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Re: Why Faith Is Bad by joseph1832(m): 8:52pm On Jun 18, 2016
analice107:

You were mentioned, go in there and see how many people atheists leaders have killed around the world.
And what about christian leaders, particularly the catholic church? Haven't they murdered also, all in the name of protection of the faith?.
Re: Why Faith Is Bad by Nobody: 9:06pm On Jun 18, 2016
Seun:
One if the issues with religion is that it promotes the idea of believing something not because you have been convinced by rational arguments and objective evidence that it is true, but because you want to believe it and choose to believe it.

When beliefs are based on reason and evidence, they are very likely to be true or at least close to the truth. When they are not, they are very likely to be false and far from the truth. False beliefs cause people to make bad decisions which lead to worse outcomes for them and for society.

When most people in society base their beliefs on objective evidence and reason, their beliefs tend to converge towards a single consistent view of reality. This enables them to cooperate massively and achieve great things for all to enjoy e.g. in science. In faith based societies and institutions, differences of opinion are hard to resolve, because people dogmatically hold on to their conflicting beliefs, leading to chronic conflicts that often erupt into violence.
This Makes Sense

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Re: Why Faith Is Bad by winner01(m): 9:07pm On Jun 18, 2016
Seun:
How?
Science originated in europe at a time when it was predominantly christian. Somehow scientific findings and ideas were not incompatible with the christian culture of that time. Breathtaking scientific disciplines and fields that we build on today were founded by people who were deeply religious. I proved that (HERE)
Though some were also founded by people from other faiths but im at loss on how many were founded by atheists.
Sir Francis Bacon, is credited with formulating and establishing the scientific method, Great scientific communities and universities such as Harvard, Princeton, Oxford, Cambridge, and many others were also founded by Christians. So for contemporary atheists to propose that christianity impedes science is unfounded. What was it about christianity that propelled these ones to pursue science?.


"I had rather believe all the fables in the Legend, and the Talmud, and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind." - Sir Francis Bacon
Re: Why Faith Is Bad by joseph1832(m): 9:46pm On Jun 18, 2016
winner01:
Who is threatening you with hellfire? undecided
What did your bible say will happen to those who don't believe in it?

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Re: Why Faith Is Bad by Seun(m): 9:56pm On Jun 18, 2016
Scholar8200:
Indeed! However, there are true beliefs which have caused (and is still causing) people to make good decisions and the society has been better of for it. A good example is how whole communities were transformed during revivals. Transformed insomuch that the police confessed of having no crimes to fight!

https://onecanhappen./2013/03/08/effects-of-the-welsh-revival-1904-05-whole-communities-were-radically-changed-from-depravity-to-glorious-goodness-the-crime-rate-dropped-often-to-nothing-the-underground-mines-echoed-with-the-soun/
Religious testimonies are not trustworthy. Perfectly ordinary stories become supernatural and fantastic as they are retold and repeatedly spiced up by eager believers.

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Re: Why Faith Is Bad by winner01(m): 10:02pm On Jun 18, 2016
joseph1832:
What did your bible say will happen to those who don't believe in it?
Oladim001:
Pretty dumb question if you ask me. You know the answer yourself so why ask. .
No one is threatening you with anything. You people claim that the bible is hogwash, You don't believe in the Bible so why bother with a "lie"? undecided.. The fact that you feel this threatened proves that you do believe in God.

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Re: Why Faith Is Bad by Seun(m): 10:35pm On Jun 18, 2016
Winner01: Okay, but its probably not so relevant to our discussion of whether belief should require evidence.

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Re: Why Faith Is Bad by vizkiz: 10:43pm On Jun 18, 2016
Don't worry bro. God's gonna show you his existence pretty soon wink
Re: Why Faith Is Bad by winner01(m): 10:52pm On Jun 18, 2016
Seun:
Winner01: Okay, but its probably not so relevant to our discussion of whether belief should require evidence.
That depends on what you mean by evidence. Anything could serve as evidence. Science should not be the ultimate source for gaining knowledge, I gave some points HERE to buttress this.
Re: Why Faith Is Bad by Seun(m): 10:53pm On Jun 18, 2016
vizkiz:
Don't worry bro. God's gonna show you his existence pretty soon wink
Like an emotional or psychological experience? A lot of people say their faith is based on their personal experience with God and that's what they mean. Those experiences aren't reliable. The human mind is susceptible to various illusions and delusions. Hypnotism and hysteria are real things. That's why even those 'personal' experiences should be critically analyzed in the light of the latest findings in psychology, psychiatry, and neuroscience. If they don't stand up to scrutiny, just toss them aside.

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Re: Why Faith Is Bad by vizkiz: 10:59pm On Jun 18, 2016
Seun:
Like an emotional or psychological experience? A lot of people say their faith is based on their personal experience with God and that's what they mean. Those experiences aren't reliable. The human mind is susceptible to various illusions and delusions. Hypnotism and hysteria are real things. That's why even those 'personal' experiences should be critically analyzed in the light of the latest findings in psychology, psychiatry, and neuroscience. If they don't stand up to scrutiny, just toss them aside.

I totally understand your points I was a student of philosophy.

These illustrations you made are valid and weigh standard points as long as philosophy is concerned...but when you get the "manifestation" I was referring to, you wouldn't be able to explain and analyze them with mortal intelligence.

