married and that looking at a woman lustfully is sex. OS spirituality is once again rubbished by OS Logic but when you read articles on 'sex magick' you'll grab. So you can google 'sex magick' too. |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by Esdb3: 12:32pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
frank317: I didn't mean to insult you if you felt like I have. So I won't reply this because you wrote it in a defensive state of mind. I think I just wrote you a long article so read that and please be open minded to learning. I am open to learning that is why I even give atheists audience. So if I offended you with what you quoted, I'm sorry. |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by McSterling(m): 2:06pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:A very interesting thread. |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by McSterling(m): 2:10pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
herald9:Precisely what I tried to communicate. |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:53pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
frank317: The post you have up there is incoherent. Atheism is disbelieve in existence of Gods. Not christian, hebrew and muslim Gods. The God you depict up there is nothing but an Abrahamic deities. Up there we have Yahweh, Jehovah and Allah. It is irrational for one to think only Hebrew clan and Arab nation have the priority to use the word God. It is the greatest form of insanity for one to think atheism is disbelieve in Hebrew Gods but believe in Astrolatry roman gods. It is insane for an atheist to claim he disbelieve in the existence of Arab deity but believe in the pantheistic gods of India and africa. This really shows that you are confused just like the theist you choose to lamblast because you aint different from them. Christians believe in Jehovah but disbelieve in every other thousands of God in other cultures. Buddhist believe in devas and raja, incarnate of devas but disbelieve in every other deity in their thousands. I really dont understand why you guys run to tag yourself an atheist just because you cant justify christian and islamic doctrines and principles or just because you want to show to the world you hate Hebrew and arab deities. This is not atheism. frank317: Dont be dumb God is not a particular entity just like the president. It is a status of divinity, sacred and worth one give a person or an object. Just like the president, anyone can become a president when he/she attain a political status. The Taxi I drive is not different from the presidential but you know the value one draw is more than ordinary cab. In imperial cult, any person can be God. A lot of men, leaders were apotheosis and became God. This doesnt mean they are creator of the universe. Atheism is from the greek word a+theo which mean no god. This is as oppose to theism. Theism is a believe that there exist at least one god. God in that context is not christian or muslim god. Those that worship stone are free to in as much it is part of theism. Those that worship Earth are free to in as much they are convinced of what they are doing. Animist are free to worship plants and animal. These are all part of theism to which atheism oppose. You should better tag yourself anti-christian or anti-islam rather than fooling around of been an atheist. Your atheism is borne out of fear that you will burn in hell and other unjustificable doctrines of christianity. It would be foolish to think since Christianity employ the doctrine of hell and eternal punishment therefore every other religion will share the same doctrine. There are thousands of religion that does not have the doctrine of hell and eternal punishment as it tenet. Does this makes the gods in these religion anyway lesser than christian god? Is Buddha leser than Jehovah? Yoruba traditional religion does not have doctrine of hell, does that make Eledumare anyway lesser than Allah. The peoples that worship Fela in Kalakuta shrine are convinced with what they do. They pray, worship and make sacrifice to Fela in this shrine. To them fela is god but dont scare people with eternal punishment, does that make fela not been there god? Does it make fela anyway lesser than Allah? 1 Like |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:54pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by McSterling(m): 6:40pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:Na wa for you o. |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by frank317: 6:50pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: Lol... You are really trying hard but you can't force your thinking on me. NO!!!! I don't believe a stone is a god no matter who says a stone is a god. I don't believe any human is a god no matter what any one tells me. I don't believe my shi.it is a god, I don't believe the moon, moon, star. I believe they are what they are... Star, stone sun etc. I don't believe all those things pantheistic Africans and Indians call gods are gods ( I don't know who told you I believe in that.) And so I don't bother myself with that. And if they bring in their arguments to prove that these things are gods I wouldn't mind engage them. Now the proponents of abramic god are all other the place with threats and claims of what he did i.e built the universe, hence our engagement in arguments with them. Of course I used to fear the threat of hell but now I find it absurd. Or do u want to prove to me that a stone is a god and not a stone? What exactly are u all about? |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by FOLYKAZE(m): 6:57pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
