sheyiofficial:

Regional armies struggle in
last push against Boko Haram
By Joe Bavier | DIFFA, NIGER
(Reuters) - "You'll all be able to go home soon.
Boko Haram is nearly finished," Niger's Interior
Minister Mohamed Bazoum told a crowd of
refugees seated quietly on dusty, sun-baked flats.
His words of optimism were belied by the dozens-
strong security detail required to protect him as he
toured his country's southern border.
Seven years into an insurgency that spread from
Nigeria into Chad, Niger and Cameroon, regional
armies are now in a final push to defeat Boko
Haram, a once obscure Islamist sect turned deadly
militant group.
But lingering divisions in the countries' multi-
national joint task force (MNJTF) are complicating
that mission.
"If there's no strategy to attack Boko Haram
together, we won't ever finish with them,"
Mahamadou Liman Ali, an opposition lawmaker
from southern Niger, told Reuters in Niamey.
At a time when the world's wealthy nations are
focused on the fight against Islamic State and al
Qaeda, financial support for the MNJTF's efforts
against Boko Haram, which has pledged its
allegiance to IS, have fallen short of targets.
That has left the task force's members - including
Chad, the region's capable but increasingly
reluctant military powerhouse - to shoulder the
bulk of the costs of fighting the group.
Boko Haram's victims, which include 2.4 million
displaced, live in hope that this month-old
offensive - dubbed Operation Gama Aiki, or "finish
the job" in the local Hausa language - might
succeed where others have failed.
Some have doubts. From where he stays in
southern Niger, refugee Usman Kanimbu sees
smoke rising from the coalition's air strikes on
insurgent positions in Nigeria, the home he fled.
"We've fled eight times. Each time we arrive
somewhere Boko Haram attacks again. We would
keep running, but we can't afford to anymore," he
said. "I'm not sure this will ever end."
FRAGILE PROGRESS
As the sun sets over the Nigerian border, a
featureless expanse of sand and scrub trees,
soldiers from Niger peered over an earthen bern at
territory held by Boko Haram.
The skies above the borderlands now rumble daily
with the sound of fighter jets. Chadian troops have
ventured onto Lake Chad, a Boko Haram
stronghold. Regional military officers say they are
taking back ground from the insurgents.
The task force may indeed be making headway
against Boko Haram, which has fewer footholds
than it once did. Its leader, Abubakar Shekau, may
even be dead.
But the MNJTF is a far cry from what it was
conceived to be, a dedicated 8,700-strong force
blending soldiers from Nigeria, Niger, Cameroon,
Chad and Benin.
Instead, the nations rely on their own armies to
deal with Boko Haram threats. Troops from Chad,
which has the region's strongest military, reinforce
when needed then head back home.
"Each force is based in its country of origin.
There's no integrated force with battalions moving
in perfect coordination," said Vincent Foucher,
West Africa researcher at International Crisis Group
(ICG).
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The need for operational integration in the fight
against an enemy that knows no borders was
exposed during a similar regional offensive early
last year.
After troops from Chad and Niger drove Boko
Haram from a string of towns in Nigeria's far north,
they waited in vain for the Nigerian army to arrive
and hold them.
"We were there for three or four months, but the
Nigerian troops that were meant to take over from
us were not ready," Niger's Brigadier General
Abdou Sidikou Issa told Reuters.
Niger and Chad withdrew, according to a source
with knowledge of the operation, because they
feared becoming an occupying force. Issa said the
troops were overstretched logistically, however.
Either way, the vacuum they left allowed Boko
Haram to reclaim positions and carry on cross-
border raids.
"That's what's created problems for us again
today," Issa said.
The MNJTF was meant to prevent a repeat of those
kinds of incidents. The African Union endorsed the
force in January 2015 and a headquarters was
established in Chad's capital N'Djamena to
coordinate forces against the ever-evolving threat
of Boko Haram.
The AU has struggled to rally contributors to foot
the bill for the MNJTF's $700 million budget,
however. Donors, led by Nigeria and France,
pledged $250 million in February, just over a third
of what was needed, but dispersal has been slow.
The United States has also aided with intelligence
and training.
A senior MNJTF officer, who asked not to be
named as he was not authorized to speak, told
Reuters the money received so far was so little
that it only had covered the cost of 11 vehicles
and some radio equipment, with the individual
armies bearing the rest of the costs.
"There are all these declarations of intentions, but,
in concrete terms, nothing has been done yet," he
said.
A spokesman for the MNJTF did not respond to a
request for comment.
"HURTING"
A Boko Haram attack last month on Bosso, in
southeastern Niger, which killed 32 soldiers and a
number of civilians, was the kind of incident the
MNJTF was created for.
But rather than the multinational force kicking into
action as it is supposed to, Niger's President
Mahamadou Issoufou had to fly to N'Djamena to
lobby neighbor Chad for help.
Having played a lead role along with France in a
2013 intervention in Mali to drive back jihadist
groups there, Chad's President Idriss Deby has
become indispensable in the fight against West
African Islamists.
But with low oil prices now causing Deby
economic headaches at home and little direct
financial support coming from his allies, analysts
say he has grown resentful.
Two weeks after President Issoufou's visit, Reuters
visited a half-finished hotel complex in the
southern Niger city of Diffa that had been fully
booked out by the Chadian army. The Chadians
were nowhere to be seen. Dozens of bungalows
sat empty.
It would take more than a month for them to
arrive.
Excluding its oil sector, after 7 percent growth in
2014, Chad's economy contracted by 1.5 percent
last year, according to the International Monetary
Fund. Oil output rose to record levels, but low
prices meant revenues dipped.
"This is costing (Deby) a lot of money. There's a
big budget crisis ... He's definitely hurting," said
Nathaniel Powell, a researcher with the Swiss-
based Fondation Pierre du Bois.
A Chadian government official did not respond to a
request for comment.
Niger's tiny army - 15,000 troops to cover 1.2
million square kilometers (463,300 square miles) of
territory - is overstretched by Boko Haram, but
also by the overflow of unrelated Islamist violence
from Mali to its west.
Cameroon has meanwhile deployed thousands of
troops, including special forces, to its north to
secure its own territory against a suicide bombing
campaign.
And while Nigeria's President Muhammadu Buhari
has shown more willingness than his predecessor
to take on the insurgents, decades of graft have
hollowed out his military and it now faces
resurgent militancy in the oil-producing Niger
Delta.
The senior MNJTF officer said the regional
neighbors would continue to improve the force. In
the meantime, they had no other choice than to
act.
"If we wait, Boko Haram isn't going to wait for us,
are they?" he said.
(Additional reporting by Tim Cocks in Dakar and
Alexis Akwagyiram in Lagos; Editing by Tim Cocks,
Janet McBride)

