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Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:08pm On Oct 02, 2015
gbaskiphylle:

Thank you Dalaman....I don't know if it is pride or brainwashing that has made christians not to admit that there are contradictions in the bible.

There are discrepancies in the presented historical events in the bible due to various possible reasons which even I have admitted to . A quick example :

The death of Asa Baasha in the bible . Two different verses in the bible hold what appears to be different time or periods of his death .

I believe Malvisguy does not believe in allah.;but why I ask? Because allah is not god. What then gives you the certainty that your god is the True god?...what if you are wrong? Have you ever considered the posibility? Are you then saying that all others who do not share your faith are doomed for your hell?

The wrong practice of religion gives the illusion of different Supreme Beings and Hells

Even the various factions in christianity have condemned each other to hell because of differences in belief system...

The "differences" in the belief system was addressed

2 Timothy 4:3

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Love your fellowman and be true to yourself

The words of Christ in the bible :

Mark 12:30-31

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.


Christ clearly said that loving one's neighbour as one's self is the greatest commandment

Plus Ephesians 4:7 talks about being true to one's self

7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

that's the best religion!

Off course ... no doubts !

Acts 11:26
26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.


Christians believe in Jesus Christ and his teachings which consists too of loving one another and being true to one's self .Christianity is a religion that is based on the teachings of Christ , Jesus Christ of Nazareth

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Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by Krystalzkris(f): 3:36pm On Oct 02, 2015
trapQ:
First of all you need to be liberal and open minded. I have seen demons, a lot of them. And don't come saying its hallucination and all that. I suppose you must have had nightmares at least once in your lifetime. I mean that scary experience you(must have) had in your sleep that seemed like it actually happened in real life. A nightmare is actually a "demon", not a scary dream;you can google it. Those experiences and nightmares you see, science has proven them to be REAL. When this occurs, you are unable to speak, you lie in terror until consciousness is regained. The whites call this "sleep paralysis" but every believer knows it as "spiritual attacks". There is no scientific as to why this occurs.

The bible speaks of a place called HELL and it is supposedly below the earth. To prove this, scientists recently discovered a place considered to be the gateway to hell. There are some many facts, evidences and prophecies that have been fufilled which the scriptures spoke of.

Archeologists have uncovered proof that the red sea crossing took place, and the sodom and gomorrah tragedy also; and lots more.

A lot of "credible" and "authentic" miracles have taken place. You should google "head burst open, anointing water" and you'll see a real miracle and pls don't say it was edited. Also you can read up "dimensions". It has to do with physics. It explains how we are 3rd dimensional beings and how beings in higher dimensions (eg spirits which are in 4th dimension) can pass through walls because of their high vibrational frequencies. They also move faster than the speed of light. This is "physics", not fiction.

When you give your life to christ, he will open your spiritual eyes and see many things. True belivers have "guardian angels" around them. And GOD can open your eyes to see your guardian angel if you are faithful to him and ask him.
sleep paralysis is now demons.. Lol.. Nothing wey ah no go hear,dude please google about sleep paralysis if u know nothing about it.. Can u please describe what ur own guardian angel looks like
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by frank317: 3:58pm On Oct 02, 2015
trapQ:
You need serious help... What every reasonable person wouldve done first would be to check if the video was edited. But no, yours is outside the box. We both know that the very best of nollywood can't pull off that trick. You are the very reason nigeria is in crisis. You see the truth, but instead of carrying out research, you debunk those claims.
How does someone fake a liquid erupting from the head in an un-edited video

You're not even in the medical field to know the nature of the illness and if it needed some region of the face to be swollen. I'm a medical doctor and every medical practitioner knows of such cases.

