Henry120:


[s]Why don't you begin outlining your training and equipment?


Nigerian special operations units conduct High altitude jumps into target areas in actual combat scenarios all the time. They, across all services are airborne qualified.

Last I checked, ATVs and Dirt bikes are air-deployable assets. Dummy!

A Navy sub-lt in Nigeria's SBS took a target of over 1 KM with a 600 meter kill range sniper rifle. With Anti-material rifles, shots at over 2KM most likely are nothing, when we take into account the skill of that Navy SUB-LT.

You can only brag about a kill, when it's actually a proper kill. You don't celebrate an under 400 meters kill, when the rifle has an effective 500 meters range.

Your SANDF Recce have no battlefield experience, how can we judge them based on some nut-heads imagination.

Your Recce are as inept, incompetent, poorly trained and poorly experienced as the rest of the SANDF.[/s]

"because i say so"

Citations or get out

THE WORD COMMANDOS WAS COINED IN SOUTH AFRICA AND THATS WHERE IT STARTED, NOT IN AMERICA OR EUROPE. RIGHT HERE IN SOUTH AFRICA IN 1900s.

DictatorZAR:


Let's start by selection criteria, training methods, terrain.

Tell me which sub saharan nation also train there SF to be deployed from subs. Which sub sahara country has the history of being deployed against Russian, Ukrainian, Angolan and Vietnamese SF units in its history.

Lastly show me one african SF unit that has ZT-3 and starstreak systems at there disposal.

How many operations require special forces to deploy by submarines? Will you deploy commandoes by submarine in desert, bush, jungle warfare, or in urban warfare where the target is far interior on land? Most special forces operations are by high speed boats, warships, land vehicle and aircraft deployment, or did USA navy seals sail by submarine to kill Osama Bin Laden?

What ancient 30 year history of special forces combat does SANDF have? All those white men of those days are old, retired, and dead apartheid era special forces that no longer exist to fight for South Africa, so stop posting past by gone glory here, the current majorly black men South African special forces are fresh recruits from Soweto townships with ZERO war experience in their lives.

Nigeria has many thousands of currently active special forces who have been fighting on battlefield, for the past 10 years from navy SBS in Niger Delta war to Army SF and air force SF who have killed thousands of enemies on the battlefield of North East war where we killed Shekau I deep inside his forest stronghold.

Show us who is able to match Nigerian special forces REAL WAR EXPERIENCE in Africa today !

agaugust:


How many operations require special forces to deploy by submarines? Will you deploy commandoes by submarine in desert, bush, jungle warfare, or in urban warfare where the target is far interior on land? Most special forces operations are by high speed boats, warships, land vehicle and aircraft deployment, or did USA navy seals sail by submarine to kill Osama Bin Laden?

What ancient 30 year history of special forces combat does SANDF have? All those white men of those days are old, retired, and dead apartheid era special forces that no longer exist to fight for South Africa, so stop posting past by gone glory here, the current majorly black men South African special forces are fresh recruits from Soweto townships with ZERO war experience in their lives.

Nigeria has many thousands of currently active special forces who have been fighting on battlefield, for the past 10 years from navy SBS in Niger Delta war to Army SF and air force SF who have killed thousands of enemies on the battlefield of North East war where we killed Shekau I deep inside his forest stronghold.

Show us who is able to match Nigerian special forces REAL WAR EXPERIENCE in Africa today !

9 month old special forces paraded as the best in Africa. What a mediocrity!!!!

Patchesagain:


You can start by outlining their training and equipment

Sh1t brah... you really think they compare to guys who do HALO jumps from C130's and then get picked up by sub's while maintaining strict radio silence?

Dude, you guys dont even have air-deployable light (armored) tactical vehicals

And no star-streak or Milan

And no record sniper kills

And no history of completeing Baha 500's (500km round trip foot infiltrations behind enemy lines) or the extensive knowledge and tactics developed for long range raiding

I doubt your guys can compare to the special task force, let alone the Recce's

Jumping from helicopters is done even by police men in civilian riots, it's a piece of cake for any special forces even that of Cameroon.

C-130 jumps, with or without parachute? No parachute on land means death, with parachute is common drill for even paratroops of Ghana.

