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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by omogin(f): 9:55pm On Mar 31, 2016
Femi aribisala has made the point I've been singing into the ears of everyone that cared to listen. He has made my evening. I really do wish that the moderator who has being blocking me, gets to read this thread over and over and very slowly too. God bless you all

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Kooldude01: 9:56pm On Mar 31, 2016
Femi nailed it!

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by hadaydhollarpo(m): 9:57pm On Mar 31, 2016
Sm indomie brained ppl shout 2019 as if angels will be d candidates. 16 and 4 yrs isn't a small difference, boyhe! Mtchew....
odikimi:
Femi taken Falana, Sagay and that ugly bitch to the gutter.2019 pls come quickly
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by dannyjesutofunmi(m): 10:00pm On Mar 31, 2016
freeze001:
A classical representation of the playground bully who is usually a coward inside but puts on a false front of bravado because of his bigger size or in this case, the Dutch courage drawn from the elixir being in power. Rather than 'fight' with someone their size, they pick on 'easier prey'.

Ezekwesili and Sagay are just a tad bereft of ideas and comments with which to put down Femi's strong points and that is why they practically left the subject of discourse and started harassing students who clapped after listening to a speaker.

Femi was clear that there can be no acclaimed fight against corruption when the premise on which they rode into power was already corrupt. Glaring cases of nepotism, deliberate disregard of the rule of law and seeming concentration on people drawn from a particular group either due to their tribes or political affiliation are enough to rubbish the so called corruption fight. Students saw reason with both the content and form of his argument and showed their agreement in the most civil way possible, ie clapping.

Rather than address points raised and counter them or raise a more superior argument, they left Femi and attacked the students. I mean what is this?!



Or this?



Sagay, an erudite professor of law (as he then was), chose to attack the person of Femi and even draw Trump into the matter in referring to his idea of appreciation of unserious people. Tomorrow now if Donald Trump becomes POTUS, he will be one of those to wax poetic about how wonderful Trump is. So shameful!
You're a genious bro

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by meccuno: 10:03pm On Mar 31, 2016
Intrepid01:

Did you read the write up at all? you are one of the reason why Nigeria is where it is today.
when I read his post, I won't lie to u, I was weak!! A human being without a brain can do better

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by odikimi: 10:03pm On Mar 31, 2016
hadaydhollarpo:
Sm indomie brained ppl shout 2019 as if angels will be d candidates. 16 and 4 yrs isn't a small difference, boyhe! Mtchew....
Is dat d best u can say, pls go n hide yo shameless fish ●●●● somewhere down the drain. I know u want me to b banned but I ain't giving u that one chance.
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by ozimec(m): 10:06pm On Mar 31, 2016
mideactive:
Most of d crimes being handled by d efcc/icpc ar crimes committed by d people dat wer involved in d pdp govt of d last administration,n we al knw our justice system is very slow.I'm sure al those indicted wl be persecuted,it's just a matter of time.true we cannot say d present administration don't av very corrupt ppl but,I thing it should be handled one @ a time.n care must be taken so as not to put Nigeria in a very bad shap.perhaps,d past govt had every opportunity to deal wit d corrupt once in d apc,wat stoped him.is mr aribisala sayin dat we shold let d criminals go just bcus we don't want to witch hunt 'em?hw can an elderly man be against somethin like dis?is he sayin bcus Efcc n icpc wer formed by pdp,it cannot be used by apc.wat happens to Continuity?personally,I think we'r on a d right part,al we need is to subtract n add not to completely Condemn d process.so many revelations,so many Enlightenment,d people ar more aware now.is dat not something?wat's wrong wit men like aribisala?


The 2015 election was not an anti-corruption election. We did not have any political party that presented an anti-corruption mandate to us. The party that won the election was just a makeover of the PDP, I mean the PDP people moved from the PDP to the APC. If they were corrupt when they were in PDP, they became clean when they were in APC.

“So there is no mandate against corruption. If President Buhari was determined to fight against corruption, my feeling is that he gave up after losing election three times.

“Because the fourth time, he formed an alliance with people who he despised before. And they were not necessarily people who had a track record of being (sic) anti-corruption. So today, I don’t know who is anti-corruption.”

‎Mr. Aribisala said the current fight against corruption by the President Muhammadu Buhari government is merely a fight against the Peoples’ Democratic Party (PDP).

“We have to make up our minds if we really want to deal with the question of corruption. If we want to deal with the question of corruption, Nigerians themselves must insist on it and we have to deal with it at the institutional level,” he said.

“The institutional fight against corruption that has taken place to the extent that it has, took place under PDP. The institutional structures, even the ones that the present government is relying on, are PDP structures. Whether it is EFCC, ICPC, TSA, all these came under PDP.

