Jozzy4:


" NO , but he [size=26]emptied himself [/size] and took a slaves form and became human ..... He came as a man " - Phil 2:7,8

At least, the preceding verse you skipped proved that He's God which you've failed to admit on here.

John20:28 - Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God

Pr0ton:


It still doesn't change anything. A mere man won't heal and perform miracles. He was then God in man on earth.... and who prayed to another God in heaven.

It changed something.
He manifested in two nature i.e He changes to "any" anytime it pleases Him.
While praying, His human nature was manifesting and prayed to God.

chuna1985:






""Isaiah 6:8
Then I heard the voice of the
Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send,
and who will go for US?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send
me!""

A blatant lie from pit of hell. God did not at any point in d bible ask "who shall I send" based on Jesus going to die for our sins.

Read Isaiah chapter 6 from verse 1 to 10 so that u can understand what happened there. Dont just life one verse n deceive ur self...

what are you saying ? I don't understand you here.but If you think the verse is referring to Jesus, you are dead wrong.

Pr0ton:


Let me agree it's a misconception again, so that still means one of the Godheads sent another entity of the Godheads, who are both called God, consequently Gods.

You are desperately calling the trinity Gods . The three are one . The trinity is a better name not 'Godhead' . God existing as three entities - The Father , The Son and The Holy Spirit . They are ENTITIES . Do you know the meaning of entity ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Haha ..

I just hate it when someone calls the bible mythical . If its mythical why open a thread to argue a myth . If you are willing to learn ,simply ask me questions and stop forcefully making assertions .

How is my opening a thread to discuss something I know is mytical a problem? It's like a person telling you that he hates it when you strongly discuss fictional movies like Merlin, Primal Force, Tomatoes etc. with someone, espicially, who believes they are real.

Another thing is even if we accept the Bible is real there are some beliefs about it I believe wouldn't add up to logic on a normal day. And this is one.

Pr0ton:


How is my opening a thread to discuss something I know is mytical a problem? It's like a person telling you that he hates it when you strongly discuss fictional movies like Merlin, Primal Force, Tomatoes etc. with someone, espicially, who believes they are real.

Another thing is even if we accept the Bible is real there are some beliefs about it I believe wouldn't add up to logic on a normal day. And this is one.

Do you know about parallel universes ? That you , pr0ton ,are existing in another universe maybe as a business man , pastor , doctor anything else possible . Will you call it mythical too ?

FrancisTony:

Have you heard of Divinity of Christ?
He existed in two forms both human & divine.

Where in the scriptures can we find these.

While praying to God, He was manifesting in His human form to show example to mankind.

what example did he show to mankind?
That he being a god does not have the capacity of saving himself

His human form prayed to God.
His human form ate.
His human form slept.
His human form endured pains.
His human form cried.

But His form as God healed the sick, bestowed power & authorities to heal, perform miracles et al to/on mankind.

When the holy spirit came on jesus, did he now have 2 gods in his human form? .
What did jesus say about the power to heal.?
Why did his god form not know certain things when he was being questioned by his disciples?

KingEbukasBlog:


You are desperately calling the trinity Gods . The three are one . The trinity is a better name not 'Godhead' . God existing as three entities - The Father , The Son and The Holy Spirit . They are ENTITIES . Do you know the meaning of entity ?

en·ti·ty- /ˈen(t)ədē/ noun
1. a thing with distinct and independent existence.

I've been arguing in line with that definition. And what I've been asserting is the three entities are separately called God in the Bible. Do you agree?

FrancisTony:

At least, the preceding verse you skipped proved that He's God which you've failed to admit on here.

Show me the preceding verse that said HE IS GOD ?

The point is clear , he emptied himself and came to earth as a Man not as a God-man.

John20:28 - Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God

People said paul is God too , do you belive that ? Act 28:6 .. So I have no problem with thomas statement since God in that context doesnt refer to the Almighty ! In that same chapter Jesus reveal that he have a God (john 20:17 )

KingEbukasBlog:


Its the same thing said differently .

Nooooooo!
3 in 1 and 1 in 3 are two different things.

His version is totally diferent from urs when we look at it from persons or entities.

FrancisTony:

It changed something.
He manifested in two nature i.e He changes to "any" anytime it pleases Him.
While praying, His human nature was manifesting and prayed to God.

Lie @ bold , " he came as a man" phil 2:8a .

There is a form of God = Divine nature

There is a form of slave = human nature .