Picking up special forces by submarines? Even when the operation area is in the desert, city, or jungle/bush? How many submarine special forces operations are going on around the world today against ISIS or Taliban?

Nigeria has helicopter/aircraft deployable/parachute deployable light armoured fully amphibious vehicles far superior to the Hornets used by South Africa, your vehicles are open and unprotected, ours are Panhard VBL with all round armour protection and amphibious water swimming capability, your Southie special forces hornet vehicle cannot cross has ZERO full amphibious swim capability, your equipment is inferior....your SF do not even have a mini ATV in this modern world.

500 km walk, who goes around measuring how many round trips Nigerian SF have made in North East zone, you followed them around? Even BIR of Cameroon are a standard SF that are physically fit to walk all the distance they need, it's basic SF stamina training worldwide.

Nigerian SF killed Shekau I behind enemy lines, did you know many hundred kilometers they walked or combed the Sambisa forest before they found his secret stronghold?


Our SF don't need Startstreak SAM with only 1km max ceiling, foolish missile. Nigeria uses SA-7 and Blowpipe MANPAD with better max ceiling than your disappointing Starstreak that cannot reach enemy helicopter flying at 2km and shooting the brains out of South Afriacan SF men.

Milan ATGM, how easy to carry around? Most SF use RPG HEAT instead. A bulky ATGM that needs a vehicle all the time is a burden for SF who want to be light and fast, like operating inside a forest with no vehicle support.

Record sniper kill? It was denied by your SANDF army Brigadier General, your only written data source is Wikipedia that anybody can edit and post false information. Your sniper record kill is fake.

Meanwhile, shooting as sniper at 2 km range target using an anti-material rifle that has 2 km range, has nothing to do with the skill of the sniper, it's a factor of big gun with big range.

SADF Recces of old, relics of a 30 years ago war, are retired or dead.

The new South African special forces of ANC loyalists are mostly hungry blackmen recruited jobless from Soweto slums, and have ZERO war experience in their lives, you have special forces who have NEVER killed a human being in their lives, they even failed to fight Seleka, they were the first to escape to French army base at Bangui airport.

Nigeria has the most trained and battle tested, proven and effective Special forces in all of Africa today. Nobody compares to us.

agaugust:


Jumping from helicopters is done even by police men in civilian riots, it's a piece of cake for any special forces even that of Cameroon.

C-130 jumps, with or without parachute? No parachute on land means death, with parachute is common drill for even paratroops of Ghana.

Picking up special forces by submarines? Even when the operation area is in the desert, city, or jungle/bush? How many submarine special forces operations are going on around the world today against ISIS or Taliban?

Nigeria has helicopter/aircraft deployable/parachute deployable light armoured fully amphibious vehicles far superior to the Hornets used by South Africa, your vehicles are open and unprotected, ours are Panhard VBL with all round armour protection and amphibious water swimming capability, your Southie special forces hornet vehicle cannot cross has ZERO full amphibious swim capability, your equipment is inferior.

500 km walk, who goes around measuring how many round trips Nigerian SF have made in North East zone, you followed them around? Even BIR of Cameroon are a standard SF that are physically fit to walk all the distance they need, it's basic SF stamina training worldwide.

Our SF don't need Startstreak SAM with only 1km max ceiling, foolish missile. Nigeria uses SA-7 and Blowpipe MANPAD with better max ceiling than your disappointing Starstreak that cannot reach enemy helicopter flying at 2km and shooting the brains out of South Afriacan SF men.

Record sniper kill? It was denied by your SANDF army Brigadier General, your only written data source is Wikipedia that anybody can edit and post false information. Your sniper record kill is fake.

SADF Recces of old, relics of a 30 years ago war, are retired or dead.

The new South African special forces of ANC loyalists are mostly hungry blackmen recruited jobless from Soweto slums, and have ZERO war experience in their lives, you have special forces who have NEVER killed a human being in their lives, they even failed to fight Seleka, they were the first to escape to French army base at Bangui airport.

Nigeria has the most trained and battle tested, proven and effective Special forces in all of Africa today. Nobody compares to us.

We don't compare our recces with infants.

