Philadelphia:


I'm good. It surprises me how people see the truth crystal clear but choose error.

DoctorAlien:


It's the sad reality brother. What more can we do than to pray earnestly that "the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea"(Hab.2:14)?

The harvest is truly plenty and the laborers, few.

Philadelphia:

If observance of the weekly Sabbath is not a prerequisite for salvation, what did David mean here:

Psalms 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. 119:166 LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments. 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness. 119:174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight. 119:176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

Circumcision is part of the other sabbath feasts (not the weekly Sabbath day) that was nailed to the cross. I hope you know that there are various sabbaths?

Why don't you celebrate feast of tabernacle, passover, pentecost, feast of new moon, kill lamb? (Ceremonial law)

Why do you see stealing, adultery, killing, disobedience to parents as sin? (Moral law). But you don't regard the 4th commandment which is part of the moral law (different from the one mentioned in the ceremonial law).

It's because it is the ceremonial laws that have been done away with (the ordinances nailed to the cross). Paul specifies them in Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: so that we can be clear on the law (ceremonial law) which he was talking about. There were feasts of meats, drink, sabbaths of blowing trumpets, sabbaths of leaving a land to fallow, etc. These were all ceremonies unlike the seventh day Sabbath.

Scholar8200:
Let's ask the Apostles and Christ Who at NO time called out 'sabbath breakers' and the need for them to repent and keep the sabbath in order to be saved!!!"

Scholar8200:
Besides, since the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in believers who walk after the Spirit, it means therefore that Christ fulfilled both the moral and the ceremonial!

Philadelphia:
A renowned person asked me or anyone who can to prove (only from the bible) any of the following and be given 1m naira.
1.) That the Sabbath day was changed from Saturday to Sunday.
2.) Where the bible instructs us to keep Sunday holy instead of Saturday (as the Sabbath day).
3.) That Jesus kept Sunday Holy as the Sabbath day.
Your pastors could assist you.

Derailers and atheist should keep off. Atheists, keep your beliefs only to yourselves.

DoctorAlien:


This is a lie most terrible. Christ blotted out the handwritings of the ordinances against us and not the moral Law of GOD.

Do you know that in fact Christ had to die because the moral Law of GOD (the 10 Commandments) cannot be tampered with? The wages of sin is death. What is sin? 1 Jn 3:4 answers: "...sin is the transgression of the Law". The sinner had to die, or another would die in his stead. "...Without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins."(Heb. 9:22). What the blood of lambs could do for persons who sacrificed them was to just cover their sins; it could not blot them out. A more perfect sacrifice had to be made for sins, and Christ was the perfect sacrifice. He died to save us all from the death penalty hanging on our heads because we sinned. HALLELUYAH!

thorpido:
Whoevere said they changed sabbath day from saturday to sunday?

I have even a better question for you Op?Where is it written in the bible that Christians have to keep sabbath?

JMAN05:


Oga, the law has ceased both ceremonial and moral. However, the principles still guides xtians.

Nkasiobi87:
.Sabbath day is for any body that calls him/her self a child of God.Hebrew 4:1-11.

JMAN05:


Let's see who can prove it.

Alwaystrue:
Colosians 2:16-17
16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.

Matthew 12:8
8 For the Son of Man is Lord, even over the Sabbath!

Sabbath means rest just as God rested on the 7th day from all his labours.
Jesus is the only One who can give rest and that is why He said:

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest


Further on we see:
Hebrews 4:1-8
God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. 2 For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God . 3 FOR ONLY WE WHO BELIEVE CAN ENTER HIS REST . As for the others, God said,

“In my anger I took an oath:
‘They will never enter my place of rest,’”

even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. 4 We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” 5 But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest."

6 So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. 7 So GOD SET ANOTHER TIME FOR ENTERING HIS REST, and that time is TODAY. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted:

“Today when you hear his voice,
don’t harden your hearts.”

8 Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. 9 So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. 10 FOR ALL WHO HAVE ENTERED INTO GOD' REST HAVE RESTED FROM THEIR LABOURS, JUST AS GOD DID AFTER CREATING THE WORLD. 11 So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall.
The true sabbath is shown in verse 10. All those who have faith in Jesus have entered His rest because they have rested from all their labours and allowed Jesus take Lordship and will and do His pleasure in their lives.