You need JESUS. Pls don't @ me again

oh pls... if you are a medical doctor... then i really pity your patients. i for one will never need u for consultation because u are a disgrace to ur profession.

did you scrutinize my observation? did i talk about the video being edited? Its obvious that the video was not edited so lets not go there. Editing is not the only way falsehood can be shown in a video.
Go back and watch the movie and take every question into account and for once in your medical life act like one!!
I doubt you are a medical doctor because professionalism would be displayed in your write up. you actually sound like someone who did not see the four walls of any kind of educational institution.
Dreams are demons? WTF. Bia... do not ever call urself a doctor in this forum because it can actual;y get you arrested.
Whats the name of the illness? why is it painless? whats the cause? is it deadly? can the boy head a foot ball with it and feel no pain?
medical doctor indeed.
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by frank317: 3:58pm On Oct 02, 2015
Krystalzkris:
sleep paralysis is now demons.. Lol.. Nothing wey ah no go hear,dude please google about sleep paralysis if u know nothing about it.. Can u please describe what ur own guardian angel looks like

The craziest part is that the guy calls himself a medical doctor. can you imagine such alacrity?
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by Antiparticle(m): 4:03pm On Oct 02, 2015
If you are going to claim that I just pick out points to disagree upon and "argue", then please at least don't be duplicitous.
You started off saying atheism has nothing to do with morality but in your previous post, you stylishly contradicted yourself my making claims around atheists wanting to "escape from morality". If you say you want to have a honest conversation, then making duplicitous statements poisons the honesty of such conversation.

bstringz:

What every atheist needs to do is SITDOWN and really do some soul searching. Why don't you just give God a try since most of you all ready claim to be moral and I believe u are. Unless you just wanna live a life that you know is not what God demands hence you use atheism as escapism from morality

Also, in your post below, you imply that if someone seeks God, that person will indeed find God. Well, I think I repeatedly explained in my previous posts in this forum about my search for God. Unfortunately this search led me to find that many of truth claims of Christianity are just not true. If you claim that I am just cherry picking your posts to "argue", then I would say that you are not even reading my posts at all! How can you come out and say that atheists should "SITDOWN and really do some soul searching and... give God a try" yet you dismiss what many atheists have already told you about their search for God?! Are you a good enough mind reader to know that these atheists are lying? Abeg if you are going to tell me that I am not listening, please check yourself first and look in the mirror. It is clear that you have not patiently read any of my posts on this thread.

Also, you claim that your "God can always prove himself in his on time HE IS GOD!", yet your God has failed to prove himself to many honest non-theists like me. This is a clear contradiction to your claim.

Additionally, you claim that you are not skeptic or doubtful about the Koran. This is another duplicitous and intellectually dishonest statement again. If you are not duplicitous or skeptical about the Koran, this means you believe every word of the Koran and are a Muslim as well. Are you a Muslim? The answer is no. Therefore, your statement is duplicitous.

If you want anyone to listen to you, you need to first be intellectually honest but I am afraid that you are not being so. Cheers and no offense.

bstringz:
Someone can be a good person without knowing christ. Like I said in my post if you read it at all, or all u do is just pick out points to disagree upon and "argue". I said I believe many atheists are morally upstanding. But morality is not enough because as much as we are good we are still human, imperfect.
,selfish and Christianity demands selflessness and so much more things that could only be done when u know christ, not in our morality
That's why the bible says "OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS (MORALITY) IS AS FILTHY RAGS BEFORE THE LORD" when we claim to be moral, the lord still sees so much flaws that only christ can settle.

If you read my posts I encourage you to ask questions, Even God doesn't want u following him blindly like many Christians who were indoctrinated into it. God wants you to ask questions and have answers, but you probably would never find one if you keep seeking it the way many of you do, seems you already have your answer but u still claim to need answers wen u already have "found" it.