“In ten months of Buhari’s‎ government, there has been no institutional structure that has been laid against corruption. We have simple had media circuses accusing people of corruption.


“You cannot fight corruption with corruption. And corruption is more than just the stealing of money. If you disobey the rule‎ of law, you have corrupted the system. If you create an avenue where you have a big margin between the official foreign exchange rate and the parallel market rate, there’s gonna be corruption. If you have children of the rich getting into the CBN on nepotistic grounds, the corruption is still with you.
“If you have a budget that is padded left right and centre, and after this was revealed you passed it and say only a small amount changed in it, and we do not know what is in the new budget, you can’t say you are against corruption. There is no transparency in any of these things.”

Mr. Aribisala further stated that the current anti-corruption effort‎ lacks a clear focus.
“Because the last 16 years was not just PDP government,” he said.

“The legacy parties of the APC were also in power. In fact when the PDP was ostensibly dealing with corruption, it addressed people in its own party. We are not having that now.
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by yaki84: 10:07pm On Mar 31, 2016
Deen77:


My question to Mr Femi is simple, is there no corrupt people in China we're they kill for corruption?. No country is totally free from corruption, Mr Femi is a PDP member where stealing is not corruption.

Very soon people we stone them, very soon.



na u dem go first stone cos even ur english is corrupt!
if u can't express ur self in written english, use pidgin.
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by mars123(m): 10:09pm On Mar 31, 2016
XaintJoel20:

An "idiot" will not lead you tomorrow. Who is leading you today
I don't think an Idiot is leading me today either.
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by bxcode(m): 10:10pm On Mar 31, 2016
It amuses me whenever I hear people say: we are fighting corruption in Nigeria, I just look at the person and feel sorry for the type of deception they are living under.
We are not even close to preparing for the fight yet, we are still in a deep slumber. How I wish I was among those students, Oby and Sagay would have had it really hot. Too bad our students are bereft of what is actually going on in their dear county.

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by yaki84: 10:11pm On Mar 31, 2016
Ozid:
I read it and i know people like u will quote me, is either you didn't understand wat Aribisala is saying or as usual ur parochial thinking cannot see that Aribisala is just being economical with the truth.

Where was Aribisala when corruption was the order of the day under Jonathan administration?

Because he knows that President Buhari is prepared to fight corruption to the least and people like him who have skeleton in his cupboard are not safe under this govt.

Mr too know book, Buhari will be your President for the next 3years the earlier u accept this painful peel the better for your health.



gej said stealing is not corruption so we understand.
now we r in era that not only stealing is corruption but also disobeying court order, rule of law, nepotism, shieldng ur partymen from conviction...all na corruption.
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Nobody: 10:19pm On Mar 31, 2016
Ozid:
This Mr Aribisala is just making mockery of himself. If at this age of his he sees nothing bad in corruption then he need to have a brain check up.

If you don't see anything wrong in dinning with tinubu and amaechi while hunting fayose and the rest, your brain needs a check too, PMB was formed alliance with some of the same corrupt elements he so much despised in a last swung bid to get power, his stance against corruption took the greatest hit the moment he did that. The only way he'll make any meaningful progress is to start gradual strengthening of our institutions and getting people to believe in the country once again. All this gra gra only makes things worse, he should just swallow his pride and start applying the goat and yam theory before its too late.
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by yaki84: 10:20pm On Mar 31, 2016
Misterdhee1:

They were more Interested In Fighting The Corrupt Ones In Their Midst? Like Seriously?? Including Dasuki nd his cohorts? Abi as Ascertained by 'the Stealing is not Corruption' quote?? Bro, Fighting Corruption isn't a political necessity, it is what the Nation badly needs, and PMB has taken the bold Initiative to Embark on that, take it or throw it away!



did abacha really steal?
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Misterdhee1(m): 10:25pm On Mar 31, 2016
yaki84:




did abacha really steal?
If he was to be alive, do u know what might have probably happened to him?? How does that relate to my quote
yaki84:




did abacha really steal?
If he was to be alive, do u know what might have probably happened to him?? How does that relate to my quote
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by yaki84: 10:30pm On Mar 31, 2016
Misterdhee1:

If he was to be alive, do u know what might have probably happened to him?? How does that relate to my quote
If he was to be alive, do u know what might have probably happened to him?? How does that relate to my quote


am just asking u cos one man said abacha did not steal nigerias money.
guess who that man is?
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by opius: 10:30pm On Mar 31, 2016
2019 pls come on time

Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Misterdhee1(m): 10:32pm On Mar 31, 2016
yaki84:


am just asking u cos one man said abacha did not steal nigerias money. guess who that man is?
Who?? Plus please provide a Valid link to back up your claim!
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by abimic(m): 10:33pm On Mar 31, 2016
For those not in government, it's easy to throw tantrums at those in government. Femi Aribisala would be directionless if given a mandate even in the smallest office in this government. He thinks Nigeria is like his law chamber where u run like a private entity. APC said worst about economic viability when in opposition all to pose themselves a better alternative but now that they're in power, eternity doesn't seem enough to drive a simple fuel change. My grouse with femi was saying our corruption level hadn't being that high to warrant unrest like we had in the middle east, so petty in thought, infact, our corruption level is beyond we could endure but for perseverance!! like who want die first!?. It's too early to charge PMB anti corruption drive a hoax and prejudiced for I know that, as time gradually passes, even APC, would be duly represented in EFCC custody. PMB is still monitoring grounds.

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by hopilo: 10:34pm On Mar 31, 2016
Ozid:
This Mr Aribisala is just making mockery of himself. If at this age of his he sees nothing bad in corruption then he need to have a brain check up.
You and those that like this shit statement from you are morons that never did well in school. Please l know in English class we did comprehension. Shame on you.
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by ocelot2006(m): 10:36pm On Mar 31, 2016
Ozid:
This Mr Aribisala is just making mockery of himself. If at this age of his he sees nothing bad in corruption then he need to have a brain check up.

You probably need to read his speech again...and SLOWLY.
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Seunjungle(m): 10:38pm On Mar 31, 2016
But is this not Pastor Femi Aribisala, a prof. of Engineering dept then university of ado Ekiti that presided over a church at iworoko Ekiti (chapel of his glory)? I know him! he almost killed some people that were convened in one of the akoto buses then. That man is core PDP and one Prof D.K kolapo former Unad V.C....them be thieves!
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by OneManLegion(m): 10:39pm On Mar 31, 2016
freeze001:
A classical representation of the playground bully who is usually a coward inside but puts on a false front of bravado because of his bigger size or in this case, the Dutch courage drawn from the elixir being in power. Rather than 'fight' with someone their size, they pick on 'easier prey'.

Ezekwesili and Sagay are just a tad bereft of ideas and comments with which to put down Femi's strong points and that is why they practically left the subject of discourse and started harassing students who clapped after listening to a speaker.

Femi was clear that there can be no acclaimed fight against corruption when the premise on which they rode into power was already corrupt. Glaring cases of nepotism, deliberate disregard of the rule of law and seeming concentration on people drawn from a particular group either due to their tribes or political affiliation are enough to rubbish the so called corruption fight. Students saw reason with both the content and form of his argument and showed their agreement in the most civil way possible, ie clapping.

Rather than address points raised and counter them or raise a more superior argument, they left Femi and attacked the students. I mean what is this?!



Or this?



Sagay, an erudite professor of law (as he then was), chose to attack the person of Femi and even draw Trump into the matter in referring to his idea of appreciation of unserious people. Tomorrow now if Donald Trump becomes POTUS, he will be one of those to wax poetic about how wonderful Trump is. So shameful!

Femi didn't say anything pragmatic.

It is an almost incontrovertible fact that a sizeable chunk of the APC members are corrupt but I don't expect Buhari to do anything about them. I don't expect a holistic anti-corruption crusade, I want an anti-corruption crusade, simple!

Shocking, abi?

Nah.

If Buhari hadn't liased with those people in APC today, we would have been under GEJ's leadership up until now where there would be ZERO anti-corruption war. I dunno about you, but I prefer a selective anti-corruption war to no corruption fight.

We keep getting hit with the unbelievable amount of money plundered during Gej's tenure and you think Femi's colourful sophistry exonerates him and his party of wrongdoing?

The APC is largely a failing party, but the PDP is a failed party and they spent 16 years at the epicentre of political power in Nigeria validating that assertion time and again.

I may have a lot of complaints about Buhari's government, but I have absolutely NO complaint about his anti-corruption war.

As for the kleptomaniacs enjoying immunity because of their affiliation to the ruling party, I'll clench my teeth and wait for when someone will begin an a "selective" anti-corruption fight against them; when these disgusting thieves on whose behalf Mr Aribisala now bleats were running amok on our commonwealth, I'm sure they also thought the day of reckoning would never come.

It is unfortunate that Mr Aribisala turned a brainstorming session to an opportunity to score dumb political points. Was he saying that PDP's 16 years of not just not fighting corruption but also actively enthroning same was not an abuse of trust as well as our sensibilities?

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Lusola15: 10:40pm On Mar 31, 2016
Deen77:

Yes because stealing is not corruption, Femi should tell us the country that is totally free from corruption.

