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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by mazeltov(m): 7:45pm On May 28, 2016 |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Kainene77: 7:51pm On May 28, 2016 |
Missy89: What evidence is there that Iraq was in possession of WMD? |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 8:02pm On May 28, 2016 |
Kainene77: Read the whole post. What evidence do you have that he lied? |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Kainene77: 8:56pm On May 28, 2016 |
Missy89: I read the whole post and enjoyed it. The evidence is the absence of WMD. I remember watching Colin Powell's documentary "evidence" to the UN Security Council - and even though I was very young back in the day - I found it utterly ridiculous. I remembered to watch it again a few weeks ago, and I still find it ridiculous. Just that I can't bring myself to smile at it again because today I know and still see the results of this 'overreaction'. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 9:31pm On May 28, 2016 |
Kainene77: No the evidence is not the absence of WMDs. You cant present that after the fact. You should give a simple reason before the event why Bush will want to go to Iraq and what lie he actually told. It seems you are misunderstanding what i said. The overreaction after 911 was everywhere but it did not affect the decision to go into Iraq. Every US intelligence agency including the Germans, British and few other European allies actually believe Saddam had wmds. Maybe the intelligence was wrong but that doesn't mean he lied. The only reason why France and Russia did not support the war was for economic reasons. The french and the Russians were cutting deals with Saddam to help him circumvent and get more money from the oil for food program by receiving oil coupons. Even the Russian orthodox church was in on the deals. French president Jacques Chirac was on record saying he believed Saddam had WMDs. He said : “What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” — Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002 There was a bi partisan investigation by the senate (headed by a democrat) to see if the bush administration pressured the intelligence community. No evidence was found. More democrats here agreeing with the same intelligence they all saw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqh4wQPoQk If he did not act, the same democrats ( most of them actually believed the same intelligence at the time too) will protest that he wasn't acting on actionable intelligence 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 9:39pm On May 28, 2016 |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Kainene77: 10:03pm On May 28, 2016 |
Missy89: The Bush jr administration was insisting that Saddam Hussein was hiding WMD. It was his administration that presented dubious and ridiculous footage that Mickey Mouse would have difficulties believing to the UN Security Council. This is the joke of the millennium albeit a sad one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErlDSJHRVMA Whatever their motives to lie to the world were, is secondary and speculation. What we know now is that there were no WMD. It seems you are misunderstanding what i said. The overreaction after 911 was everywhere but it did not affect the decision to go into Iraq. Every US intelligence agency including the Germans, British and few other European allies actually believe Saddam had wmds. Maybe the intelligence was wrong but that doesn't mean he lied. He acted as if he was sure and he could not have been. Maybe he lied to himself too but he lied. A country was invaded under his commando and thousands of people killed leaving a BIG MESS that affects other countries more than the USA far beyond the sea. He decided to bomb a nation without the supermajority of the UN Security Council (9 of 15 votes were needed, only 4 given). And it were not only countries like China and Russia opposing the war but - and what you wrote there above is not true - Germany and France. The German government demanded that the UN inspectors should be allowed to finish the inspection process. The only reason why France and Russia did not support the war was for economic reasons. The french and the Russians were cutting deals with Saddam to help him circumvent and get more money from the oil for food program by receiving oil coupons. Even the Russian orthodox church was in on the deals. French president Jacques Chirac was on record saying he believed Saddam had WMDs. He said : Where in this quote did he say that Saddam has WMD? He states that Saddam used such in the past and that evidence 'may lead to think'. PULEASE! There was a bi partisan investigation by the senate (headed by a democrat) to see if the bush administration pressured the intelligence community. No evidence was found. They did not even bother to argue based on serious intelligence agency research because their source of information was allegedly a guy who was doing his work from a German prison. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU6KMYlDyWc 8:14 More democrats here agreeing with the same intelligence they all saw. I don't care about Democrats. Whoever American people vote for is their decision - as long as their future president does not decide to bomb other countries based on fairytales and other ulterior motifs. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 10:28pm On May 28, 2016 |
