Ngozi123:


We admit that we migrated from the Benin Empire and were once ruled by it but we have always been proud Igbos, which is what that poster was trying to deny.

vicenzo:
Nothing interesting about those heap of gabbage.
Just figments of the writer's imagination with no credible sources to back it up.
Nri history are well documented. For someone to even suggest that Nri is of Igala origin is the highest height of ignorance.

laudate:


What an interesting perspective!

laudate:


Vincenzo a.k.a pazienza a.k.a Igboid, kindly get off my mentions. Allow only those with a sane, balanced perspective to respond. Thank you!

PabloAfricanus:
Sorry but do you ever have an opinion of your own?
I appreciate your wanting to contribute but do so intelligently.
I could be completely wrong in all the points I raised and I am very aware of that.
But I notice you are either cheer leading or side quoting and never for ONCE contributing any original thought, opinion, narrative or perspective to any Igbo themed thread.
Can we hear your own narrative? We are all here to learn you know.

PabloAfricanus:


Sorry but do you ever have an opinion of your own?
I appreciate your wanting to contribute but do so intelligently.
I could be completely wrong in all the points I raised and I am very aware of that.
But I notice you are either cheer leading or side quoting and never for ONCE contributing any original thought, opinion, narrative or perspective to any Igbo themed thread.
Can we hear your own narrative? We are all here to learn you know.

vicenzo:
[s]Lol, is that the only aka you know? You probably see Pazienza in every Igbo that torments your slimy arse.

Stay off Igbo/ Igboid related topics, and vicenzo wouldn't have to quote you.
Keep dragging your slimy self into all Igbo related threads like a vulture to a carcass, and be sure to get tormented as usual.[/s]

laudate:


If you read through this thread from the beginning, you would see the areas where I have made my contributions.

vicenzo:
[s]Don't waste your time on him.
Dude is suffering from a serious rabid case of Igbophobia.

He is always on every Igbo related thread, offering Igbophobic opinions and supporting those with opinions he deems anti Igbo.
Leave him for me, I know how to handle him. He is a regular customer of mine.[/s]

vicenzo:
[s]What contributions exactly? Who demanded for your opinion here?
You are neither Igbo nor Anioma. So, what's your business here?[/s]

vicenzo:
[s]So says the bitter being that spend all his online time on Igbo and Igbo related matter. A person from an insignificant useless ethnic group, so insignificant that he is ashamed of identifying with her, even on internet[/s].

vicenzo:
[s]Dude, even fools might be mistaken for wise ones, if they keep silent.
If only you can spare this forum of your folly by keeping silent, it will be a better place[/s].

laudate:

vicenzo:
[s]Dude. There is nothing good about a slimy, Igbophobic fellow like you, who crawls around the internet looking for Igbo related topics to spread his Igbophobia[/s].

vicenzo:
[s]Says, the lost soul that sleeps on Igbo matter 24-7, arguing irrationally on things he knows next to nothing about.
And when his folly becomes too glaring, resorts to posting denatured Igbophobic arguments made by equally ignorant fellows like him that had already been debunked.
You are a boring person, how exactly can you live with yourself?[/s]

vicenzo:
[s]No one needs to insult you. Your mere existence is an insult to nature and rationality.
How else do we explain the obsession of a non Igbo with every Igbo related topic, especially when we consider the fact that this obsession is hate driven?
Guy, you are due for a serious mental examination.

You won't die, if you stay off Igbo matters[/s].

vicenzo:
[s] Then why are you on every Igbo related thread on Nairaland, when you know you are full of Sh.it and can't deal with your shit when thrown back at you?[/s]

vicenzo:
[s]Not really. I pity your poor hateful soul.
I mean, it must suck coming from an insignificant ethnic group you can't even be proud of in a faceless forum like this. And having to live off Igbophobia by gate crashing on every Igbo related thread or post.

I pity you. It must be a miserable situation for you.I understand why the Igbo are the main target of your hate.[/s]

vicenzo:
[s]Hate comments? So says the Igbo hating one,that roams NL looking to make hateful or spiteful comments against Igbo.
You represent hate[/s].

PabloAfricanus:


Sorry but do you ever have an opinion of your own?
I appreciate your wanting to contribute but do so intelligently.
I could be completely wrong in all the points I raised and I am very aware of that.
But I notice you are either cheer leading or side quoting and never for ONCE contributing any original thought, opinion, narrative or perspective to any Igbo themed thread.
Can we hear your own narrative? We are all here to learn you know.

Ngozi123:


We admit that we migrated from the Benin Empire and were once ruled by it but we have always been proud Igbos, which is what that poster was trying to deny.

