Seun:
No. The evidence for the existence of God is extremely poor and so for that reason don't believe it. Just as you dont believe in Superman. Also the Gods that are popular these days - omnipotent and omnibenevolent - can't logically exist because of the problem of evil.

At this point, i think i have to disagree totally with what you posted. You are trying to say that believe in any God or gods as the case may be is bad, i totally disagree. You need to go do your research again because you saying the existence of God is logically incorrect is wrong.

Seun:
No. The evidence for the existence of God is extremely poor and so for that reason don't believe it. Just as you dont believe in Superman. Also the Gods that are popular these days - omnipotent and omnibenevolent - can't logically exist because of the problem of evil.

*sighs* Here we go again.

Omooba77:
Even the athiest too have FAITH there is no God. Faith is evidence of things hoped for and Assurance of what is expected.

The gnostic atheists though , not the agnostic atheists.

Seun:
Faith in anything that is not true is bad. More people have been killed in the name of God than in the name of the devil.

so whats your point now? Are you saying God is not true?

Well i disagree with you no one who belives in the true God would kill his fellow human, becos God said love your neigbour as your self.

Acidosis:

- being optimistic?

I believe in being realistic. Sometimes optimism is warranted. Sometimes caution is more appropriate.

- positive confessions (using the case Muhammad Ali)?

It may make you feel better, I guess, but I don't think it has any material effect. There are better things to do.

khattab008:
Seun, always trying hard to justify atheism.

You're not far from the truth. Maybe Seun can shed more light on it.

Seun:
Many people feel society should let people believe whatever they want to believe and not bother them as long as they are not imposing their beliefs on others. I disagree. All beliefs should be fair game for criticism, mockery and objective testing so that they can be abandoned if they are shown to be wrong. There should be no sacred cows because every wrong belief can cause harm.

This will pointing towards Islam, because Christians persuade you to accept the love of Christ. Not force to accept him.
You can't be forced to love, can you?
Whatever we do, we never threaten or inflict pain with the intention of subjugating you to believing what we believe. So, pls be explicit in stating your assertions. If you are making point, make it clearly, not blanketing issues hence; making all faiths look bad.
I preach the gospel, calling or beaconing on you, if you ignore me and pass by, you go, no hurt, no issues.
How has Christianity harmed anyone who disbelieve?
You are free to go your way, just leave us the faith adherers alone.

my take is this
when you do not know something or when science hasn't proven it you can only hold on to whatever you believe
but when someone has proven it logically you should adjust your beliefs.

and please
DO NOT ATTACK THOSE WHO DON'T SHARE YOUR BELIEFS

analice107:

This will pointing towards Islam, because Christians persuade you to accept the love of Christ. Not force to accept him.
You can't be forced to love, can you?
Whatever we do, we never threaten or inflict pain with the intention of subjugating you to believing what we believe. So, pls be explicit in stating your assertions. If you are making point, make it clearly, not blanketing issues hence; making all faiths look bad.
I preach the gospel, calling or beaconing on you, if you ignore me and pass by, you go, no hurt, no issues.
How has Christianity harmed anyone who disbelieve?
You are free to go your way, just leave us the faith adherers alone.

in fact 'christians' did similar things in the past

theoneJabulani:
nice thinking. Every form of belief should be available for fair and equal criticism and scrutiny

Then let him cut the Muslims lose.

analice107:

This will pointing towards Islam, because Christians persuade you to accept the love of Christ. Not force to accept him.
You can't be forced to love, can you?
Whatever we do, we never threaten or inflict pain with the intention of subjugating you to believing what we believe. So, pls be explicit in stating your assertions. If you are making point, make it clearly, not blanketing issues hence; making all faiths look bad.
I preach the gospel, calling or beaconing on you, if you ignore me and pass by, you go, no hurt, no issues.
How has Christianity harmed anyone who disbelieve?
You are free to go your way, just leave us the faith adherers alone.

Please Dont Ignite A Religious War, Be Considerate With Your Facts. And Dont Forget That Islam And Chritianity Are Not The Only Religions.

analice107:

Then let him cut the Muslims lose.

Whats with you and muslims sef, they kidnap ur family ni. I thought i advised you to stop being specific.

Oladim001:
Hello please don't try to be specific here oo if you don't want a religious battle on this thread oo. Na u start am oo.

It is also not good to make every body pay for the sins of one person. Islam kills people for not being Muslims, but he comes here trying to make us all look bad. It's not fair nah.

bolt000:
Please Dont Ignite A Religious War, Be Considerate With Your Facts. And Dont Forget That Islam And Chritianity Are Not The Only Religions.

