Since Jesus was God, and Mary gave birth to Jesus, doesn't that make Mary the mother of God?

OLAADEGBU:
Since Jesus was God, and Mary gave birth to Jesus, doesn't that make Mary the mother of God?

so tell us the father of God!!!!!

jcross19:


so tell us the father of God!!!!!

Nooooo....she is Lucifer, the light bearer...since jesus is the light (Gospel of john chapter

jcross19:


so tell us the father of God!!!!!

This is an interesting proposition.

How can God who created the world, who's omnipotent and omnipresent need anyone to come into the world?? Except if..

OLAADEGBU:
Since Jesus was God, and Mary gave birth to Jesus, doesn't that make Mary the mother of God?

Jesus is the Word of God or Spirit/Son of God. Like saying my spirit is me. John 1:1, John 16:28, John 8:42.

Mary is an ordinary human being God used to bring Jesus to the world in a human form.
God is a God of Justice, the true Judge.
It was done this way so that Jesus death on the cross can be justified. And Satan the accuser will have nothing to say against God.

OLAADEGBU:


Since Jesus was God, and Mary gave birth to Jesus, doesn't that make Mary the mother of God?

Suggested answer here:

https://gotquestions.org/Mary-mother-God-theotokos.html

OLAADEGBU:


Suggested answer here:

https://gotquestions.org/Mary-mother-God-theotokos.html

Question: "Is Mary the mother of God (Theotokos)?"

Answer: The phrase "mother of God" originated with and continues to be used in the Roman Catholic Church. One of the topics at the Council of Ephesus in AD 431 was the use of the Greek term Theotókos, or "God-bearer," in reference to Mary. That council officially proclaimed Mary as the "mother of God," and the doctrine was later included in the Catholic catechism. The idea behind calling Mary the "mother of God" is that, since Jesus is God and Mary is the mother of Jesus, she is the mother of God.

The major problem with this logic is that the term "God" implies the totality of Yahweh, and we know that Yahweh has no beginning and no end (Psalm 90:2). First Timothy 6:15-16 says that God is immortal. Being immortal, God never was "born" and never had a "mother." The second Person of the Trinity, Jesus, did have a beginning to His earthly ministry when he was conceived in Mary's womb and was born, but from eternity past He had always been the Son of God.

Philippians 2:6–7 gives us a bit more insight on what transpired when Jesus left heaven to become man. The New Living Translation says, "Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being." Jesus was already one with the Father, but He set aside His rights as Divinity and took the form of a baby (John 1:1). He went on to live the normal life of a Jewish boy, obeying His earthly parents (Luke 2:51).

A mother by definition precedes her child and at some point is more powerful than her child. So to call Mary the "mother of God" gives the misleading implication that Mary preceded and at one time was more powerful than the Lord God Almighty. Although Catholic doctrine tries to deny this implication, it is inescapable.

It is biblical to say that Mary was the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ during His incarnation on the earth. However, Catholics believe it is not enough to say that Mary was the mother of Jesus. Pope John Paul II, in a speech in 1996, encouraged people "not only to invoke the Blessed Virgin as the Mother of Jesus, but also to recognise her as Mother of God" (L'Osservatore Romano, 4 December 1996, p. 11). This is not biblical. The Lord God Almighty has no mother, since He has no beginning and no end (Genesis 1:1; Revelation 4:8.).

So are you saying the that the incarnated Jesus was not God, that he was just man?

easymancfc:
So are you saying the that the incarnated Jesus was not God, that he was just man?

That is a form of nestorianism.

OLAADEGBU:
Since Jesus was God, and Mary gave birth to Jesus, doesn't that make Mary the mother of God?

IT DOES

jcross19:
so tell us the father of God!!!!!

GOD only had a foster father, his name is joseph from d line of david.

Ola... In the Bible Mary is addressed as the Mother of the Lord in Luke 1: 43 Why should this great thing happen to me, that my Lord's mother comes to visit me?..