Did you read the article at all

If you employ your friends and family to the CBN. that is not corruption right

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by yaki84: 10:42pm On Mar 31, 2016
Misterdhee1:
Who?? Plus please provide a Valid link to back up your claim!

with d data u provide for me abi? u no hear say na for bla k market we dey buy airtime now?
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Misterdhee1(m): 10:44pm On Mar 31, 2016
yaki84:


with d data u provide for me abi? u no hear say na for bla k market we dey buy airtime now?
Lol.. It is well bro! Let's just hope, we have nothing to lose in hoping!
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by theshadyexpress(m): 10:45pm On Mar 31, 2016
mideactive:
Wat happened2 Bamanga tukur's son case,wer
Is he now?it's very unfortunate,yar'dua could av made lots of difference.but do u expect Buhari 2 sack a minister dat's yet to start work.stop finding fault 4 now,support him @list 4 now.if he fails,we can all talk.u ppl think u'r tryin 2 drag him down,it's not only him u'l drag down.u'l also drag d country down wit him.anyway,I don't knw whr u belong.I don't knw if it's Nigeria or Biafra


thank God you did not deny that jonathan prosecuted his friends and as for supporting buhari, well i dont relate with obvious failures

Quote: A chick that will grow into a cock will start showing signs from day one

buhari is just a big failure-in-progress
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by vislabraye(m): 10:45pm On Mar 31, 2016
mars123:
I think firstly our institutions have to be strengthened for an effective war against corruption. That doesn't mean that Buhari isn't fighting corruption now. because if you check the current restructuring of the NNPC, the restructuring itself is a war against corruption. how does femi explain the introduction of TSA, is that not a fight against corruption?

I choose to ignore the $2.1bn because people with sentiments are calling it witch hunt. but how on earth can you witch hunt a thief? those who have stolen our commonwealth are being pursued and you're calling it unfair. This Femi is not okay at all.

and the supposedly "leaders of tomorrow" are clapping. Lord knows an idiot will never lead me tomorrow.


The war against corruption is basically a war against Pdp. Letter has been written to Efcc against Amaechi and nothing has been done.
Femi is not in any way defending Pdp. But the issue here is sincerity. Let this government not only focus on one set of people. I agree he should probe Pdp. But it's hypocritical to accuse someone of stealing when another person in your cabinet used 78million naira to build a website.
Think about it. Let's be sincere and forget party sentiments.
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Jesona(m): 10:56pm On Mar 31, 2016
noblegrex:
how does all the trash he said made any sense to you. Indeed,our Educational system is problematic.if people can think like Aribisala or whatever. If not for anything,The fact still remains that there's a government that came and made it known that corruption must be dealt with.that step alone is enough. and its a shame for some one of his age and calibre to think like ordinary people.little wonder he's got support and was applauded.only God can save the youths of this generation. Just few reseanable and sensible youths.. They've got no INSTINCT at all. Kids and Dummy everywhere.no sense of reseasoning at all. If for once, a government has come and shown desires of fighting corruption and open our eyes,then I think such government need be applauded...moreover PDP are corrupt and they must be flushed. If that's what they call wintch,wizard or mami water hunting so be it. I'm enjoying it. Let PDP follow suit.


The points he raised are they realities on ground or not? Your answer will address what you called trash!
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by oyinkinola: 11:05pm On Mar 31, 2016
when nigerian youths will have it right, applauding ariisala for his drama, when aribisala, know the member of the pdp who were move to apc were corrupt what aibisla did then? even dasuki, metuh etc never deny of been corrupt pulicly, and dasuki revealate to whom he disburse the looted money, how can some defend this infront of student to be applauded!, in another country some one like arbisa would lead the protest against the looters, but in nigeria he defend the looters shame
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by ayindejimmy(m): 11:06pm On Mar 31, 2016
adconline:
It's sheer sophisticated arrogance for Sagay to liken students to American voters .. Average Americans voter is far more knowledgeable on the issues and where candidates stand than in Naija. GEJ campgained on I had no shoes as a child, let me be ur president and he won. GMB avoided public debates and still won.

Not Trump supporters. Most are just angry and vengeful racist
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by agbangam: 11:11pm On Mar 31, 2016
Wen u read comment of pple praising Femi den u know we are in serious trouble as a nation. Pple keep saying d corruption battle is against PDP but is Alex Badeh, AVM Amosu, Akpobolome are dey PDP members?? Dis guys looted us @ d National level so badly, Boko war was pro-longed because of pple like Dansuki and Co. cos of der greed. Our roads are bad, no light, refinery have not been working after 16yrs of PDP rule and some student are der clapping to der foolishness and d painful thing is dat our Universities are in a poor state while those looters send their children abroad. Well no matter how dey clap to Femi stupid comment, those PDP looters will all be jailed no matter d tricks dey play.

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