The article dose not appear to be advancing our understanding of the current state of the fight against Bokoharam but rather seems like a piece reinforcing the US view that Chad is the military powerhouse in the region. The Nigerian initiative is failing on all fronts except the Chadian one. Perhaps the unspoken implication is that for the joint nation initiative against Bokoharam to succeed, Chad should be given full leave to enter Nigeria at will and do as Chad sees fit.

...in summery

Henry240:


Learn to read carefully before responding. There are no definite figures in that post, hence my use of about. I was also referring to the F-16 Block 52 in comparative price analysis, not the Block 60 (UAE) or the Viper variants which cost much higher.

Chairman, no Be fight na. Block 52 no be beans you buy about $40 million while block 60 will be about $80 million.

iblawi:


Chairman, no Be fight na. Block 52 no be beans you buy about $40 million while block 60 will be about $80 million.

Again i wasn't referring to the Block 60, i said Block 52. The Block 60 and Viper are way more expensive hence i excluded them.


I no talk say na fight at anytime, na u knw where you dey carry dis one come.

Nigerdeltaboi:
I have a problem with these BMATT guys carry arms in my own country , saw some at a military base with tigh hostler side arms .I dey beef them wallahi .

.....

Henry24o:


Again i wasn't referring to the Block 60, i said Block 52. The Block 60 and Viper are way more expensive hence i excluded them.


I no talk say na fight at anytime, na u knw where you dey carry dis one come.

OK Bros.

Litmus:



The article dose not appear to be advancing our understanding of the current state of the fight against Bokoharam but rather seems like a piece reinforcing the US view that Chad is the military powerhouse in the region. The Nigerian initiative is failing on all fronts except the Chadian one. Perhaps the unspoken implication is that for the joint nation initiative against Bokoharam to succeed, Chad should be given full leave to enter Nigeria at will and do as Chad sees fit.

...in summery

my brother you read btwn the lines

God knows what else this freaking bats have to write
Anyway to hell with them

well I Blame Nigerian PR sha...take TVC news correspondents (which I exceptionally like) to a low intensity Mop up to video first hand an op and let every news agency in the country see & know how capable their boys are shikenan

bidexiii:
It's like the NAF is not making use of its own camouflage again, even when you visit airforce base rarely will use them wear it again, instead it's either the universal or woodland camouflage.

