thehomer:


No I don't know where you're headed with your questions. I'm not a mind reader.



Add them to the list of questions you want me to answer. What I want is your answer to this question.

by what standard do you judge rape and the plunder and murder of women and children to be wrong or right? Since your God gave the order, maybe you actually think it is right.

Answer mine in lucid terms then and stop being Ambiguous.

My God doesn't slaughter the innocent. Only once for a sacrifice of redemption did he do that.


So answer me then: By what standard do you judge one to be reasonable and another to be unreasonable?

plaetton:


Mr Josh, you introduced rape as injustice on this thread.

We just had to refresh your morally schizophrenic memory that Yahweh, your God, did indeed promote rape, murder and genocide as a religious duty.

Provide biblical proof to these bizarre claims please .

cc : PastorAIO ... oya come and do his research work for him . You are very good at quoting random scriptures maybe through luck you might address this aptly

Joshthefirst:
Answer mine in lucid terms then and stop being Ambiguous.

I have answered it in clear terms. Why don't you start answering my question rather than trying to evade it? Here it is again. I can clarify as we go on.

By what standard do you judge rape and the plunder and murder of women and children to be wrong or right? Since your God gave the order, maybe you actually think it is right.

Joshthefirst:

My God doesn't slaughter the innocent. Only once for a sacrifice of redemption did he do that.

Your God has been known to kill children and order the killing of children. Who is more innocent than an new born baby?

Joshthefirst:

So answer me then: By what standard do you judge one to be reasonable and another to be unreasonable?

Since you don't know what it means to be a reasonable person, I'll show you what I mean when you start answering my question. Here it is again.

By what standard do you judge rape and the plunder and murder of women and children to be wrong or right? Since your God gave the order, maybe you actually think it is right.

thehomer:


I have answered it in clear terms. Why don't you start answering my question rather than trying to evade it? Here it is again. I can clarify as we go on.

By what standard do you judge rape and the plunder and murder of women and children to be wrong or right? Since your God gave the order, maybe you actually think it is right.



Your God has been known to kill children and order the killing of children. Who is more innocent than an new born baby?



Since you don't know what it means to be a reasonable person, I'll show you what I mean when you start answering my question. Here it is again.

By what standard do you judge rape and the plunder and murder of women and children to be wrong or right? Since your God gave the order, maybe you actually think it is right.

My God never gave the order to rape anyone. So your question is invalid.

But to continue the discourse, I base my moral standards on the biblical law.

Now here's my question: By what standard do you base rape wrong? Or one reasonable or unreasonable? Wrt his opinion on rape?

No more evading please.

Joshthefirst:
Yhwh did not promote rape. Stop lying.


When a judge sentences one to death, do you call it murder?

Ahhh!

The wonders of cognitive dissonance.

So individuals, a family, a community, a tribe can be judged and sentenced to looting ,rape, murder of women and children and forceful kidnapped sex slavery of underage virgins ?

And that would be justice ?

Amazing , simply amazing !!



And the Christians like Josh are the first to loudly condemn such acts as barbaric and inhuman when it is committed in the modern day by Islamic God followers like ISIS and boko haram.

Religion and moral schizophrenia.

Tufiakwa.

KingEbukasBlog:


Provide biblical proof to these bizarre claims please .

cc : PastorAIO ... oya come and do his research work for him . You are very good at quoting random scriptures maybe through luck you might address this aptly

Have you forgotten Numbers 31?

Bible NIV Numbers 31:


14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.

15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

plaetton:


Ahhh!

The wonders of cognitive dissonance.

So individuals, a family, a community, a tribe can be judged and sentenced to looting ,rape, murder of women and children and forceful kidnapped sex slavery of underage virgins ?

And that would be justice ?

Amazing , simply amazing !!



And the Christians like Josh are the first to loudly condemn such acts as barbaric and inhuman when it is committed in the modern day by Islamic God followers like ISIS and boko haram.

