Some Igbo people have come again to repeat the endless cycle of "One Igbo" and "Nri Ancestry" town crying. Rather than engaging in practical endeavors to keep our various lects and cultures thriving and growing, some are here showing paranoia over Igbo Unity and throwing insults for no reason.

Anyway, leave Ngwa and surrounding communities out of this Nri discussion. Ngwa and co. have nothing to do with Nri. If you didn't know before, you do now.

ChinenyeN:
Some Igbo people have come again to repeat the endless cycle of "One Igbo" and "Nri Ancestry" town crying. Rather than engaging in practical endeavors to keep our various lects and cultures thriving and growing, some are here showing paranoia over Igbo Unity and throwing insults for no reason.

Anyway, leave Ngwa and surrounding communities out of this Nri discussion. Ngwa and co. have nothing to do with Nri. If you didn't know before, you do now.

we are discussing about Nri Civillization.
I have read about the Igbos of Ngwa extraction and how organized and advanced they were historically..
I love Ngwa Dialect. Very sweet
- Ndi Ngwa E le Otu?
Ngwa Mmamanu
IGBO KWENU

HopeAtHand peeping again in IGBO THREAD. Are you guys dis inferior or just attention seekers?

Udmaster, so you spent your midnight arguing over issues beyond you. The British out of convenience lumped different ethnicities and used a uniform name to identify them. The Ikwerreman has nothing in common with most igbo clans. We cannot hear a sentence of what they say. They cant hear us either.

The British became aware of the situation when the Igbo union Bible was tested in Churches in Ikwerreland and it was a total disaster as the users were more confused when it was introduced. This prompted the teaching of Igbo language in schools in Ikwerreland.

The efforts made by Ikwerres to be recognised as a distinct ethnicity since colonial times until 1970 when it came to fruition cannot be over-emphasized. The question for you is why would Ikwerres ask for a separate identity from Igbos if they were our kith and kin. Who separates from family?? Pls grow some sense.

HopeAtHand:
Udmaster, so you spent your midnight arguing over issues beyond you. The British out of convenience lumped different ethnicities and used a uniform name to identify them. The Ikwerreman has nothing in common with most igbo clans. We cannot hear a sentence of what they say. They cant hear us either.

The British became aware of the situation when the Igbo union Bible was tested in Churches in Ikwerreland and it was a total disaster as the users were more confused when it was introduced. This prompted the teaching of Igbo language in schools in Ikwerreland.

The efforts made by Ikwerres to be recognised as a distinct ethnicity since colonial times until 1970 when it came to fruition cannot be over-emphasized. The question for you is why would Ikwerres ask for a separate identity from Igbos if they were our kith and kin. Who separates from family?? Pls grow some sense.

hahahahahaha.. When you people were deported from benin according to ur clownish 1970 history, you people started stealing Igbo names, Dialect, deities etc. What happened to your benin identity?
Equaino far back as 1768 in his biography told the world about his PROUD IGBO IDENTITY and many Igbo civilizations.
- having many clans is a sign of a Big Tribe.

HopeAtHand:
Udmaster, so you spent your midnight arguing over issues beyond you. The British out of convenience lumped different ethnicities and used a uniform name to identify them. The Ikwerreman has nothing in common with most igbo clans. We cannot hear a sentence of what they say. They cant hear us either.

The British became aware of the situation when the Igbo union Bible was tested in Churches in Ikwerreland and it was a total disaster as the users were more confused when it was introduced. This prompted the teaching of Igbo language in schools in Ikwerreland.

The efforts made by Ikwerres to be recognised as a distinct ethnicity since colonial times until 1970 when it came to fruition cannot be over-emphasized. The question for you is why would Ikwerres ask for a separate identity from Igbos if they were our kith and kin. Who separates from family?? Pls grow some sense.

Most Igbo languages are distinct on their right. But the important thing is that we have evolved to become one. Igbo bu otu.

mechy:


Most Igbo languages are distinct on their right. But the important thing is that we have evolved to become one. Igbo bu otu.

leave those 1970 benin deportees.
They should thank the IGBOS for civilizing them with some of our identities.

Lilimax:
I am from uruofolo Nri too Small world!

indeed my sister

Udmaster:
leave those 1970 benin deportees.
They should thank the IGBOS for civilizing them with some of our identities.

That dude HopeAtHand is just here to catch fun, and possibly derail the thread.....

mechy:


Most Igbo languages are distinct on their right. But the important thing is that we have evolved to become one. Igbo bu otu.

Lolz, I did not know distinct languages evolves to become one.Bro, reverse is the case. If everyone spoke one langauge 200yrs ago, when outward migration begins, some lose the original language. If Igbo language is spoken now in my community, except me, every other person will be lost. And it has always been this way..

mechy:

That dude HopeAtHand is just here to catch fun, and possibly derail the thread.....