Nigeria's special forces were established late in 2014. They never even had considerable encounter with BH. Inexperienced indeed.

infants fitting into BIG SHOES. Let's rather talk about their history after 30 years.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/168110-nigeria-to-establish-special-forces-brigade-to-counter-boko-haram.html

FighterPilot:
Nigeria's special forces were established late in 2014. They never even had considerable encounter with BH. Inexperienced indeed.

infants fitting into BIG SHOES. Let's rather talk about their history after 30 years.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/168110-nigeria-to-establish-special-forces-brigade-to-counter-boko-haram.html

Every standard army in this world has special forces, called SF or commandoes, it has existed worldwide since world war II 1940s.

That is a new additional 5,000 man special COIN force trained in Russia/Pakistan 2014.

Nigerian navy SBS was established around 2006.

Nigerian army SF existed as Commandoes since before Biafran war, formed by the British. Fought as 3rd marine commandoes in 1967-1970, Fought in Liberia war 25 years ago.

You know nothing about Naija SF history.

The 30 year old war of SADF has produced nothing but retired or dead men today, your current special forces are new rookies with no war experience in their lives, South Africa has 30 year history only on paper, but on ground today you have NO COMBAT EXPERIENCED special forces alive and active any more.

Sorry o !

4 Russian cruise missiles targetted at Syria rebels,crash into Iran

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http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=34351302&sid=77

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lol....

FighterPilot:


We don't compare our recces with infants.

Yes, because your old apartheid recces are all dead and gone to the grave, or simply sick old retired and on wheel chair.

FighterPilot:
THE WORD COMMANDOS WAS COINED IN SOUTH AFRICA AND THATS WHERE IT STARTED, NOT IN AMERICA OR EUROPE. RIGHT HERE IN SOUTH AFRICA IN 1900s.

How does that make a Soweto recruited special forces man face a US Navy SEAL in combat today?

agaugust:


[s]Jumping from helicopters is done even by police men in civilian riots, it's a piece of cake for any special forces even that of Cameroon.

C-130 jumps, with or without parachute? No parachute on land means death, with parachute is common drill for even paratroops of Ghana.

Picking up special forces by submarines? Even when the operation area is in the desert, city, or jungle/bush? How many submarine special forces operations are going on around the world today against ISIS or Taliban?

Nigeria has helicopter/aircraft deployable/parachute deployable light armoured fully amphibious vehicles far superior to the Hornets used by South Africa, your vehicles are open and unprotected, ours are Panhard VBL with all round armour protection and amphibious water swimming capability, your Southie special forces hornet vehicle cannot cross has ZERO full amphibious swim capability, your equipment is inferior....your SF do not even have a mini ATV in this modern world.

500 km walk, who goes around measuring how many round trips Nigerian SF have made in North East zone, you followed them around? Even BIR of Cameroon are a standard SF that are physically fit to walk all the distance they need, it's basic SF stamina training worldwide.

Nigerian SF killed Shekau I behind enemy lines, did you know many hundred kilometers they walked or combed the Sambisa forest before they found his secret stronghold?


Our SF don't need Startstreak SAM with only 1km max ceiling, foolish missile. Nigeria uses SA-7 and Blowpipe MANPAD with better max ceiling than your disappointing Starstreak that cannot reach enemy helicopter flying at 2km and shooting the brains out of South Afriacan SF men.

Milan ATGM, how easy to carry around? Most SF use RPG HEAT instead. A bulky ATGM that needs a vehicle all the time is a burden for SF who want to be light and fast, like operating inside a forest with no vehicle support.

Record sniper kill? It was denied by your SANDF army Brigadier General, your only written data source is Wikipedia that anybody can edit and post false information. Your sniper record kill is fake.

SADF Recces of old, relics of a 30 years ago war, are retired or dead.

The new South African special forces of ANC loyalists are mostly hungry blackmen recruited jobless from Soweto slums, and have ZERO war experience in their lives, you have special forces who have NEVER killed a human being in their lives, they even failed to fight Seleka, they were the first to escape to French army base at Bangui airport.