Conclusion:
Romans 14:5-6a
In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. 6 Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to HONOUR him.
Whatsoever you do, let it be to the glory of the Lord.

Alwaystrue:
In addition, the whole law is hinged on love. Let us ask ourselves therefore, how does 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy' reflect love?

I submit that this means we should love ourselves enought to:

1. Rest our bodies. How many people actually take time to rest? How many people chose to rest from physical labours trusting God to meet their needs on the day they do not work? I mean God feeds the birds without much toil, so resting one day will give you time to bond with family, friends and enjoy precious moments. This may even help reduce the numerous health challenges and people slumping and dying suddenly. God's laws are for our own good and they are not burden some either.

2. Rest our minds in Christ. Are you burdened and heavy laden? Come to Christ and be at rest. Worry and stressing on what we cannot change will not help. Relax in Christ and watch Him perfect all that concerns you. Remember Martha? Jesus said she was burdened about too many things but look at Mary...she sat at His feet in total surrender and was at peace. I think Mary was having a Sabbath in Luke 10:41-42.

I think keeping the Sabbath indeed is loving ourselves enough to rest and submit to God entirely.

Philadelphia:


Don't think. Know the scriptures.
You just answered yourself. What does it mean to "submit oneself unto God"? Can you submit yourself to God without worshipping Him? Never;

[size=20pt]THE 10 COMMANDMENTS SUMMARISES LOVE[/size]

What does it mean to love God?
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

What else is not clear?

Alwaystrue:


You seem really high-strung
Are you sure you are resting?

Possibly you should read my submission again and you will see I covered all angles.
I maintain that I THINK 'Keeping the Sabbath Holy' is the command that relates MORE to LOVING ONESELF too to rest.

Mark 6:31
Then Jesus said, "Let's go off by ourselves to a quiet place and rest awhile." He said this because there were so many people coming and going that Jesus and his apostles didn't even have time to eat.

Did you notice I am not against keeping the Sabbath but I explained proper understanding and knowing why?

It is not some legalistic robotic unloving exercise as was done by the Pharisee where they castigated Jesus disciples of plucking heads of corn and eating on the Sabbath or where Jesus healed on the Sabbath even though they would help their animal fallen into a pit.

Jesus is the Lord of Rest...Do you understand this?

DoctorAlien:


Jesus and the apostles had no need to call out Sabbath breakers particularly when they taught about relevance and sanctity of the Law because then, the antichrist (papacy) had not attempted "to change times and laws"(Daniel 7:25).

Do you know when and how disregard for the holy Sabbath of GOD came to be? From Adam up until the death of all the early Christians, no man disputed the sanctity of the holy Sabbath of the LORD. That was until the beast, the antichrist, the papacy thought it could tamper with the eternal Law of GOD.

Paul upheld the moral Law of GOD(Romans 3:31). Jesus emphasized the irrevocability of the Law (Matt. 5:17-19). All the holy men of GOD throughout the ages have kept the Sabbath of GOD.

Why do you think it should be any different now?

DoctorAlien:


This is a lie most terrible. Christ blotted out the handwritings of the ordinances against us and not the moral Law of GOD.

Do you know that in fact Christ had to die because the moral Law of GOD (the 10 Commandments) cannot be tampered with? The wages of sin is death. What is sin? 1 Jn 3:4 answers: "...sin is the transgression of the Law". The sinner had to die, or another would die in his stead. "...Without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins."(Heb. 9:22). What the blood of lambs could do for persons who sacrificed them was to just cover their sins; it could not blot them out. A more perfect sacrifice had to be made for sins, and Christ was the perfect sacrifice. He died to save us all from the death penalty hanging on our heads because we sinned. HALLELUYAH!

Scholar8200:
Then tell that to Paul and the Spirit Who Inspired Him:

that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:4

The highlighted has nothing to do with the ceremonial but the moral law!


Yes and when we receive Jesus Christ, the Spirit indwells us and we are enabled to walk such that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us! Besides we are enabled to serve:
... in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Romans 7:6b

forgiveness:


So, are you righteous, holy and perfect?