No, i am here to catch Igbo girls.

HopeAtHand:


Lolz, I did not know distinct languages evolves to become one.Bro, reverse is the case. If everyone spoke one langauge 200yrs ago, when outward migration begins, some lose the original language. If Igbo language is spoken now in my community, except me, every other person will be lost. And it has always been this way..

Abeg commot for road. Are all Ikwerre languages the same? Do Obio/Akpor speak the same thing with Emohua? You will agree with me that there are various ways of pronouncing the same thing. What is the different between nye buzu and nye oshi? Yet Ikwerre bu otu.

HopeAtHand:


No, i am here to catch Igbo girls.

Its in your gene... chasing igbo gals up and down.... may be I should call you bingo aka nkita

001ng:
Igbo enweghi Eze.



He is Eze Nri, he has no influence in other igbo communities. You guys should stop this hyping. I'm Igbo, my genealogy and that of my village didn't originate from Nri.

I wonder oh.

Reading the book by ex-slave, Olaudah Equiano, it is clear that there was no resemblance of king in Igboland. Igbos then only heard about the very distant Oba of Benin. The Aro people had the opportunity of creating an Igbo or Aro empire, but they knew nothing about statehood; they only concerned themselves with slave trading.

gykes:



Smh! Rumuokoro is Infact my community. The man Okoro had two wives and the first son of the 1st wife is my town(village)...smh.... I will stop here... your ignorance though.....

Okoro must be a Bini name borrowed by Igbos.

Udmaster:
Umunna is an Igbo Village Authority but outside your village you must be under an Autonomous Confederation of many united Villages who are from the same patriachial lineage with an EZE at the head.

That is not true. Even Chinua Achebe's "things Fall Apart" shows how Igboland was before the Europeans came.

HopeAtHand:
Udmaster, so you spent your midnight arguing over issues beyond you. The British out of convenience lumped different ethnicities and used a uniform name to identify them. The Ikwerreman has nothing in common with most igbo clans. We cannot hear a sentence of what they say. They cant hear us either.

The British became aware of the situation when the Igbo union Bible was tested in Churches in Ikwerreland and it was a total disaster as the users were more confused when it was introduced. This prompted the teaching of Igbo language in schools in Ikwerreland.

The efforts made by Ikwerres to be recognised as a distinct ethnicity since colonial times until 1970 when it came to fruition cannot be over-emphasized. The question for you is why would Ikwerres ask for a separate identity from Igbos if they were our kith and kin. Who separates from family?? Pls grow some sense.

The Igbo union bible failed in other areas of Igboland as well, not just in Ikwerre land. Why do you think union Igbo was dropped and Igbo Izugbe was formed instead? The Isuama Igbo dialect missonaries collected from Igbo speakers in Sierra Leone (turned out to be a mixture of several southern dialects as majority of slaves taken from Igboland were from Imo/Abia/Rivers Igbo areas) failed in Aboh, Delta state (enuani speakers, similar to Onitsha dialect) because the people of Aboh could not understand a supposedly southern Igbo dialect. It is not just peculiar to Ikwerre.

An onitsha man would not be able to understand a core Abakaliki speaker or Owerri speaker yet they are all Igbos.

After playing the Bini-Akalaka card and it didn't work for you, you decided to come up with Union Igbo difference from Ikwerre to support your 'being different' which still does not make any sense. Your argument does not hold water.

Kei144:


I wonder oh.

Reading the book by ex-slave, Olaudah Equiano, it is clear that there was no resemblance of king in Igboland. Igbos then only heard about the very distant Oba of Benin. The Aro people had the opportunity of creating an Igbo or Aro empire, but they knew nothing about statehood; they only concerned themselves with slave trading.

The Nri hegemony was more of a spiritual role amongst other Igbo sub-groups. Their function can be said to be similar to the priestly or religious function of the Levite tribe of Israel amongst all 12 tribes of Israel.

Udmaster:
HopeAtHand peeping again in IGBO THREAD.
Are you guys dis inferior or just attention seekers?

I told you she just loves attention didn't I?

bigfrancis21:


You see, I'm from Enugwu-ukwu and according to the story, Nri had sons and a daughter. When his sons were all grown up they began to leave their father's house one by one. The first son left and founded Enugwu-ukwu, another son left and founded Nawfia (N'ofia a - in this bush), another Osunakidi (from 'o sugo gi n'akidi', later changed to Enugwu-Agidi because the people did not like the 'osu' part of the name. It is said that this particular son of Nri loved eating akidi so much that when his father, Nri, came to visit him, he found him eating Akidi as usual and then he said to him, 'O sugo gi n'akidi', and that's how the name stuck.) etc. However, one son of his never left and remained behind with his father in his homestead and that son was the last born and that is Agukwu-nri. Agukwu-Nri is said to be where Nri settled in. By virtue of being the first son of Nri, Enugwu-ukwu town houses the Ofo of Nri (Ofo Nri) and the Igwe of Enugwu-ukwu Nri is said to be the Igwe of Umunri (king of Nri descendants).