McSterling: It is as well noy universally acceptted that you should be McSterling. Nope? |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by dalaman: 7:18pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: You just made your OWN definition of God and want every body to accept it. You are a funny fellow. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in deities. Without context every thing loses its meaning. You know very well the context that is in use and what the atheist here mean when they say they do not believe in God. You just love playing your semantics game. Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism In religious belief, a deity (Listeni/ˈdiː.ɨti/ or Listeni/ˈdeɪ.ɨti/)[1] is a supernatural being, who may be thought of as holy, divine, or sacred. Some religions have one supreme deity, while others have multiple deities of various ranks. C. Scott Littleton's Gods, Goddesses, and Mythology defined a deity as "a being with powers greater than those of ordinary humans, but who interacts with humans, positively or negatively, in ways that carry humans to new levels of consciousness beyond the grounded preoccupations of ordinary life A deity is simply defined as In religious belief, a deity is a supernatural being, who may be thought of as holy, divine, or sacred. Some religions have one supreme deity, while others have multiple deities of various ranks. C. Scott Littleton's Gods, Goddesses, and Mythology defined a deity as "a being with powers greater than those of ordinary humans, but who interacts with humans, positively or negatively, in ways that carry humans to new levels of consciousness beyond the grounded preoccupations of ordinary life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deity A stone is simply a stone, if someone claims a stone is God then in what context is the person claiming that the stone is God? Is he simplifying changing the name of the stone to God or is he claiming that the stone has some supernatural abilities. What makes a stone God? In the context we all know what God means here. I don't know why you like spending time dwelling on meaningless semantics. I remember when you used to support the atheist in the house like logicboy, mazaje and the likes in your arguments with the theist, you clearly stated that you were an atheist. Why? because you simply disbelieve in the christian and muslim deities. I believe your atheism was in context. Remove the context and everything goes. |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by FOLYKAZE(m): 7:19pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
frank317: Bla bla bla. What makes something a god? Is not when person or object is perceived as divine and worship? This is stone worship. The stone is God  Human worship where human is a god  [img]http://wordinfo.info/words/images/zoo-zoolatry-bull-women.gif[/img] [img]https://thetalkingpot.files./2014/01/snakeworship.jpg?w=652[/img]   [img]https://espiritokashi.files./2012/04/cow-worship.jpg[/img] [img]http://img.rasset.ie/0009aa03-942.jpg[/img] Do I need to list for you numbers of object worship in different cultures? What do they call those things been worshipped pls? Is it President or Governor or Chairman or God? |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by FOLYKAZE(m): 7:26pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
dalaman: [img]http://img.rasset.ie/0009aa03-942.jpg[/img] What is been worship there? What do those worshipoers call it? Deit or cow? |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by dalaman: 7:52pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: Which religion is this? Did she tell you she is worshipping the cow or simply revering it? The picture says nothing. You didn't give me the name of the religion, you just posted a picture of a woman bowing to a cow and say she is worshipping it. People bow down to each other and other creatures in acts of reverence, it has nothing to do with worship. until you tell me the name of her religion I can't make anything of it. |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by FOLYKAZE(m): 8:51pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
dalaman: This is traced to Egyptian religion. The bull deity is called Apis |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by dalaman: 9:24pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: Not true, the image you have up there is of a Nepalese woman during the gai puja(A five day Hindu festival as part of the Tihar). Hindus actually do not believe in cows as their deity. Hindus believe in the supreme being Brahma and other less Gods like Lord Shiva, Vishnu etc. A simple Google search of the picture revealed the parent source or original source of the picture. Here is the original source for the picture. It has nothing to do with Apis. Apis in ancient Egyptian mythology was actually a divine animal which has "marks by which the black bull-calf was recognized, the manner of his conception by a ray from heaven, his house at Memphis with court for disporting himself, the mode of prognostication from his actions, the mourning at his death, his costly burial, and the rejoicings throughout the country when a new Apis was found" according to Wikipedia. Apis was not your ordinary cow. My point still remains. You claimed you are an atheist, atheist to what? Didn't you know that people worshipped the sun, the moon and the rivers before you stated that you were an atheist? Context my friend, context. |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by frank317: 10:56pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: So? These imagines u present are not God to me. They are nothing but cow, stone, human and tree. How does that change anything? I don't believe a cow, stone, a human or a tree is a god. So what are u saying? Are u sure u are okay? OK pls just try and prove to me that a tree is a God. |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by Esdb3: 11:26pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: One you all are derailing my thread i asked about spirituality not God. The case on the 'g' differentiates them. Plus now I see the importance of what the Jehovah witness stress on. God is actually a title like president chairman- his real name is Yaweh. And smart-ass God is defined as: God - /ɡɒd/ noun 1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. 2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity. 3. a greatly admired or influential person. 4. the gallery in a theatre. |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:35am On Aug 01, 2015 |
