@OP,

Didn't I not warn you that it is your fellow christians that want to destroy your marriage? Just look at that comnent from your fellow Nairalander(a christian), asking you to walk out of your own marriage!!!

its very easy to become an atheist...u no more leave by rules or doctrines of morality. its very bad that your husband hid his true nature from you for years. but him telling the kids that bible stories are lies isn't fair.
he should feed them with his stories not disproving urs. let them choose.
one problem i have with atheist is that they go about disproving christian doctrines instead of establishing theirs.

Hmm just observing. Am afraid I'm turning to an atheist myself.

Well, the theist believes in the existence of a self-sustaining, uncreated being - God. The a-theist says impossible. How can one in his intelligence say there is a God. IMHO, the atheist is the one making the assertion. The burden of proof lies on you. The trick has always been to place the burden of proof on the unlearned theist. Why not take initiative and lay down your objective proof. Don't pass the buck.

OneManLegion:


Lol. No, ma'am. In law, there's an aphorism, "he who asserts must prove."

If that aphorism is anything to go by, you're the one who needs to prove the existence of God and you must do this with solid evidences that are verifiable and can be subjected to perusal by objective, disinterested folks.

I no longer engage myself in any discussion related to religion. Everyone sees you as a devil the moment you oppose their views. I hope to date if possible get married to an atheist....to save myself from dramatic events in the future

goodguygonebad:
Well, the theist believes in the existence of a self-sustaining, uncreated being - God. The a-theist says impossible. How can one in his intelligence say there is a God. IMHO, the atheist is the one making the assertion. The burden of proof lies on you. The trick has always been to place the burden of proof on the unlearned theist. Why not take initiative and lay down your objective proof. Don't pass the buck.

You said there is water in the jar, I said there is none, who should prove that there is water? Me or you?

Great you accept that you are the one countering my statement, more reason you should show proof against my thought of "water in jar".

Burden of proof will be on me if you come to me saying "What's your proof of water in the jar?". However, if you say "No, there's no water in the jar, then it's up to you to proof me wrong".

Kapish

freshcvvs:


You said there is water in the jar, I said there is none, who should prove that there is water? Me or you?

goodguygonebad:
Great you accept that you are the one countering my statement, more reason you should show proof against my thought of "water in jar".

Burden of proof will be on me if you come to me saying "What's your proof of water in the jar?". However, if you say "No, there's no water in the jar, then it's up to you to proof me wrong".

Kapish

LOL, simple logic, how do you prove what you know doesn't exist? who should prove it exist?

I don't have money, you claimed i do, okay, show me the money. not that i don't believe in God, but not the way some of you push the God thing. too lame.

*sighs...well ma'am this is only a phase to really prove what and whom you believe in if you really do. Don't get me wrong,this is not for you to confront your husband or hold any grudge against him,as you have said your husband is really a good man,remember the story of Cornelius?? Smiles. You have a weapon greater than any other "love".... He is your husband,your head and you're not meant to go against him rather intercede greatly for him,love him,respect him,honour him. A woman in Christ solves problems on her knees,ma'am you're not meant to talk to humans about your husband,talk to whom you believe is his maker,you gat to strike a deal with the holy spirit in the place of prayer,pray for him,pray for your kids, stop talking to people about him,you will only get sad the more. Love,respect,honour and submit to him,remember the scriptures said respect even your " unbelieving husbands".... Commit and control his heart in the place of prayer that is where your strength is,and don't do it in a way that will irritate him and will ban you from praying ... Pray for your family and still be a good wife to your husband he is lord over you

shadeyinka:
I am a marriage counselor and a Christian. Whatever anybody says about your loving husband is their business! Don't let it get to you. They are third parties in your marriage. They will destroy your marriage if you let them.

No matter what, your Atheistic husband is the bone of your bones and the flesh of your flesh. Period!

Make light of his new attitude. Don't forget that you too have changed from a nominal Christian to a serious Christian.

No human beings can change him. No one can..and that's the truth. ENJOY your Husband, Enjoy your Marriage. If you attempt to directly or indirectly change your husband, you will DESTROY your marriage.


What you should do is not simple and I will not lie to you.

1. Love your husband UNCONDITIONALY
2. Let the Fruit of the Holy Spirit abound in you.
3. Pray DEEP prayers for your husband in your closet.
4. Be the Spiritual Father to your Children?
4. Show your children that you love them.

