FighterPilot:


Nobody can ever deny that most of the 419 scams in SA are championed by Nigerian nationals. Your unfortunate businessman caught up with his brothers in diaspora and they duped him big time.

Speculations.The accused company is a registered south african firm,how can a SA firm be owned Nigerians in diaspora?.DODO!!

Patchesagain:


Is border policing a combat deployment?

Are they fighting against heavy weapons, an organzied foe etc?

They are walking along a fence and turning back illegal immigrants

Nope, SANDF is fighting against armed Guma Guma gangs who kill, rob, r.ape, etc. That is why the source says it's dangerous operation :

"SOUTH AFRICA: Troops reinforcing a porous and dangerous border".

Your troops wear no kits at all, doing a dangerous operation in a danger zone where SA police has surrendered to superior Guma Guma firepower, leading the SA govt to deploy army elite paratroops there. Your SANDF wear no kit in danger zone where bullets kill.

agaugust:


Nope, SANDF is fighting against armed Guma Guma gangs who kill, rob, r.ape, etc. That is why the source says it's dangerous operation :

"SOUTH AFRICA: Troops reinforcing a porous and dangerous border".

Your troops wear no kits at all, doing a dangerous operation in a danger zone where SA police has surrendered to superior Guma Guma firepower, leading the SA govt to deploy army elite paratroops there. Your SANDF wear no kit in danger zone where bullets kill.

Rapists would only be dangerous in the eyes of journalists but not military. No international rapist who cross the borders to rape women would force me to wear a helmet.

Agauguu tell us since you have become a master of helmets, tell us why these your champions not wearing helmets in a red area?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2922138_2874580112275638687057865159975984100710960956548n1jpeg77e5083d4425a6a1eb94f293af7cae13_jpegb33ed20437632e6be73ca8ee549a9010

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2922492_19713536822819852176191279802129n_jpeg4a2edfde75c4799b06bb02cd3709f59d

FighterPilot:


Rapists would only be dangerous in the eyes of journalists but not military. No international rapist who cross the borders to rape women would force me to wear a helmet.

Are you really a university graduate? Can you read simple English? The report says the gangs rob and kill, gangs so well armed that South African police with rifles have surrendered and handed over the fight to SANDF.

Fake BSc you have, you cannot even read your own source and quote correctly.

FighterPilot:
Agauguu tell us since you have become a master of helmets, tell us why these your champions not wearing helmets in a red area?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2922138_2874580112275638687057865159975984100710960956548n1jpeg77e5083d4425a6a1eb94f293af7cae13_jpegb33ed20437632e6be73ca8ee549a9010

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2922492_19713536822819852176191279802129n_jpeg4a2edfde75c4799b06bb02cd3709f59d

You need to prove they are in red area, mumu.

The second soldier has no gun, no rifle, not armed.

The first soldier is standing inside his securely fenced base fully protected by a high steel perimeter fence, see his sleeping tent and personal domestic household items behind him under his tent....you this fake military academy graduate, you cannot even identify an army base. Dundeee.

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[size=13pt] Zimbabwean Guma Guma gangs take over South African territory

= South African police runs away in surrender

= Zuma sends in army elite paratroops

= Guma gangs remain elusive and dribbles SANDF troops round in circles

= Reason why this SANDF soldier in the photo looks totally confused fighting Guma Guma

= Never mind his ZERO kit no helmet no body armour no extra bullet double wahala

[img]http://www.irinnews.org/photo/download.aspx?Source=Report&Year=2010&ImageID=201005261538140561&Width=490[/img]

"They say it’s a town that never sleeps, with business being conducted in the day and the nights being ruled by the notorious, heavily-armed predatorial guma guma gang who even the police are fear of.

Musina, South Africa’s gateway to Africa, is a criminally driven town gripped by fear of ruthless gangs of robbers and rapists preying on desperate people crossing the border in search of “a better life” this side of the Zimbabwe/South Africa border.

The well-armed predators are called the guma guma. Even police are afraid to challenge them."

http://www.thenewage.co.za/50085-1007-53-Special_report_Welcome_to_Musina_the_crime_town
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agaugust:


Nope, SANDF is fighting against armed Guma Guma gangs who kill, rob, r.ape, etc. That is why the source says it's dangerous operation :

"SOUTH AFRICA: Troops reinforcing a porous and dangerous border".