dalaman: 1. The picture I posted is one of the random search result of 'cow worship'. 2. Apis is a bull deity of egyptian religion. While I was too forward looking for a religion where bull/cow is worship and not seeing you asked for the woman religion, the picture and Apis answer provided an evidence that at a point in time and as adopted by different cultures, Bull, Calf and Cow were once worshipped. 3. Answering your question, the lady is an Hindu and what she is doing is called Go Puja. You can spell it as gho pooja.Go mean cow. Like in go mata which mean mother cow. While puja mean worship. Puja is an Hindu form or act of worship which involve rituals, offerings and prayer for a deity partaking by an individual or family in a home shrine or by member of sect in a temple. It is performed to appease to a God or deities and any divine entities. http://hindudharmikservices.com/Pooja.aspx Puja in english is worship https://translate.google.com/m?hl=en&sl=en&tl=hi&ie=UTF-8&prev=_m&q=worship Like the rising sun, and other natural entities, puja is also directed to Kamadhenu. Kamadhenu is the sacred cow, is a part and parcel of Hindu mythology. She is the cow, which grants all wishes and desires. Amongst orthodox Hindus she is worshipped on the first of vaishakh, when Brahma created the cow. The milkmen paint the horns and hoofs of their cattle yellow or saffron and bathe them in the river. https://parashakthitemple.org/kamadhenu-ambika.aspx Gho Puja means worshipping Goddess Kamadhenu which mean cow worshipping. They actually might perceive their puja is meant for Kamadhenu and not the bag of flesh. While actually what they worship is the sacred cow. http://www.priestservices.com/our-services/gho-pooja http://vedichomas.com/gho-pooja/ I dont even understand how you expect them to call what they worship with common name. It like saying an Ifa priest should call divination palm fruit 'ekuro'. There would no be diffference between what they worship and what the people see as commodity.To Ifa priest, palm fruit is calked Ikin while to commoners it is called Ekuro. Same applies to Hindi puja. The cow are called Kamadhenu meaning the sacred cow. That is the deity and not the bag of flesh you eat. These are some videos. Pls watch how they pray, make an offering and decoration are made. These acts are practices of puja for a deity, what I see in the video simple is puja for a cow which mean it is the deity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzga_YdYAgg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7ZKPLNi8do&itct=CDUQpDAYAiITCOSm4uC8hscCFYSzfgodJccLd1IHZ28gcHVqYQ%3D%3D&client=mv-google&hl=en&gl=US https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7ZKPLNi8do&itct=CDUQpDAYAiITCOSm4uC8hscCFYSzfgodJccLd1IHZ28gcHVqYQ%3D%3D&client=mv-google&hl=en&gl=US After all that is provided, lets analyse the word Gho pooja or Go puja From the novel Godaan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godaan which mean The gift of the cow. And the cultural word Go Maat which mean Mother cow, it is evident that Gho or go is an hindi word for cow. Also, puja mean worshipping https://translate.google.com/m?hl=en&sl=en&tl=hi&ie=ISO-8859-1&prev=_m&q=Worship Finally, Gho pooja mean cow worship http://www.krishna.com/service-cow . Therefore, the woman in that picture is worshipping a cow. . .which represent a deity called Kamadhenu meaning the sacred cow. A side note, reverence is the samething as worship. https://www.google.com/search?&q=what+is+worship You cannot twist english word for your own purpose 4. Like my good friend would say, I am not truly an atheist but a seeker of enlightenment. I claimed to be an atheist becasue I do not believe in a God but as a spiritual atheist, I know that what a God represent really exist. I have argued in many place that Jehovah does not exist but as well exist an Idea. Sango exist as electric energy. There is even a thread on this. Just like the greek goddess Iustice, she does not exist as a lady that walk down the street with scale and swing sword around; here I am an atheist. But looking inwardly, she exist as equity of the law and justice in every society. Another Yoruba deity is Ogun which I believe exist as anything metalic. Truthfully I love everything about Deity and the powerful message their stories hold. I tend to look away from the allegory attached to this deities and find their original representation. I define spiritual atheism here https://www.nairaland.com/1583749/there-atheists-here-oppose-gay#20736730 |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:50am On Aug 01, 2015 |
frank317: Lol. Do you even know what God is? Mind sharing your view? What was in your mind when the dictionary define influencial men as God? Yet you are telling me man can never be god? For real? Let me wait for your view though |
| Re: Let An Atheist Answer This. by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:55am On Aug 01, 2015 |
Esdb3: You asked about God and also spirituality na. Secondly God is not a proper noun and should not be capitalized. I dont need to teach you proper and common noun. So abeg turn left |
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