Read and Understand the Arguments of Atheists and obtain BOTH Logical and Spiritual explanations, illustrations and examples to help them understand the fact that the dimension of the spirit and GOD exists.

You have to be strong spiritually as you can no longer be the "my pastor says". You need to understand the theology of your believe about Christ.

Seriously... She should stop talking to people about him,he is her husband not theirs... And to settle the scores is BTW her n the holy spirit...not with a pastor or families

The first bolded. You need objective, undeniable, empirical evidence (and please not theory) that God doesn't exist.

@Second bolded, Without having any discussion on the topic with me, you already made your conclusion about me. That is very intelligent of you.

freshcvvs:


LOL, simple logic, how do you prove what you know doesn't exist? who should prove it exist?

I don't have money, you claimed i do, okay, show me the money. not that i don't believe in God, but not the way some of you push the God thing. too lame.

mazaje:
Normally I believe that your husband has the same right to openly practice his atheism just as you have your right to openly practice your religion. But in a society like Nigeria where a great majority of the people are backward, intolerant, willfully ignorant, uneducated,freaful,irrational, superstitious and generally stupi.d. Your husband will not be accepted as an atheist in that backward society. . . .As someone pointed out, muslims generally believe that christians are going to hell anyway and christians hold the same view about muslims. . .They still try to live with each other despite holding such beliefs about each other, why they refuse to accept the atheist and try to avoid them as if they are some plauge that need to be avioded is really mindboogling. . .

Nigeria is the most religious country I know yet it remains the most rotten country I have ever visited, nothing is just working in that cesspool. I live in a majority atheist country and it is heaven on earth compared to Nigeria. . .Isn't that clear evidence that Nigerians are just wasting their time with all the imaginary gods they claim to be worshiping?. . .So your pastor and friends all dislike your husband for not beleieving in their mythical superstitions and delusions, eh?. . .Leave your husband and go find happiness with a christian brother. . ..

well spoken man. The fact is that a lot of persons are developing atheistic ideas and the primary cause is the unreasonable religiosity of modern Christians especially the new generation churches.Imagine someone was suffering a heart attack and what u guys could think of at the moment was prayer instead of instant medical attention. Why won't he think you are all crazy.
moreover you and probably those close to you know virtually nothing about God in terms of scriptural knowledge and evidences of his existence,hence the reason he always defeats you.There are more than enough evidences to prove God exists.check out information at www.jw.org.

goodguygonebad:
Well, the theist believes in the existence of a self-sustaining, uncreated being - God. The a-theist says impossible. How can one in his intelligence say there is a God. IMHO, the atheist is the one making the assertion. The burden of proof lies on you. The trick has always been to place the burden of proof on the unlearned theist. Why not take initiative and lay down your objective proof. Don't pass the buck.

There's no solid evidence of how we came into sentience except those of archaic papysuses and scrolls penned by unlearned, unscientific and superstitious people which, we mustnt forget, is chock-full of contradictions, fantastic stories and outright fallacies.

Needless to say, the sayings of this book and its likes can't be accepted by learned folks who have been exposed to the knowledge unraveled by science.

On this premise, I can, with confidence, say that it is the theist who claims that such a thing as "A God" exists and upon them will the onus lie to prove the validity of that assertion thereby shifting the burden of proof from the theists to the atheists, no?

goodguygonebad:
The first bolded. You need objective, undeniable, empirical evidence (and please not theory) that God doesn't exist.

@Second bolded, Without having any discussion on the topic with me, you already made your conclusion about me. That is very intelligent of you.

And you have empirical, undeniable or objective evidence that your idea of a God exist? the "god exist" theory came first, so they should prove it does and not because of some books (theory).

Well maybe we haven't had any, but i quoted you because you were of the assertion of an existing God? which other discussion do i need to know that you are a pro-God which i am not against, just against the way you came about it.

Telling an atheist to prove there is no God is a funny way of proving that there is.

Theist - There is a God
Atheist- I don't believe you.

Shouldn't the first give reasons why the second should believe and not push the "proving" to the second? you came first with the logic of God so why push it to the person against your assertion?

@ First bolded ,quickly I will assume you are positing that learning and science jumped into existence in this dispensation.

OneManLegion:


There's no solid evidence of how we came into sentience except those of archaic papysuses and scrolls penned by unlearned, unscientific and superstitious people which, we mustnt forget, is chock-full of contradictions, fantastic stories and outright fallacies.