Because he has to come in flesh and blood, experience what we do nd lay an example that we might follow. If Jesus as come as a supernatural being that he is, am sure people will say he was perfect because he wasn't human so he had to come the human way and form so to teach us that we can also walk in holiness and righteousness even if we are in this world.

Ramon92:
How can God who created the world, who's omnipotent and omnipresent need anyone to come into the world?? Except if..

According to the Bible especially other book of John: Jesus is God, according to Philippians 2 which is quoted in the article Jesus left his glory and emptied himself, he cannot empty his nature, which is God, but he left the glory in heaven that doesn't mean he left his divinity. Look at it this way, a rich guy pretends to be poor so that he can win a girl he loves over, does it mean that because he left his riches and is wearing rags, he is no longer the rich person that he was?

Bible verses
John 10:30 The Father and I are one.”
If he and the father are one then... He is God also and the jews understood that because they wanted to kill him for that as seen in
John 10:33 They answered, “We do not want to stone you because of any good deeds, but because of your blasphemy! You are only a man, but you are trying to make yourself God!”


John 5:18 This saying made the Jewish authorities all the more determined to kill him; not only had he broken the Sabbath law, but he had said that God was his own Father and in this way had made himself equal with God.
Because he is the Lord of the Sabbath (mat 12:

John 8:58 “I am telling you the truth,” Jesus replied. “Before Abraham was born, ‘I Am’.”
Where Jesus uses the Divine Name of Exodus 3:14 for himself. For which they wanted to stone him again (John 8:48)

I missed the simplest one of John 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Look at it this way, your mother? Is she just the Mother of your body, or your body and soul? She is the Mother of the Person period, even if the person is a body and soul... Same goes for the otokos

God or no God. just be good.

According to the Bible especially the book of John: Jesus is God, according to Philippians 2 which is quoted in the article Jesus left his glory and emptied himself, he cannot empty his nature, which is God, but he left the glory in heaven that doesn't mean he left his divinity. Look at it this way, a rich guy pretends to be poor so that he can win a girl he loves over, does it mean that because he left his riches and is wearing rags, he is no longer the rich person that he was?

Bible verses
John 10:30 The Father and I are one.”
If he and the father are one then... He is God also and the jews understood that because they wanted to kill him for that as seen in
John 10:33 They answered, “We do not want to stone you because of any good deeds, but because of your blasphemy! You are only a man, but you are trying to make yourself God!”


John 5:18 This saying made the Jewish authorities all the more determined to kill him; not only had he broken the Sabbath law, but he had said that God was his own Father and in this way had made himself equal with God.
Because he is the Lord of the Sabbath (mat 12:8 )

John 8:58 “I am telling you the truth,” Jesus replied. “Before Abraham was born, ‘I Am’.”
Where Jesus uses the Divine Name of Exodus 3:14 for himself. For which they wanted to stone him again (John 8:48)

I missed the simplest one of John 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Look at it this way, your mother? Is she just the Mother of your body, or your body and soul? She is the Mother of the Person period, even if the person is a body and soul... Same goes for theotokos, we are not saying she has to predate Christ or has to be divine herself, But we are simply saying that Jesus is God and he has a mother. No other claim to her divinity is made, just like we don't separate your body from your soul when talking about your maternity
I forgot about Isaiah
Isaiah 9:6 A child is born to us!
A son is given to us!
And he will be our ruler.
He will be called, “Wonderful Counselor,”
“Mighty God,” “Eternal Father,”
“Prince of Peace.”
JESUS is called all the above names by Isaiah

Isaiah 7:14 Well then, the Lord himself will give you a sign: a young woman who is pregnant will have a son and will name him ‘Immanuel.’
What does Immanuel mean? Mat 1:23 tells us
Mathew 1:23 “A virgin will become pregnant and have a son, and he will be called Immanuel” (which means, “God is with us”).

