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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:04pm On Dec 30, 2015
vooks:

And the other two were two other women CHOSEN to convey men into earth, right?

grin

Tell me about it.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:05pm On Dec 30, 2015
vooks:

Lord passing through and the gate being shut is Jesus birth and perpetual virginity.
Gates opened and men passing through is men born to tow other women

Really?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:05pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy:


grin

Tell me about it.
Mary is a gate, follow through your claims to their logical conclusion
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:06pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy:


Really?
Ask Catholicism who tell you Mary is a gate, one of the three gates
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:09pm On Dec 30, 2015
vooks:

Mary is a gate, follow through your claims to their logical conclusion

Concluded. Mary is the gate.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by KingEbukaNaija: 3:10pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy:


A different gate, Sir.

So who is that Gate ?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:10pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy:


Concluded. Mary is one of the three gates.
Excellent. What women are the other two gates?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:13pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy:

Your business if you believe she is full of sin and in heaven. I don't care.
You are building a strawman.
Who said she is full of sin and in heaven?
We simply demand evidence for your claims that
1. Mary is sinless
2. Mary is a perpetual virgin
3. Mary is in heaven

Sinners do end up in heaven btw. Moses is an example and so is Abraham, even Catholicism thinks so else why canonize saints? Or is canonization belief that the saints are immaculate?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:14pm On Dec 30, 2015
vooks:

Excellent. Mary is indeed the gate.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:14pm On Dec 30, 2015
[quote author=dmandy post=41486448][/quote]
What are the other two gates?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:15pm On Dec 30, 2015
vooks:

You are building a strawman.
Who said she is full of sin and in heaven?
We simply demand evidence for your claims that
1. Mary is sinless
2. Mary is a perpetual virgin
3. Mary is in heaven

Sinners do end up in heaven btw. Moses is an example and so is Abraham

If you think the mother of Jesus is full of Sin, how do you expect that to be a concern of Dmandy.

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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by KingEbukaNaija: 3:17pm On Dec 30, 2015
Vooks , ayoku777 : Its obvious dmandy is out of jokes to tell and I'm tired of gating about . This dude picked one gate and called it Mary but refused to reveal who the prince and the other gates are because it wouldn't blend into his crazy claim .

Its like trying to persuade a stubborn kid to tell the truth after evidences show he is lying

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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:17pm On Dec 30, 2015
vooks:

What are the other two gates?

I don't know. Can you tell why God left them only to use one? That one is where my focus is.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:18pm On Dec 30, 2015
KingEbukaNaija:
Vooks , ayoku777 : Its obvious dmandy is out of jokes to tell and I'm tired of gating about . This dude picked one gate and called it Mary but refused to reveal who the prince and the other gates are because it wouldn't blend into his crazy claim .

Its like trying to persuade a stubborn kid to tell the truth after evidences show he is lying

Sir,

Stay back and enjoy more. God decided that one gate must always be shut. There is nothing you or anyone can do about it with your conspiracy theories.

And the lie is that Jesus passed through Mary down to earth?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:20pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy:


If you think the mother of Jesus is full of Sin, how do you expect that to be a concern of Dmandy.
My broda,
This is not about what I think but the sanctity of scriptures
Romans 3:23 (KJV)
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

[b]Hebrews 4:15 (KJV)
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

How do you overlook and reject such beautiful revelation of the Holy Spirit?

Mary was as much in need of the blood of Jesus to wash her as me
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:21pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy:


Sir,

Stay back and enjoy more. God decided that one gate must always be shut. There is nothing you or anyone can do about it with your conspiracy theories.

And the lie is that Jesus passed through Mary down to earth?
The other two gates are which women?
Remind me I keep on forgetting
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:22pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy:


I don't know. Can you tell why God left them only to use one? That one is where my focus is.
What makes you think one of them is a woman?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:23pm On Dec 30, 2015
vooks:

My broda,
This is not about what I think but the sanctity of scriptures
Romans 3:23 (KJV)
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

[b]Hebrews 4:15 (KJV)
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.