Na wetin I de fear be this fa!
if they were importing that camouflage.. they should contract the Nigerian company that the others to do for the Airforce & navy with their traditional colors

anyways...I hope the BMATT team are training instructors...I know we are paying for the training cooperation So we must have Nigerian instructor so we can kick them out soonest

Beauty part of the Regiment is that they have their own anthem/song (like the USMC)...Bro its very cool...I felt like getting their form at once

c'mon DICON
modify that obj-006 to this
*and maybe change the name..it gives me d creeps*

Buratai: Why Nigerian Army Fights Boko Haram with Refurbished Equipment

The Nigerian Army on Monday said it has to revert to refurbished equipment to fight Boko Haram as modern weaponry and equipment are expensive.

Speaking at the opening ceremony of the 2016 Combat Support Arms Training Week in Maiduguri, the Chief of Army Staff, Lt-Gen. Tukur Buratai said the “acquisition of modern weaponry and equipment such as latest artillery guns, engineer bomb disposal equipment, cipher instrument to mention a few are quite expensive.”

Buratai, who was represented by the Army’s Chief of Training and Operations, Major-General Hassan Umaru, said: “The Nigerian Army had therefore decided in its wisdom to refurbish and re-modify existing equipment to meet the realities of the times.”

He added that: “This is what informed the tasking of the Special Vehicle Plant (SVP) located in Bauchi to undertake some daunting repair projects. Some of the vehicles sent there for re-modification or refurbishment have been certified serviceable for operational purposes and released to the end users.”

He assured that: “We shall continue to look inwards and take advantage of our competences to navigate the dilemma of operational exigencies and inadequate government resources to procure new equipment.”

He said: “This is required of us at this point in time. Needless to say here that equipment maintenance is the business of everyone. It is a challenge for us to maintain our equipment, which requires a change in attitude from each and every one of us.”

He said having gone through the theme of the training, “Countering Asymmetric Warfare in the 21st Century: The Role of Combat Supporting Arms”, “I am confident that the topics and resource persons for the training week have been carefully selected to ensure professional capacity.”

He added that there was no doubt that the outcome of the event would contribute positively to the decision making process of the Nigerian Army in its quest to effectively carry out its assigned constitutional roles

Somalia: Airstrikes hit Al Shabaab base in EL Ade

Unknown planes targeted Al Shabaab base with strikes late on Sunday night according to residents, Garowe Online reports. 

The airstrikes were said to be precise and could not hit civilian areas nearby, sources said under customary condition of anonymity.  At least three fighter jets were seen swooping over the targeted base where Al Shabaab maintains militias presence.  

On January 15, Al Shabaab carried out a deadly raid on Kenyan forces stationed there, prompting a wave of pummeling by Kenyans. 

Somali government officials and peacekeeper sources have not officially commented on the fatalities from the aerial assault overnight.  

Drone strikes previously hit built-up areas by mistake, despite reported casualties being dismissed by Jubaland authorities.  

PM offers condolences  Meanwhile in Mogadishu, Somali Prime Minister Omar Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke has offered his condolences over the passing of army veteran late General Abdirahman Warsame Elmi (Are).

NAF TROOPERS

bidexiii:
Buratai: Why Nigerian Army Fights Boko Haram with Refurbished Equipment

The Nigerian Army on Monday said it has to revert to refurbished equipment to fight Boko Haram as modern weaponry and equipment are expensive.

Speaking at the opening ceremony of the 2016 Combat Support Arms Training Week in Maiduguri, the Chief of Army Staff, Lt-Gen. Tukur Buratai said the “acquisition of modern weaponry and equipment such as latest artillery guns, engineer bomb disposal equipment, cipher instrument to mention a few are quite expensive.”

Buratai, who was represented by the Army’s Chief of Training and Operations, Major-General Hassan Umaru, said: “The Nigerian Army had therefore decided in its wisdom to refurbish and re-modify existing equipment to meet the realities of the times.”

He added that: “This is what informed the tasking of the Special Vehicle Plant (SVP) located in Bauchi to undertake some daunting repair projects. Some of the vehicles sent there for re-modification or refurbishment have been certified serviceable for operational purposes and released to the end users.”

He assured that: “We shall continue to look inwards and take advantage of our competences to navigate the dilemma of operational exigencies and inadequate government resources to procure new equipment.”

