DoctorAlien:


LOL, you don't abide by the commandments of GOD? You kill? steal? bear false witness? WOW!

I love as Christ commanded

Bobbysworld28:
I love as Christ commanded

How did Christ command to love? Answer me.

Bobbysworld28:

I love as Christ commanded

Maybe GOD did not command love but Christ commanded love. Is that what you're trying to say?

DoctorAlien:
Hebrews 4 is talking to the Jews, about the eternal rest of GOD(in Heaven) prepared for the saints of GOD, those who believe on Jesus Christ. It is not news that at the time this was written, the Jews refused to believe on Jesus Christ as the Messiah. Paul warns them not to miss that rest. So, you can never use it as an evidence to say that the Sabbath of GOD has been cancelled. Let him that reads understand.

The sabbath was given to the Jews and u keep it. It has been shown to u that it has been changed from seventh day to Today, u find it difficult to accept, y? Does it threatened ur institutionalised beliefs?

Concerning whether Abraham and all the Holy men of GOD throughout the ages kept the law of GOD, let us consider Psalm 119:160: "All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal." (NIV)

Please what does eternal mean? Something to be done away with at some point? surely not. The law of GOD is eternal: from ages to ages it remaineth the same. AMEN.

DoctorAlien:


Maybe GOD did not command love but Christ commanded love. Is that what you're trying to say?

Continuu

Bobbysworld28:


The sabbath was given to the Jews and u keep it. It has been shown to u that it has been changed from seventh day to Today, u find it difficult to accept, y? Does it threatened ur institutionalised beliefs?

LOL. Maybe only the Sabbath commandment was given to the Jews but the other 9 commandments were given to Christians? Why do you find it difficult to accept the truth of GOD?

(What?! The Sabbath of GOD has been changed from Saturday to today? On whose authority? GOD's? Christ's?)

DoctorAlien:
Concerning whether Abraham and all the Holy men of GOD throughout the ages kept the law of GOD, let us consider Psalm 119:160: "All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal." (NIV)

Please what does eternal mean? Something to be done away with at some point? surely not. The law of GOD is eternal: from ages to ages it remaineth the same. AMEN.

Chisos! Daddy u can lie o.
So dt Psalm talks about God giving Abraham the 10 commandments?
Y r u grasping at straws? Go back, think through and come back when u r ready to make sensible argument

DoctorAlien:


LOL. Maybe only the Sabbath commandment was given to the Jews but the other 9 commandments were given to Christians? Why do you find it difficult to accept the truth of GOD?

(What?! The Sabbath of GOD has been changed from Saturday to today? On whose authority? GOD's? Christ's?)

It is either u cannot comprehend or u r dumb. How many times will this be shown in Heb4?
I am out of this thread

Bobbysworld28:


Chisos! Daddy u can lie o.
So dt Psalm talks about God giving Abraham the 10 commandments?
Y r u grasping at straws? Go back, think through and come back when u r ready to make sensible argument

If anyone is grasping at straws, you are surely the person. Go back and read your Bible with an open mind. I pray the LORD will open your heart and eyes to His truths. Peace be with you.

Muafrika2:



Jesus did not really observe a one day a week service. The concept of Sunday or Saturday worship was a post resurrection arrangement. I believe at first, their meetings were daily;


Acts 5:42 |
And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

Now explain Lake 4:16. Emphasis "as it was His custom".

Bobbysworld28:

It is either u cannot comprehend or u r dumb. How many times will this be shown in Heb4?
I am out of this thread

And how many times will I explain Heb.4 to you?

Indeed, even the Pharisees called Jesus Beelzebub

I pray the LORD brings you to the full knowledge of His word.

Ahmed99:
ma broda where u c Saturday for bible...dey said sabbath day so it doesn't matter if its Saturday or Sunday just kip it holy#shikena

Did you say "the day does not matter"? Now read Exodus 20:8-11 and tell me if it does not matter to observe one day.

thorpido:
Please try and go through the explanation i made with money.
Man cannot attain unto the righteousness of God by trying to keep the law because the flesh cannot make man perfect.Jesus came to give(to everyone who believes)the righteousness of God which gives a man right standing with God.There is where the fulfilment is.That man can walk in righteousness which he cannot achieve by trying to keep the law perfectly which he cannot accomplish.