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Re: Why Faith Is Bad by Nobody: 11:04pm On Jun 18, 2016
Seun:
Like an emotional or psychological experience? A lot of people say their faith is based on their personal experience with God and that's what they mean. Those experiences aren't reliable. The human mind is susceptible to various illusions and delusions. Hypnotism and hysteria are real things. That's why even those 'personal' experiences should be critically analyzed in the light of the latest findings in psychology, psychiatry, and neuroscience. If they don't stand up to scrutiny, just toss them aside.


And what happens when they stand up to scrutiny? Would you then believe that God exists?
Re: Why Faith Is Bad by Nobody: 12:18am On Jun 19, 2016
Seun:
Faith in anything that is not true is bad. More people have been killed in the name of God than in the name of the devil.

Proof?
Re: Why Faith Is Bad by Ghost01(m): 1:16am On Jun 19, 2016
opeaceo:


Including atheism
Yes na. It if cannot stand proper scrutiny, it should be ridiculed.
Re: Why Faith Is Bad by Tintinnoty(m): 3:34am On Jun 19, 2016
pls make una leave oga seun alone, he chose not to believe in existence of a supernatural personality. As much as you might not be comfortable with that, he's entitle to that.
Re: Why Faith Is Bad by slam7000(m): 5:36am On Jun 19, 2016
Seun:
Many people feel society should let people believe whatever they want to believe and not bother them as long as they are not imposing their beliefs on others. I disagree. All beliefs should be fair game for criticism, mockery and objective testing so that they can be abandoned if they are shown to be wrong. There should be no sacred cows because every wrong belief can cause harm.
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I highlighted the above because of the hypocrisy I've observed on Nairaland created by you. Unfortunately your assertion doesn't apply here. Criticisms of certain faith beliefs have in the past resulted in abuse of power from you and your mods. Prove us wrong by criticising Christianity but pls don't spare Islam.

It's easy to voice concerns about Christianity but when same happens to Islam, you guys come down with your hammer to stifle opinions or deleting them. That need to be corrected.

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Re: Why Faith Is Bad by virginboy1(m): 6:46am On Jun 19, 2016
slam7000:
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I highlighted the above because of the hypocrisy I've observed on Nairaland created by you. Unfortunately your assertion doesn't apply here. Criticisms of certain faith beliefs have in the past resulted in abuse of power from you and your mods. Prove us wrong by criticising Christianity but pls don't spare Islam.

It's easy to voice concerns about Christianity but when same happens to Islam, you guys come down with your hammer to stifle opinions or deleting them. That need to be corrected.

what are you saying

We are discussing about faith (an unproven hypothesis) and you are here barraging Seun and his mods. "na wa for you ooo"

If you wanna talk about that, create a separate thread for that.Thanks

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Re: Why Faith Is Bad by Oladim001(m): 7:19am On Jun 19, 2016
slam7000:
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I highlighted the above because of the hypocrisy I've observed on Nairaland created by you. Unfortunately your assertion doesn't apply here. Criticisms of certain faith beliefs have in the past resulted in abuse of power from you and your mods. Prove us wrong by criticising Christianity but pls don't spare Islam.

It's easy to voice concerns about Christianity but when same happens to Islam, you guys come down with your hammer to stifle opinions or deleting them. That need to be corrected.
Am sure Seun is not gonna bother replying your post, cos its apparent you and analice are derailing this thread. And you are violating two rules of nairaland. Rule 1 and 20. So you have yourself to blame if you are banned.
Re: Why Faith Is Bad by slam7000(m): 9:45am On Jun 19, 2016
virginboy1:


what are you saying

We are discussing about faith (an unproven hypothesis) and you are here barraging Seun and his mods. "na wa for you ooo"

If you wanna talk about that, create a separate thread for that.Thanks

Post was meant for Seun. Allow him to comment on that, you are not his spokesman.
Re: Why Faith Is Bad by bolt000(m): 9:49am On Jun 19, 2016
Religious Books Like The Bible And Quran Still Need To Be Scrutinized Thoroughly, They Are The Sole And True Corruptors Of Faith. Why Do You Think Even True Believers Considered Some Part Of The Bible Apocryphal
Re: Why Faith Is Bad by Chrisx1x(m): 11:20am On Jun 19, 2016
Seun:
One if the issues with religion is that it promotes the idea of believing something not because you have been convinced by rational arguments and objective evidence that it is true, but because you want to believe it and choose to believe it.

When beliefs are based on reason and evidence, they are very likely to be true or at least close to the truth. When they are not, they are very likely to be false and far from the truth. False beliefs cause people to make bad decisions which lead to worse outcomes for them and for society.

When most people in society base their beliefs on objective evidence and reason, their beliefs tend to converge towards a single consistent view of reality. This enables them to cooperate massively and achieve great things for all to enjoy e.g. in science. In faith based societies and institutions, differences of opinion are hard to resolve, because people dogmatically hold on to their conflicting beliefs, leading to chronic conflicts that often erupt into violence.
i never knew you were an atheist until now.i just pray you don't find yourself in a very tight situation someday where the only thing left is to hope for the impossible-a miracle.believe it or not,faith works.
Re: Why Faith Is Bad by buskie13(m): 11:58am On Jun 19, 2016
Seun:
Faith in anything that is not true is bad. More people have been killed in the name of God than in the name of the devil.
Where did u get ur stats from?
Re: Why Faith Is Bad by urahara(m): 12:09pm On Jun 19, 2016
Chrisx1x:
i never knew you were an atheist until now.i just pray you don't find yourself in a very tight situation someday where the only thing left is to hope for the impossible-a miracle.believe it or not,faith works.


Very tight situations are no respecters of religion anf overcoming those tight situations is not a trend exclusive to christians alone

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