aminusanti:


Look at these 2 confused khafir with their man worshiping mentality, which one is which??
@truthman2012: It is not easy to opt out when in islamic bondage.
@Annunaki:Rejecting islam is very common

With all your lame posts ISLAM has already prevailed just seek proper knowledge you will come to realize. Your copy and paste approach without further reading will make u more confuse not only with islam even with your blind worship u r doing...ALL the abusers behind keybords can say whatever suits them. BUT ONE THING IS SURE ABOUT THE VERSE IN THE QUR'AN THAT SAYS..

They try to put off the light of ALLAH with their mouths and ill sayings..BUT the light of ALLAH shall always prevail even if the UNBELIEVERS dislike it..!!

We show them proof yet they CHOOSE to remain on the path of wrong! Sad. They shall see.
The truth shall avail, inshA. And God will show the liars the gracious hellfire.

truthman2012:


Lol!!!

Your last paragraph: ....''We SHOW them PROOF....

What proof is there in the quran? Show me one.

We are unbelievers in the religion brought by the Devil named islam.

No room for islam in God's plan of salvation. Matthew 24:14 says
''And this GOSPEL of the kingdom
will be preached in the WHOLE
WORLD as a testimony to all
NATIONS, and then THE END WILL COME''

That was Jesus statement about 650 years before Muhammad. The world was not expecting islam as the GOSPEL is expected to be preached till the END of the world.

aminusanti:


Mr Man you are still unaware Jesus was a Muslim and his religion was Islam in every sense but it wont make any sense to you as your heart is sealed... Both Jesus(PBUH) and Muhammad(PBUH) and all other prophets teach nothing but islam, they carried essentially the same message: Islam, that is, monotheism and submission to the will and guidance of God. However, the details were not identical, but varied to cope with the time and nation addressed.

While Jesus (peace be upon him) was sent specifically to the Israelites, Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sent to all humanity. This was emphasized by Jesus as well:

[But he answered and said, ‘I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.’] (Matthew 15:24)

In contrast, the Quran declares the universal message of Islam.

Jesus prophesized the coming prophet whose universal message will stay forever:

[And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— ] (John 14:16)

We have also seen that the utterances of Jesus have been supportive of and predicting about the rise of Muhammad (pbuh), and through him the belief Islam and the believing nation of Muslims, to which his followers are required to join.

In John 16: 12 & 13, Jesus says:

“I have yet many things to say unto you,

but you cannot bear them now.

Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth, is come,

He will guide you into all truth; ”

Many things that Jesus would have liked to tell his followers have not been told to them, not because Jesus did not know them, but only because his followers were not ready to bear them at that time: “..... but you cannot bear them now.”

When Jesus (pbuh) states “you cannot bear them now”, it only refers to his followers and does not include himself, because he did not say: “WE cannot bear them now”.

Since Jesus didn't count himself among them in this matter, it means he was ready to bear them: the guidance that the expected prophet will bring. He was aware of them and he was ready to bear them. But did he follow in action what he knew and was ready for? Yes. He did much of what a Muslim would do and is expected to do. In fact, this begins to happen even while he anticipates arrest by the Roman rulers.

truthman2012:


I don't want to talk again about Muhammad in the bible because it had been trashed many times on this forum.

You are yet to tell me the proof you were talking about in your earlier post. I have gone through the quran, nothing like proof of islam in it other than orders to kill infidels.

i don't expect you to see the proof because you re not here for it nd trust me most of your questions are lame if i am to ask you just few questions out of your bibles collections you won't even attempt answering unless u are going to lie... coming to ur questions, pls provide me the verses that mentioned about killing infedels in their context??

I noticed you didn't comment on Mat. 24:14 that nullifies the coming of islam as God expects only the Gospel to be preached till the end of the world. Who then sent Muhammad, definitely not the God of the Bible.

Pls stop fooling around...all what i explained from the previous post was it talking you?? get someone to read it for you if you are this blind

If Jesus was a muslim, how come He didn't mention Ishmael and Kaaba, which had been in existence before He came?

If Abraham truly built Kaaba, would Jesus not have visited there as the resort for mankind? Friend, stop deceiving yourself.