Nigeria has the most trained and battle tested, proven and effective Special forces in all of Africa today. Nobody compares to us.[/s]

Dont waste my time with your foolish nonsense

1. Do you know what a HALO jump is? Do you know what HALO means?

2. Its all about capability you nucklehead... fact is that we can deploy men to submarines, via HALO jump, in complete radio silence... they can then deploy from subs to attack land targets

3. Citations for Nigerian SF foot insertions please

4. OMG, are you really trying to compare the VBL to the Wasp?? hahahahaha!! Apples and oranges chucklefuck.

5. Yeah sure you killed him... your SF are so good you only had to "kill" him 3 times

6.Are you comparing ancient 40 year old Strela to the Starstreak? hahahahaha. Anyway, Starstreak 1 can attack targets under 5km as well as ground targets, and is largely immune to countermeasures. And FYI a helicopter at 2km is beyond the range of the Streala as well you asshat

7. No an RPG is not sufficient, no you dont need a vehical to move the Milan around... dunce

8. It was confirmed by soldiers on the ground - their sources have been posted.

9. And they trained the new Recces - knowledge and experience is passed on through training.

Dude, grow up. Stop being a child and start good arguments.

agaugust:


[s]Every standard army in this world has special forces, called SF or commandoes, it has existed worldwide since world war II 1940s.

That is a new additional 5,000 man special COIN force trained in Russia/Pakistan 2014.

Nigerian navy SBS was established around 2006.

Nigerian army SF existed as Commandoes since before Biafran war, formed by the British. Fought in Liberia war 25 years ago.

You know nothing about Naija SF history.

The 30 year old war of SADF has produced nothing but retired or dead men today, your current special forces are new rookies with no war experience in their lives, South Africa has 30 year history only on paper, but on ground today you have NO COMBAT EXPERIENCED special forces alive and active any more.

Sorry o ![/s]

Commando =/= Operator

I guess our military researcher does not know the difference between:

SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCES (SOF)

and

SPECIAL FORCES (SF)

30 year old SANDF produced a world record sniper kill. All Nigerian SF/SOF have managed to acheive is killing the same guy 3 times

agaugust:


Yes, because your old apartheid recces are all dead and gone to the grave, or simply sick old retired and on wheel chair.

And new Recce's have been selected and trained by the old Recce's to replace them.

Korean SF/SOF have not seen action since the 1950's... are you saying your men are better than them?

agaugust:


How does that make a Soweto recruited special forces man face a US Navy SEAL in combat today?

The knowledge passed on from training.

Our pollice SOF are better than anything you have... lets not even talk of the Recces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrN0izKLz-A

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Rebels killing each other

Just makes it easyer for Putin and Assad in the long run

Patchesagain:

Rebels killing each other
Just makes it easyer for Putin and Assad in the long run

It isnt as simple as that,Russia's gallivanting in Syria is playing straight into IS hand.
If care is not taken,by next year,nations will be opening embassies and consulates in the new daesh caliphate,recognizing IS as a legitimate government.
If the US(and all of NATO) + Saudi + Israel decides to make a U-turn and start full blown support of the entire ISIL + ISIS simply to frustrate the nascent Russian coalition,then we should simply save ourselves the trouble and cede the entire core middle east to them.
Russia should be sensible in its intervention in Syria; it is perfectly clear to even the most amateur military analyst that airstrikes dont win COIN/CT wars.
Nigeria,Singapore and Algeria have won their CT wars due of coordinated military efforts that involves airstrikes,special forces and large scale dedicated infantry assualts; Russia is only focused on airstrikes.

Patchesagain:


Dont waste my time with your foolish nonsense

1. Do you know what a HALO jump is? Do you know what HALO means?

2. Its all about capability you nucklehead... fact is that we can deploy men to submarines, via HALO jump, in complete radio silence... they can then deploy from subs to attack land targets

3. Citations for Nigerian SF foot insertions please

4. OMG, are you really trying to compare the VBL to the Wasp?? hahahahaha!! Apples and oranges chucklefuck.

5. Yeah sure you killed him... your SF are so good you only had to "kill" him 3 times

6.Are you comparing ancient 40 year old Strela to the Starstreak? hahahahaha. Anyway, Starstreak 1 can attack targets under 5km as well as ground targets, and is largely immune to countermeasures. And FYI a helicopter at 2km is beyond the range of the Streala as well you asshat

7. No an RPG is not sufficient, no you dont need a vehical to move the Milan around... dunce

8. It was confirmed by soldiers on the ground - their sources have been posted.

9. And they trained the new Recces - knowledge and experience is passed on through training.

Dude, grow up. Stop being a child and start good arguments.