Religion and moral schizophrenia.

Tufiakwa.

Foolish idi.ocy and lying to justify your hatred of God.

Tufiakwa.

Show instances where God commanded Israel to rape pows and stop raving like a mad dog.

thehomer:


Have you forgotten Numbers 31?

https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/why-were-only-virgins-left-alive-among-midianites

. Its a war story between Israel and Midian . This explains why

Trust me tomorrow I still post this same link

Joshthefirst:
My God never gave the order to rape anyone. So your question is invalid.

Actually, he gave his permission to rape and he impregnated Mary without her consent. Your God said

BIBLE:
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

What do you think he meant?

Joshthefirst:

But to continue the discourse, I base my moral standards on the biblical law.

You didn't answer my question. I asked a specific question on your opinions of rape not the basis of your "moral standards". Here it is again.

By what standard do you judge rape and the plunder and murder of women and children to be wrong or right? Since your God gave the order, maybe you actually think it is right.

Please specifically answer this question so we can progress.

Joshthefirst:

Now here's my question: By what standard do you base rape wrong? Or one reasonable or unreasonable? Wrt his opinion on rape?

No more evading please.

I will answer when you actually answer my question.

I'm simply holding you to the same standards you wish to apply to me. Please stop being evasive and answer my direct question.

KingEbukasBlog:


https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/why-were-only-virgins-left-alive-among-midianites

. Its a war story between Israel and Midian . This explains why

Trust me tomorrow I still post this same link

A war that your God commanded. The link doesn't explain the killing of boys and women who had ever had sex with men. Or are those acceptable killings when your God asks for them? Why is it right to kill 6 month old boys simply for being boys?

Joshthefirst:
Foolish idi.ocy and lying to justify your hatred of God.

Tufiakwa.

Show instances where God commanded Israel to rape pows and stop raving like a mad dog.

Yes,
I hate your God in the same way I hate the Grinch that Stole Christmas.
They are fables that really makes one angry.

Joshthefirst:
Foolish idi.ocy and lying to justify your hatred of God.

Tufiakwa.

Show instances where God commanded Israel to rape pows and stop raving like a mad dog.

Cognitive dissonance, moral schizophrenia in overdrive.


So they are now magically transformed into POWs ?

This is why we mock you , and must mock you and your ilk, Josh.
It's ridiculously funny when moral schizophrenics like you pontificate on morality.

thehomer:


Actually, he gave his permission to rape and he impregnated Mary without her consent. Your God said



What do you think he meant?



You didn't answer my question. I asked a specific question on your opinions of rape not the basis of your "moral standards". Here it is again.

By what standard do you judge rape and the plunder and murder of women and children to be wrong or right? Since your God gave the order, maybe you actually think it is right.

Please specifically answer this question so we can progress.



I will answer when you actually answer my question.

I'm simply holding you to the same standards you wish to apply to me. Please stop being evasive and answer my direct question.

He impregnated Mary without her consent? He gave his permission to rape?


Please show in clear terms where he did this. If you don't have clear evidence where he condoned or commanded ra.pe please don't waste my time.

My God didn't give any order, so your question is invalid. Again.

Joshthefirst:
Answer mine in lucid terms then and stop being Ambiguous.

My God doesn't slaughter the innocent. Only once for a sacrifice of redemption did he do that.


So answer me then: By what standard do you judge one to be reasonable and another to be unreasonable?

You are either lying, or suffering from selective amnesia.

BTW, can you remember what was King Saul's crime that made Yahweh turn away from him ?

thehomer:


A war that your God commanded. The link doesn't explain the killing of boys and women who had ever had sex with men. Or are those acceptable killings when your God asks for them? Why is it right to kill 6 month old boys simply for being boys?

Men provide seeds for procreation and have the muscles and bravery for war . If there are no males , the population reduces as the years go by and no one to instigate another war after they have been vanquished by Israel . Women who have slept with men are off course unclean and there is a tendency they'll birth - this will increase the population .