Does it then mean we should not keep the law because keeping the law can not give us righteousness?
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Without the law, there is no sin. It is the law that makes us a war of our sins.

Bobbysworld28:

Pure unaldultrated trash.
Sabbath day is Sabbath day. No difference.

Just explain your comment. I'm sure you don't even know what you posted.

Bobbysworld28:

Paul upheld the law? U need proper schooling o! Pls read through Romans.
The commandments of God at different times for different people cannot be generalised. The law came by Moses, Grace and TRUTH came by Jesus. Which do u want? Law or Truth?

Yes Paul upheld the law. Explain the bonded and give me bible quotes to support it.
Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. Whose law? God or Moses?
Psalms 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. 119:166 LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments. 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness. 119:174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight. 119:176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

Scholar8200:


Did Jesus ever state observance of weekly sabbath as a prerequisite for salvation?

Do you realize that Circumcision occupied a similar pedestal and when some tried to weave it as a prerequisite for salvation Paul and others withstood and resisted them and such were even identified as false teachers!

Do you find Paul,Peter, James, John etc exhorting the brethren to also observe the sabbath as a proof of their new life in Christ? If there is ONE pls quote it here!

If none, why would they leave it out?

What did Jesus mean when HE said the sabbath was made for man?

If observance of the weekly Sabbath is not a prerequisite for salvation, what did David mean here:

Psalms 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. 119:166 LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments. 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness. 119:174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight. 119:176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

Circumcision is part of the other sabbath feasts (not the weekly Sabbath day) that was nailed to the cross. I hope you know that there are various sabbaths?

Why don't you celebrate feast of tabernacle, passover, pentecost, feast of new moon, kill lamb? (Ceremonial law)
Why do you see stealing, adultery, killing, disobedience to parents as sin? (Moral law). But you don't regard the 4th commandment which is part of the moral law (different from the one mentioned in the ceremonial law).
It's because it is the ceremonial laws that have been done away with (the ordinances nailed to the cross). Paul specifies them in Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: so that we can be clear on the law (ceremonial law) which he was talking about. There were feasts of meats, drink, sabbaths of blowing trumpets, sabbaths of leaving a land to fallow, etc. These were all ceremonies unlike the seventh day Sabbath.

Bobbysworld28:

Jesus did not ask u to keep the commands given to Moses o!
U generalise too much. U seem persistent on the 10 commandments. Bro, get over it. They r obsolete and have been replaced

Did you say the 10 commandments are obsolete and being replaced? You no try for this statement. Oya show me from the bible where such was said.

DoctorAlien:


LOL. I try everyday to read my Bible and by GOD's divine grace my eyes are opened to His divine truths. Please, you should read your Bible and see for yourself that the Grace of our LORD Jesus Christ does not in anyway tamper with the divine law of GOD.

It is my earnest prayer that GOD will open your eyes to His divine truths. Only do not harden your heart.

Amen

Bobbysworld28:

Sorry i dont abide by any of them or even anything delivered through Moses.

Congrats then.

Philadelphia:


Does it then mean we should not keep the law because keeping the law can not give us righteousness?
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Without the law, there is no sin. It is the law that makes us a war of our sins.

DoctorAlien:


Does that mean we should no longer try to keep the commandments of GOD because maybe Christ gave us His righteousness? Do you not know that faith without works is dead?

And what do you think that Christ meant when He said the law cannot fail? Or when Paul said he upheld the law?

If you keep the commandment of God which is to love,you are keeping the law.

Philadelphia:


Did you say "the day does not matter"? Now read Exodus 20:8-11 and tell me if it does not matter to observe one day.

exodus 20:8-11 I quote8“ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days you shall la­bor and do all your work.
10but the sev­enth day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daugh­ter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cat­tle, nor your stranger who is with­in your gates.
11For in six days the LORD made the heav­ens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the sev­enth day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hal­lowed it. yea it matters all I said was either Saturday or Sunday only God knows

thorpido:
If you keep the commandment of God which is to love,you are keeping the law.

We are instructed by Jesus to love two entities: GOD and our fellow man. Now, how can you love GOD with your whole heart, soul and mind? Back it with Scripture.