Do you really know about Kaaba and it purpose? whats the time frame between Abraham(PBUH) and Jesus(PBUH)? Abraham lived on earth worshiping Allah and calling people to monotheism yet the believers were just few, Mr man u should know that everything happens gradually that's why God messenger were sent on different time frame in different places. so, at the time of Jesus kaaba was still used for idol worshiping but gradually it was taken by Mohammad(PBUH)

Would Jesus prophesy the coming of Muhammad, who islamic allahh used to return humanity to idol worship in the name of God. Everything you are doing in islam today were what idolaters were doing. When did Yahweh turn to an idol that is worshiped islamically?

Because Muslims kiss that stone and faced Kaaba, you people hastily conclude that Muslims worship it. A kiss, however, is not an act of worship unless it is accompanied by an intention to worship. If you kiss your child, for instance, that does not mean you worship your child.

Some may find it strange that Muslims should treat a stone with respect. But this is not just any old stone. It is an item out of paradise.

The act of fixing a stone to mark a place of worship is as old as history. In the Bible we are told that Jacob, on whom be peace, had fixed a stone at a place where he saw a vision. He poured oil on it and called it Bethel meaning 'house of God' (see Genesis 28:18). He did this again upon God's instruction (see Genesis 35:1, 14, 15). No one should understand from this that God instructed Jacob to worship the stone

Go through this link and let me have your comments: https://www.nairaland.com/2644778/islam-meccans-religions-before-it

aminusanti:


Look at these 2 confused khafir with their man worshiping mentality, which one is which??
@truthman2012: It is not easy to opt out when in islamic bondage.
@Annunaki:Rejecting islam is very common

With all your lame posts ISLAM has already prevailed just seek proper knowledge you will come to realize. Your copy and paste approach without further reading will make u more confuse not only with islam even with your blind worship u r doing...ALL the abusers behind keybords can say whatever suits them. BUT ONE THING IS SURE ABOUT THE VERSE IN THE QUR'AN THAT SAYS..

They try to put off the light of ALLAH with their mouths and ill sayings..BUT the light of ALLAH shall always prevail even if the UNBELIEVERS dislike it..!!

We show them proof yet they CHOOSE to remain on the path of wrong! Sad. They shall see.
The truth shall avail, inshA. And God will show the liars the gracious hellfire.

Annunaki:


Please show me this proof so I can convert to islam

aminusanti:
Seek proper knowledge with open mind

truthman2012:


Thank God you were not born a muslim. It is not easy to opt out when in islamic bondage. Look at born muslims arguing blindly at the face of obvious truth. It takes the grace of God and exposition of falsehood of islam for them to be converted.

aminusanti:

Seek proper knowledge with open mind

adullam210:

Yes, really not easy to get out! Can you Imagine a sane and learned person referring to a highway robber, a womaniser, a child molester, a murderer, a liar and so on, as a prophet and the best man ever? The darkness on the hearts of the followers of this false prophet is very thick! God open their eyes.

Ajibam:
The Muslim Allah didn't raise Jesus, God(Elohim, El-Elohe Israel) did so..

Visitor700:


it is similar to the story of Jesus killing a child in the Gospel of Thomas, and critics try to force the story upon Christians that they have to accept it as evidence that Jesus was a murderer. However, no credible scholar (Christian or non-Christian) would use this incident as true even though the Gospel of Thomas is dated earlier than the Gospel of John.

If you analyze this hadith carefully, you will notice that he didn't order anybody to kill her:

Narrated by Abdullah Ibn Abbas who said: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet and disparage him. He (the blind man) forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet and abuse him. So he (the blind man) took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.

Thereupon the Prophet said: Oh bear witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.”

(Abu Dawud; Book 38, Number 4348)

although he said "no retaliation is payable for her blood," it's clear he didn't order anybody to kill her. He forbade the killing of women.

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that a son of Kab ibn Malik (Malik believed that ibn Shihab said it was Abd ar-Rahman ibn Kab) said, "The
Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, forbade those who fought ibn Abi Huqayq (a treacherous jew from Madina) to kill women and
children. He said that one of the men fighting had said, 'The wife of ibn Abi Huqayq began screaming and I repeatedly raised my sword against her. Then I would remember the prohibition of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, so I would stop. Had it not been for that, we would have been rid of her.'"
(Maliks Muwatta; Book 021, Hadith Number 008)



the claim that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) got her assassinated just because of some poetry insulting him is false because he never took revenge in matters that were far more serious than this:

*He forgave the woman who killed and mutilated his uncle's body. The woman was so impressed by his magnanimity and stature that she said, “O Messenger of God, no tent was more deserted in my eyes than yours; but today no tent is more lovely in my eyes than yours.”