Your troops wear no kits at all, doing a dangerous operation in a danger zone where SA police has surrendered to superior Guma Guma firepower, leading the SA govt to deploy army elite paratroops there. Your SANDF wear no kit in danger zone where bullets kill.

All this opinion

Not a single citation

agaugust:

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[size=13pt] Zimbabwean Guma Guma gangs take over South African territory

= South African police runs away in surrender

= Zuma sends in army elite paratroops

= Guma gangs remain elusive and dribbles SANDF troops round in circles

= Reason why this SANDF soldier in the photo looks totally confused fighting Guma Guma

= Never mind his ZERO kit no helmet no body armour no extra bullet double wahala

[img]http://www.irinnews.org/photo/download.aspx?Source=Report&Year=2010&ImageID=201005261538140561&Width=490[/img]

"They say it’s a town that never sleeps, with business being conducted in the day and the nights being ruled by the notorious, heavily-armed predatorial guma guma gang who even the police are fear of.

Musina, South Africa’s gateway to Africa, is a criminally driven town gripped by fear of ruthless gangs of robbers and rapists preying on desperate people crossing the border in search of “a better life” this side of the Zimbabwe/South Africa border.

The well-armed predators are called the guma guma. Even police are afraid to challenge them."

http://www.thenewage.co.za/50085-1007-53-Special_report_Welcome_to_Musina_the_crime_town
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SANDF are not deployed to police the town

Stop wasting our time with this drivel

agaugust:


Use your brain when you jump into other people's arguments, THIZA was referring to Nigerian procurement in the face of current economic situation from 2014-2015, that's a two year period you dummy, we are comparing who has cash to buy things as at now in recent years, not 15 years ago you mörön.

Learn to answer questions within context.

Show us a list of current South African equipment purchases 2014-2015 so we can laugh at your tiny acquisitions due to your financial problems.

I too can start listing Nigeria's peace time procurement of 15 years ago including F-7 jets, Mi-24 helicopters, AW 109 helicopters, ATR-42 Surveyors, Diamond D42, G-222 aircraft, Beechcraft ISTAR aircraft, Cobra, VBL, BTR-3, Palmaria artillery, space satellites, coastal radars, about 300 navy vessels in one swoop, etc

What's the use repeating old data that everybody already knows? You have kolomental problem that makes your brain enjoy moving backwards in reverse gear everytime on this forum?

I refuse to answer your question the context you framed it in as it is misleading

Financial problems? we just spent $1 billion on the badger IFV... We havd double the budget you do... Now we have financial problems??

Go on then

Go to SIPRI and list everything you purachased since 2000

Lets compare

Peacetime SANDF > War Time Nigeria

agaugust:


Nope, SANDF is fighting against armed Guma Guma gangs who kill, rob, r.ape, etc. That is why the source says it's dangerous operation :

"SOUTH AFRICA: Troops reinforcing a porous and dangerous border".

Your troops wear no kits at all, doing a dangerous operation in a danger zone where SA police has surrendered to superior Guma Guma firepower, leading the SA govt to deploy army elite paratroops there. Your SANDF wear no kit in danger zone where bullets kill.

Can you prove that soldier is on patrol and not on base?

Augubug.... You want me to post pictures of your rag tag militia on the frontlines?

You are so utterly pathetic

agaugust:


Are you really a university graduate? Can you read simple English? The report says the gangs rob and kill, gangs so well armed that South African police with rifles have surrendered and handed over the fight to SANDF.

Fake BSc you have, you cannot even read your own source and quote correctly.

It doesnt say that SAPS have surrendered
It doesnt say SANDF are policing the town

Augubugs famous illiteracy rears its head again!!

agaugust:


You need to prove they are in red area, mumu.

The second soldier has no gun, no rifle, not armed.

The first soldier is standing inside his securely fenced base, see his sleeping tent and personal domestic household items behind him under his tent....you this fake military academy graduate, you cannot even identify an army base. Dundeee.

So, you are insinuating that those of SANDF are in dangerous situation over what your troops are exposed to. We all know Boko can even operate right inside the towns of NE. We all know how hot is NE.

agaugust:


Are you really a university graduate? Can you read simple English? The report says the gangs rob and kill, gangs so well armed that South African police with rifles have surrendered and handed over the fight to SANDF.

Fake BSc you have, you cannot even read your own source and quote correctly.