He said: “This is required of us at this point in time. Needless to say here that equipment maintenance is the business of everyone. It is a challenge for us to maintain our equipment, which requires a change in attitude from each and every one of us.”

He said having gone through the theme of the training, “Countering Asymmetric Warfare in the 21st Century: The Role of Combat Supporting Arms”, “I am confident that the topics and resource persons for the training week have been carefully selected to ensure professional capacity.”

He added that there was no doubt that the outcome of the event would contribute positively to the decision making process of the Nigerian Army in its quest to effectively carry out its assigned constitutional roles

This makes for depressing reading. Seems government is again hiding behind competing demands. You know, for sometime now, I've had the horrible feeling that this present government far from wanting to modernise the army and looking for modern fighter aircraft, has probably been fighting hard behind the seen to cancel the JF 17 aircraft contracts of the last government. America would like that.

Odunayaw:
Na wetin I de fear be this fa!
if they were importing that camouflage.. they should contract the Nigerian company that the others to do for the Airforce & navy with their traditional colors

anyways...I hope the BMATT team are training instructors...I know we are paying for the training cooperation So we must have Nigerian instructor so we can kick them out soonest

Beauty part of the Regiment is that they have their own anthem/song (like the USMC)...Bro its very cool...I felt like getting their form at once

Of course they can't be here forever. instructors frm the tiers of the Nigeria military will take over after some time.

if somebody wants to compare 2 aircraft's in terms of money then the most important parameter is the total life cycle cost.

aircraft x unit price may be 50 million dollars
aircraft y unit price may be 70 million dollars

but this does not necessarily mean that aircraft x is cheaper than aircraft y.

it is possible that the total life cycle cost which is calculated for the total operational life of the aircraft and includes maintenance cost , spare cost , overhaul cost , repair cost , (MTO) mean time between overhauls: no of times overhauls have to be carried out etc may turn out to be higher even for a cheaper aircraft .
eg
aircraft x total life cycle cost 110 million dollars (unit price 50 million dollars)
aircraft y total life cycle cost 90 million dollars (unit price 70 million dollars)

Litmus:


This makes for depressing reading. Seems government is again hiding behind competing demands. You know, for sometime now, I've had the horrible feeling that this present government far from wanting to modernise the army and looking for modern fighter aircraft, has probably been fighting hard behind the seen to cancel the JF 17 aircraft contracts of the last government. America would like that.

The jf17 is a done deal, sooner or later we will get the first three deliveries or even more who knows, There is no going back on the acquisition of those birds .

And sorry if u don't mind correcting part of ur statement; " has probably been fighting hard behind the seen to cancel the JF 17 aircraft contracts of the last government".
The acquisition first appeared in these year 2016 defence budget which includes : PROCUREMENT PLAN DETAILS THE ACQUISITION OF JF17 THUNDER/FC-1 MULTIROLE JETS, SUPER MUKSHAK TRAINER AIRCRAFT AND MI-35M ATTACK HELICOPTERS.

bidexiii:


The jf17 is a done deal, sooner or later we will get the first three deliveries or even more who knows, There is no going back on the acquisition of those birds .

And sorry if u don't mind correcting part of ur statement; " has probably been fighting hard behind the seen to cancel the JF 17 aircraft contracts of the last government".
The acquisition first appeared in these year 2016 defence budget which includes : PROCUREMENT PLAN DETAILS THE ACQUISITION OF JF17 THUNDER/FC-1 MULTIROLE JETS, SUPER MUKSHAK TRAINER AIRCRAFT AND MI-35M ATTACK HELICOPTERS.

Thanks for the reassurance and reeducation. I'm just desperate to see Nigeria ambitious and looking as if she means to fulfill her potential.

My brother you are right but there is an aspect you are missing out and i will try to illustrate it like this:

Imagine a poor man wanted to drink pap (Akamu or Koko) with milk. In the past this poor man would have had to find N1200 or so to buy a tin/refill pack of milk. For this reason he would probably end up not drinking the pap or managing it without milk.

Luckily Wonderfoods (Promasidor) came up with small one-man dose sachets of milk for about N50 so that a poor man could also drink milk. From an analyst's point of view, that N50 satchet is actually more expensive than the refill pack if you check (total costs per unit) i.e. if you use those refill packs daily for 1 month, you will spend more money than if you close eye and buy the large refill pack.