Finally anti-particle I may not argue the way u want probably ur a good historian and scientist and all, am not. You argue from the knowledge you have, I argue from the little knowledge God in his mercies has revealed to me.
What is your definition of "listen" does it mean somebody openly telling me on this forum "Am listening, you are convincing me" I don't think any of you would do that if that's what u mean
But am sure someone is listening, reading this thread and deciding to check this God out and see if what am saying is all bollocks. Someone who is at the point of falling from Knowing christ and fall to unbelief would one day come across this thread and his/her faith would come alive.
am not forcing you,i can't convince you for My God.
AGAIN logic and Christianity don't mix that's why my posts may not even sound logical, am sorry. That's just what Christianity is all about its all about FAITH. AND the bible tells me that faith comes by hearing the word of God. Not by logic, historical data, or whatever. By the word of God.
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by malvisguy212: 4:27pm On Oct 02, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


Lol ... Dalaman claims to have read all three religious books - bible , koran and Hindus' book - and does not know who Moses is or what he did grin

Brother Dalaman you need Jesus wink
thank you my brother.
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by djdoxxx(m): 5:02pm On Oct 02, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


same applies to you



ok



same applies to you
Most Times, I Wonder If You Read And Understand Your Own Posts Not To Talk Of The Rebuttals To Them?! I Am Always Like WTF! Explain How Johnnydon22 Ever Placed His Facts And Beliefs On Superstitions? Pity...
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by trapQ: 5:15pm On Oct 02, 2015
The problem with the world is that people just blindly refuse to study and be liberal. I've had sleep paralysis since I knew myself as a human being. I'm fully aware of what I'm saying.

I need not reply you anymore. You'll find out the truth but it may too late then.

Lastly, you should google "phil schneider", an american who worked with the US govt. He threatened to expose the USA govt about making contact with aliens and collaborating with them to do many things. He spoke out openly about it, but on the day he was going to release all the evidence, he was assinated.
Be enlightened
Krystalzkris:
sleep paralysis is now demons.. Lol.. Nothing wey ah no go hear,dude please google about sleep paralysis if u know nothing about it.. Can u please describe what ur own guardian angel looks like
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by frank317: 5:46pm On Oct 02, 2015
trapQ:
The problem with the world is that people just blindly refuse to study and be liberal. I've had sleep paralysis since I knew myself as a human being. I'm fully aware of what I'm saying.

I need not reply you anymore. You'll find out the truth but it may too late then.

Lastly, you should google "phil schneider", an american who worked with the US govt. He threatened to expose the USA govt about making contact with aliens and collaborating with them to do many things. He spoke out openly about it, but on the day he was going to release all the evidence, he was assinated.
Be enlightened

pls for your own good, stop replying and close your account on nairaland. your posts reeks for ignorance. and pls never call yourself a medical doctor again
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by Antiparticle(m): 5:49pm On Oct 02, 2015
lwkmd! You are a medical doctor? I'm scared for your patients o.
Wow. Abeg please start reading good books (on science and the use of logic) and stop peddling rumors and then presenting them as fact. This has nothing with your being a theist... you just need to develop the skill of rationally sifting through evidence before arriving at conclusions.

I am very afraid for your patients. embarassed
trapQ:
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Lastly, you should google "phil schneider", an american who worked with the US govt. He threatened to expose the USA govt about making contact with aliens and collaborating with them to do many things. He spoke out openly about it, but on the day he was going to release all the evidence, he was assinated.
Be enlightened
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by Krystalzkris(f): 5:53pm On Oct 02, 2015
frank317:


The craziest part is that the guy calls himself a medical doctor. can you imagine such alacrity?
i swear eh,d tin tire me.. If i had not had the experience before,I would have considered believing him,,when i didnt know what it was,i reported to my guardians and the next tin i knew i was taken for prayers,funny enough,after the binding and castings,i still experienced it,until i had to research about it.. Sleep paralysis is not demonic,i wonder why the truth is too hard for people too believe

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Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by Krystalzkris(f): 5:59pm On Oct 02, 2015
trapQ:
The problem with the world is that people just blindly refuse to study and be liberal. I've had sleep paralysis since I knew myself as a human being. I'm fully aware of what I'm saying.

I need not reply you anymore. You'll find out the truth but it may too late then.