Stop the habit of striking out or strikingthrough other people's comments, let the world read what you are replying to and behave like an adult, or you have inferiority complex when you read what Nigerian's write?

1. HALO jump is an old ancient basic parachute jump you dunce, even a Ghanaian paratroop can do it.

2. Deploy from submarines to attack targets how many miles away? Walk through enemy territory how many miles? How many SF battle theaters have ocean deep enough for submarine insertion? How does coming out of a submarine make an SF fight better than the one dropped by stealth speed boat like a Nigerian X-38 combat catamaran? Any submarine insertion done by SF around the world in the last 20 years? Like your submarine deploys SF inside Arabian desert or Congolese jungle, or land locked C.A.R Bangui with no ocean access or coastline? Fool.

3. Citation for SF foot insertions? Like how, they don't travel on foot or what? Who has details of any SF operation, usually secret though.

4. VBL beats Hornet, VBL is fully amphibious and all round armour protection. Hornet cannot swim and is open on all sides for Boko Haram to use AK-47 rifle to kill off all Southie SF troops one by one from long distance away, not to talk of a GPMG machine gun fire 1 km away wasting all your special forces like mosquitoes.

5. Shekau I is different from II and III, yes we killed I by SF insertion into Sambisa forest.

6. SA-7 Strela MANPAD has 4.5 km altitude, it will kill a 2km altitude helicopter you dunce!

Starstreak is piece of crap with max 1 km altitiude.

7. RPG HEAT kills tanks at good range, SF skill can do that. Mostly, SF are not meant to fight against tanks, they are mobile, light, quick action and quick extraction forces or covert and undetected if deployed for long tour in area of ops. By the time enemy tanks are seeing your SF, their mission is getting busted and wasted, they have lost cover and cover blown off means enemy troops reinforcement, getting outnumbered, getting killed .

Milan is heavy and needs two men to operate even if they can carry about, a burden for SF who wants to be light and mobile without vehicle in a bush, forest, or clustered urban terrain where foot work is essential for operation. Fire one Milan, enemy locates you, try run away, must abandon missile launcher, no time to dismantle and carry pieces, the man with RPG HEAT operates it alone and can flee after launch with ease, his RPG is light for one man and carried like a rifle. SF are not specialty tank killers.

8. SANDF Brigadier denied the sniper record kill and has killed the fake story, CASE CLOSED by your own army HQ.

9. Current South African special forces have ZERO battle experience, the whole world passes so called skill down to new recruits, yet every man must fight his own war and prove himself, until blood and bullets begin to flow in battle we don't know who is going to run away. Lat time I checked, South African special forces did not fire one bullet against Seleka rebels, they ran to French army base to hide in the airport, they ran faster than even the SANDF parabats, your SF of today was a FAILURE ON THE DAY OF TEST AND BATTLE in Bangui.

10. SA is now past history and bygone story when it comes to. special forces, dead old apartheid recces won't fight for you today 2015.

See a loaded VBL when fully armed...and amphibious too

Patchesagain:


And new Recce's have been selected and trained by the old Recce's to replace them.

The old recces trained nobody for today, those white apartheid murderers where flushed out by Mandela 21 years ago to give way to new black boys from Soweto slums, jobless, hungry and half illiterate. Your new bunch are all ZERO experienced rookies who fled from Seleka in Bangui without firing one single bullet.

Patchesagain:


The knowledge passed on from training.

Our police SOF are better than anything you have... lets not even talk of the Recces


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrN0izKLz-A

Your police go to war where armies fight? SA police surrendered to Zimbabwean guma guma gangs of armed robbers in your own homeland.

I agree with you, lets not talk about dead or retired old men apartheid recces because they are bygone history, old relics of a forgotten boer white-man's colonial era

agaugust:


[s]Stop the habit of striking out or strikingthrough other people's comments, let the world read what you are replying to and behave like an adult, or you have inferiority complex when you read what Nigerian's write?