*He also forgave the woman who poisoned him.Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewish woman brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of God’s Apostle.

neocortex:



You are either ignorant of Hadith and the Sira or you are deliberately lying.
Here are the killings sanctioned/ordered by prophet Muhamed, you shouldn't
be ashamed of what the role model for Islamic terrorists did in his days.

Annunaki:


Fixed also thanks for acknowledging that a lot of muslims are ashamed of what that pathetic m0ron you label a prophet did in his days.

neocortex:


I didn't address my post to you, it was for that Islamic faithful.
He will understand my message better than you.

BTW, are you a christian ?

Annunaki:


Well your describing such a vile character as the role model for humanity was offensive to me as a human being, if you had limited it to 'the role model for muslims' I wouldn't have been bothered but even then most muslims are better human beings than mohamed was. As per my religion, I am an annunaki

neocortex:


It is your moniker that made me asked because I initially
thought you are one of the christians who are too
ashamed to associate with their faith.

As to the role model for humanity, that is what the muslims believe
and that is why every of a muslim action is expected to mirror that
of the prophet.
Even though you described him as a vile character, he did achieve greatness
for his people , because for the first time in Arab history, they had a central
figure and a religion to rally round. That is a great feat if you ask me.

truthman2012:


Why did allahh save Jesus from death and allowed Muhammad to die of poison?

Annunaki:


Why don't you teach me this proper knowledge.



Abi oh it beats my imagination how sane people would accept the prophethood of such a notorious criminal

neocortex:


It is your moniker that made me asked because I initially
thought you are one of the christians who are too
ashamed to associate with their faith.

As to the role model for humanity, that is what the muslims believe
and that is why every of a muslim action is expected to mirror that
of the prophet.
Even though you described him as a vile character, he did achieve greatness
for his people , because for the first time in Arab history, they had a central
figure and a religion to rally round. That is a great feat if you ask me.

Annunaki:


Then label him as a role model for the Arabs and put him in the league of other 'great' generals in history like hitler who also able to rally up his people and achieved far greater conquest than mohamed could ever fathom.

neocortex:


Unlike hitler his armies keeps swelling day by day.
Hitler fought and lost, Muhamed fought and won.

basilico:
Jesus was a Muslim?
Why?
He believed in the oneness of God.
Islamic logic . If you believe in one God then you are a Muslim.
Jews are Muslims because they believe in Yahweh
Right?
Inbreeding causes mental disorders, indoctrination from young age makes it even worse.

plappville:


PAUL conversion is in the bible. Authentic just like the other verses of the bible Muhammed has used to tagged himself. Shame to him. He said the bible is corrupted yet he selected some as authentic to tag himself. Let me recall you back to his historical event as a terrorist. ..

You like showing yourself too much, I asked for Paul's conversion. No need for any epistle, just show me Paul's conversion from the bible.. . Shikena!

MUHAMMAD'S EARLY TERRORIST ACT!!!!!
When He moved to Medina, Muhammad began to ve conflict with the Jews and pagans in the area. The first terrorist incident involves Muhammad's command to his followers to "kill any Jew who comes under your power".
 
From Guillaume, op cit, page 369:
 
 "The apostle said, "Kill any Jew who falls into your power."  Thereupon Muhayyisa b. Masud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him.  Huwayyisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother.  When Muhayyisa killed him Huwayyisa began to beat him, saying, 'You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?'  Muhayyisa answered, 'Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off.'"
 
This story is also supported in the Sunan of Abu Dawud, Book 13, Number 2996:
 
Narrated Muhayyisah:  The Apostle of Allah said:  If you gain a victory over the men of Jews, kill them.  So Muhayyisah jumped over Shubaybah, a man of the Jewish merchants.  He had close relations with them.  He then killed him.  At that time Huwayyisah (brother of Muhayyisah) had not embraced Islam.  He was older than Muhayyisah.  When he killed him, Huwayyisah beat him and said:  O enemy of Allah, I swear by Allah, you have a good deal of fat in your belly from his property.
 
What the hell are u defending this terror?the two quotes stated This murder was committed upon Muhamad's command. Note tht this Muslim murderer woUld ve killed a family member at the drop of a hat. Mohamad was no better than a bigoted criminal boss, ordering his men to wantonly murder Jews. Hitler did this. Muhammad's command to murder the Jewish ppl puts him in the same category as Hitler, and others who have persecuted Jews throughout history Are terrorists.

