alBHAGDADI:
I've noticed something about you. Every religious post you make is always getting one Like, just like this one that has no comment. It seems you have an alternate Monika that does the liking for you.

keep exposing urself
Time shall tell.

aminusanti:
keep exposing urself
Time shall tell.

They scared of going through the threads. I dont have their time yet.

babseg:




Thanks for pointing this out. Now I know why they always read the bible. ..so they can engage the Christians in an argument thereby preventing them in reading the Qur'an

I believe they read the Bible more than they read their own quaran. They are more concerned with proving Christianity wrong than defending their own faith. It's a sorry state.

analice107:

The Difference is that, You belong to a Family called Christianity, they belong to a religion called Islam.

If i need answers, all i need do is keep still, be quiet and relaxed in my spirit and i will hear him speak. He will start by quoting me a Scripture and expound on it until the issue becomes clear.

I remember, when i dabbled into Eastern Philosophy, i found their meditation fascinating. At that time, i didn't know there was godly meditation, so i thought Christianity shallow. I wanted to also be able to meditate so i asked My Father to teach me how to meditate. I forgot everything about it, but now, i just realised that i can get great depth and insight into scriptures just by being quiet and still in my spirit.

Whatever i need to know, I ask my Heavenly Father. The Muslims do not have what we have, they depend on their Imams to tell them all things.

Thank you My Father.

It's a sorry state my brother. But I thought there were knowledgeable Muslims on nairaland? Guess I have to take my questions else were. And oh, i just started meditating too

aminusanti:

Just look at this almighty hypocrite!
Run away from/to? Fyi my time 6hrs ahead of ur time, I was sleeping when u are busy posting dis trash.
Bcus of ur hypocritic n lying attitude no one would want to spend his/her precious time to explain anything that u are involved in it
U are busy making noise here n there more than the questioner without contributing anything but insulting and accusing pple blindly, what kind of life is dis pls? Are u frustrated at home or u not happy with d life u are in?
Empiree provide u pple with a link that answered all ur nonsense questions but u guys don't want to go tru it simply bcus u are all allergic to truth. ¤Group of hypocrites¡

Erm.. Sorry. But why the aggression? I asked two simple questions. And please if you can answer it, I will be glad. Empire sent us to a 25 page comment which I honestly can go through cuz I am sure 90 percent of it won't even contain the answers I need. So if u can help answer this question, I will be totally greatful to you.

aminusanti:

Just look at this almighty hypocrite!
Run away from/to? Fyi my time 6hrs ahead of ur time, I was sleeping when u are busy posting dis trash.

Still shouldn't have prevented you from typing an answer to the questions raised. At least, you managed to type three dots in a space which would have been enough.

Bcus of ur hypocritic n lying attitude no one would want to spend his/her precious time to explain anything that u are involved in it

Yoy mean you can't spend time to answer questions that "claim" to expose the falsehood of Islam? allah is ashamed right now. [/quote]

U are busy making noise here n there more than the questioner without contributing anything but insulting and accusing pple blindly, what kind of life is dis pls? Are u frustrated at home or u not happy with d life u are in?

the questions were not directed to me cos am not a Muslim. So, I wonder what contribution you expect of me other than mock you failed madrasah students and Al taquiya failures

Empiree provide u pple with a link that answered all ur nonsense questions but u guys don't want to go tru it simply bcus u are all allergic to truth. ¤Group of hypocrites¡

Do you expect us to go through hundreds of thread with over 40 comments each, looking for answers to just 2 questions, answer that you could've copied down to this thread if they truly existed?

The answers to those questions don't existed there, else you would have copied and pasted them here. Your idea is just to send us on a wild goose chase.
you guys are failures.

ilynem:

Jesus! Aren't you a blabber mouth? You had to check my profile to see when I registered? Seriously? Been on nairaland since 2014 but if you actually did your FBI job well you will realize that I hardly create threads. I don't even comment much. I don't visit "sections", I most times just view what is on front page. After reading that bit of the quoran, needed clarification and here you are talking like it's a war of religions. If you cannot answer the question, say it and stop trying to act smart when we all know u are being a complete mug and diverting from the topic entirely. As for the names you mentioned, i don't even know them. And if u start with me? Lol. I am not here to argue but learn. If you want to argue, shut up. If you want tk teach like your prophet would probably want u to, then speak up and stop diverting.

Dont mind the lousy dude. He had time to investigate your profile but had none to give in answering the questions that you raised. He should be ashamed of himself.