By seniority, Enugwu-ukwu is the most senior, however the last born son never left his father's stead but settled there till after Nri died and took over the affairs of the place.

thanks for the detailed info. I'm also from Enugwu-Ukwu and I know all that but why did Enugwu-Agidi change their name from Osunakidi, is because of the first son? Then where did the only daugther go to or married to? Why Agukwu-Nri people claim they have the ofo since the last born took over their father's throne? Agukwu and enugwu-ukwu who has the ofo?

bigfrancis21:


How come Bini historical records have no history of this supposed Aka person or even the much-touted Ezechime? Matter of fact, what is your proof of this so-called Aka-Nri migration from Bini?

Are you aware that the 'uku' word in the Bini king's title, 'Omo n'oba akpolokpolo Uku' that means 'great' comes most likely from Igbo, meaning 'great' just as we have Igbo Ukwu, Issele Uku etc. in Igboland?

Are you aware that the Binis, Idomas and Igalas all use the Igbo 4 market days of Eke, Orie/Oye, Afor and Nkwo which are most likely as a result of Nri influence on the Binis, Igalas and Idomas?

One thing u need to knw is dat alot of exodus or outward migratn of pipo occurrd as a result of chaos which trailed d collapse of d Ogiso Dynasty 900AD! And most of dese migratns were not accountd for in Bini history because they took place in a period of unrest, nd moreova, many of dese parties left secretly nd quietly. Do u knw dat ancient name of Benin is Aka?

nerilove:
thanks for the detailed info. I'm also from Enugwu-Ukwu and I know all that but why did Enugwu-Agidi change their name from Osunakidi, is because of the first son? Then where did the only daugther go to or married to? Why Agukwu-Nri people claim they have the ofo since the last born took over their father's throne? Agukwu and enugwu-ukwu who has the ofo?

Enugwu-Agidi changed their name from Osunakidi because of the 'osu' in the name which outsiders could misconstrue to be 'outcast', given that they were not Osu actually.

I think the daughter of Nri married into the Igala kingdom, according to history.

Ofo Nri lies in Enugwu-ukwu and the Igwe of EU is the Igwe of Umunri. However, Agukwu-Nri never left his father's homestead and took over the affairs of the place after his father died. Agukwu-Nri, being where Nri settled, has some level of importance as Enugwu-ukwu does.

HopeAtHand:
I like this thread. This thread examplifies the true Republican nature of the Igbo. It is should not be seen as lack of cohesion when arguments are being made as to the origin of the entire Igbo race. Arguments helps to create a clearer picture of the issue at hand.I like the arguments, very insightful and revealing. Big Thanks to udordike, bigmarx and okwadatigbogal aswell as udmaster for your revealing contributions.

As an Ikwerre, the Nri story isnt something we are conversant when our history is told. In all, big ups to all of you.

Elechi Amadi mentioned a race of magician-dwarfs called Wakanchis in his novels. Wakanchis does sound like Nwakanris/Nwakanshis (Nri dwarfs). While this isn't proof that the Nri were a factor in Ikwerre history, I do wonder if it could mean that the Ikwerre were aware of the Nri in one form or the other - maybe as some magical people in a land far, far away?

Do the 'Wakanchis' form part of Ikwerre folklore, or is it something Elechi Amadi came up with for his novels?

This is what wikipedia says on inri kingdom. I will love to read any book that concisely give details on this civilization.

The Kingdom of Nri (Igbo: 'Ọ̀ràézè Ǹrì') (948–1911) was the West African medieval region in southeastern Nigeria, a subgroup of the Igbo speaking people. The Kingdom of Nri was unusual in the history of world government in that its leader exercised no military power over his subjects. The kingdom existed as a sphere of religious and political influence over a third of Igboland, and was administered by a priest-king called as an Eze Nri. The Eze Nri managed trade and diplomacy on behalf of the Igbo people, and possessed divine authority in religious matters.

The kingdom was a safe haven for all those who had been rejected in their communities and also a place where slaves were set free from their bondage. Nri expanded through converts gaining neighboring communities' allegiance, not by force. Nri's royal founder, Eri, is said to be a 'sky being' that came down to earth and then established civilization. One of the better-known remnants of the Nri civilization is its art, as manifested in the Igbo Ukwu bronze items.

Nri's culture had permanently influenced the Northern and Western Igbo, especially through religion and taboos. British colonialism, the Atlantic slave trade and the rise of Bini and Igala kingdoms, contributed to the decline of the Nri Kingdom. The Nri Kingdom is going through a cultural revival.

