winner01:
hahahahaha , Na so you wan do am I tire oo.

You people ehn

Ogbeni. You are not getting off easily. Hitler believed Christianity to be a mockery of the Godhead. If you cannot show that Hitler was atheist, then you have to tender an apology to all the atheists on this forum for your unending lies.

AnonyNymous:

Nobody is separating you from your creator, nobody cares - thats the way it should be. Religion has too much influence and power over things that should be secular.

You care, thats why you want people to disbelieve in God with you.

Again, how do you intend to reduce religious power and influence without infringing on the rights of people.

Weah96:


EXACTLY. See, you can follow clues when you wanna.



No bro. Why must someone come bro? You envision a small minded creator bro, one burdened by human constraints and ideas.

If Jesus was Nigerian, I would have kept quiet. Although that Olumba Olumba fellow is looking increasingly promising.

A Creator wont be burdened about ideas or constraints if He didnt care about us.
Whoever puts us here cares what humans do. Its rational to believe that.

So its not even about religion, its about foreign religion to you?

winner01:
Okay sir.

Mouth=100%

Proof with valid statistics=0%

You try.

Mouth? U Are not serious if I should bring statistic this thread will not end!! Only the inquisition could take 7pages...don't even try joking with me am not ready for that!
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winner01:
A Creator wont be burdened about ideas or constraints if He didnt care about us.
Whoever puts us here cares what humans do. Its rational to believe that.

So its not even about religion, its about foreign religion to you?

Traditional religions represent a cultural identity. Many atheist Jews practice judaism, Ari Shaffir the comedian, for example. Yoruba people have a culture and value system which cannot be removed from their ancestral spirituality. Chinese people may be atheist in principle and yet still practice Taoism culturally.

AmenRa1:

Mouth? U Are not serious if I should bring statistic this thread will not end!! Only the inquisition could take 7pages...don't even try joking with me am not ready for that!
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Mouth!!!.
Most atheists here have also christian quotes to their names before they became atheists. Those quotes were in 1929.
Look at that date im about to provide very well, then show me his christian quotes after those dates.

winner01:
In June 1941, Hitler ordered an invasion of the Soviet Union. And on 12th July, 1941, he gave the following quote

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)


On 10th October, 1941, he said:

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)


on 14th October, 1941, he said

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity is the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52) Hitlers' Table Talks.


On October 19th, 1941
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges, the pox and christianity"- Table talks"


December 13th of the same year, he said "When all is said and done, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunized against the disease."

So get to work dude.

Weah96:


Traditional religions represent a cultural identity. Many atheist Jews practice judaism, Ari Shaffir the comedian, for example. Yoruba people have a culture and value system which cannot be removed from their ancestral spirituality. Chinese people may be atheist in principle and yet still practice Taoism culturally.

So in a nutshell, christianity took away our cultural identity?

winner01:


Mouth!!!.
Most atheists here have also christian quotes to their names before they became atheists. Those quotes were in 1929.
Look at that date im about to provide very well, then show me his christian quotes after those dates.



So get to work dude.

Funny the same 1941+ this quote we're made

"I am Catholic and will remain so until the day I die"– HITLER , 1941

“Along with the fight for a purer morality we have taken upon ourselves the struggle against the decomposition of our religion. We have therefore taken up the struggle against the Godless movement, and not just with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out. And above all we have dragged the priests out of the lowlands of the political party struggle and have brought them back into the church." -Adolf Hitler, In celebration of Germany’s exit from the League of Nations, maintains that the Third Reich actively implements the Christian agenda , 1945[/b]

"I often feel that we will have to undergo all the trials the devil and hell can devise before we achieve Final Victory....I may be no pious churchgoer, but deep within me I am nevertheless a devout man. That is to say, I believe that he who fights valiantly obeying the laws which a god has established and who never capitulates but instead gathers his
forces time after time and always pushes forward—such a man will not be abandoned by the Lawgiver. Rather he will ultimately receive the blessing of Providence. And that blessing has been imparted to all great spirits in history." - Adolf Hitler, as quoted from Albert Speer's Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs (1982)

“Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism the destroyer. Nevertheless, the Galilean, who later was called Christ, intended something quite different. He must be regarded as a popular leader who too up His position against Jewry. Galilee was a colony where the Romans had probably installed Gallic legionaries, and it's certain that Jesus was not a Jew. The Jews, by the way, regarded Him as the son of a LovePeddler-- of a LovePeddler and a Roman soldier ... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work with subtlety and for purposes of personal exploitation. For the Galiean's object was to liberate His country from Jewish oppression. He set Himself against Jewish capitalism, and that's why the Jews liquidated Him.” – Adolf Hitler ,
Table-Talk (page 76)

“ Christ was an Aryan, and St. Paul used his doctrine to mobilize the criminal underworld and thus organize
a proto-Bolshevism.” – Adolf Hitler Table-Talk (page 143)

"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people" – Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.” – Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” – Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

Winner01 u christian lies won't work with me!!

AmenRa1:

Funny the same 1941+ this quote we're made

"I am Catholic and will remain so until the day I die"– HITLER , 1941

“Along with the fight for a purer morality we have taken upon ourselves the struggle against the decomposition of our religion. We have therefore taken up the struggle against the Godless movement, and not just with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out. And above all we have dragged the priests out of the lowlands of the political party struggle and have brought them back into the church." -Adolf Hitler, In celebration of Germany’s exit from the League of Nations, maintains that the Third Reich actively implements the Christian agenda , 1945[/b]

"I often feel that we will have to undergo all the trials the devil and hell can devise before we achieve Final Victory....I may be no pious churchgoer, but deep within me I am nevertheless a devout man. That is to say, I believe that he who fights valiantly obeying the laws which a god has established and who never capitulates but instead gathers his
forces time after time and always pushes forward—such a man will not be abandoned by the Lawgiver. Rather he will ultimately receive the blessing of Providence. And that blessing has been imparted to all great spirits in history." - Adolf Hitler, as quoted from Albert Speer's Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs (1982)

“Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism the destroyer. Nevertheless, the Galilean, who later was called Christ, intended something quite different. He must be regarded as a popular leader who too up His position against Jewry. Galilee was a colony where the Romans had probably installed Gallic legionaries, and it's certain that Jesus was not a Jew. The Jews, by the way, regarded Him as the son of a LovePeddler-- of a LovePeddler and a Roman soldier ... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work with subtlety and for purposes of personal exploitation. For the Galiean's object was to liberate His country from Jewish oppression. He set Himself against Jewish capitalism, and that's why the Jews liquidated Him.” – Adolf Hitler ,
Table-Talk (page 76)

“ Christ was an Aryan, and St. Paul used his doctrine to mobilize the criminal underworld and thus organize
a proto-Bolshevism.” – Adolf Hitler Table-Talk (page 143)

"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people" – Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.” – Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” – Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

I'm very happy people can see this.

1. The first quote is not true and has been refuted by reputable secular historians. It was added by desperate individuals.

2. You purposely changed the date of the second quote to 1945, when it was actually made in 1933. The statement was made in celebration of germany's exit from the league of nations in 1933. The picture below is additional proof.


3. The remaining quotes have no dates, you still have enough time to cook up dates for them.

AmenRa1:
Winner01 u christian lies won't work with me!!

Ok, I don hear. Quickly cook up fake dates for the rest of the quotes like you did to the second quote.

winner01:
Ok, I don hear. Quickly cook up fake dates for the rest of the quotes like you did to the second quote.

Me cook up date? U are very stupid!! After he finished killing the Jews as a Christian he then converted to what??

winner01:

You care, thats why you want people to disbelieve in God with you.

Again, how do you intend to reduce religious power and influence without infringing on the rights of people.

You conveniently ignored me saying 'that's how it should be'
Apart from that, I could care less about whether you stay or remain a Christian. If YOU are seeing me exposing illogical passages as an attempt to deconvert you, then you should review things with yourself. Lol.
Religion has too much influence.
First of all, completely separate religion from state.
Stop religious propaganda. Separate religion completely from politics!
Stop giving special graces to people on the basis that they're religious. Operate strictly secular laws. See how much we lost giving people reduced exchange rates for their pilgrimage.
Local laws should include requiring religious people to obtain noise permits: same as the type that SHOULd be required for any party or social gathering.
There's so much to do. . . to reduce religious influence. Let whatever you serve be for you only.
Religion is the ONLY untaxed business.

winner01:
I'm very happy people can see this.