How do you overlook and reject such beautiful revelation of the Holy Spirit?

Sir,

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

compare

luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:24pm On Dec 30, 2015
vooks:

What makes you think one of them is a woman?

because the Lord passed through, and it was shut and it shall remain so.

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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:26pm On Dec 30, 2015
vooks:

The other two gates are which women?
Remind me I keep on forgetting

I don't know. I don't know any other virgins, but God chose one and she said 'yes'.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:26pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy:


Sir,

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

compare

luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

There is a righteousness that is according to the law and this even Paul excelled. But this righteousness even at its best is as filthy rags, that's why Jesus died for you my friend, so you can received his righteousness which is by faith
Philippians 3:6-9 (KJV)
Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10


How does this prove anything? That ALL is not ALL?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:27pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy:


I don't know. I don't know any other virgins, but God chose one and she said 'yes'.
Your logic makes one gate out of three to be a woman. Does it not follow that the rest are women?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:27pm On Dec 30, 2015
vooks:


There is a righteousness that is according to the law and this even Paul excelled. But this righteousness even at its best is as filthy rags, that's why Jesus died for you my friend, so you can received his righteousness which is by faith

How does this prove anything? That ALL is not ALL?

The bible said "None" no, not one. Yet, we found people who were righteous before the lord.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:27pm On Dec 30, 2015
vooks:

Your logic makes one gate out of three to be a woman. Does it not follow that the rest are women?

Possibly.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:30pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy:


The bible said "None" no, not one. Yet, we found people who were righteous before the lord.

Because there is righteousness which is of the law and righteousness which is by faith

Philippians 3:6-9 (KJV)
Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:


Paul was blameless as far as the Torah is concerned. Why did Jesus save him?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:31pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy:


Possibly.
There is no other conclusion, not a possibility, this is demanded by your reasoning. Go and ask your handlers who these two women are
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:32pm On Dec 30, 2015
vooks:

There is no other conclusion, not a possibility, this is demanded by your reasoning. Go and ask your handlers who these two women are
okay.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:32pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy:

okay.
So, who are they?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by KingEbukaNaija: 3:33pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy:


Sir,

Stay back and enjoy more. God decided that one gate must always be shut. There is nothing you or anyone can do about it with your conspiracy theories.

And the lie is that Jesus passed through Mary down to earth?

You sound crazy to me . The whole thing is a revelation . From Ezekiel 40 , it talked about the measurements of the east gate which after been built in Ezekiel 43 it was shut after God passed through it . Its a mere gate , nothing more , nothing less . Other chapters talked about the chambers of the priest , north gate , south gate , outer court etc showing its a building .

Vision of the New Temple
40 In the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after the city was struck down, on that very day, the hand of the Lord was upon me, and he brought me to the city.[a] 2 In visions of God he brought me to the land of Israel, and set me down on a very high mountain, on which was a structure like a city to the south. 3 When he brought me there, behold, there was a man whose appearance was like bronze, with a linen cord and a measuring reed in his hand. And he was standing in the gateway. 4 And the man said to me, “Son of man, look with your eyes, and hear with your ears, and set your heart upon all that I shall show you, for you were brought here in order that I might show it to you. Declare all that you see to the house of Israel.”

The East Gate to the Outer Court
5 And behold, there was a wall all around the outside of the temple area, and the length of the measuring reed in the man's hand was six long cubits, each being a cubit and a handbreadth[b] in length. So he measured the thickness of the wall, one reed; and the height, one reed. 6 Then he went into the gateway facing east, going up its steps, and measured the threshold of the gate, one reed deep.[c]


7 And the side rooms, one reed long and one reed broad; and the space between the side rooms, five cubits; and the threshold of the gate by the vestibule of the gate at the inner end, one reed. 8 Then he measured the vestibule of the gateway, on the inside, one reed. 9 Then he measured the vestibule of the gateway, eight cubits; and its jambs, two cubits; and the vestibule of the gate was at the inner end. 10 And there were three side rooms on either side of the east gate. The three were of the same size, and the jambs on either side were of the same size.