Lastly, you should google "phil schneider", an american who worked with the US govt. He threatened to expose the USA govt about making contact with aliens and collaborating with them to do many things. He spoke out openly about it, but on the day he was going to release all the evidence, he was assinated.
Be enlightened
wetin concern this post with aliens and US govt and ur Phil Schneider.... Its a pity,that this statement is coming from a doctor.. Incase,u didnt understand me the last time,please google sleep paralysis,its not demonic.. Dont let ur ignorance kill you
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:21pm On Oct 02, 2015
djdoxxx:
Most Times, I Wonder If You Read And Understand Your Own Posts Not To Talk Of The Rebuttals To Them?! I Am Always Like WTF! Explain How Johnnydon22 Ever Placed His Facts And Beliefs On Superstitions? Pity...

Its a different ball game when I argue with johnydon22 . Its always a fruitless argument , so I give him what he wants to read to feel adequate . Its called having fun wink

Have you noticed that John has recently stopped parading himself as someone tolerant of other people's beliefs after I had schooled him on what it means to be a bigot and being tolerant smiley .

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Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by bstringz(m): 6:41pm On Oct 02, 2015
@anti particle can you explain to me your search for God, can u detail it for me lemme see. Am very sure God revealed himself to you if your sure you honestly seemed him without any doubt.

Is it possible you had already stated being skeptical before embarking on this search?
Is it possible that God revealed himself to u but it wasn't as dramatic as you would have wanted it to be, hence not convincing enough for you?

I believe in the God of My Bible, being skeptical about The Islam religion is me not even taking time out to even study it at all, but I did and I found it not to be what I wanted
But then you have told me you have searched for God and he didn't reveal himself to you, well at this point I don't have anything or say again, cos it would be pointless.

Was your search for God based on wanting to believe in him or just an intellectual study of God. Do you know that they are many Christian scholars who are not Christian (regenerated)

Finally, this your if you want anyone to listen to you.... And I ask, how do u listen to me?? When you start listening to me would you tell me on this forum that you have now started listening to me??

Also you have told me no offense in almost all your post, are you trying to get me offended?? Well, am not offended bro. Am not trying to convince you am just saying what I believe in.

In your personal time read psalms 53.
Cheers!!!!
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by djdoxxx(m): 6:58pm On Oct 02, 2015
@bstringz...From Your Post, U Said 1) God Doesn't Need The Killings Of People. 2) Jesus Never Taught And Wanted People To Be Killed. 3) The Old Testament Should Not Be Followed, We Should Live By The New Testament Which Jesus Himself Preached About......Now, Good!!! This Is A Clear Rebuttal To All Ur Statements...I Will Take You By The Hand And Show You From Your Bible 1)How Wrong You Are 2) How You Have Been Indoctrinated And Deceived By Your Pastors 3) How Much Of The Bible You Dont Know But Brag About And Think You Know.4) How Lazy,Myopic, Intellectually Lazy You Have Been As You Obviously Dont Know What The Bible Entails 5)How The Holy Spirit If It Existed Would Have Shown You These Things You Have Never Come Across Yet You Parade Yourself As Being Born Again 6) How Much Of An Hypocrite You Have Been And Will Continue To Be If After I Show You Your Bible Contradicts All Your Three Above Statements.
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by djdoxxx(m): 7:22pm On Oct 02, 2015
[/quote] @bstringz...God Intstructed The Isrealites Who He Considered As His People To Kill Their Own Children If The Children Disobeyed Or Curse Them...He Went Further To Instruct Them To Stone To Death Any Child That Is An Alcoholic And Disobedient... Take A Look At One Bible Passage Here...I Will Start From Verse 7 So You Can Know It Is Your God Talking...Leviticus 20:7 - Consecrate Yourselves Therefore,and Be Holy,for I Am The Lord Your God ...Verse 8 - And You Shall Keep My Statutes,and Perform Them: I Am The Lord Who Sanctifies You...Verse 9 - For Everyone Who Curses His Father Or His Mother Shall Surely Be Put To Death. He Has Cursed His Father And His Mother. His Blood Shall Be Upon Him.......Are You Still Not Convinced Your God's Instruction To Your Rebellious Child Is To Be Put To Death? Can You Follow His Instruction And Statutes To Kill Your Own Child For Merely Cursing You, @bstringz And Kingebukablog ?
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by djdoxxx(m): 7:34pm On Oct 02, 2015
@bstringz, Exodus 21 : 17 - And He Who Curses His Father Or His Mother Shall Surely Be Put To Death.....This Again Shows Your God Aint Joking About Parents Murdering Their Own Children...This To Me Is A Statute Of A Blood Thirsty Demon...
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by dalaman: 7:44pm On Oct 02, 2015
trapQ:
Read and comprehend, I said "archeologists". Not some "shoddy christian fundamentalist"

Bye!!!