So Jesus is "God with us". he is Man separately and God separately. HE IS BOTH GOD AND MAN AT THE Same time

I forgot about Isaiah
Isaiah 9:6 A child is born to us!
A son is given to us!
And he will be our ruler.
He will be called, “Wonderful Counselor,”
“Mighty God,” “Eternal Father,”
“Prince of Peace.”
JESUS is called all the above names by Isaiah

Isaiah 7:14 Well then, the Lord himself will give you a sign: a young woman who is pregnant will have a son and will name him ‘Immanuel.’
What does Immanuel mean? Mat 1:23 tells us
Mathew 1:23 “A virgin will become pregnant and have a son, and he will be called Immanuel” (which means, “God is with us”).

So Jesus is God, he is Man separately and God separately. HE IS BOTH GOD AND MAN AT THE Same time

easymancfc:


So are you saying the that the incarnated Jesus was not God, that he was just man?

What am saying is that Jesus being God from eternity arrived on earth as a man. The Son of God became the Son of man so as to make man become the sons of God.

Of course and I agree with that but did the Son of God stop being the Son of God when he became man? That's still the question

easymancfc:


Of course and I agree with that but did the Son of God stop being the Son of God when he became man? That's still the question

"I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" (John 17:4-5).

No, He did not stop being the Son of God but He did not come with His glory as God. He laid aside His glory for a time so that He can finish God's work with His creation.

Exactly, and I covered that in my first reply, Jesus is God by nature, Not just because of his Glory, yes he left his Glory, He didn't leave his nature.

And again He is not just the Son of God, He is God

OLAADEGBU:


"I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" (John 17:4-5).

No, He did not stop being the Son of God but He did not come with His glory as God. He laid aside His glory for a time so that He can finish God's work with His creation.

Does "laying aside his glory" make him less God? In other words, if I had worshiped him at that time, would I have committed idolatry?

MrPRevailer:


Jesus is the Word of God or Spirit/Son of God. Like saying my spirit is me. John 1:1, John 16:28, John 8:42.

Mary is an ordinary human being God used to bring Jesus to the world in a human form.
God is a God of Justice, the true Judge.
It was done this way so that Jesus death on the cross can be justified. And Satan the accuser will have nothing to say against God.

I somehow missed your post. Good job!

Ubenedictus:


IT DOES

Then you believe that Mary, at some point was greater than God, no?

Ubenedictus:


GOD only had a foster father, his name is joseph from d line of david.

Was Joseph his foster father from eternity? or are you just saying God was born when Jesus was began His earthly ministry?

easymancfc:


Ola... In the Bible Mary is addressed as the Mother of the Lord in Luke 1: 43 Why should this great thing happen to me, that my Lord's mother comes to visit me?..

Does that mean that Mary was the mother of the Lord since eternity, if not, who was the mother of the Lord before He began His earthly sojourn?

barongmj:


Because he has to come in flesh and blood, experience what we do nd lay an example that we might follow. If Jesus as come as a supernatural being that he is, am sure people will say he was perfect because he wasn't human so he had to come the human way and form so to teach us that we can also walk in holiness and righteousness even if we are in this world.

Good point.

easymancfc:


According to the Bible especially other book of John: Jesus is God, according to Philippians 2 which is quoted in the article Jesus left his glory and emptied himself, he cannot empty his nature, which is God, but he left the glory in heaven that doesn't mean he left his divinity. Look at it this way, a rich guy pretends to be poor so that he can win a girl he loves over, does it mean that because he left his riches and is wearing rags, he is no longer the rich person that he was?

Bible verses
John 10:30 The Father and I are one.”
If he and the father are one then... He is God also and the jews understood that because they wanted to kill him for that as seen in
John 10:33 They answered, “We do not want to stone you because of any good deeds, but because of your blasphemy! You are only a man, but you are trying to make yourself God!”