Pls you need to post more often on this section, cos I've never seen someone raise just 2 questions that destroyed the foundations of Islam.

alBHAGDADI:
Dont mind the lousy dude. He had time to investigate your profile but had none to give in answering the questions that you raised. He should be ashamed of himself.

Pls you need to post more often on this section, cos I've never seen someone raise just 2 questions that destroyed the foundations of Islam.

Lol. I will do my best to post more often. Thank you

Empiree:
They scared of going through the threads. I dont have their time yet.

Thats the best thing
U will end up wasting ur time bcus dat albagahdadi and annanuki2 are making pple dnt want to participate in any debate here on NL due to there behaviors nd they still faild to realize dat and it's really better to be ignoring them
Why waste ur time on something that they will ignorantly deny and add insult to it

aminusanti:

Thats the best thing
U will end up wasting ur time bcus dat albagahdadi and annanuki2 are making pple dnt want to participate in any debate here on NL due to there behaviors nd they still faild to realize dat and it's really better to be ignoring them
Why waste ur time on something that they will ignorantly deny and add insult to it

Is it possible to ignore them if they are offending you so much and answer my question? Or do you want to answer me privately? Do I send you my email? Anyhow you want to do it, tell me. Just give me an answer please.

aminusanti:

Thats the best thing
U will end up wasting ur time bcus dat albagahdadi and annanuki2 are making pple dnt want to participate in any debate here on NL due to there behaviors nd they still faild to realize dat and it's really better to be ignoring them
Why waste ur time on something that they will ignorantly deny and add insult to it

But they said you didn't answer the OP'S questions

aminusanti:

Thats the best thing
U will end up wasting ur time bcus dat albagahdadi and annanuki2 are making pple dnt want to participate in any debate here on NL due to there behaviors nd they still faild to realize dat and it's really better to be ignoring them
Why waste ur time on something that they will ignorantly deny and add insult to it

So am the one stopping you from defending allah? Allah must be weak for hiring weaklings like you to defend him. No wonder he hires shekau and Osama type killers.

Pls answer the questions or copy the answers from those threads of yours and paste them here. That shouldn't be difficult, should it?

ilynem:

Is it possible to ignore them if they are offending you so much and answer my question? Or do you want to answer me privately? Do I send you my email? Anyhow you want to do it, tell me. Just give me an answer please.

I have answered u already just go and read it pls

ilynem:

It's a sorry state my brother. But I thought there were knowledgeable Muslims on nairaland? Guess I have to take my questions else were. And oh, i just started meditating too

That's great. Very few Christians knows anything about Meditation. When people hear Meditation, they think Mysticism. Satan has Usurped every of Gods pattern, now almost everything is ascribed to him.

Today, the ignorant ascribe to him the Status of Omniscience, Calling him the 'All Seeing Eye'.
Satan is not Omniscient. He Cant's see everything at every time, that's why he has monitoring agents everywhere.

Satan doesn't know what is not revealed or reported to him by his agents. He can't see what is not before him, that's why he tries to possess as many people as possible who will act as his agents to monitor activities of the Christians and report to him.

Ignorant people give to satan the power he doesn't have. Him head dey big for nothing.

And, em, am not a brother, Am a sister. lol.

analice107:

That's great. Very few Christians knows anything about Meditation. When people hear Meditation, they think Mysticism. Satan has Usurped every of Gods pattern, now almost everything is ascribed to him.

Today, the ignorant ascribe to him the Status of Omniscience, Calling him the 'All Seeing Eye'.
Satan is not Omniscient. He Cant's see everything at every time, that's why he has monitoring agents everywhere.

Satan doesn't know what is not revealed or reported to him by his agents. He can't see what is not before him, that's why he tries to possess as many people as possible who will act as his agents to monitor activities of the Christians and report to him.

Ignorant people give to satan the power he doesn't have. Him head dey big for nothing.

And, em, am not a brother, Am a sister. lol.