Media propaganda. The now defunct gang used to harass Zimbabwean women with toy guns and knifes that's all. The gang does not even have the capacity to challenge military and won't even dare to do it.

@AUGUSTUS STOP LYING YOU BOOSTED ABOUT 40 CHINOOK HELICOPTERS BUT NONE UNTIL NOW.... WHERE ARE THE FIGHTER JETS YOU CLAIM TO HAVE PURCHASED FROM CHINA WHERE ARE THE COBRA HELICOPTERS YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE PURCHASED FROM USA?? WHERE UR THE SUBMARINES YOU CLAIM TO HAVE PURCHASED FROM PAKISTAN SHOW US THAT THEY ARE THERE MUMU...

NIGERIAN RESERVES FALLING

The Central Bank of Nigeria has revealed in its data for the month of September that there has been a fall in Nigeria’s foreign reserves.Foreign exchange reserves fell by 3.14 per cent to $30.48 billion by September 23 from $31.47 billion a month ago, central bank data showed on Wednesday.
http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/09/30/nigerias-foreign-reserves-crash-by-1billion

SOUTH AFRICA A TOP FDI DESTINY IN AFRICA
The investment pipeline into South Africa remains robust, according to the acting head of investment promotion and inter-departmental clearing house at the Department of Trade and Industry (dti) Yunus Hoosen.He was speaking at a seminar hosted by the department on the state of foreign direct investment (FDI) in South Africa.

He said South Africa attracted R43bn in FDI in the previous financial year. He explained that due to the cyclical nature of investment it should be expected that both inward and outward investment stock may vary from year to year.

“Over a protracted period of time, South Africa has maintained its position as the top FDI destination in Africa as well as a prolific investor on the African continent. Recent data indicate that this trend is continuing based on the 2014/2015 investment pipeline and the impact of various government programmes across the South African economy,” he said.
http://www.fin24.com/Economy/SAs-investment-pipeline-remains-robust-dti-20151004

SOUTH AFRICA FOREIGN RESERVES STOOD AT $46 BILLION DOLLARS
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sta/ir/IRProcessWeb/data/zaf/eng/curzaf.htm

@AUGUSTUS STOP LYING YOU BOOSTED ABOUT 40 CHINOOK HELICOPTERS BUT NONE UNTIL NOW.... WHERE ARE THE FIGHTER JETS YOU CLAIM TO HAVE PURCHASED FROM CHINA WHERE ARE THE COBRA HELICOPTERS YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE PURCHASED FROM USA?? WHERE UR THE SUBMARINES YOU CLAIM TO HAVE PURCHASED FROM PAKISTAN SHOW US THAT THEY ARE THERE MUMU...

NIGERIAN RESERVES FALLING

The Central Bank of Nigeria has revealed in its data for the month of September that there has been a fall in Nigeria’s foreign reserves.Foreign exchange reserves fell by 3.14 per cent to $30.48 billion by September 23 from $31.47 billion a month ago, central bank data showed on Wednesday.
http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/09/30/nigerias-foreign-reserves-crash-by-1billion

SOUTH AFRICA A TOP FDI DESTINY IN AFRICA
The investment pipeline into South Africa remains robust, according to the acting head of investment promotion and inter-departmental clearing house at the Department of Trade and Industry (dti) Yunus Hoosen.He was speaking at a seminar hosted by the department on the state of foreign direct investment (FDI) in South Africa.

He said South Africa attracted R43bn in FDI in the previous financial year. He explained that due to the cyclical nature of investment it should be expected that both inward and outward investment stock may vary from year to year.

“Over a protracted period of time, South Africa has maintained its position as the top FDI destination in Africa as well as a prolific investor on the African continent. Recent data indicate that this trend is continuing based on the 2014/2015 investment pipeline and the impact of various government programmes across the South African economy,” he said.
http://www.fin24.com/Economy/SAs-investment-pipeline-remains-robust-dti-20151004

SOUTH AFRICA FOREIGN RESERVES STOOD AT $46 BILLION DOLLARS
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sta/ir/IRProcessWeb/data/zaf/eng/curzaf.htm



The Central Bank governor, Mr Godwin Emefiele, has defended his decision not to further devalue the naira despite the pressure on the currency of Africa’s top oil producer amid the global price crash.Godwin Emefiele is also under pressure from foreign investors and Nigerian manufacturers, who say his policies are worsening the oil-dependent country’s economic woes.