1. HALO jump is an old ancient basic parachute jump you dunce, even a Ghanaian paratroop can do it.

2. Deploy from submarines to attack targets how many miles away? Walk through enemy territory how many miles? How many SF battle theaters have ocean deep enough for submarine insertion? How does coming out of a submarine make an SF fight better than the one dropped by stealth speed boat like a Nigerian X-38 combat catamaran? Any submarine insertion done by SF around the world in the last 20 years? Like your submarine deploys SF inside Arabian desert or Congolese jungle, or land locked C.A.R Bangui with no ocean access or coastline? Fool.

3. Citation for SF foot insertions? Like how, they don't travel on foot or what? Who has details of any SF operation, usually secret though.

4. VBL beats Hornet, VBL is fully amphibious and all round armour protection. Hornet cannot swim and is open on all sides for Boko Haram to use AK-47 rifle to kill off all Southie SF troops one by one from long distance away, not to talk of a GPMG machine gun fire 1 km away wasting all your special forces like mosquitoes.

5. Shekau I is different from II and III, yes we killed I by SF insertion into Sambisa forest.

6. SA-7 Strela MANPAD has 4.5 km altitude, it will kill a 2km altitude helicopter you dunce!

Starstreak is piece of crap with max 1 km altitiude.

7. RPG HEAT kills tanks at good range, SF skill can do that. Mostly, SF are not meant to fight against tanks, they are mobile, light, quick action and quick extraction forces or covert and undetected if deployed for long tour in area of ops. By the time enemy tanks are seeing your SF, their mission is getting busted and wasted, they have lost cover and cover blown off means enemy troops reinforcement, getting outnumbered, getting killed .

Milan is heavy and needs two men to operate even if they can carry about, a burden for SF who wants to be light and mobile without vehicle in a bush, forest, or clustered urban terrain where foot work is essential for operation. Fire one Milan, enemy locates you, try run away, must abandon missile launcher, no time to dismantle and carry pieces, the man with RPG HEAT operates it alone and can flee after launch with ease, his RPG is light for one man and carried like a rifle. SF are not specialty tank killers.

8. SANDF Brigadier denied the sniper record kill and has killed the fake story, CASE CLOSED by your own army HQ.

9. Current South African special forces have ZERO battle experience, the whole world passes so called skill down to new recruits, yet every man must fight his own war and prove himself, until blood and bullets begin to flow in battle we don't know who is going to run away. Lat time I checked, South African special forces did not fire one bullet against Seleka rebels, they ran to French army base to hide in the airport, they ran faster than even the SANDF parabats, your SF of today was a FAILURE ON THE DAY OF TEST AND BATTLE in Bangui.

10. SA is now past history and bygone story when it comes to. special forces, dead old apartheid recces won't fight for you today 2015.

See a loaded VBL when fully armed...and amphibious too

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Your special forces do not have history to write home about nor any experience to talk about. You are just making a fool of yourself to ever compare your 9month old special forces to SA special forces which have trackable history and experience.

agaugust:


[s]Your police go to war where armies fight? SA police surrendered to Zimbabwean guma guma gangs of armed robbers in your own homeland.

I agree with you, lets not talk about dead or retired old men apartheid recces because they are bygone history, old relics of a forgotten boer white-man's colonial era

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I proved you wrong or do you want me to prove you wrong again?

Under administration of Mbeki police worked border patrol duties for four years and under the interim president Motlanthe there was a shift of policy. SAPS never ran away and the knife carrying gumma gumma which does not exist by now will never make our police run like your soldiers when they were pursued by BH to Cameroon.


Change of policy as to who will take over patrol duties between SAPS and SANDF.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/articles/2008/04/24/saps-upbeat-on-zimbabwe-border-patrol

https://www.issafrica.org/iss-today/sandf-back-to-the-borders

Patchesagain:


"because I say so"

Citations or get out

Stop the habit of striking off comments, or I'll probably stop quoting you entirely.