PabloAfricanus:


I do not think it is that easy for Bini "princes" to come out running from Bini speaking Igbo and bearing Igbo names.
No my dear, it is highly implausible
Why did they have to cross the Niger? Why not go further south or further West?
Are you aware that they even journeyed farther into the Igbo hinterlands of Oguta?
Going by all the published works of Onicha/Anioma origins, these fugitives should NOT be Igbo speaking, but speaking at worst
a corrupted Edo tongue and practicing at worst hybrized forms of Edo traditions.
You and I know this is NOT the case.
What you have is a case of a group of migrants who were Igbo speaking from day one.
And what you have in their midst is clear evidences of an Igbo speaking people who were socio-culturally and politically influenced by Bini.

And yes, the superiority thing is actually a form of inferiority complex.
No one invaded them or forced them to differentiate themselves from the "inferior" ndi Igbos.
They are the ones doing the attaching and detaching, as by all accounts, the people they call "onye Igbo" never copied them or their Bini style monarchies or Bini style political hierarchies.
You wont see any vestige of their much acclaimed Bini language, culture or what not among the hinterland Igbos.
So there is no chance of corruption of their core "Edo" language or culture by the hinterland Igbos.
It was the Bini fugitives who copied, adopted and appropriated everything Igbo. Is that not the reality?

It is so glaring that the Bini titles were borrowed when you consider the titles or "afa etutu" of Onicha titled men.
Iyase, Odua,Onowu, Owelle title holders etc all have Igbo proper prefixes like Nnanyelugo, Akunne etc.
Monarchy in Igbo land is a British phenomenon like you know and had the British not intervened, its more than likely the Igbo clans
would have continued in their decentralized system that has been working for them.
Infact it is on record that the early warrant chiefs created by the British who transitioned into "kings" paid Onicha chiefs to tutor them on kingship rituals and ceremony.
Prior to then, the cultural dominance was Igbo through and through...and it was not forced or taught. It was native.
Bini influences and exposure to Bini style monarchies marked the difference btw the Igbo speaking peoples across the Niger along with their Onicha, Ogbaru and Oguta cousins...and the hinterland Igbos.

In summary, I think all available evidence point to the fact the people who fled Bini (methinks its actually Bini environs) and moved from Agbor all the way down to Oguta were native Igbo people. Not Edo and have never been Edo till date.
The names they still bear, their market days, deities, cultural practices...all point to this fact.

Ofcourse, I would love to see contrary evidence. I have been scouting for it.

cheruv:
That poster you quoted is the worst kinda person who'd meet...all he does in NL is go about looking for the next Igbo thread he'd jump into. And like you noticed he doesn't contribute anything except what I'd call intellectual hypocrisy of the lowest kind...just in case he tries to beguile you with sprinklings of Igbo phrases here and there know he's not Igbo.
Just thought I could give you a headsup

laudate:


Nah... the 'intellectual hypocrisy' oozes from your veins. You make too many assertions without providing links or references to back them up, so that people can go and verify! Yet you expect folks to swallow your unfounded claims hook, line & sinker. Then you turn around and get upset when people question your baseless tales. We all know your modus operandi.

I know you just cannot resist talking & gossiping about me. You have added gossip mongering to your latest bouquet of talents. It is your way of seeking attention. Now, run along - you have been noticed. Are you happy, now?

As for your latest lie that "he tries to beguile you with sprinklings of Igbo phrases here and there know he's not Igbo". In what way, have I ever tried to beguile anyone? Have I ever tried to pose as an Igbo person? Never! If you feel that way, please point out in chapter & verse where I have attempted to do so. Include the url links, if you dare. We are waiting!

cheruv:
I thought we'd an unwritten agreement not to quote each other.. We can make references to each other but not a direct quote...moreover vicenzo leveled exactly the same accusations against you so I now wonder btwn us who's lying
Anyway don't quote me anymore...As for my "outrageous" claims,isn't it left for ehikwe and cire80 whom I made the claims to to debunk them Or are you trying as usual to be more Catholic than the Pope

Cire80:
Even Osita Mordi has his own version of the story surrounding Ezechime. Though I don't believe on his own version, but it shows that the name has a history surrounding it which is probably lost or distorted. What I know is that Ezechime is not his birth name. Some say birth name name was Ikhime which might not be far from the truth. But what we know is that Ezechime is from Bini. Me personally, my Agbor doesn't any connection with Ezechime except though some try to connect him to Agbor. Since Osita Mordi and Iduwe is the person you guys like their work, I will search their version of the history surrounding Ezechime and paste it here and you'll see it doesn't agree with what you guys think.