He emptied his divine nature before coming to earth , emphasis on " empty"

KingEbukasBlog:


Do you know about parallel universes ? That you , pr0ton ,are existing in another universe maybe as a business man , pastor , doctor anything else possible . Will you call it mythical too ?

It's a proposed theory that's based on assumption. It's not testable. It's not witnessed. I don't believe it.

dolphinheart:

Bro, one asks questions when one don't understand a theory or has issues that he or she want clarified
. Hence your repeating that I dnt understand something is crap. When I ask you questions, pls answer. I'm not trying to get myself flattered.

I asked you if the father and jesus exist as 2 different persons in heaven or as one person?. These question you keep refusing to answer.

They exist as different entities or beings

If they exist independently, then they are not one person ! They are two independent entitities.
You try to merge them together with the use of the word "god - nature", what is "god nature" and how do we understand ur views with what is said in 2 peter1:4 and the statement that "god is a spirit".?

Independent entity means they have their own mind too .

At this point, I believe we should start using the scriptures as the basis of our views.

The bold statements where made before I asked the question.
Anyway, these post above does not answer the questions.
The questions are on the use of the statement "i am" . Does the use of that statement signify that that person is god? If not, then the use of that word by any person is not a direct signification that that person is god, hence the scenario does not hold water.
Furthermore, I asked you to show where the holy spirit said "I am".
If by examination, the holy spirit is not found to say " I am
" , why did you say he said it? If it is found that the statement in bold above is false, then ur whole scenario created to support ur views on trinity is false!.

I explained what I meant by a scenario . You are really alien to the way I address issues ,maybe that's why you don't understand

Pls answer the following questions

Ok

A. What is the form that the three exist in. Use scripture pls.

They are beings

B. Can you add scriptural prove to indicate that they share one nature?

1. John 10:30

30 I and my Father are one.

C. Does sharing indicate equality?

Yes . They are equal .
Genesis 1:26

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


"Us" clearly showed that all three have the same ability to create or creation and are one /

D. Do you agree that the god you are trying to portray exist in three forms at same time or at different points in time, pls what are these forms, and where do we find that in the scriptures.

God is a being .

E. You link man trinity and god trinity . Does each of the trinity in man exist independently? If so, do they have different minds and will?

The "man trinity" at some point will exist independently . Like when you die , who will face God's judgement - your body or spirit or soul ?

F.If they exist as three different entities, that means they exist as 3 different gods. Unless u say one is not able to assume the nature of god unless it merges with the other two entities . And if they combine with the other two entities to form one god. Then it means they are no longer distinct and different entities anylonger.

They are one God . One existing as three . Please try to understand what it means that one exists as three entities . Oh wait like the government of Nigeria . We have the local , state and federal . They are one government but are three tiers . They tiers of government play different roles that does not mean the local government is its own government or the state or the federal .They are all one working as three tiers .

Example :

You have a bad road in you area and you say "Oh please let the government do something about it " . Your local government is the most likely act because it concerns a remote or small area or because it will take little financing .

So its either we have 3 gods in one, or one god in 3 places, forms, entities. Whichever one you choose , I want you to use scripture as support.

Genesis 1:2

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The verse below shows that they are different entities who play different roles but are One . Just like our Government .- local , state and federal - not three governments

John 15:26
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Lastly, do these 3 entities have same authority or one is a subject of the other or others.

The passage below completely denies that claim

1. John 10:30

30 I and my Father are one.

Arianism tries to depict Jesus as inferior , I also pointed this out to pr0ton

They are three of the same authority and power . Even Christians make mistakes .

When we say "God" everyone assumes its The Father we are referring to and His Son, Jesus Christ , is lower in authority because He is A Son

Pr0ton:


en·ti·ty- /ˈen(t)ədē/ noun
1. a thing with distinct and independent existence.

I've been arguing in line with that definition. And what I've been asserting is the three entities are separately called God in the Bible. Do you agree?

Yup ,because they are one . 1 as 3

Pr0ton:


It's a proposed theory that's based on assumption. It's not testable. It's not witnessed. I don't believe it.

So you don't believe in evolution , abiogenesis and the Big Fraud Theory , right ?

dolphinheart:


Nooooooo!
3 in 1 and 1 in 3 are two different things.

His version is totally diferent from urs when we look at it from persons or entities.

1 as 3 then . I hope this settles it ?

dolphinheart:

Where in the scriptures can we find these.