I actually figured it out that you are a lady not a bloke from the way you write. So feminine

Would you like to share with us what meditation really is?

babseg:




Where's aminusa can't remember his moniker

aminusanti, WORDSWORTH, Friendschoice, lexiconkabir, Rilwayne, Kagarko, DeAvenger, your attention is needed in this thread. come and teach us biko.

analice107:

aminusanti, WORDSWORTH, Friendschoice, lexiconkabir, Rilwayne, Kagarko, DeAvenger, your attention is needed in this thread. come and teach us biko.

keep deceiving urself

ilynem:
Before I start, I want to say I am a Christian. And also I want to plead that this thread is not intended to spread vile or religious war between nairalanders as I just want a sincere and honest answer from our Muslim brothers and sisters.
I have the Quaran in my phone because I am a man who loves to search for the truth. So in Surah Chapter 4, it was stated that Jesus didn't die, instead it was made to look like he did and Allah took him. So Allah made it to look like he was killed but he wasn't really killed. Now looking at this, it is just a simple statement but the controversy lies with Jesus followers. Now Jesus followers went about spreading the news of His death and resurrection and I can only raise two conclusions from this.
1. Jesus followers knew he didn't die and decided to lie to that world that he did.
2. Jesus followers also believed he died and resurrected which means Allah also made them believe he died on the cross.
Now, number one is unlikely, because these followers were tortured and killed for their beliefs and not one of them decided to change his story. I wouldn't die for a lie and what did they stand to gain by lying? Liars make bad martyrs.
So this leaves us with option 2 which means Allah also made them believe Jesus died. And then they went around spreading a false message which they believed all because of Allah himself. So Allah's actions actually started the spread of the biggest belief system in the world. And He had to wait 600 years to correct this erroneous message through the prophet Muhammad.
This is not the only conclusion to that verse. This also means that Jesus in Islam was a monumental failure. What did he actually accomplish? His virgin birth, miracles and all was for nothing because his closest followers went around spreading a false message. This also questions Jesus judgement! He can form a bird from clay and make it come alive but can't choose followers to spread the right message?
Like I said, I don't intend to start any religious war, I just want a perfect explanation. Thank you.

Cc: analice107, alBHAGDADI, babseg, ilynem, annunaki2, Felixomor

I laugh after reading ur thread and its title.
"Title" you are really ignorant about ur own religion, at least you should get to know the basic history of how christianity started and divided before coming up with such thread but d funniest part is your other fellow christians that are jumping, singing n dancing without even understanding what u posted..lol may God save you pple.

It is clear in the Quran that Allah only deceived those who were plotting to kill Jesus. He did not deceive everyone...

►Surah 4:157
And [on account of] their saying: "We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, messenger of God." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him, but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him.

The verse clearly says that those who claimed that they killed the Messiah were deceived. It didn't say everyone was deceived

►Now understand ur religion history a litle
That event of crucifixion itself was not the beginning of Christianity. Decades after the event, it was Paul whose writings  and letters became the cornerstone of Christianity. 

During Paul's lifetime and in the next three centuries, there were many different lines of thought concerning Jesus, and in the followers of Jesus.It wasn't until the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE that much of what the Christianity has believed was formalized as far as Catholics are concerned. The Council depended heavily on the letters and the writings of Paul, who appears to be the first to proclaim that Jesus was the son of God.

So to come back to your question, the witnesses to the Crucifixion were a handful of people; and I do not see anywhere in the Qur'an that they are "blamed". If they follow jesus teachings

It is the subsequent development of theology based on Jesus being the son of God, who was crucified for the sins of humanity, and that he is the savior of anyone who takes an oath that saying, "Jesus died for my sins and was raised up for my salvation".  It is that which the Qur'an rejects.
 
The question assumes that all followers of Jesus including his apostles who saw him thought that Jesus was crucified, and that Christianity today is the same version of Christianity at that time and all the Christian sects believe in the crucifixion. Is it?

The gospels are not reliable. The authors are not most likely Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John, and they didn't see Jesus. The narrations have many contradictions in crucifixion and resurrection. On another level, Jesus never preached crucifixion according to the goapels. In fact, he prayed to God to "let the cup (of being killed) pass" three times in Mat 26.

Paul was the one who contributed in spreading the story of crucifixion to pagans and canceled the law. There were sects and people who disagreed with the teachings of Paul. Historically, we have no much information. However, surely they were not one entity.

Let's assume all or some Christians were decieved and believed that Jesus was on the cross. No problem until now, but don't tell me they were deceived that the one who died was God and that the law is canceled because it is a curse and Jesus became a curse and that he is the second person in trinity!

This argument is completely flawed, as well as deceptive. Anyone who knows a thing about Christianity knows that Christianity is not simply based on Jesus dying on the cross, but is also connected to the resurrection. The resurrection of Jesus is in fact the central tenant of Christianity and the most important part of the entire crucifixion account.