So back to fighter jets. while it maybe cheaper to buy a squadron of jets A over the life cycle, the prohibitive costs of initial acquisition of those jets may make it impossible for a poor country to buy them. They may prefer to acquire a squadron of cheaper aircraft - Jet B, though in the long term Jet B will cost more, but at least they are on ground from day 1 and provide presence in force, rather than maybe opting to buy the more expensive (but more economical jet A) say in batches of 4 each over a long period.

nemesis2u:
if somebody wants to compare 2 aircraft's in terms of money then the most important parameter is the total life cycle cost.

aircraft x unit price may be 50 million dollars
aircraft y unit price may be 70 million dollars

but this does not necessarily mean that aircraft x is cheaper than aircraft y.

it is possible that the total life cycle cost which is calculated for the total operational life of the aircraft and includes maintenance cost , spare cost , overhaul cost , repair cost , (MTO) mean time between overhauls: no of times overhauls have to be carried out etc may turn out to be higher even for a cheaper aircraft .
eg
aircraft x total life cycle cost 110 million dollars (unit price 50 million dollars)
aircraft y total life cycle cost 90 million dollars (unit price 70 million dollars)

SergeAlain:
My brother you are right but there is an aspect you are missing out and i will try to illustrate it like this:

Imagine a poor man wanted to drink pap (Akamu or Koko) with milk. In the past this poor man would have had to find N1200 or so to buy a tin/refill pack of milk. For this reason he would probably end up not drinking the pap or managing it without milk.

Luckily Wonderfoods (Promasidor) came up with small one-man dose sachets of milk for about N50 so that a poor man could also drink milk. From an analyst's point of view, that N50 satchet is actually more expensive than the refill pack if you check (total costs per unit) i.e. if you use those refill packs daily for 1 month, you will spend more money than if you close eye and buy the large refill pack.

So back to fighter jets. while it maybe cheaper to buy a squadron of jets A over the life cycle, the prohibitive costs of initial acquisition of those jets may make it impossible for a poor country to buy them. They may prefer to acquire a squadron of cheaper aircraft - Jet B, though in the long term Jet B will cost more, but at least they are on ground from day 1 and provide presence in force, rather than maybe opting to buy the more expensive (but more economical jet A) say in batches of 4 each over a long period.

What a funny illustration cracking my ribs right here but you've delivered a great message here mate.......

Litmus:


This makes for depressing reading. Seems government is again hiding behind competing demands. You know, for sometime now, I've had the horrible feeling that this present government far from wanting to modernise the army and looking for modern fighter aircraft, has probably been fighting hard behind the seen to cancel the JF 17 aircraft contracts of the last government. America would like that.

This is certainly not true. The JF-17s are coming, we would get up to 26 units, then go for a light trainer complimented by the Super Mushak.


The area where we would have to totally take out our minds is in battle fighting ships, Frigates and Corvettes, we won't be getting any of those anytime soon.

Truth about the matter is, Defence equipment is expensive and the costs keep going up. Thank God for the likes of the JF-17, we surely wouldn't have been able to procure modern fighter jets in quality numbers.

#BATTLE FIELD IMAGES

TAKING CARE OF W.I.A.

Odunayaw:
c'mon DICON
modify that obj-006 to this
*and maybe change the name..it gives me d creeps*

nice one add ,most importantly polymer too , on a lighter note have so gotten used to iron Ak that it felt somehow using the beryl carbine at first .

DEATHMACHINE:
nice one add ,most importantly polymer too , on a lighter note have so gotten used to iron Ak that it felt somehow using the beryl carbine at first .

The dust/receiver cover is the part i hate the most on the AK's & even the beryl rifle, It's the first part that rifle gets rust and I hate the sight, look @ the beryl rifles they are already having the look also.

Polymer is the way forward .

DEATHMACHINE:
nice one add ,most importantly polymer too , on a lighter note have so gotten used to iron Ak that it felt somehow using the beryl carbine at first .

The AK is old school. So are all NA specialised units equipped with the Beryl, and have there been any new deliveries about from the initial order?

Henry24o:


The AK is old school. So are all NA specialised units equipped with the Beryl, and have there been any new deliveries about from the initial order?

that's the plan ,as for new deliveries I can't say thou

DEATHMACHINE:
that's the plan ,as for new deliveries I can't say thou

I'm sure u most have atleast fired the Tavor-21, which do you prefer between the two of them( Beryl & Tavor-21)?

DEATHMACHINE:
nice one add ,most importantly polymer too , on a lighter note have so gotten used to iron Ak that it felt somehow using the beryl carbine at first .

lol...do soldiers not register their preference (respectfully) to rednecks?