The fact that this story is mentioned in Sunan Abu Dawood, it is weak and unreliable. Concerning isnad (i.e. chain of reporters), this Hadith was narrated by servant of Zaid Ibn Thabet on authority of daughter of Muhayyisah. Servant of Zaid is Muhammad Ibn Ibi Muhammad and he is unreliable, and daughter of Muhayyisah is unknown. Concerning matn (i.e. text), it says that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) ordered to kill all Jews which is illogical because Jews had a treaty with Muslims and there was no evidence that Muslims indulged in killing any Jew other than this Hadith. Moreover, Ibn Hesham himelf who edited the work of Ibn Ishaq suggests that the incident of Huwayyisah and Muhayyisah occurred during incident of Bani-Qurayzah, not after murder of Ka’b.^*

So Mr. Woman better get something more tangible, moreover, no one has slaughtered Jews more than Christians. It's a known and established fact, let's see some atrocities of you Christians against Jews:


70 A.D.
Titus took Jerusalem - second revolt. Over one million Jews killed.
136 A.D.
580,000 men destroyed, 985 towns destroyed - third revolt.
300 A.D.
Purim festival celebrating God's deliverance to Mordecai and the Jews through Esther and the fasting. Lies spread that Jews kill Christians for sacrifice. Emperor Severus also said the Jews purchased 90,000 Christians to kill them.
306 A.D.
Council in Spain banned Christians & Jews meeting or marrying.
325 A.D.
Constantine changed the celebration of Easter on the calendar so that it did not coincide with the Jewish Passover.
379 A.D.
Vicious writing by St. John Chrysostom and St. Ambrose in Milan who said: "The Jews are the most worthless of all men. They are lecherous, greedy, rapacious. They are perfidious murderers of Christ. They worship the Devil. Their religion is a sickness. The Jews are the odious assassins of Christ and for killing God there is no expiation possible, no indulgence or pardon. Christians may never cease vengeance, and the Jew must live in servitude forever. God always hated the Jews. It is essential that all Christians hate them." He was called the Bishop with the Golden Tongue. St. Ambrose, Bishop of the Church offered to burn the synagogue himself.
395 A.D.
St. Gregory of Nyssa in sermons and writings characterized Jews as assassins of the Prophets, companions of the Devil, a race of vipers, a Sanhedrin of Demons, enemies of all that is beautiful, hogs and goats in their lewd grossness.
415 A.D.
Bishop Severus BURNED THE SYNAGOGUE IN THE VILLAGE OF MAGONA. BISHOP OF
ALEXANDRIA, ST. CYRIL EXPELLED JEWS FROM ALEXANDRIA AND GAVE THE MOB JEWISH PROPERTY.
ACCUSATION of Ritual murder by the Jews during Purim. Christians confiscated synagogues in ANTIOCH.
These were not hooligans but Church Fathers!
AUGUSTINE, JEROME, AMBROSE AND LESSER SAINTS AS ST. CHRYSOSTROM AND CYRIL, added to untruths the new ones that Jews were dishonest and prone to sexual perversions.
1012 A.D.
Emperor Henry II of Germany expels Jews from Mainz, the beginning of persecutions against Jews in Germany.
1096 A.D.
First Crusade. Crusaders massacre the Jews of the Rhineland.
1144 A.D.
First recorded blood libel. In Norwich it was alleged that the Jews had "bought a Christian child before Easter, tortured him with all the tortures wherewith our Lord was tortured and on Friday hanged him on a rood in hatred of our Lord." (England)
This notorious allegation that Jews murder non-Jews, especially Christians, in order to obtain blood for the Passover or other rituals is a complex of deliberate lies, trumped up accusations, and popular beliefs about the murder-lust of the Jews and their blood-thirstiness, based on the conception that Jews hate Christianity and mankind in general. It is combined with the delusion that Jews are in some way not human and must have recourse to special remedies and subterfuges in order to appear at least outwardly, like other men. The blood libel led to trials and massacres of Jews. Its origin is rooted in ancient almost primordial, concepts concerning the potency and energies of blood. It is one of the most terrible expressions of human cruelty and credulity. These blood rituals are expressly forbidden in Judaism. (See Leviticus 17;11 etc.)
1190 A.D.
Massacre of Jews in England.
1215 A.D.
The Jewish badge introduced.
1240 A.D.
Talmud burned in France.
1290 A.D.
Jews expelled from England.
1298 A.D.
Massacre of thousands in Germany, in 146 localities.
1306 A.D.
Expulsion from France.
1348 A.D.
JEWS blamed for the BLACK DEATH. Charge laid to the Jews that they POISONED the wells to kill CHRISTIANS.
1389 A.D.
MASSACRES in Bohemia, Spain.
1421 A.D.
270 JEWS BURNED AT THE STAKE. In the 14th and 15th centuries the Inquisition was more intense because the Church and State joined forces. Just being Jewish guaranteed persecution.