1. The first quote is not true and has been refuted by reputable secular historians. It was added by desperate individuals.

Prove this with reputable links, thanks

AnonyNymous:

You conveniently ignored me saying 'that's how it should be'
Apart from that, I could care less about whether you stay or remain a Christian. If YOU are seeing me exposing illogical passages as an attempt to deconvert you, then you should review things with yourself. Lol.

Winner01 ,

Atheistic Logic : I dont understand this particular bible verse therefore it is illogical

Good Lord !!!

These atheists have been brainwashed to the point of no return . Just like the other day he thought God gave birth to Jesus and called God Jesus' dad .

Make these atheists go sidon jare ...

AnonyNymous:

You've presented a really good case here. Tell your friend winner how to debate. Its not about saying derogatory words to your opponent in order to attempt to intimidate them.

Arguing with atheists can very exasperating especially when you guys choose to be disingenuous .

However, I would like to point out one thing. Atheism and Anti-theism are two distinct philosophies. . . the former is unbelief, and the second is a counter belief. There are many overlapping principles, common to both, but there are differences. The quote 'abolish religion and impose atheism' - it crosses the thin line from atheism to anti-theism. Communism as an ideology is can only be successful in an atheistic community. However, forcefully imposing communism will lead to anti-theistic actions. If you recall, in my first reply, I said this Marxist idea was ideal, but not practically applicable.

Lol . Let me explain it to you

Rabid theism = Fanaticism or extremism

Rabid atheism = anti-theism

Religious extremists or rabid theists are the ones who are malevolent towards you because you don't agree or share the same beliefsor religious ideologies with them. Rabid atheists are the ones who are malevolent towards you because you believe in a God, are religious or don't agree with their atheist ideologies .

Religious extremism or rabid theism does not tolerate having a different religious ideology or none at all . Rabid atheism or anti-theism like the communists practice does not tolerate having a religious ideology also intolerant to religious practices .

This is simple bro . You atheists blame religion for adversities but cry foul when atheism is blamed ? Religious ideologies can induce extremism ,atheistic ideologies can induce rabid atheism or anti-theism .

As for their morality, I could say that most atheists depend on secular rules, devoid of any religious influence. Such as the human rights by the United Nations. Morality being subjective doesn't mean that you can do whatever you like. Morality in our case is determined by what is best for all of humanity. I think I've made a post about this before. When crabs are climbing out of a bucket, each one drags the other back down and none of them escape. Our intelligence has made us understand that working together will help all of us escape from the bucket. Therefore our morality is based on whatever is best for mankind. Giving everyone an equal chance to contribute. That's what we mean by subjective. 'What is best for mankind' can change over time, depending on our understanding of things. Killing of another human being violates that. If your argument is that 'they believe in religion and religion has hindered development' then you also need to remember that religious ideas are intangible. Religious people are not the hindrance, its the ideas which they believe in that make them religious and those ideas can change at any time. If a cup is full of acid, the solution isn't to break the cup, but pour away the acid and replace it with whatever's better.

Subjective morality is morality based on personal perspective, feelings, beliefs and desires. And those communist atheist leaders killed because from their personal perspective , feelings , beliefs and desires to annihilate religion or the supposed encumbrance which is the defiant religious people was right . I mean you even said that subjective morality wants the best for mankind and atheist leaders saw the best way forward from their perspective was the extermination of religious people and their practices . Such wickedness ! Such evil !Tufiakwa !

So yes yes yes atheism is to be blamed for the death of over 250 million people . My God !

KingEbukasBlog:


Winner01 ,

Atheistic Logic : I dont understand this particular bible verse therefore it is illogical

Good Lord !!!

These atheists have been brainwashed to the point of no return . Just like the other day he thought God gave birth to Jesus and called God Jesus' dad .

Make these atheists go sidon jare ...