And Midian had to pay for their sins against Israel . God wanted them obliterated . Same way the sinful ones who have not accepted Christ - the new covenant will be in Hell .

God is an embodiment of moral good - His acts are justified .

plaetton:


Cognitive dissonance, moral schizophrenia in overdrive.


So they are now magically transformed into POWs ?

This is why we mock you , and must mock you and your ilk, Josh.
It's ridiculously funny when moral schizophrenics like you pontificate on morality.

lol. Where is your evidence in scripture na?

This is why I pity paraders like you and honestly laugh to myself when I flog and ruthlessly deal with desperate relativists like yourself.


Shameless clingers to delusion. Believing in moral subjectivity and relativism yet having the guts to imply some are immoral and unreasonable. Is this not confusion?

When asked the standard by which they judge they resort to evasion and repeating unsourced lies like broken records.

Joshthefirst:
The deciphering of good and evil takes us to many places, but without an objective standard, we all become hypocrite lawless animals.

What us wrong in my wiping out half of earth's population for the greater good of our planet?

An objective standard can stand without God, can't it? Otherwise it is not objective.

PastorAIO's biblical verse on the Midianite massacre touches exactly on what Zizek says. That religious groups tend to see themselves as agents and tools of God through whom all their deeds regardless how heinous are ratified and justified!

It can work the other way in the case of atheistic communists who see themselves as instruments of historical necessity or supreme justice or in the case of the French Revolution -- equality. They can act without moral restraint.

Joshthefirst:
Answer mine in lucid terms then and stop being Ambiguous.

My God doesn't slaughter the innocent. Only once for a sacrifice of redemption did he do that.


So answer me then: By what standard do you judge one to be reasonable and another to be unreasonable?

Jesus's death was an act of injustice which is refined as one of redemption. Seemingly an evil acts on behalf of a greater good because God deems it so?

Kay17:


An objective standard can stand without God, can't it? Otherwise it is not standard.

PastorAIO's biblical verse on the Midianite massacre touches exactly on what Zizek says. That religious groups tend to see themselves as agents and tools of God through whom all their deeds regardless how heinous are ratified and justified!

It can work the other way in the case of atheistic communists who see themselves as instruments of historical necessity or supreme justice or in the case of the French Revolution -- equality. They can act without moral restraint.

What do you mean by moral restraint?

By what basis do you see those deeds as heinous and evil?

Joshthefirst:
He impregnated Mary without her consent? He gave his permission to rape?

Please show in clear terms where he did this. If you don't have clear evidence where he condoned or commanded ra.pe please don't waste my time.

I already gave you a passage about your God condoning rape. He said

Bible Numbers 31:
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Saving girls who had never slept with a man was that those girls would be raped since those girls didn't consent giving themselves over to the Israelite soldiers.

Mary never gave her consent.

Joshthefirst:

My God didn't give any order, so your question is invalid. Again.

As I've shown above, he did so you may want to stop deceiving yourself.

Joshthefirst:
Foolish idi.ocy and lying to justify your hatred of God.

Tufiakwa.

Show instances where God commanded Israel to rape pows and stop raving like a mad dog.

Did your Yahweh not command Saul to completely destroy the Amalekites,not to leave anything alive, especially the women and children ?

Now please try to justify it, and then tell me in what ways you are different from Boko haram and ISIS in terms of your mindset.

Kay17:


Jesus's death was an act of injustice which is refined as one of redemption. Seemingly an evil acts on behalf of a greater good because God deems it so?

Before we delve into derivatives, by what standard do you consider Jesus' death an act on injustice?

And an objective standard cannot stand without its source and enforcer.

Joshthefirst:
What do you mean by moral restraint?

By what basis do you see those deeds as heinous and evil?

It is difficult to say.

Yet we know morality exercises restraint. That not all acts are permitted. The standard of restraint might be on basis of excess or harm principle or self overcoming.