Kainene77: For the sake of Argument, Just tell me the lie, When the lie was told and the reason for going into Iraq. And what the Ulterior motives were Germany's intelligence agency on Iraq http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-real-story-of-curveball-how-german-intelligence-helped-justify-the-us-invasion-of-iraq-a-542840.html By the way, The US do not need the security council's permission to fight any war. ZERO. Did Russia ask for UN's permission to fight in Georgia and Ukraine or Did France get any to fight in Abidjan?. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Kainene77: 10:56pm On May 28, 2016 |
Missy89: The lie was that Saddam was in possession of WMD. Since these WMD have never been found, the allegation was not true and therefore a lie that was supported with fake evidence. It is very simple. Germany's intelligence agency on Iraq The introduction of this article goes as follows: Five years ago, the US government presented what it said was proof that Iraq harbored biological weapons. The information came from a source developed by German intelligence -- and it turned out to be disastrously wrong. But to this day, Germany denies any responsibility. More allegations without evidence. Your choice of sources this evening reminds me of Colin Powell's legendary show before the UN Security Council. By the way, The US do not need the security council's permission to fight any war. ZERO. Did Russia ask for UN's permission to fight in Georgia and Ukraine or Did France get any to fight in Abidjan?. They have shown the world that they don't need any permission. We have understood this message clearly but it is quite ironic that you use Russia's wrong decisions to justify the wrong decisions made by a US government. I wonder who is leading who by example and who is actually following? Albeit, what does it matter now that we know that we have returned to pre WW II conditions, under which anarchy reigns and the international community is disregarded in the name of world power that makes full use of the law of the jungle. Perfect chaos! Yet you keep preaching democracy. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by stanech: 11:12pm On May 28, 2016 |
Donald Trump broke a record for the highest number of votes cast in a primary for any republican and the primary isn't. Over yet. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 11:24pm On May 28, 2016 |
Kainene77: So wait, If i act based on bad information, That means i am telling a lie? I am still waiting for the ulterior motives. Looks like you cant produce any. And by the way, If you pass an information to me and i based my decision off it and you deny responsibility, does that ultimately mean that I intend to deceive and you denying responsibility negates the fact that you actually believe the information you were sharing? After all, you said Germany's intelligence did not agree with the US assessment, It turns out it did. You should read the whole page Looks like you are finding it difficult to differentiate between a lie and bad information. Hopefully, You can tell me what the ulterior motive is. I will make this easier. Why would Bush lie in other to invade Iraq? |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Nobody: 1:13am On May 29, 2016 |
According to Gallup: 43% of Americans believe abortion is morally acceptable. 47% think it is morally wrong 29% believe abortion should be legal under any circumstances 50% believe it should be legal only under certain circumstances Only 19% believe it should be illegal in all circumstances. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 1:13am On May 29, 2016 |
www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/bernie-sanders-warns-hillary-clinton-running-mate-pick-n582196 Truly,she needs a hardline Progressive,someone as popular and respected like Senator Warren but Tim Kaine has been in the gossip columns lately. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Nobody: 1:35am On May 29, 2016 |
ValerianSteel:A Tim Kaine pick would only reinforce the stereotype that she is in the pocket of NE Wall Street types. A smart pick would be someone from the Midwest or the South. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Nobody: 1:38am On May 29, 2016 |
Gary Johnson is now polling at 11%.. 4 more % points between now and September, and he would be invited to the debates. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Nobody: 1:42am On May 29, 2016 |
15% of Americans struggle to buy food within the last 12 months. Out of that number, 25% of African-Americans struggle to afford food. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 1:59am On May 29, 2016 |
CFCman:Sherrod Brown and Tom Perez are the next considerable pick so far. With Trump's campaign deadset on a White male candidate,picking a female like Kamala(that's if she's interested) should be a good choice as well. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Nobody: 2:38am On May 29, 2016 |
ValerianSteel:It will be difficult to convince Kamala to quit a California senate race, in which she is the front runner, to join Hillary as the VP. However, if Kamala pulls out of the senate race, Loretta Sanchez would most likely win the senatorial election |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 2:52am On May 29, 2016 |
Why Electing Hillary '16 is more important than Obama '08 Jon Favreau, former Obama speechwriter, says http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/26/why-electing-hillary-in-16-is-more-important-than-electing-obama-in-08.html |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 2:58am On May 29, 2016 |