Titus 2:13 New International Version (NIV)
13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

what example did he show to mankind?

Just the way he taught the apostles how to pray.

That he being a god does not have the capacity of saving himself.

He was in His human nature during those time.

When the holy spirit came on jesus, did he now have 2 gods in his human form?.

Holy Spirit descended on His human nature.
Both nature manifests differently.

What did jesus say about the power to heal.?
Why did his god form not know certain things when he was being questioned by his disciples?

The two nature doesn't appear the same time.
It's more like someone manifesting in both good and evil.
His good nature deserts him when Evil descends on him & vice versa.

Pr0ton:


One of God's nature is He can't be tempted Num 23:19. But Jesus was someone who was tempted more than once as told in Matt 5. This draws a clear distinction between the person of God (say 'his father') and Jesus (say 'his son') with different nature. So they are different persons. You call the both God, consequently Gods ironically sharing same nature.

Jesus was man and is God - "dual nature"

These are the words of Jesus himself:

John 17:3,"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God,and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

Jesus separates himself from God as being the only God. He appears more of an inferior person (like a messenger) who is sent by someone he acknowledges to be the only true God. But you call both God, consequently Gods ironically sharing same nature.

Arianism

Three entities sharing the same nature, mind, essence and being collectively and saparately called God doesn't change the logic that the three are Gods, since you can separatly call them a God, too.

God is in a different dimension . Its understandable because the reality of one existing as three is above your perception

Besides the part where you failed reality by using one myth to confirm the other, the introduction of man's trinity was also a failure to prove your point. If we accepted man's trinity myth as fact, then according to the myth God would actually be talking to himself. Man's spirit talks itself. It manifests in the body and without it in the body the body is nothing/dead. All thought going on in man is produced by the spirit and the actions this thought results to his done by the spirit through the body. The body is non-living. The spirit is the living thing in it.

"Man trinity" is a bit intricate .

Yes if the myth is followed.
No, but to another 'entity' who was also God, consequently Gods.

One God not three Gods

Jozzy4:


Show me the preceding verse that said HE IS GOD ?

The point is clear , he emptied himself and came to earth as a Man not as a God-man.

Philipians2:6

Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider [size=40]equality with God[/size] something to be used to his own advantage.

People said paul is God too , do you belive that ? Act 28:6

People said but Thomas called Him, which He ought to rebuke as He always do if He's not God.

So I have no problem with thomas statement since God in that context doesnt refer to the Almighty ! In that same chapter Jesus reveal that he have a God (john 20:17 )

His human nature had God same way He had a mother.

KingEbukasBlog:


Jesus was man and is God - "dual nature"

He is still God.

God is in a different dimension . Its understandable because the reality of one existing as three is above your perception

There is actually nothing like your defined Trinity in the Bible. It's inferred from what is noticed in the Bible, the Trinity I have been explaining. It's understandable how you would shift the embarrassment to the 'incomprehensive perception' of the Trinity, even when it is clear and glaring.

"Man trinity" is a bit intricate .

You don't mind explaining how.

One God not three Gods

GOD = God + God + God..

They are three distinct gods in one.

KingEbukasBlog:


Yup ,because they are one . 1 as 3

You agree they are separately called God..i.e

Yahweh is God
Jesus is God
Holy Spirit is God.

How are these not three Gods? Remember they do operate separately too.

KingEbukasBlog:


So you don't believe in evolution , abiogenesis and the Big Fraud Theory , right ?

You possibly can't compare those theories with the String Theory. Evolution and all happened in the past and have evidence that prove they did. Homology, fossils, works of DNA, anatomical vestiges all support the theory that we came from a common ancestor and evolve with time. Astronomical observation of the spreading universe, increasing space beween galaxies, microwave background detection points to the possibilty of the Big Bang. String Theory is like 'an idea' of what happens in some 'possible universe'. Most scientists, if not all, who are involved in the talks of the theory of do not claim its actuallity. The highest is a likely probability. It's not tested and observed yet. There is no evidence to support it, so why believe?

And how is the whole self-contradicting history-conflicting scientific-heretical Bible a stand to all the above?

Pr0ton

Pr0ton ...

FrancisTony:

It changed something.
He manifested in two nature i.e He changes to "any" anytime it pleases Him.
While praying, His human nature was manifesting and prayed to God.

Where did his God nature go to?

KingEbukasBlog:
Pr0ton ...

KingEbukasBlog:
Pr0ton

Anti-spam bot could misinterprete this you know.