Lmao

winner01:
[size=15pt]If boko haram continues to kill for the next 20 years at theist rate, they still wont meet the record of madness frim just one atheist. Mao ze dong.[/size]

Where did Moa kill people in the name of atheism like say Moses, Ezekiel, Joshua and all the genocidal idiots in your bible who killed people ONLY because Yahweh told them to according to the bible?

winner01:
Lmao

On which issue is the bible clear? You have not even convinced your selves on the true nature if Jesus i.e if he is God or God and his son at the same time. If the bible is clear then why is christianity in such a great state of confusion with different sects and denominatons all at each other's neck claiming the true interpretation of what the bible days?

Ranchhoddas:
Ogbeni. You are not getting off easily. Hitler believed Christianity to be a mockery of the Godhead. If you cannot show that Hitler was atheist, then you have to tender an apology to all the atheists on this forum for your unending lies.

Interesting

dalaman:

Where did Moa kill people in the name of atheism like say Moses, Ezekiel, Joshua and all the genocidal idiots in your bible who killed people ONLY because Yahweh told them to according to the bible?

Those people delivered Israel from their captors or oppressors they were judges - rulers who saw them through war

dalaman:


On which issue is the bible clear? You have not even convinced your selves on the true nature if Jesus i.e if he is God or God and his son at the same time. If the bible is clear then why is christianity in such a great state of confusion with different sects and denominatons all at each other's neck claiming the true interpretation of what the bible days?

1Corinthians 1 : 10
I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree together, so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be united in mind and conviction.

Matthew 7: 15
15Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 1

hopefulLandlord:


Interesting

On the Nazi army belt is the inscription GOTT MITT UNS meaning God with us. An atheist probably would have got rid of it. Hitler's soldiers always swore an oath of fealty in the name of God. An athiest would not have allowed this. Winner01 has a way of forgetting to include these parts in his numerous threads.

dalaman:

Where did Moa kill people in the name of atheism like say Moses, Ezekiel, Joshua and all the genocidal idiots in your bible who killed people ONLY because Yahweh told them to according to the bible?

Dont cry!!!

"We will substitute materialism for [philosophical] idealism and atheism for theism."- Mao Zedong, Examples Of Dialectics, 1959


Do you want 10 more?

KingEbukasBlog:


1Corinthians 1 : 10
I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree together, so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be united in mind and conviction.

Matthew 7: 15
15Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 1

That's what christians all accuse each other of. Even your pastor is a false prophet according to other christians. There is no universal christian doctrine that is acceptable by all. Throwing empty bible passages doesn't help here.

dalaman:


That's what christians all accuse each other of. Even your pastor is a false prophet according to other christians. There is no universal christian doctrine that is acceptable by all. Throwing empty bible passages doesn't help here.

Don't blame me if you can't understand that those bible verses refute your claims .

dalaman:


That's what christians all accuse each other of. Even your pastor is a false prophet according to other christians. There is no universal christian doctrine that is acceptable by all. Throwing empty bible passages doesn't help here.

Hahahahahahahahaha, so true brother, so true

KingEbukasBlog:


Those people delivered Israel from their captors or oppressors they were judges - rulers who saw them through war

Shut up. Just the way ISIS and BH are also judges right? Delivered them from captors or land grabbers and theives? If we are to go by your pathetic reasoning we can as well conclude that Moa was also a judge who also wanted to keep people in line who saw his people through a difficult time. In fact he is still honoured and revered in China till tomorrow. It's funny and pathetic that you accuse others of genocide and then use this elusive God idea of yours who you claim is the epitome of all morality to justify genocide. Pathetic.

KingEbukasBlog:


Don't blame me if you can't understand that those bible verses refute your claims .

We don't blame you for your not understanding Dalaman's claim

KingEbukasBlog:


Don't blame me if you can't understand that those bible verses refute your claims .

Refutes which claims? Are all christians united? Do christians agree? Is your pastor not a false prophet according to another chiristain? Where is the standard Christains doctrine or church?

winner01:
Dont cry!!!

"We will substitute materialism for [philosophical] idealism and atheism for theism."- Mao Zedong, Examples Of Dialectics, 1959


Do you want 10 more?

I just want one where he said he killed all the people because he wanted them to be atheist.

hopefulLandlord:


We don't blame you for your not understanding Dalaman's claim

You've never made sense when you try to use someone's post against him .

Try harder , one day you'll be a quarter like me .