Which archaeologist?
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:44pm On Oct 02, 2015
djdoxxx:
@bstringz...God Intstructed The Isrealites Who He Considered As His People To Kill Their Own Children If The Children Disobeyed Or Curse Them...He Went Further To Instruct Them To Stone To Death Any Child That Is An Alcoholic And Disobedient... Take A Look At One Bible Passage Here...I Will Start From Verse 7 So You Can Know It Is Your God Talking...Leviticus 20:7 - Consecrate Yourselves Therefore,and Be Holy,for I Am The Lord Your God ...Verse 8 - And You Shall Keep My Statutes,and Perform Them: I Am The Lord Who Sanctifies You...Verse 9 - For Everyone Who Curses His Father Or His Mother Shall Surely Be Put To Death. He Has Cursed His Father And His Mother. His Blood Shall Be Upon Him.......Are You Still Not Convinced Your God's Instruction To Your Rebellious Child Is To Be Put To Death? Can You Follow His Instruction And Statutes To Kill Your Own Child For Merely Cursing You, @bstringz And Kingebukablog ?

I don't converse with embryos when it comes to inane misinterpretations like this .
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by dalaman: 7:49pm On Oct 02, 2015
malvisguy212:
did Moses kill to oppress people ? Did Moses kill for political power ? During the time of Moses, the Jews are a small nation compear to others , but their neighbouring nation oppress them and harvest their crop. But hitler and Stalin are men who are fighting for their own selfish interest. If God favour the Jews , why did He allow hitler to kill soo many Jews ? That is to say God who is a God of justice can punished His children for disobedient.

Moses killed to oppress and steal the land that belongs to other people. Moses and others invaded the lands of others because their God said he they should drive the people out and take the lands because the lands were flowing with milk and honey.

16"Go and gather the elders of Israel together and say to them, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, has appeared to me, saying, "I am indeed concerned about you and what has been done to you in Egypt. 17"So I said, I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt to the land of the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Amorite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, to a land flowing with milk and honey."' Exodus 3:16-17

According to the bible the Jews were promised the land of others even when they were in captivity in Egypt. The God of the Jews could not provide them with a land flowing with milk and honey and told them to go and kill off the others and steal their lands. Moses was no different from Hitler and other land grabbers. If he was alive in today's world he would have been labelled a war criminal.
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by Antiparticle(m): 7:52pm On Oct 02, 2015
@bstringz
I don't owe you an explanation about my search for God bro. But let me start here.

I can tell you that I was born into a Christian family... and for the past decade and half (up until sometime within the past year) I was a very strong and genuine Christian. I really tried hard to follow God. But certain things that happened in my life and in the life of people I loved caused me to start asking critical questions a few years ago about the role of God in the empirical world. I became deeply curious about if God was indeed interventionist, if he was an active observer, or if he was just a passive observer in the world. I was deeply and genuinely Christian during this time... I spoke to other solid believers and leaders of my fellowships/church (whom I mostly still respect) about it and we would think it through together. I also read lots of books by deep-thinking Christian theologians. Sometimes I would get satisfactory answers, sometimes I wouldn't. But I didn't make a big deal of the lack of answers. I also, as you would expect of any genuine Christian, prayed a lot for God to help me work through these things.