Pr0ton:


He is still God.

So?

There is actually nothing like your defined Trinity in the Bible. It's inferred from what is noticed in the Bible, the Trinity I have been explaining. It's understandable how you would shift the embarrassment to the 'incomprehensive perception' of the Trinity, even when it is clear and glaring.

So your point is that there are three Gods

You don't mind explaining how.

Because at some point

GOD = God + God + God..

They are three distinct gods in one.

Because that's how you see it does not mean that's how it is .

You agree they are separately called God..i.e

Yahweh is God
Jesus is God
Holy Spirit is God.

How are these not three Gods? Remember they do operate too.

1 as 3 remember ? If you could understand this then you've no probs .

You possibly can't compare those theories with the String Theory. Evolution and all happened in the past and have evidence that prove they did. Homology, fossils, works of DNA, anatomical vestiges all support the theory that we came from a common ancestor and evolve with time. Astronomical observation of the spreading universe, increasing space beween galaxies, microwave background detection points to the possibilty of the Big Bang.

Lmaoooo .... lwkmd ... brother pr0ton according to you :

Pr0ton:


It's a proposed theory that's based on assumption. It's not testable. It's not witnessed. I don't believe it.

Are these theories testable - No

Were these theories witnessed - No

So Pr0ton you then shouldn't believe them. Why ? :

1. there is no such thing as MACRO -EVOLUTION

2. WHAT CAUSED THE BIG BANG?

3. LIFE CAN NEVER COME FORTH FROM THE NON LIVING

And how is the whole self-contradicting history-conflicting scientific-heretical Bible a stand to all the above?

"Misconception" is indeed a perfect word to describe what you hold of the bible

Pr0ton:




Anti-spam bot could misinterprete this you know.

yeah ...poor network

KingEbukasBlog:



Are these theories testable - No

Were these theories witnessed - No

So Pr0ton you then shouldn't believe them. Why ? :

String Theory is different from evolution and Big Bang. The theory proposes that it's happening, even now. One has to observe this to agree with the theory. Evolution happened long ago. There's no way to observe how it happened, but there is evidence that it happened

Now you get why I don't apply the same creteria to both different theories?

1. there is no such thing as MACRO -EVOLUTION

This is not the right way to debunk a theory. You have to prove why. But if the criteria up there are what you use to judge what's right from what's wrong in the evolutionary sense, then there is no such thing as Genesis 1, or the Biblical creation.

2. WHAT CAUSED THE BIG BANG?

No one knows.

3. LIFE CAN NEVER COME FORTH FROM THE NON LIVING

I would prefer 'could' to replace the 'can never'.

"Misconception" is indeed a perfect word to describe what you hold of the bible

It's also the perfect word you hold of science that disagrees with your bible.

malvisguy212:
what are you saying ? I don't understand you here.but If you think the verse is referring to Jesus, you are dead wrong.

I already know it wasn't about Jesus. Christians believe it's about jesus

dolphinheart:


Bur some say he is also 100% god.?

To believe that a mere man is God is one of the most foolish things I have ever heard about.

FrancisTony:

Philipians2:6
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider [size=40]equality with God[/size] something to be used to his own advantage.

@ bold >>> Footnote : or in the Form of God . (NI
V)
He is in the form of God , the nature/form of God is " spirit" john 4:24 , even angels share the same nature as spirits . Does that make them the Almighty ? Start thinking

Some humans will also be ressurected to live in heaven , and they will also be " partakers of the DIVINE NATURE " 2Pet 1:4 . I guess those humans re Almighty Gods since they now share the divine nature of God ?


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Coming to earth , Jesus EMPTIED the divine nature and became human . If u claim he came to earth with the divine nature , then you mean scripture lied that he emptied it .

Francistony
People said but Thomas called Him, which He ought to rebuke as He always do if He's not God.

Is It Not Written in your law that " ye are Gods" ?

Lol , even humans are Gods , so why would he rebuke it when the law itself said we are Gods .

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The point remain that : Jesus declares he has a God !!! " I am going to MY God and your God " ( John 20:17 )

His human nature had God same way He had a mother .

Baseless , so that means You and I have God because of our human nature ryt ?

Jesus have a God ! Simple .

Even in heaven , he has a God superior to him ( 1 cor 15: 24,27)

chuna1985:



I already know it wasn't about Jesus. Christians believe it's about jesus

NO. You are confused, you mistook isaiah 9 for isaiah 6.