John 5:18 This saying made the Jewish authorities all the more determined to kill him; not only had he broken the Sabbath law, but he had said that God was his own Father and in this way had made himself equal with God.
Because he is the Lord of the Sabbath (mat 12:

John 8:58 “I am telling you the truth,” Jesus replied. “Before Abraham was born, ‘I Am’.”
Where Jesus uses the Divine Name of Exodus 3:14 for himself. For which they wanted to stone him again (John 8:48)

I missed the simplest one of John 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Look at it this way, your mother? Is she just the Mother of your body, or your body and soul? She is the Mother of the Person period, even if the person is a body and soul... Same goes for the otokos

If you say that Mary is the mother of the spirit, soul and body of our Lord Jesus Christ are you saying that Mary was the mother of the Spirit of Jesus even before He was incarnated?

easymancfc:


According to the Bible especially the book of John: Jesus is God, according to Philippians 2 which is quoted in the article Jesus left his glory and emptied himself, he cannot empty his nature, which is God, but he left the glory in heaven that doesn't mean he left his divinity. Look at it this way, a rich guy pretends to be poor so that he can win a girl he loves over, does it mean that because he left his riches and is wearing rags, he is no longer the rich person that he was?

Bible verses
John 10:30 The Father and I are one.”
If he and the father are one then... He is God also and the jews understood that because they wanted to kill him for that as seen in
John 10:33 They answered, “We do not want to stone you because of any good deeds, but because of your blasphemy! You are only a man, but you are trying to make yourself God!”


John 5:18 This saying made the Jewish authorities all the more determined to kill him; not only had he broken the Sabbath law, but he had said that God was his own Father and in this way had made himself equal with God.
Because he is the Lord of the Sabbath (mat 12:8 )

John 8:58 “I am telling you the truth,” Jesus replied. “Before Abraham was born, ‘I Am’.”
Where Jesus uses the Divine Name of Exodus 3:14 for himself. For which they wanted to stone him again (John 8:48)

I missed the simplest one of John 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Look at it this way, your mother? Is she just the Mother of your body, or your body and soul? She is the Mother of the Person period, even if the person is a body and soul... Same goes for theotokos, we are not saying she has to predate Christ or has to be divine herself, But we are simply saying that Jesus is God and he has a mother. No other claim to her divinity is made, just like we don't separate your body from your soul when talking about your maternity
I forgot about Isaiah
Isaiah 9:6 A child is born to us!
A son is given to us!
And he will be our ruler.
He will be called, “Wonderful Counselor,”
“Mighty God,” “Eternal Father,”
“Prince of Peace.”
JESUS is called all the above names by Isaiah

Isaiah 7:14 Well then, the Lord himself will give you a sign: a young woman who is pregnant will have a son and will name him ‘Immanuel.’
What does Immanuel mean? Mat 1:23 tells us
Mathew 1:23 “A virgin will become pregnant and have a son, and he will be called Immanuel” (which means, “God is with us”).

So Jesus is "God with us". he is Man separately and God separately. HE IS BOTH GOD AND MAN AT THE Same time

Where was Mary when Jesus was in heaven sitting on the right hand of God?

easymancfc:


I forgot about Isaiah
Isaiah 9:6 A child is born to us!
A son is given to us!
And he will be our ruler.
He will be called, “Wonderful Counselor,”
“Mighty God,” “Eternal Father,”
“Prince of Peace.”
JESUS is called all the above names by Isaiah

Isaiah 7:14 Well then, the Lord himself will give you a sign: a young woman who is pregnant will have a son and will name him ‘Immanuel.’
What does Immanuel mean? Mat 1:23 tells us
Mathew 1:23 “A virgin will become pregnant and have a son, and he will be called Immanuel” (which means, “God is with us”).

So Jesus is God, he is Man separately and God separately. HE IS BOTH GOD AND MAN AT THE Same time

When Isaiah gave that prophecy, where was Mary?