For at least seven of the last ten years that I was a passionate Christian, I had all these doubts. Yet, they didn't change the extent of my belief in God as I had strong "unshakeable" faith. The straw that gradually began to break the camel's back was when I started doing my own readings on world history and apologetic theology over the past three years. Through these past three years I prayed and prayed that God should reveal "Himself" to me. During these years, I also started to become sensitive to the contradictions and homicidal/genocidal/infanticidal acts by God in the Bible... yet I explained them away so I could preserve my faith. I still hadn't lost my faith.

Notwithstanding, I realized that all miracles that ever happened to me or anyone I knew or heard about could not stand the test of empirical scrutiny (as a physicist/statistician/engineer, this was so easy to recognize). The notion that God answered prayers, too, failed to be true when placed beside control experiments.

One thing I also thought of a lot: if God was interventionist and if "He" performed miracles like healing @KingEbukasBlog's twisted and badly swollen ankle, why didn't he intervene when African slaves (most of whom had become Christian when they arrived the Americas) prayed that he free them during the multiple-hundred-years-long captivity by European Americans? It makes no sense that a just interventionist God would consistently ignore bigger atrocities yet perform instant miracles when it came to things like hurting ankles. This dealt a big slap to my idea of a God of justice. The Old and New Testaments promise an interventionist God of justice, but I began to realize that "He" has been no where to be found. At this point, I still hadn't stopped being Christian though I was already heavily discouraged.

What began the radical shattering of any semblance of my Christianity and theism was my research on the authenticity and reliability of the story of Jesus's resurrection. Prior to that, I had still chosen to believe everything by faith because I had thought that my concerns were inconsequential if Jesus indeed resurrected and rose from the grave. Well, quickly into my research I realized that it is commonly accepted knowledge (amongst dead sea scroll researchers and academic theologians) that the earliest versions of the book of Mark (the oldest Gospel) had nothing about the resurrection story in it. It was in the later versions (that other people had copied and rewritten) decades after that the story had inexplicably become included.

There, also, was no external evidence, EVER, of any of the miracles that Jesus did. I mean, NONE! Jesus lived during the Roman Empire. This empire had well-read literate historians who wrote down the most remarkable things that happened even three hundred years before Christ was born. The Romans were an extremely well-organized and powerful empire. Yet, they said nothing about Jesus' miracles or resurrection story. Admittedly, one historian by the name of Josephus wrote about the existence of someone who some people today think was Jesus, but even Josephus made no notes about his supposed resurrection or miracles. This started to raise massive red flags that I couldn't ignore. I realized that the miracles stories of the Bible were written at a time of vast superstition... it was a time when several false miracle stories abounded... monarchs & certain humans were considered divine, etc. Without external evidence, this was what truly shattered the credibility of the Bible.

The revisionist history of Christianity didn't help either (I discussed this in a previous post).

My exit from Christianity was unplanned and shocking, even to me. I had realized that it was all a sham. I was in a state of panic for six weeks as almost all my friends are strong Christians. Same for my immediate family. No one in my immediate family knows yet, and I am still concerned at the outcome if any one of them finds out (though that may change in due time).

I am very surprised that it would be someone like me, with so much faith at the time, that would become non-theist. But now it makes sense... I was always the kid who asked lots of questions in class. I was always the kid who wanted to know how something worked. It was only a matter of time before something in my life caused me to start asking critical questions about Jesus/God. This is how it happened.

You think that I decided to stop being theist because it would benefit me? As an act of self-preservation I had chosen to keep believing in faith for as long as I could, until I realized that faith in the face of overwhelmingly conflicting evidence was false. Being non-theist hasn't changed my behavior whatsoever...the only thing that has changed is that I don't believe in theological/spiritual fairy tales any more... I don't engage in futile prayers anymore... I don't starve myself in the name of fasting anymore... I don't go to church anymore unless I want to go hang out with my friends there and enjoy the community of people that I like there, etc.

So, there it is.

PS: In response to the comment on your first sentence: how could you be "very sure God revealed himself to [me] if [I] honestly [sought] him without any doubt"? Are you a mind reader? Or you say this because it is somewhere in the Bible? Dude, I know Hebrews 11:6 states that God will "reward those who earnestly seek him", but I now know that this is not true.