Litmus:


Thanks for the reassurance and reeducation. I'm just desperate to see Nigeria ambitious and looking as if she means to fulfill her potential.

lol calm down buddy...the daily cost of the war is enough to build some infrastructure
So I understand the General's point of View. if it were @ d beginning of the war he said this...I would have just changed my nationality

SergeAlain:
My brother you are right but there is an aspect you are missing out and i will try to illustrate it like this:

Imagine a poor man wanted to drink pap (Akamu or Koko) with milk. In the past this poor man would have had to find N1200 or so to buy a tin/refill pack of milk. For this reason he would probably end up not drinking the pap or managing it without milk.

Luckily Wonderfoods (Promasidor) came up with small one-man dose sachets of milk for about N50 so that a poor man could also drink milk. From an analyst's point of view, that N50 satchet is actually more expensive than the refill pack if you check (total costs per unit) i.e. if you use those refill packs daily for 1 month, you will spend more money than if you close eye and buy the large refill pack.

So back to fighter jets. while it maybe cheaper to buy a squadron of jets A over the life cycle, the prohibitive costs of initial acquisition of those jets may make it impossible for a poor country to buy them. They may prefer to acquire a squadron of cheaper aircraft - Jet B, though in the long term Jet B will cost more, but at least they are on ground from day 1 and provide presence in force, rather than maybe opting to buy the more expensive (but more economical jet A) say in batches of 4 each over a long period.

lol


i understand your point of view

but u must understand that my opinion was purely technical, a stand alone technical fact which is neutral and to the point,
and did not include factors like national financial constrains , liability of sanctions etc

so if u involve or include the external factors then the outcome changes as u correctly pointed out.

u must forgive me because my views r based on neutral technical facts without playing to the gallery, i leave it to the readers of the different nationalities to mold / interpret my views from their nations point of view.

again i agree with u since u factored ur countries constrains / previous experience to come to ur own conclusion.
so i welcome and agree to ur view.

on a funny note

if i was a poor person which i am
i would not buy Wonderfoods (Promasidor) small one-man dose sachets of milk for about N50, (it is just a marketing gimmick to increase sales and offers no significant nutrients benefit )
because if i am thirsty a bucket of water will do me good ,
a small sachet of milk will do me no miracles in terms of nutrients,
while a N1200 jar of milk gulped down over a period of even 2 weeks with water added to it will do me lot of good quantitatively and qualitatively.




on a serious note i still remember what it is to go hungry
the solution was to take a cotton towel dip it in water , then squeeze out the excess water and wrap it around the stomach tightly.
100% guaranteed to stop hunger aches .
good old days, miss them

just sharing a experience
wonder what the poor fellows in other countries do to stop hunger aches

NA GAZELLE HELICOPTER ON THE FRONTLINES..

Henry24o:


I'm sure u most have atleast fired the Tavor-21, which do you prefer between the two of them( Beryl & Tavor-21)?

yeah tavor is cool cos I am Left handed but the Beryl's 7.62 round makes the difference .

Odunayaw:
lol...do soldiers not register their preference (respectfully) to rednecks?

sure there official channels for that

My brother you too much.

nemesis2u:


lol


i understand your point of view

but u must understand that my opinion was purely technical, a stand alone technical fact which is neutral and to the point,
and did not include factors like national financial constrains , liability of sanctions etc

so if u involve or include the external factors then the outcome changes as u correctly pointed out.

u must forgive me because my views r based on neutral technical facts without playing to the gallery, i leave it to the readers of the different nationalities to mold / interpret my views from their nations point of view.

again i agree with u since u factored ur countries constrains / previous experience to come to ur own conclusion.
so i welcome and agree to ur view.

on a funny note

if i was a poor person which i am
i would not buy Wonderfoods (Promasidor) small one-man dose sachets of milk for about N50, (it is just a marketing gimmick to increase sales and offers no significant nutrients benefit )
because if i am thirsty a bucket of water will do me good ,
a small sachet of milk will do me no miracles in terms of nutrients,
while a N1200 jar of milk gulped down over a period of even 2 weeks with water added to it will do me lot of good quantitatively and qualitatively.




on a serious note i still remember what it is to go hungry
the solution was to take a cotton towel dip it in water , then squeeze out the excess water and wrap it around the stomach tightly.
100% guaranteed to stop hunger aches .
good old days, miss them

just sharing a experience
wonder what the poor fellows in other countries do to stop hunger aches