Radoillo:


Elechi Amadi mentioned a race of magician-dwarfs called Wakanchis in his novels. Wakanchis does sound like Nwakanris/Nwakanshis (Nri dwarfs). While this isn't proof that the Nri were a factor in Ikwerre history, I do wonder if it could mean that the Ikwerre were aware of the Nri in one form or the other - maybe as some magical people in a land far, far away?

Do the 'Wakanchis' form part of Ikwerre folklore, or is it something Elechi Amadi came up with for his novels?

The NRI kingdom was already existing before major settlement started to spring up in Eastern/Coastal region of SE/SS Excluding Benin, warri, Itsekiri etc Yes the ikwerres' were aware of the NRI kingdom.

B2mario:


Oga you are wrong, Abiriba migrated from Andoni, some Arochukwu migrated from Ibibio while the Isus have their ancestral home in Amaigbo. God created the Ngwas the place they are, they did not come from anywhere rather many tribes like mbaise, some parts of Ikwerre, Etche, and Ndoki migrated from Ngwa.

The truth is the whole stuff is more complex than we assume. You made a good point but let me say this m those towns you mention did not migrate from one source! That is the bigger complexity. For instance, the whole of Etche, Ndoki, Mbaise did not migrate from one source. My king's title has no replica in the whole of the local Govt, but some distant clan in another local Govt a particular king uses the same title....and my dad said we migrated from the same source. but we are not even in the same LGA. It is more complex than we assume

Bigmarx:
The truth is the whole stuff is more complex than we assume. You made a good point but let me say this m those towns you mention did not migrate from one source! That is the bigger complexity. For instance, the whole of Etche, Ndoki, Mbaise did not migrate from one source. My king's title has no replica in the whole of the local Govt, but some distant clan in another local Govt a particular king uses the same title....and my dad said we migrated from the same source. but we are not even in the same LGA. It is more complex than we assume

This whole complexity came up as a result of state creation.... the east could be considered a melting pot of various people over time which adopt a single language for easy communication. I could be wrong anyway.

Bigmarx:
The truth is the whole stuff is more complex than we assume. You made a good point but let me say this m those towns you mention did not migrate from one source! That is the bigger complexity. For instance, the whole of Etche, Ndoki, Mbaise did not migrate from one source. My king's title has no replica in the whole of the local Govt, but some distant clan in another local Govt a particular king uses the same title....and my dad said we migrated from the same source. but we are not even in the same LGA. It is more complex than we assume

Oga you are right but you did not quote me well. I did not say that the whole part of Etche, Ndoki and Ikwerre rather I said some parts. The only mistake I made was in the area of Mbaise where i did not use 'some part'.

It is also well known that some parts of Ngwa migrated from Arochukwu, Owerri, Umuahia etc. And some part of Ndoki migrated from Ijaw and the evidence could be seen in some of their culture.

fluxbush:
We Abians have no link or history whatsoever with Nri. I don't understand why Anambraians believe that ALL Igbos originated from Nri. Balderdash.

pls tell them o..
Cos i ve told udmaster the op that we the imo,abia and ebonyi dont believe such crap...

001ng:
Igbo enweghi Eze.



He is Eze Nri, he has no influence in other igbo communities. You guys should stop this hyping. I'm Igbo, my genealogy and that of my village didn't originate from Nri.

pls where is ur village?

okwadatigbogal:


The ancient writing system u talk about is called NSIBIDI! it was originated from the Ibibio/Efik people and the Aro's being closely affiliated with the Ibibios were the first set of present day Igbos to use it. It never originated from NRI. Aro is greatly affiliated with the Ibibios in present day Cross-River. Many ancient texts has even ascribed our origin to and Ibibio prince. That is why we have a lot of things in common with them. Even the popular long juju of the Aro people is called - Ibini Ukpabi(does it sound igbo to u). We have the Ekpe cult system and original Aro dialect is very mixed with Ibibio. So pls learn a little about history before u distort it. It is really offensive to see ppl claiming nonsense. In the past Aro people were known as the - Igbocalabar.

fact

HopeAtHand:
I like this thread. This thread examplifies the true Republican nature of the Igbo. It is should not be seen as lack of cohesion when arguments are being made as to the origin of the entire Igbo race. Arguments helps to create a clearer picture of the issue at hand.I like the arguments, very insightful and revealing. Big Thanks to udordike, bigmarx and okwadatigbogal aswell as udmaster for your revealing contributions.

As an Ikwerre, the Nri story isnt something we are conversant when our history is told. In all, big ups to all of you.

so you dont know that we the igbos re republican in nature?
anyway, that s the way of our lives.

there re okrika and ikwerre settlers in imo state and these tribes do not originate from nri.
The same to abia state(aro) and ebonyi..
But no matter how we argued here.
We re proud igbos...
Pls take note of that..
One love.