Scholar8200:
A rather indirect way to wrongly say the NT needs updating to meet the new developments that were not there!!! The antichrist has not come yet, what is prevalent now is the spirit of the antichrist. The NT is complete and applies to the Church of all time!
When Paul by the Spirit described the moral conditions that will be prevalent in the last days, why is sabbath breaking missing from the list?


How would you reconcile this said by Jesus with your exaltation on the sabbath?:

5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Matthew 12:5



And where did Jesus charge ANYONE to seek salvation by sabbath observance? And where did PAul tell the Gentiles,'except ye keep the sabbath after the manner of the fathers and Moses, ye cannot be saved?'

Scholar8200:
Then tell that to Paul and the Spirit Who Inspired Him:

that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:4

The highlighted has nothing to do with the ceremonial but the moral law!


Yes and when we receive Jesus Christ, the Spirit indwells us and we are enabled to walk such that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us! Besides we are enabled to serve:
... in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Romans 7:6b

Philadelphia:


DoctorAlien did not say "the antichrist had not come yet." He only said "the antichrist (papacy) had not attempted to change times and laws"(Daniel 7:25)."
This shows clearly that the antichrist had come but not yet "attempted" to change God's Divine Laws.

The antichrist has been here even in the time of Paul 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

So you are the one not understanding the scriptures as you claimed the antichrist has not come whereas the bible (as I quoted) makes it clear that the antichrist was even in the time of Paul.

Your not understanding this is due to your misconceptions about who the antichrist is and his mission.
Mind you Paul kept the Sabbath Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

I just discovered you don't read the posts before commenting.

You asked where Jesus charged anyone to seek salvation by observing the Sabbath. Well, here it is
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

You quote bible verses in parts just to suite your points.

From Matthew 12 where you quoted, Jesus was explaining to the pharisees that they make Sabbath keeping appear as a burden (which is not), that even the priests (who they hold in high esteem) break the Sabbath and they see them as "blameless" simply because they do not expect en understand what it means to keep the Sabbath. Matthew 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

And Jesus went further to say the one who is greater than their priests (Himself) is here. How can they accuse the greater (Jesus) of breaking the Sabbath and honour the lesser who even break the Sabbath (priests).
Jesus was not in anyway encouraging the priests who broke the Sabbath by saying they are "blameless". Else, he would be encouraging sin because sin is the transgression of God's law (which includes the 4th commandment).

Philadelphia:


You keep talking about fulfilment of the law. Yet, you know nothing about what this means.

Well, this is what fulfilling of the law means. Jesus indeed fulfilled the law and not abolish it.

Now here's what James said:
James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

If the law was abolished by Jesus, why would James still be quoting it? Here, you find James also quoting from the 10 commandments.

In the above texts, Paul and James first start by making us know that the fulfilment of the law is to love. For people like you who would get it confused, they further go ahead to explain what this love means in context of "you shall love your neighbour as yourself" by giving us examples on how to love our neighbour. This they did by pointing us to commandments 5 downwards.

Scholar8200:
There is a difference between the one (called the son of perdition/the prince etc) and the many forerunners possessed with the spirit of the one. The one was described in full in both Daniel and Revelations!

This is a one-sided claim that overlooks passages like:

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2 Thess. 2:7-9

This one had not yet come in Paul's time what they had then were just forerunners of him:

3 and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1 John 4:3
The spirit of the antichrist has been at work since that time (i wonder why you people claim it's the pope). But there is still a man of sin, antichrist to come that will carry out his exploits for just 7 years, half of which will be terror.

Where did he charge the gentile converts to keep the sabbath? Did Paul keep the sabbath as a means of obtaining salvation?
Besides, Acts 16:13 has something to tell you.

False accusation that!


Let's see:
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Matthew 19:21
The man had been obeying the law before then but still felt a need, a lack which the law could not satisfy!!! Take a cue from this man bro!
I am sure you have not done as much as he did and yet he had a need!!!

Alright'

So, was Jesus a sinner? God forbid!!! were the priests sinning? God forbid! Jesus said they were blameless even after profaning the sabbath The new testament believers are the priests and the Temple and hold to He Who is the Lord of the sabbath!!! Selah!

Scholar8200:
And where did Jesus charge ANYONE to seek salvation by sabbath observance? And where did PAul tell the Gentiles,'except ye keep the sabbath after the manner of the fathers and Moses, ye cannot be saved?'

Philadelphia:


Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.