Lemme stop here, remember that Jews consider their golden ages under Islamic Shariah States, they excelled the most under Muslims. I hope you can challenge this fact?!

Again, did Jesus kill? Forget about ur trinity dogma u use to cover up. You are not discussing with a Trinitarian so U re off track. DID JESUS EVER KILLED ANYONE ?  DID HIS DICIPLES KILL ANY1 ?

So you want to deny "Trinity" because I don catch you ba?! If Jesus is great, and the prophet Muhammad is bad because he killed people, then so is Moses, and so is David. You can't use Trinity to cover anything, you Christians are the same people who would storm the OT and be bringing up so-called crucifixion prophesy and Jesus being god, so don't think you can play that nonsense card with me. Jesus killed for the following reasons:

1- Jesus is God

2- Jesus is the God of the Old Testement

3- Christians believe that the OT is the inspired word of God

4- The OT is authentic to the Christian

5- The God in the OT is Jesus

Here are some brutality by biblical bloody Jesus:

Zephaniah 2:12-15
"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria...

Oh my God!!! Na wa for Jesu o!

Ezekiel 9:5-7
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.

No comment for this one!

Lemme allow you reply with lies.

[s]DID MUHAMMAD KILL? DID HIS MEN KILL? Look at all Islamic countries, it's bombing, murdering etc. No peace yet they claim thier religion is peaceful. Why didnt the religion of peace pieced into the heart of Muslims?[/s]

Mention one Islamic Countries/States in which Muslims are killing each other?!

Visitor700:


Didn't Jesus order the killing of infants and nursing babies

"Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child , ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

(1 Samuel 15:3 )

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.."

(Ezekiel 9:5-7)

I am ashamed of what the role model for Christianity did in his days.



Your references didn't support your argument. Can you show me in the hadith where it was stated that he ordered his companions to kill women?

It is narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah that a woman was found killed in one of the battles fought by the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He disapproved of the killing of women and children.

(Saheeh Muslim;Book 019, Hadith Number 4319)

Narrated By 'Abdullah : During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.

(Saheeh Bukhari;Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 257)

Narated By Rabah ibn Rabi' : When we were with the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) on an expedition, he saw some people collected together over something and sent a man and said: See, what are these people collected around? He then came and said: They are
round a woman who has been killed. He said: This is not one with whom fighting should have taken place. Khalid ibn al-Walid was in charge of the van; so he sent a man and said: Tell Khalid not to kill a
woman or a hired servant.

(Sunan Abu Dawud;Book 008, Hadith Number 2663)

I stand firm by my claim.

plainbibletruth:
Majority of Muslims live in DENIAL. 
Even when they are CLEARLY shown how bankrupt mohammed was morally or even in integrity they choose to turn the other way. 
Show them the contradictions in the pieced-together Quran and the next thing they do is lamely attempt to discredit the Bible. 
They are either AFRAID of scrutinizing their "holy" book/books or they are ashamed that admitting to the weaknesses of their prophet and books will make them look foolish. 

It's truly amazing how millions live in self-deception and even in the face of clear evidence refuse to accept the truth. 

"Those who cling to worthless idols forfeit the grace that could be theirs" 
- Jonah 2:8

Annunaki:


I believe in the oneness of God but I will rather die than become a muslim(satan worship in disguise). Islamic logic makes mor0ns look intelligent.

adullam210:

Yes, really not easy to get out! Can you Imagine a sane and learned person referring to a highway robber, a womaniser, a child molester, a murderer, a liar and so on, as a prophet and the best man ever? The darkness on the hearts of the followers of this false prophet is very thick! God open their eyes.

Perfect description of your father, that's nice!