Needless to say, the sayings of this book and its likes can't be accepted by learned folks who have been exposed to the knowledge unraveled by science.

On this premise, I can, with confidence, say that it is the theist who claims that such a thing as "A God" exists and upon them will the onus lie to prove the validity of that assertion thereby shifting the burden of proof from the theists to the atheists, no?

I am a pro God exist.

I never at any time mentioned that my proof does come only from the Bible.

How I came about it? I thought you made a wrong generalization and I brought it to your attention. How did I (specifically) come about it that you didn't like? I guess you also assumed that I am probably only emotional in my belief? Well, whereas, I am emotional, I am also logical. You just needed to engage me in the discussion.

@bolded, Wrong definition

atheist
ˈeɪθɪɪst/
noun
noun: atheist; plural noun: atheists

a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods

I pushed the burden of proof to the atheist because over time, throughout history, it's being the norm that the burden of proof be placed on the theist by the atheist. I think that should stop. My reason for saying "since you don't accept my proposal of the existence of a God, then you should give me your evidence against". Perhaps, if your argument is strong, objective and undeniable, we could all agree to establish your argument. The theists are still waiting.

freshcvvs:


And you have empirical, undeniable or objective evidence that your idea of a God exist? the "god exist" theory came first, so they should prove it does and not because of some books (theory).

Well maybe we haven't had any, but i quoted you because you were of the assertion of an existing God? which other discussion do i need to know that you are a pro-God which i am not against, just against the way you came about it.

Telling an atheist to prove there is no God is a funny way of proving that there is.

Theist - There is a God
Atheist- I don't believe you.

Shouldn't the first give reasons why the second should believe and not push the "proving" to the second? you came first with the logic of God so why push it to the person against your assertion?

uzolexis:


Wow!!! I have learnt a lot from this your post. I'm Catholic and my fiancee is atheist and I'm a bit worried cos I heard that he must do baptism, 1st holy Communion and all of that before we can get married in the Catholic Church. So it's actually possible not to do this and still get wedded in the church Pls enlighten me.

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goodguygonebad:
I am a pro God exist.

I never at any time mentioned that my proof does come only from the Bible.

How I came about it? I thought you made a wrong generalization and I brought it to your attention. How did I (specifically) come about it that you didn't like? I guess you also assumed that I am probably only emotional in my belief? Well, whereas, I am emotional, I am also logical. You just needed to engage me in the discussion.

@bolded, Wrong definition

atheist
ˈeɪθɪɪst/
noun
noun: atheist; plural noun: atheists

a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods

I pushed the burden of proof to the atheist because over time, throughout history, it's being the norm that the burden of proof be placed on the theist by the atheist. I think that should stop. My reason for saying "since you don't accept my proposal of the existence of a God, then you should give me your evidence against". Perhaps, if your argument is strong, objective and undeniable, we could all agree to establish your argument. The theists are still waiting.

You think that should stop doesn't change what it is.

You believe something exist so the onus remains with you to prove that.

goodguygonebad:
Well, the theist believes in the existence of a self-sustaining, uncreated being - God. The a-theist says impossible. How can one in his intelligence say there is a God. IMHO, the atheist is the one making the assertion. The burden of proof lies on you. The trick has always been to place the burden of proof on the unlearned theist. Why not take initiative and lay down your objective proof. Don't pass the buck.

We never even said there's no God until you came to announce that there's a supreme being.

Then I guess you atheistic stance (if any) is simply conflicting. You need to be clear.

neoapocalypse:


We never even said there's no God until you came to announce that there's a supreme being.

goodguygonebad:
Then I guess you atheistic stance are simply conflicting. You need to be clear.

Not at all , the atheist shouldn't even be called an atheist , we are just normal people who need to be convinced that a supreme being exist and you guys have been doing a terrible job at that.

I am not intent on convincing you, I am intent on engaging in an intelligent discuss about the God matter or not and none of you "normal people needing convincing" wants that. Y'all have been asking for a proof.

neoapocalypse:


Not at all , the atheist shouldn't even be called an atheist , we are just normal people who need to be convinced that a supreme being exist and you guys have been doing a terrible job at that.