Ahmed99:
exodus 20:8-11 I quote8“ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days you shall la­bor and do all your work.
10but the sev­enth day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daugh­ter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cat­tle, nor your stranger who is with­in your gates.
11For in six days the LORD made the heav­ens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the sev­enth day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hal­lowed it. yea it matters all I said was either Saturday or Sunday only God knows

Who does not know that the seventh day is Saturday? Even if doubts were to arise about the true identity of the Sabbath day, could the whole Jewish race have lost track of the true Sabbath of GOD? Not at all, brother. The Sabbath of the LORD is the seventh day, which is Saturday.

DoctorAlien:


We are instructed by Jesus to love two entities: GOD and our fellow man. Now, how can you love GOD with your whole heart, soul and mind? Back it with Scripture.

Go through my posts.I already explained that.

thorpido:
Go through my posts.I already explained that.

I don't need a human explanation on how to love GOD. I need a Bible verse explaining how we can love GOD with our whole heart, soul and mind. Can you give me one?

I know and I can give you a Bible verse that explains how to love GOD with our whole heart, soul and mind.

thorpido:
If you keep the commandment of God which is to love,you are keeping the law.

......On this hangs the law and the prophets. Explain in details what the love means here.
Well, Paul has explained it here:

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Where do you think Paul was quoting from in the previous bible text? Well, it was from the 10 commandments which God gave the Israelites through Moses.

This is what fulfilling of the law means. Jesus indeed fulfilled the law and not abolish it.

Now here's what James said:
James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
If the law was abolished by Jesus, why would James still be quoting it? Here, you find James also quoting from the 10 commandments.

In the above texts, Paul and James first start by making us know that the fulfilment of the law is to love. For people like you who would get it confused, they further go ahead to explain what this love means in context of "you shall love your neighbour as yourself" by giving us examples on how to love our neighbour. This they did by pointing us to commandments 5 downwards.

1 Corinthians 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love. Was Paul talking about the 10 commandments here? Of course he was. We are saved by grace through faith. The faith we have that we are saved by grace was it said to be the greatest? (For those of you thinking the law has no relationship with our salvation).

Paul was emphasising on Jesus' words here:

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Now read Deuteronomy chapter 5 and chapter 6. You would see that God gave Moses the commandments to give to the Israelites (chapter 5) and in chapter 6 where Jesus referred to as in Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

I pray God gives you and others who read understanding to understand these sacred words by the mouth of God spoken. Amen.

Ahmed99:
exodus 20:8-11 I quote8“ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days you shall la­bor and do all your work.
10but the sev­enth day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daugh­ter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cat­tle, nor your stranger who is with­in your gates.
11For in six days the LORD made the heav­ens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the sev­enth day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hal­lowed it. yea it matters all I said was either Saturday or Sunday only God knows

It is not only God that knows which day is the Sabbath day. I know, Doctoralien knows as well as millions of others who cared to know by studying. You too can know because God wants us to know and He did not hide it. If He didn't want us to know, why did He say we should "Remembe the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days you shall labour and do all your work but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God".
From where I quoted (you also quoted it), God has told us the day it is. Will you now open your heart to know the day to keep it holy?

Ahmed99:
exodus 20:8-11 I quote8“ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days you shall la­bor and do all your work.
10but the sev­enth day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daugh­ter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cat­tle, nor your stranger who is with­in your gates.
11For in six days the LORD made the heav­ens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the sev­enth day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hal­lowed it. yea it matters all I said was either Saturday or Sunday only God knows

Ask your pastor to tell you which day is the Sabbath day. If he tells you it was changed, ask for biblical proofs. You would marvel at what happens next.

DoctorAlien:


I don't need a human explanation on how to love GOD. I need a Bible verse explaining how we can love GOD with our whole heart, soul and mind. Can you give me one?

I know and I can give you a Bible verse that explains how to love GOD with our whole heart, soul and mind.

I've given him some bible verses already. Good morning bro

Philadelphia:

I've given him some bible verses already. Good morning bro

Good morning bro. How are you doing?

DoctorAlien:


Good morning bro. How are you doing?

I'm good. It surprises me how people see the truth crystal clear but choose error.