It smacks of a low self-esteem.

agaugust:


Stop the habit of striking out or strikingthrough other people's comments, let the world read what you are replying to and behave like an adult, or you have inferiority complex when you read what Nigerian's write?

1. HALO jump is an old ancient basic parachute jump you dunce, even a Ghanaian paratroop can do it.

2. Deploy from submarines to attack targets how many miles away? Walk through enemy territory how many miles? How many SF battle theaters have ocean deep enough for submarine insertion? How does coming out of a submarine make an SF fight better than the one dropped by stealth speed boat like a Nigerian X-38 combat catamaran? Any submarine insertion done by SF around the world in the last 20 years? Like your submarine deploys SF inside Arabian desert or Congolese jungle, or land locked C.A.R Bangui with no ocean access or coastline? Fool.

3. Citation for SF foot insertions? Like how, they don't travel on foot or what? Who has details of any SF operation, usually secret though.

4. VBL beats Hornet, VBL is fully amphibious and all round armour protection. Hornet cannot swim and is open on all sides for Boko Haram to use AK-47 rifle to kill off all Southie SF troops one by one from long distance away, not to talk of a GPMG machine gun fire 1 km away wasting all your special forces like mosquitoes.

5. Shekau I is different from II and III, yes we killed I by SF insertion into Sambisa forest.

6. SA-7 Strela MANPAD has 4.5 km altitude, it will kill a 2km altitude helicopter you dunce!

Starstreak is piece of crap with max 1 km altitiude.

7. RPG HEAT kills tanks at good range, SF skill can do that. Mostly, SF are not meant to fight against tanks, they are mobile, light, quick action and quick extraction forces or covert and undetected if deployed for long tour in area of ops. By the time enemy tanks are seeing your SF, their mission is getting busted and wasted, they have lost cover and cover blown off means enemy troops reinforcement, getting outnumbered, getting killed .

Milan is heavy and needs two men to operate even if they can carry about, a burden for SF who wants to be light and mobile without vehicle in a bush, forest, or clustered urban terrain where foot work is essential for operation. Fire one Milan, enemy locates you, try run away, must abandon missile launcher, no time to dismantle and carry pieces, the man with RPG HEAT operates it alone and can flee after launch with ease, his RPG is light for one man and carried like a rifle. SF are not specialty tank killers.

8. SANDF Brigadier denied the sniper record kill and has killed the fake story, CASE CLOSED by your own army HQ.

9. [s]Current South African special forces have ZERO battle experience, the whole world passes so called skill down to new recruits, yet every man must fight his own war and prove himself, until blood and bullets begin to flow in battle we don't know who is going to run away. Lat time I checked, South African special forces did not fire one bullet against Seleka rebels, they ran to French army base to hide in the airport, they ran faster than even the SANDF parabats, your SF of today was a FAILURE ON THE DAY OF TEST AND BATTLE in Bangui.[/s]

10. SA is now past history and bygone story when it comes to. special forces, dead old apartheid recces won't fight for you today 2015.

See a loaded VBL when fully armed...and amphibious too

1. Ok, so you dont know what a HALO jump is.

2.
- Yes walk through many miles
- what is the range of a X-38 catermaran?
- Its been done plenty, we did it in Angola
- Are all the countries in the world? Will SF only ever operate in land locked countries?

Probably one of the most assisine arguments you have ever made.

3. Citations for 500km or more foot insertions by Nigerian SF. You made the claim, prove it - I can prove my claims.

4. Hornet is better armed (1 HMG, 1 GPMG and option for ATGM/MRLS/60mm Mortar), it is more versatile, it can be paradropped and it can be easily slung. VBL is not a SF teir vehical.

5. Same guy "killed" 3 times.

6. SA-7 Strela manpad has a max-altitutde of 1.5km
http://weaponsystems.net/weaponsystem/EE01%20-%20SA-7%20Grail.html

Star-streak is a state of the art peice of equipment, un-jammable and one of the most feared MANPADS on the world - with an altitude up to 5km.