U guys can quarrel over nothing...an atheist tells u that God doesn't exist; must u contend with him?.
He (Atheist) is right cos everything that exist must die (be no more)... in my words there is an expiry date for everything that exist.
Am a Christian...GOD IS...GOD doesn't exist
GOD IS...that makes him sovereign...He has no beginning and no end...He never dies...So God doesn't exist

yolandy:
I have been around here for a while. I just created this new id to relate my problems here.

My husband of over 6 years has now become an outspoken atheist. He has been one all along but he has been keeping it on the low. He opened up to me and told me 3 years after we got married. I was shocked but there was nothing I could do. He wasn't really a religious person before we got married and I wasn't as well(I was much more religious than him even at that time). I began to take my religion very seriously after we got married. Now I have an amazing relatioship with God. I take it very seriously, and I put God first in my life. My husband does not. He doesn't rub his atheism on my face, we don't talk about religion, even when we do, it is always me that brings it up but, he sometimes listens and sometimes dismiss what I am saying with a wave of hand or with a laugh. He is a very good man and an excellent husband, he takes very good care of me and my 2 kids, he loves us to death, and does his duty as a father and a husband excellently. I can't wish for a better man.

He is not the type to engage in and argument over religion because he is very smart and always wins. I have seen 3 people engage him and they ended up losing the argument to him. He is widely read and cleaver so I can't even go into an argument with him. His mind is already made up. The problem I have right now is that he is becoming outspoken about his unbelief, back in the days he just keeps it to himself, these days I see him openly mocking and deriding pastors, believers, and anything that has to do with religion and I am not comfortable with that. Last week his elder brother had a heart attack(we live in the same estate), while his brother's wife and family were praying for him, my husband who is a doctor came and told them to shut up and allow him do what he can, he said instead of wasting their time praying to an imaginary God they should go and get the car ready to take him to the hospital because taking him to the hospital is what will save his life not some empty prayers to an imaginary God. Every body was shocked. His actions like these get me very worried. He is now very open about his unbelief and uses it to mock people that come to talk to him about God or religion. Most people I know now dislike him greatly for his unbelief. Rumors are circulating that he is in a secret cult. My pastor and friends in church don't like him. His family dislike him as well but they can't confront him. People now see me as "the wife of that devil" and I am not comfortable with it at all.

Some days ago I over heard him suggesting to my 6 years old son that the stories in the Bible are mere stories. It started when my son asked him why he doesn't pray together with us. I confronted him and he said he just wanted the boy to know how he feels about the Bible. He then said he will wait for our kids to grow up some more before letting them know his position. But I fear with his present outspoken attitude, he will try to poison their young minds and tell them that all the stories inside the Bible are all lies the way he tells any body that comes his way to either preach to him or engage him in any discussion about religion. We aren't having any problems now but I fear that his increasing outspokenness about his atheism will bring problems in our marriage sooner or later. I just hope he will keep quite and keep everything to himself they way he used to before but he won't. I have talked to him but he won't listen. He doesn't go about telling people that they should become atheist like him, but the way he goes about mocking religion and believers when ever the topic comes up is driving me mad. I really fear for our kids. What if something happens to me? I know my kids will become atheist like him, because he will poison their minds. What do I do now? I am really confused. I need advice from matured minds here. Please this should not be taken to the front page. I just want to read the contributions of the matured minds in here. Thank you

warn your church members and family to cease and desist trying to break your marriage or simply stop going to see them. Choose, your happy marriage or divorce and strife. the almighty does not need you to fight his battles for him.

uzolexis:


Wow!!! I have learnt a lot from this your post. I'm Catholic and my fiancee is atheist and I'm a bit worried cos I heard that he must do baptism, 1st holy Communion and all of that before we can get married in the Catholic Church. So it's actually possible not to do this and still get wedded in the church Pls enlighten me.

I don't know who's the bigger dunce.
The atheist marrying the bible thumper,
Or the bible thumper marrying the atheist.

Luckymay:
Hmm just observing. Am afraid I'm turning to an atheist myself.

What if after you're dead, there really is God, what are you going to do then?

uzolexis:


I am also currently dating an atheist and must,he us the most amazing guy I have ever met and this is the best relationship I have been in. We are planning to get married but sometimes I worry about our kids and all. I am not the judgemental, firing spitting type Christian and we both respect each other's belief but what of when we have little ones

Hmmm... I'll advice you to think well if your love for your fiancee is worth sacrificing your love of God for. I'm Catholic just like you and I understand how "love" works.