11 Then he measured the width of the opening of the gateway, ten cubits; and the length of the gateway, thirteen cubits.

12 There was a barrier before the side rooms, one cubit on either side. And the side rooms were six cubits on either side. 13 Then he measured the gate from the ceiling of the one side room to the ceiling of the other, a breadth of twenty-five cubits; the openings faced each other. 14 He measured also the vestibule, twenty cubits. And around the vestibule of the gateway was the court.[d] 15 From the front of the gate at the entrance to the front of the inner vestibule of the gate was fifty cubits. 16 And the gateway had windows all around, narrowing inwards toward the side rooms and toward their jambs, and likewise the vestibule had windows all around inside, and on the jambs were palm trees.

Asserting that the gate is Mary makes no sense because its a revelation of a full Temple building with measurements . cheesy
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:33pm On Dec 30, 2015
vooks:


Because there is righteousness which is of the law and righteousness which is by faith

Philippians 3:6-9 (KJV)
Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:


Paul was blameless as far as the Torah is concerned. Why did Jesus save him?

Did the passage differentiate? Or you are adding that it says None, no not even one.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:34pm On Dec 30, 2015
KingEbukaNaija:


You sound crazy to me . The whole thing is a revelation . From Ezekiel 40 , it talked about the measurements of the east gate which after been built in Ezekiel 43 it was shut after God passed through it . Its a mere gate , nothing more , nothing less . Other chapters talked about the chambers of the priest , north gate , south gate , outer court etc showing its a building .

Vision of the New Temple
40 In the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after the city was struck down, on that very day, the hand of the Lord was upon me, and he brought me to the city.[a] 2 In visions of God he brought me to the land of Israel, and set me down on a very high mountain, on which was a structure like a city to the south. 3 When he brought me there, behold, there was a man whose appearance was like bronze, with a linen cord and a measuring reed in his hand. And he was standing in the gateway. 4 And the man said to me, “Son of man, look with your eyes, and hear with your ears, and set your heart upon all that I shall show you, for you were brought here in order that I might show it to you. Declare all that you see to the house of Israel.”

The East Gate to the Outer Court
5 And behold, there was a wall all around the outside of the temple area, and the length of the measuring reed in the man's hand was six long cubits, each being a cubit and a handbreadth[b] in length. So he measured the thickness of the wall, one reed; and the height, one reed. 6 Then he went into the gateway facing east, going up its steps, and measured the threshold of the gate, one reed deep.[c]


7 And the side rooms, one reed long and one reed broad; and the space between the side rooms, five cubits; and the threshold of the gate by the vestibule of the gate at the inner end, one reed. 8 Then he measured the vestibule of the gateway, on the inside, one reed. 9 Then he measured the vestibule of the gateway, eight cubits; and its jambs, two cubits; and the vestibule of the gate was at the inner end. 10 And there were three side rooms on either side of the east gate. The three were of the same size, and the jambs on either side were of the same size.

11 Then he measured the width of the opening of the gateway, ten cubits; and the length of the gateway, thirteen cubits.

12 There was a barrier before the side rooms, one cubit on either side. And the side rooms were six cubits on either side. 13 Then he measured the gate from the ceiling of the one side room to the ceiling of the other, a breadth of twenty-five cubits; the openings faced each other. 14 He measured also the vestibule, twenty cubits. And around the vestibule of the gateway was the court.[d] 15 From the front of the gate at the entrance to the front of the inner vestibule of the gate was fifty cubits. 16 And the gateway had windows all around, narrowing inwards toward the side rooms and toward their jambs, and likewise the vestibule had windows all around inside, and on the jambs were palm trees.

Asserting that the gate is Mary makes no sense because its a revelation of a full Temple building with measurements . cheesy



God bless you for the bold statement. That is what it is.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:34pm On Dec 30, 2015
dmandy,
If sinlessness and righteousness can be accomplished by means other than Jesus Christ, why did He die for us?

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