But the governor, on Monday, maintained that the naira was 'appropriately priced,' telling the Financial Times Africa Summit he would not allow a policy of 'interminable adjustment' as this would only cause more pain for Nigeria’s 170 million people.The naira lost more than 20 per cent of its value between the start of the oil price fall in July 2014 and February, the last time the Central Bank allowed the currency to depreciate.
http://tribuneonlineng.com/if-we-devalue-naira-again-we-will-kill-nigerians-says-cbn-governor

RAG TAG ARMY
Nigerian President Muhammadu Buhari has pledged to investigate allegations made by Amnesty International that accuse senior Nigerian military officials of war crimes violations in the offensive against radical Islamist terror group Boko Haram.
http://europe.newsweek.com/nigerias-buhari-vows-investigate-allegations-armys-war-crimes-328218

STORIES OF A RAG TAG ARMY
When Islamist militants raided the northeastern Nigerian village of Izghe, killing 90 people, some government troops dropped their weapons, stripped off their uniforms and fled in civilian clothes, according to two soldiers who were at the scene.

The soldiers said the troops were angry their monthly pay had been cut in half to 15,000 naira ($92) without explanation, heightening their belief that money meant for them and their front-line fight against the Islamist militant group Boko Haram was being siphoned off by officials in Abuja, the capital.

“Somebody is sitting comfortably in Abuja stealing our money, and we are here facing Boko Haram fire every day,” Shu’aibu, a lance corporal, said in a June 11 interview in Yola, capital of Adamawa state. He spoke on the condition that his surname wasn’t published because he’s not authorized to comment.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-07-15/nigerian-troops-say-corruption-saps-will-to-confront-islamists

@AUGUSTUS WHERE IS THE MONEY FOR THE MILITARY HARDWARE??
The arms purchase probe panel that was set up by President Muhammadu Buhari to probe contracts executed during the administrations of late President Umaru Musa Yar’Adua to former President Goodluck Jonathan, has started sitting with not less than 13 allegedly indicted retired generals opting for plea bargain.

A highly placed defence source at the weekend told Nigerian Pilot Sunday that the retired generals numbering 13 out of the 19 that are expected to be quizzed by the probe panel have already approach some members of the panel for amicable settlement of the matter than appearing before the panel.

According to the source, a former National Security Adviser is allegedly the arrowhead of the negotiation, if the members of the panel will accept their request. The security source further added that the 13 retired military chiefs are willing to refund N1 trillion to the federal government as part of the plea bargain arrangement
http://www.babreports.com/2015/08/30/buharis-arms-deal-probe-13-army-generals-admit-loots-to-return-n1trillion/

@AUGUSTUS HERE IS THE LIST OF THE ARMS PURCHASED BY YOUR RAG TAG ARMY AND THERE IS NO MENTION OF HELICOPTER GUNSHIPS....FIGHTER JETS....AND THE LIST LOOK SO UNPROFESSIONAL LIKE IT WAS DRAFTED BY A SIX GRADE CHILD.

The Nigerian Times (NT) has obtained the alleged list of weaponry items bought for the needs of the Nigerian army last year.

This comes after the former national security adviser, Sambo Dasuki, shared images of weapons attained by ex-president Goodluck Jonathan to fight the Boko Haram insurgency.

Indications have emerged that a massive supply of military hardware was received on January 27 of the last year. The NT reports, with reference to its military source that some of the purchased items were computerised and manned with cameras capable of detecting enemy location from long distance. This was to ensure more effective fight against the terrorists.

Read more: http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/headline/427382-weapons-purchased-by-army-to-fight-boko-haram-list.html#ixzz3nlaIAaly

Patchesagain:


I refuse to answer your question the context you framed it in as it is misleading

Financial problems? we just spent $1 billion on the badger IFV... We havd double the budget you do... Now we have financial problems??

Go on then

Go to SIPRI and list everything you purachased since 2000

Lets compare

Peacetime SANDF > War Time Nigeria

You classless liar!


The SANDF has not and did not spend $ 1 billion in a single fiscal year on the badger. Your quoted amount is spread over a significant number of years you liar!

The Nigerian budget is significantly larger at $5.7 billion.

SANDF

Henry120:



You classless liar!


The SANDF has not and did not spend $ 1 billion in a single fiscal year on the badger. Your quoted amount is spread over a significant number of years you liar!

The Nigerian budget is significantly larger at $5.7 billion.