What if after marriage he forbids you and your kids from going to church anymore, what are you going to do? Divorce is not allowed by the Catholic church for any reason especially for a sacramental marriage. Think twice dear.

Your husband will promise you heaven so he can marry you but change later on...

Ioannes:


Hmmm... I'll advice you to think well if your love for your fiancee is worth sacrificing your love of God for. I'm Catholic just like you and I understand how "love" works.

What if after marriage he forbids you and your kids from going to church anymore, what are you going to do? Divorce is not allowed by the Catholic church for any reason especially for a sacramental marriage. Think twice dear.

Your husband will promise you heaven so he can marry you but change later on...

I have dated the so called "Catholic religious men"and NONE of them are half as awesome as my fiancee is, none of them make me half as happy as he does and that's what is most important to me. He is not judgemental and does not impose his opinion on me unlike the so-called Christian men, he respects my opinion and decisions and I respect his. For instance I love going to the club cos I really like dancing, but my Christian ex will be like "a Christian should not go to the club blablabla", even forbid me from going to the club thereby restricting me from doing what makes me happy
I want to be with someone that respects my opinion and does not judge me and I am 100% sure I am with the right person, so why should religion be a barrier

uzolexis:


I have dated the so called "Catholic religious men"and NONE of them are half as awesome as my fiancee is, none of them make me half as happy as he does and that's what is most important to me. He is not judgemental and does not impose his opinion on me unlike the so-called Christian men, he respects my opinion and decisions and I respect his. For instance I love going to the club cos I really like dancing, but my Christian ex will be like "a Christian should not go to the club blablabla", even forbid me from going to the club thereby restricting me from doing what makes me happy
I want to be with someone that respects my opinion and does not judge me and I am 100% sure I am with the right person, so why should religion be a barrier

And I respect that madam. I'm not saying that your fiancee is a monster. Neither am i saying that you shouldnt marry him. All I'm saying is, have you considered all future possibilities?

If you have a family problem that you need to consult a spiritual guide for will your husband follow you to the presence of a priest?

Maybe you should read the original post on this thread again.

But then again, who knows whether God wants to use you to convert him. Eventually whatever it is, it's your decision and I don't want you hurt.

Hate seeing women suffer in marriages.

Be safe, madam.

Ioannes:


What if after you're dead, there really is God, what are you going to do then?

Well I guess I will join the rest of the unbelievers. Seriously I need God's convictions.

.....It's topics like this that makes one wonder how Atheists are somehow the bad guys.






And they also scare the shit out of me about marriage.

Luckymay:

Well I guess I will join the rest of the unbelievers. Seriously I need God's convictions.

Search for him madam. He exists.

Looking at life, the world, the galaxy and saying God doesn't exist is like saying that it's possible for a whirlwind to sweep through a scrap yard and assemble a brand new Porsche car.

Nothing happens unless somebody starts it off.

A cookie in a glass jar can't simply disappear unless some fingers snitched it.

The famous big bang couldn't have occurred(if it is true it occurred) without someone starting it off.

That you cannot see him, doesn't mean he isn't there.

Scientists cannot see gravity, nobody can, but we believe it's there.

The most brilliant human and angelic minds can never ever fully comprehend even to one billionth degree of the Majesty of him who authored life.

Some centuries ago, there lived a man, Augustine was his name.

He was a brilliant man, very brilliant and he wrestled with studies about who God is and his nature.

He kept at it getting frustrated at times.

Then one night after an exhausting research, he fell into a deep sleep. He saw himself on a beach.

Close to the water he saw a small kid of about 5years old busy fetching water to and fro the beach and pouring it into the hole he had dug in the sand.

Augustine approached the kid and asked him what he was up about.

To his amusement, the kid told him that he was trying to empty the ocean into that hole he had dug.

Augustine laughed and laughed and proceeded to show the kid how futile his efforts were.

And the kid looked him in the eye and asked "if this is impossible, how then do you think a created mind can phantom or plumb the depths of God its creator?

And the kid disappeared from his presence.

Most atheists are so because of either of two main reasons or both.

Either they've been through a hard time and they prayed and they didn't get what they wanted from God which made them sarcastic, or,

They were brought up in a home that never acknowledged the existence of God and the thought that the pleasures they are enjoying now might be wrong according to that God makes them rather deny him.

Either way, evil is real and no one can sit on the fence in the battle that is raging on in the other realm different than our own.

(Sorry for the lecture, couldn't help it)