PS: Please no one should quote this post. It is just too long! lolz

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Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by dalaman: 7:52pm On Oct 02, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


Lol ... Dalaman claims to have read all three religious books - bible , koran and Hindus' book - and does not know who Moses is or what he did grin

Brother Dalaman you need Jesus wink


Moses was a war criminal who shared virgins as war booty.

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Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by dalaman: 8:04pm On Oct 02, 2015
Antiparticle:
@bstringz
One thing I also thought of a lot: if God was interventionist and if "He" performed miracles like healing @KingEbukasBlog's twisted and badly swollen ankle, why didn't he intervene when black slaves (most of whom had become Christian when they arrived the Americas) prayed that he free them during the hundreds-year-long captivity by European Americans? It makes no sense that a just interventionist God would consistently ignore bigger atrocities yet perform instant miracles when it came to things like hurting ankles. This dealt a big slap to my idea of a God of justice. The Old and New Testaments promise an interventionist God of justice, but I began to realize that "He" has been no where to be found. At this point, I still hadn't stopped being Christian though I was already heavily discouraged..

God healed KingEbukasBlog's ankle in a little over a month, instantly healed his swollen face, gave him good room mates but could not save the countless christians that have been constantly calling on his name in the North East and other parts of the north from the hands of boko haram. Boko haram gather christians inside churches and burned them up during sunday service, these christians prayed their minds out begging their God to confuse the boko haram members or turn them blind and rescue them, the boko haram members laugh at them and burn them up. When it matters this God is never there only when people like KingEbukasBlog need good room mate then he is there to answer them. Ridiculous thrash.

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Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:06pm On Oct 02, 2015
According to you , the bible is mythology and the story of Moses is mythical . Remember ?

Why should I bother discussing mythology with you . Since Solomon is mythical , Moses is also mythical . Case closed . Your own words below

dalaman:


I said Solomon is a mythical character. Stop referring me to mythical characters when interacting with me.
dalaman:



More assumptions on your part. Where did I state that I am waiting for evidence to prove any God's existence? I said I will wait for evidence that will show how the universe was created or what was responsible for it's creation. And it is not the Gods of man made religions because they are all man made. Yahweh, Allah, Brahma, Zeus, Ra etc are all man made creations. They have nothing to do with the creation of the universe because men crated this God entities and wrote down fictitious and mythological stories about them.
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:11pm On Oct 02, 2015
dalaman:


God healed KingEbukasBlog's ankle in a little over a month, instantly healed his ankle, gave him good room mates but could not save the countless christians that have been constantly calling on his name in the North East and other parts of the north from the hands of boko haram. Boko haram gather christians inside churches and burn them up during sunday serive, these christians pray their minds out begging their God to confuse the boko haram members or turn them blind and rescue them, the boko haram members laugh at them and burn them up. When it matters this God is never there only when people like KingEbukasBlog need good room mate then he is there to answer them. Ridiculous thrash.

Stop making assumptions . Do you stay in the North East ?
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by djdoxxx(m): 8:12pm On Oct 02, 2015
Not Satisfied Quickly Study This Passage In Deuteronomy 21 : 18 - If A Man Has A Rebellious Son Who Will Not Obey The Voice Of His Father Or The Voice Of His Mother, And Who, When They Have Chastened Him,will Not Heed Them, 19 - Then His Father And His Mother Shall Take Hold Of Him And Bring Him Out To The Elders Of His City, To The Gate Of His City... 20 - And They Shall Say To The Elders Of His City, ' This Son Of Ours Is Stubborn And Rebellious; He Will Not Obey Our Voice, He Is A Glutton And A Drunkard.' ...21 - Then All The Men Of His City Shall Stone Him To Death With Stones; So You Shall Put Away Evil From Among You, And All Isreal Shall Hear And Fear........This Is Interesting!!! Thousands Of People, If Not Millions Would Have Died Following This Law Of Your God...This Alone Is Just One Part Of His Law Towards Children...He Ofcourse Has So Many Blood-sucking Laws...I Wonder What Would Have Been Of Us If These Laws Were Not Abolished... @bstringz, Would You Kill Your Child For Being Rebellious?
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by djdoxxx(m): 8:17pm On Oct 02, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


I don't converse with embryos when it comes to inane misinterpretations like this .
What A Sane Response From A Septogenerian?!!! grin
KingEbukasBlog:


I don't converse with embryos when it comes to inane misinterpretations like this .
What A Sane Response From A Septogenerian?!!!
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by dalaman: 8:20pm On Oct 02, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


Stop making assumptions . Do you stay in the North East ?