Nigeria's usual defence budget is $2billion and the $5 billion was just a once off budget to deal with escalating insurgency and buy new weapons to resource your army and also to help an already military personnel which was poorly equipped.

SADF

SANDF

Henry120:



You classless liar!

The SANDF has not and did not spend $ 1 billion in a single fiscal year on the badger. Your quoted amount is spread over a significant number of years you liar!

The Nigerian budget is significantly larger at $5.7 billion.

1. I said we spent $1 billion on the badger how is that a lie?

2. Nope - according to Janes your military budget is less than half of ours

FighterPilot:





Nigeria's usual defence budget is $2billion and the $5 billion was just a once off budget to deal with escalating insurgency and buy new weapons to resource your army and also to help an already military personnel which was poorly equipped.

If i am not mistaken, Thesource henry is qouting is their "security" budget - which includes law enforcement and such

Nigeria's Aliko Dangote listed among bloomberg's world 50 most influential people; ranked 41st.

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http://www.punchng.com/news/dangote-listed-among-worlds-50-most-influential-persons/

FighterPilot:
Agauguu tell us since you have become a master of helmets, tell us why these your champions not wearing helmets in a red area?

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www.nairaland.com/attachments/2922492_19713536822819852176191279802129n_jpeg4a2edfde75c4799b06bb02cd3709f59d

what is your definition of a "Red area". Analyse that picture and tell us why you think it is a red area. Otherwise you are just stabbing the air in the dark, with the hope that you hit something. Right from the beginning of this thread we have always had one issue and that issue is the attribution of new definitions to terms to suit our arguments. Some people even go as far as creating new terms and terminologies while some scums go behind the scene to edit international open source information banks such as Wikipedia. Please tell us why that is a Red zone. That picture could have been taken from anywhere in Nigeria.

Patchesagain:


If i am not mistaken, Thesource henry is qouting is their "security" budget - which includes law enforcement and such

Correct, the budget was comprehensive of military and law enforcement agencies.

overhypedsteve:
what is your definition of a "Red area". Analyse that picture and tell us why you think it is a red area. Otherwise you are just stabbing the air in the dark, with the hope that you hit something. Right from the beginning of this thread we have always had one issue and that issue is the attribution of new definitions to terms to suit our arguments. Some people even go as far as creating new terms and terminologies while some scums go behind the scene to edit international open source information banks such as Wikipedia. Please tell us why that is a Red zone. That picture could have been taken from anywhere in Nigeria.

Your so called agubugubu, the fake researcher thought there will be no time a soldier will ever walk without a helmet in a red area or zone refering to how he's been ignorantly commenting about how SANDF soldiers are not wearing their helmets in what he thought was a red zone. I deliberately picked one of his pictures where the soldiers appeared not to have worn helmets to indirectly show him that it is not always soldiers would wear helmets even if they are in a red area. Within that red zone there are areas which have been stabilised, where soldiers can walk without uncomfortable helmets just to ease their head of a heat created by helmets. Thank you.

FighterPilot:


Your so called agubugubu, the fake researcher thought there will be no time a soldier will ever walk without a helmet in a red area or zone refering to how he's been ignorantly commenting about how SANDF soldiers are not wearing their helmets in what he thought was a red zone. I deliberately picked one of his pictures where the soldiers appeared not to have worn helmets to indirectly show him that it is not always soldiers would wear helmets even if they are in a red area. Within that red zone there are areas which have been stabilised, where soldiers can walk without uncomfortable helmets just to ease their head of a heat created by helmets. Thank you.

appreciated.

Patchesagain:


SANDF are not deployed to police the town

Stop wasting our time with this drivel

Stop telling lies !

"Musina town - South African special forces troops have begun a six-month deployment along the troubled border with Zimbabwe, where rape, robbery and other crimes are commonplace. Two companies of Parabats - elite South African paratroopers deployed in recent years to Sudan, DRC and Burundi as peacekeepers - have arrived at a highly porous border in the first phase of a deployment."

http://www.irinnews.org/report/89262/south-africa-troops-reinforcing-a-porous-and-dangerous-border

SANDF elite troops in hundreds are deployed in combat to replace runaway Southie Police cowards
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Patchesagain:


All this opinion

Not a single citation

Choke on this, simpleton

http://www.thenewage.co.za/50085-1007-53-Special_report_Welcome_to_Musina_the_crime_town
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