7.
- RGP cant kill tanks, cant even kill most modern IFV's
- Effective range for an RPG = 200m
- Effective range for a Milan ER = 3000m
- Who said tanks? Will SF never be asked to take out enemy equipment? Radar towers/ammo dumps/HQ's/Aircraft? We can do that from 3000m away with a Milan. You cannot
- RPG requires two men, an operator and one man to assemble the projectiles (propellant and war-head are seperate - you should know this military researcher)
- South African SF operate with up to 100kg of equipment on them, so its not a problem for us

8. Soldiers on the ground confirmed the story, their accounts have been posted here many time. Stories were denied by the SANDF WHILE OPERATIONS WERE ONGOING because of OPSEC

9. SANDF Recce's have seen combat in Bangui and DRC and in both places displayed their skills. Knowledge is passed through training. Your SF have no knowledge because they were only established 7 years ago. ROK SF/SOF have not seen combat since the 1950's... are you saying your men are better than them?

10. Except the long list of former SADF men still in the ranks of the SANDF

You are wasting my time with assinine and childish comments.

Talking about VBL's as though they are SF tools - posting pictures of VBLS you dont have , telling us that a 1960's MANPAD is better than a modern one, telling us stealth insertions via submarine have no point.

The only reason you say this is because you know that we have these things and it is what makes us better than you.

Again, our police SOF are better than anything you have.

Pics of ACTUAL SANDF equipment

1. Wasp - notice HMG, GPMG and MRLS
2. NTW20 - record holding 20mm sniper rifle
3. Wasp on deployment with SF
4. Based MILAN

Nigeria has nothing on South African SOF/SF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQm50m7F8aY

agaugust:


[s]The old recces trained nobody for today, those white apartheid murderers where flushed out by Mandela 21 years ago to give way to new black boys from Soweto slums, jobless, hungry and half illiterate. Your new bunch are all ZERO experienced rookies who fled from Seleka in Bangui without firing one single bullet.[/s]

You think that anyone is actually going to take the time to respond to this drivel?

Citations or get out

agaugust:


Your police go to war where armies fight? SA police surrendered to Zimbabwean guma guma gangs of armed robbers in your own homeland.

I agree with you, lets not talk about dead or retired old men apartheid recces because they are bygone history, old relics of a forgotten boer white-man's colonial era

1. If that is the quality of our police SF/SOF... what is then the quality of our military?

2. No they did not

3. They men are members of the SAPS - democratic South Africa.

I take it the fact that our Police SF/SOF are better than anything your army has is causing you significant butthurt?

Henry120:


Stop the habit of striking off comments, or I'll probably stop quoting you entirely.

It smacks of a low self-esteem.

I strike through it because it is trash and thus into the trash it goes.

It smacks of me not giving a fvck about your opinion and wanting citations.

#CitationsOrVoetsek

Patchesagain:

I strike through it because it is trash and thus into the trash it goes.
It smacks of me not giving a fvck about your opinion and wanting citations.
#CitationsOrVoetsek

It smacks of you having a low self-esteem you half-illiterate South-African.

Henry120:


It smacks of you having a low self-esteem you half-illiterate South-African.

It smacks of you having no citations to prove the bullsh1t you spew on this forum

Patchesagain:


1. If that is the quality of our police SF/SOF... what is then the quality of our military?

2. No they did not

3. They men are members of the SAPS - democratic South Africa.

I take it the fact that our Police SF/SOF are better than anything your army has is causing you significant butthurt?

Your SA Police SF/SOF are there making videos of hanging on helicopters while your entire country has streets full of roaming and rampaging assassins, armed robbers, murder gangs, etc.

Your country is the most crime infested and most bloody violent in Africa, yet you have special task force police failing in your own backyard.

Last time I checked, Rwandan assassins invaded South Africa, entered a major city metropolis of Johannesburg, executed an operation, killed a top VIP and escaped back to Rwanda, while your fancy video making SAPS, SF/SOF or special police was turned into a bunch of useless dummies on home soil by ordinary Rwandan criminals

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/02/rwanda-former-spy-chief-karegeya-murdered-kagame
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PHOTO 1 : South African Hornet vehicle with no safe armour protection....SF gets killed by AK-47 from distance, exposed

PHOTO 2 : Nigerian VBL vehicle with 100% all round safe armour protection.....SF fully bullet proof protected

Who is better equipped with special forces light air deployable vehicles? Nigerian army !