I'll look for the story and post it here, some one once posted it here, let me search for it and see if I can find it.
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by djdoxxx(m): 8:22pm On Oct 02, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


I don't converse with embryos when it comes to inane misinterpretations like this .
What A Sane Reponse From A Septogenerian?!! Buzz Off Coward!!! Next Please, Lets See What Bstringz And Other Christian Bigots Have Gat To Say...
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:24pm On Oct 02, 2015
djdoxxx:
What A Sane Response From A Septogenerian?!!! grin What A Sane Response From A Septogenerian?!!!

Christ came and put an end to all those Jewish rules & laws of the Old Testament .

Are you happy now undecided

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Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by dalaman: 8:29pm On Oct 02, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:
According to you , the bible is mythology and the story of Moses is mythical . Remember ?

Why should I bother discussing mythology with you . Since Solomon is mythical , Moses is also mythical . Case closed . Your own words below



Please do some study on the origin of the Hebrew people and what historians have to say on the conquest of Canaan.
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by bstringz(m): 8:32pm On Oct 02, 2015
Bro, that's why I keep insisting you read and study
Faith is not equal to not reasoning properly... No, faith is having a personal conviction of something.
How was the depiction of God in the old testament barbaric? Bro if God just delighted in killing us all he wouldn't have created such a beautiful Garden and planted Man inside

But man WILLFULLY sinned against God, just like many of us do... You do a lot of things today that God didn't like why are you not dead yet At the very heart of this question lies a
fundamental misunderstanding of what both the Old
and New Testaments reveal about the nature of
God. Another way of expressing this same basic
thought is when people say, “The God of the Old
Testament is a God of wrath while the God of the
New Testament is a God of love.” The fact that the
Bible is God’s progressive revelation of Himself to
us through historical events and through His
relationship with people throughout history might
contribute to misconceptions about what God is
like in the Old Testament as compared to the New
Testament. However, when one reads both the Old
and the New Testaments, it becomes evident that
God is not different from one testament to another
and that God’s wrath and His love are revealed in
both testaments.
For example, throughout the Old Testament, God is
declared to be a “compassionate and gracious God,
slow to anger, abounding in love and
faithfulness,” (Exodus 34:6 ; Numbers 14:18 ;
Deuteronomy 4:31 ; Nehemiah 9:17 ; Psalm 86:5 ,
15 ; 108:4 ; 145:8 ; Joel 2:13 ). Yet in the New
Testament, God’s loving-kindness and mercy are
manifested even more fully through the fact that
“God so loved the world that he gave his one and
only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not
perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16 ).
Throughout the Old Testament, we also see God
dealing with Israel the same way a loving father
deals with a child. When they willfully sinned
against Him and began to worship idols, God would
punish them. Yet, each time He would deliver them
once they had repented of their idolatry. This is
much the same way God deals with Christians in
the New Testament. For example, Hebrews 12:6
tells us that “the Lord disciplines those he loves,
and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son.”
In a similar way, throughout the Old Testament we
see God’s judgment and wrath poured out on sin.
Likewise, in the New Testament we see that the
wrath of God is still “being revealed from heaven
against all the godlessness and wickedness of men
who suppress the truth by their
wickedness” ( Romans 1:18 ). So, clearly, God is no
different in the Old Testament than He is in the New
Testament. God by His very nature is immutable
(unchanging). While we might see one aspect of His
nature revealed in certain passages of Scripture
more than other aspects, God Himself does not
change.

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