KingEbukasBlog:


Men provide seeds for procreation and have the muscles and bravery for war . If there are no males , the population reduces as the years go by and no one to instigate another war after they have been vanquished by Israel . Women who have slept with men are off course unclean and there is a tendency they'll birth - this will increase the population .

Wow. Such erudite reasoning in defense of your God. It looks like you don't think there's anything wrong with genocide. Women who have had sex are unclean? Weren't you born of a woman? You think it is right to wipe out a population including killing 6 month old babies? If such reasons are advanced by God or those that God has touched, are they really better thant he devil's suggestions?

KingEbukasBlog:

And Midian had to pay for their sins against Israel . God wanted them obliterated . Same way the sinful ones who have not accepted Christ - the new covenant will be in Hell .

Yeah yeah. Most people will be in hell. You seem to think genocide is sometimes good. Well that really exposes things.

KingEbukasBlog:

God is an embodiment of moral good - His acts are justified .

You've successfully justified genocide. This means you're incapable of telling what is right from what is wrong.

KingEbukasBlog:


Men provide seeds for procreation and have the muscles and bravery for war . If there are no males , the population reduces as the years go by and no one to instigate another war after they have been vanquished by Israel . Women who have slept with men are off course unclean and there is a tendency they'll birth - this will increase the population .

And Midian had to pay for their sins against Israel . God wanted them obliterated . Same way the sinful ones who have not accepted Christ - the new covenant will be in Hell .

God is an embodiment of moral good - His acts are justified .

Interesting.

There is indeed a Boko haram in all of us, especially the followers of abrahamic religions.

Joshthefirst:
What do you mean by moral restraint?

By what basis do you see those deeds as heinous and evil?

You have great difficulty understanding simple things.

You're a hostage of religious irrationality.

thehomer:


Wow. Such erudite reasoning in defense of your God. It looks like you don't think there's anything wrong with genocide. Women who have had sex are unclean? Weren't you born of a woman? You think it is right to wipe out a population including killing 6 month old babies? If such reasons are advanced by God or those that God has touched, are they really better thant he devil's suggestions?



Yeah yeah. Most people will be in hell. You seem to think genocide is sometimes good. Well that really exposes things.



You've successfully justified genocide. This means you're incapable of telling what is right from what is wrong.

I am simply shocked.

You see that when examined closely, all religious nuts, whether Islamic extremists or kingebukasblog, or joshthefirst, are essentially the same, .which dovetails with the OP and pastorAIO's assertion that with God, all things, all evil are possible and permitted.

plaetton:


I am simply shocked.

You see that when examined closely, all religious nuts, whether Islamic extremists or kingebukasblog, or joshthefirst, are essentially the same, .which dovetails with the OP and pastorAIO's assertion that with God, all things, all evil are possible and permitted.

Yeah. That's what I've been saying for so long. Whenever people say that without God, all is permitted, they forget the instructions and commands issued by their God.

thehomer:


I already gave you a passage about your God condoning rape. He said



Saving girls who had never slept with a man was that those girls would be raped since those girls didn't consent giving themselves over to the Israelite soldiers.

Mary never gave her consent.



As I've shown above, he did so you may want to stop deceiving yourself.

Saving girls who had never slept with a man does not mean those girls would be raped. Rape was a crime punishable by death in Israel.


And Mary never gave her consent? Really? Even when she said "let it be unto me as thou has said"?

Joshthefirst:


And an objective standard cannot stand without its source and enforcer.

What is the difference between the objective standard and subjective standard?

thehomer:

This means you're incapable of telling what is right from what is wrong.

Coming from a man who can't tell by what standard he calls an act right and another wrong. How convenient.

Kay17:


It is difficult to say.

Yet we know morality exercises restraint. That not all acts are permitted. The standard of restraint might be on basis of excess or harm principle or self overcoming.

Are you a moral relativist?