CFCman:I don't think she needs that much persuasion cause either ways a Democrat has the Senate seat. Has anyone considered Martin O'Malley at all. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Nobody: 3:14am On May 29, 2016 |
ValerianSteel:Nah... The guy is quite boring. Hillary needs someone with a bit more charisma; and her running mate should be an effective attack dog. He is not someone that would bring "fire" to the ticket. Yeah, Dems need not fear about losing the CA senate seat to a Republican: unfortunately, that consideration knocks out Sen Elizabeth Warren from the Veep stakes because Massachusetts Republican governor would surely appoint a fellow Republican to the seat. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 3:25am On May 29, 2016 |
CFCman:I said the same to a friend who suggested him.She needs someone with the fire,a more than capable and effective attack dog cause conventional campaign doesn't cut it in this election. Trump is playing the street fight,Hillary needs to do same and take him down with knives and razors.Playing it cool is a huge danger. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 3:27am On May 29, 2016 |
Safe to say her shortlist is really short.The best decision will be made hopefully. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Nobody: 4:54am On May 29, 2016 |
ValerianSteel:For real. The "excitement" reason may also knock out a White, Midwestern senator in Amy Klobuchar. It's increasingly looking like only a minority veep would gin up the Democrat/liberal base. Julian Castro would have been the obvious choice, but he is far too inexperienced for the job. And Hillary doesn't need to 'pander' to Latinos. In addition, it's highly unlikely that Castro would swing Texas to the D column. Kamala ticks the boxes of age, experience, political leaning, and influence. Winning the California Attorney-general election twice is no joke. She is also a true San Francisco liberal, which would be a nice counter-balance to Hillary's centrist ideology. Kamala will be 52 by Election Day, and 56 in 2020. So, in the event that Hillary declines to seek re-election (which is extremely plausible as she will be 73 in 2020), the Democrats would have a young VP to draft into that year's presidential race. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 7:02am On May 29, 2016 |
Kainene77:Gbam. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 7:08am On May 29, 2016 |
CFCman:Don't you think Kamala Harris being from California is a disadvantage to her ?. California is automatically blue. The VP choice is going to be interesting. My money is on Julian Castro because of growing Latino population in Texas and some analysts are predicting Texas to turn Purple in few years. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 10:22am On May 29, 2016 |
CFCman:Finding an exciting progressive minority will be a tough search.Kamala would make a great choice seriously. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 10:27am On May 29, 2016 |
Trump has Bankrupted his own Campaign,Begs RNC for Cash. http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/05/29/trump-bankrupted-campaign-begs-rnc-cash/ 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Nobody: 3:25pm On May 29, 2016 |
Lucasbalo:To be honest, both Kamala and Castro are in the same boat: they would have zero effect on the electoral outcome in their respective states. For this election, Texas will remain red and, as you said, California will be 100% blue. So that narrows the decision on a minority VP pick to the individual with the better electoral experience, experience running a large governmental entity, and knowledge of a broad range of issues. Kamala Harris's California Department of Justice is the 2nd largest in the country, behind only the federal DOJ. So, no one would accuse her of lacking significant govt experience. Another thing that could swing the choice to her is that she ain't from a political family. She is essentially a self-made politician, who is also an outsider in national politics. That would be another balance to Hillary's political aristocracy. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 3:29pm On May 29, 2016 |
ValerianSteel:Trump was boasting about his self funding campaign. He's worth north of $10 Billion according to his statements. His self inflated ego is one of many things that's gonna hurt his campaign. A lot of wealthy Republicans donors are holding back these time. The Koch Brothers, Mr Singer and co are not in tune with him. Mr Ardelson of the casino fame promised him $100 million. It will be a very interesting 5 months because it will be the most expensive campaign in American history. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 3:57pm On May 29, 2016 |
CFCman:You are spot on. That's why I said her VP selection will be interesting. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 5:03pm On May 29, 2016 |
Lucasbalo:Trump has got much to hide hence why he's holding back on his tax returns.Also he has a criminal case as well,Feds are investigating the fraud called Trump University and reports have shown how he has milked ten thousand from many,he has gone further to insult the mexican judge overseeing the process calling him anti-Trump for simply doing his job. I doubt Adelson will really waste $100million on Trump.Afterall his only stakes in the election is a Presidential candidate with the right policies for Israel and many Jews are staying blue in this election,just about 10% in the homeland support Trump,Hillary remains Israel's best bet.Adelson will simply be wasting his money. 2 Likes |
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