My point exactly, am very sure didnt open this thread to that.

analice107:

It is also not good to make every body pay for the sins of one person. Islam kills people for not being Muslims, but he comes here trying to make us all look bad. It's not fair nah.

And u are here portraying christains as saints right, i reserve my comment.

Omooba77:
Even the athiest too have FAITH there is no God. Faith is evidence of things hoped for and Assurance of what is expected.

That's not faith but believe.

analice107:

Then let him cut the Muslims lose.

In your haste to criticise muslims you made a grammatical blunder. Its 'loose' not 'lose'.

etoluw:


in fact 'christians' did similar things in the past

If you can be sincere, you will admit that Catholicism veered from the tenets of Christ and sort to suppress the true faith, thereby killing the same sheep it was meant to feed. Be it as it may, Catholics never went out killing unbelievers in the Christian faith. It killed fellow Christians.

Seun:
The evidence for the existence of God is extremely poor and so for that reason don't believe it.

it is much more difficult to proove there is no God either.
there are milliions of questions science and logic can't answer

Seun:
No. The evidence for the existence of God is extremely poor and so for that reason don't believe it. Just as you dont believe in Superman. Also the Gods that are popular these days - omnipotent and omnibenevolent - can't logically exist because of the problem of evil.

The problem of evil, is not in anyway attached to any God, but evil is the deviation from that which is good deposited by the freewill nature of man, we can't classified anything as evil without the involvement of Man, hence there is nothing any God has to do with evil.

What exactly is the msg u trying to pass on?that having faith is bad?faith existed way b4 u came into this earth,if u dnt wanna have faith den dnt,no cme dey open silly trend

Oladim001:
In your haste to criticise muslims you made a grammatical blunder. Its 'loose' not 'lose'.

So I spelt a word wrongly, and? Does it make what I said any less true? Thanks Mr Grammar, we are not in a grammar class, so move along with goose feet.

Seun:
One if the issues with religion is that it promotes the idea of believing something not because you have been convinced by rational arguments and objective evidence that it is true, but because you want to believe it and choose to believe it.

When beliefs are based on reason and evidence, they are very likely to be true or at least close to the truth. When they are not, they are very likely to be false and far from the truth. False beliefs cause people to make bad decisions which lead to worse outcomes for them and for society.

When most people in society base their beliefs on objective evidence and reason, their beliefs tend to converge towards a single consistent view of reality. This enables them to cooperate massively and achieve great things for all to enjoy e.g. in science. In faith based societies and institutions, differences of opinion are hard to resolve, because people dogmatically hold on to their beliefs, leading to chronic conflicts that often erupt into violence.

The Bible define faith as "the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.” Damien Wayne defines faith as "The belief in the existence of things, with the absence of data".

Faith, especially blind faith as put forward by these religious folks, its the main cause of violence in today's society.

Fynestboi:


That's not faith but believe.

Hebrew 11:1-6

Oladim001:
And u are here portraying christains as saints right, i reserve my comment.

We are not talking about individuals practicing their faiths in certain ways, we are talking about FAITHS and what they uphold.

analice107:

If you can be sincere, you will admit that Catholicism veered from the tenets of Christ and sort to suppress the true faith, thereby killing the same sheep it was meant to feed.

That is very correct but all other denominations broke off from them (Catholics) when they discovered some truth and modified it

Be it as it may, Catholics never went out killing unbelievers in the Christian faith. It killed fellow Christians.

This one no true at all . read more about the crusades
in fact so many people died in our so called holy city (Jerusalem) fighting for one god against another god.

analice107:

So I spelt a word wrongly, and? Does it make what I said any less true? Thanks Mr Grammar, we are not in a grammar class, so move along with goose feet.

OH GOD, am not in the mood for this. Ignores...

Omooba77:


Hebrew 11:1-6

Prove it wrong not with the above.

Oladim001:
Whats with you and muslims sef, they kidnap ur family ni. I thought i advised you to stop being specific.

Maybe you didn't read the OP. The Op said, let every faith be given equal rights, treated equally, scrutinized equality, and that none shd be a sacred cow. Fine, but if he says that, how come HE made Islam the sacred cow here.

shineforthmedia:


it is much more difficult to proove there is no God either.
there are milliions of questions science and logic can't answer

Yea i agree with you. Can logic explain how witches operate?. I dont think so.

bolt000:
Please Dont Ignite A Religious War, Be Considerate With Your Facts. And Dont Forget That Islam And Chritianity Are Not The Only Religions.

Always afraid of wars, that's why these people take you for fools. You see what is wrong, you can't say it, because you are scared of being killed. For crying out loud, how many times does someone dies? Only once, only once...
The truth will be spoken, bring out your knives.