The apostle Paul himself explicitly said that if Jesus did not rise from the dead, then Christianity is false, and the beliefs of Christians has all been in vain:

"And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."--1 Corinthians. 15:17-20

So Christianity is based on both, Jesus dying, and Jesus rising. It’s not simply based on Jesus dying, for example if you believed that Jesus died on the cross, but did not rise from the dead, then you are not an orthodox xtian, nor will you be considered a xtian. So therefore when u pple try to claim that Allah making it appear that Jesus died on the cross led to the birth of Christianity, is a blatant distortion because they themselves know that Christianity is not simply based on Jesus dying on the cross.

At the end of the day, how does one jump from Jesus dying on the cross, to Jesus dying on the cross for the sins of mankind and rising in 3 days? Allah didn’t come with a teaching that Jesus died for your sins and rose after 3 days, rather this teaching was made up by other people, such as the apostle Paul for example.

In fact there are people who believe that Jesus died on the cross, but they’re not Christians, they believes Jesus was on the cross, but doesn’t believe he was resurrected. So this shows one can believe in Jesus dying on the cross, without having to be a Christian. So simply believing that Jesus died on the cross does not necessitate Christianity.

If you were a believer of Jesus back in his day, and you thought he died on the cross, then you’d simply conclude that he was a martyr killed in God’s cause like many other prophets before him. So Allah wasn’t responsible at all for Christianity, but rather the ones who were responsible for Christianity were the ones who started coming afterwards saying Jesus rose from the dead and died for your sins. They were the ones responsible for Christianity for they took this event and started adding their own doctrinal theology around it.

The fact that there are people who believe in Jesus’ death, but are in fact not Christians, solidly proves our argument, and solidly refutes the weak and flimsy argument like this.

The only deceiver here was Paul and not Allah.

analice107:

aminusanti, WORDSWORTH, Friendschoice, lexiconkabir, Rilwayne, Kagarko, DeAvenger, your attention is needed in this thread. come and teach us biko.

Has any of you guys came across this on nairaland?

Few days ago I wanted to contribute to post/thread on nairaland but I was shocked when I clicked the reply button and I was to select if I am Muslim or I should accept Allah the one true god.

I just put my finger to gear 1 reverse

babseg:


I actually figured it out that you are a lady not a bloke from the way you write. So feminine

Would you like to share with us what meditation really is?

Have you ever heard the word "Rhema?". If you have Rhema then know what meditation is.

Meditation is a spiritual insight one has into a seemingly coded message. Having the word speak back at you as you listen.

For Instance, when i meditated on Romans 16:20

And the God of PEACE shall soon CRUTCH satan under your feet.

I was somehow confused, you ask why? Jehovah shalom is the God of Peace, Jehovah Saboth, is the God of War or Armies right?

How then will the Holy Spirit say here that it's the God of peace who will crutch satan instead of the God of War? Isn't crutching an act of violence?

So, i asked Him to explain what he meant. I switched off my environment ears and switched into the spiritual. I got quiet and still.

Quietly, he said, " To best defeat your enemy, you take him out of his territory, take him away from his Domain, take him away from his comfort zone". What is Satan's territory?

hmmm. When you understand your enemy, you won't fear him.

He said, " Do not fight your enemy using his weapons". what are Satan's weapons? A lesson for another day.

"Do not fight your enemy according to his terms"
what are Saran's terms? Can you answer that?

These were the first things he said, i quietly picked my pen and started writing. I came out with Four full a scalp sheet of papers.
I kept on asking, he kept on bringing up scriptures to answer me.

Let me not bore you further.

Btw, how do females write that gives them away so easily?

babseg:


Has any of you guys came across this on nairaland?

Few days ago I wanted to contribute to post/thread on nairaland but I was shocked when I clicked the reply button and I was to select if I am Muslim or I should accept Allah the one true god.

I just put my finger to gear 1 reverse

Wow, you are so new here. welcome. That is the privilege you get when you fight against Christians and Christ.
For the atheists, this section was actually meant for them to use as a platform to turn kids away from Christ, Remember the phrase, "Catch the Young?".
Yeah, that was the agenda behind the religion section, but we, the Christians were hoodwinked to believe its a place for us to share our faith, only to come in and face the claws of Satan. The atheists hardly get banned here, but as a Christian who is expressive of your beliefs in Christ, watch out for bans indiscriminately.

aminusanti:


Cc: analice107, alBHAGDADI, babseg, ilynem, annunaki2, Felixomor

I laugh after reading ur thread and its title.
"Title" you are really ignorant about ur own religion, at least you should get to know the basic history of how christianity started and divided before coming up with such thread but d funniest part is your other fellow christians that are jumping, singing n dancing without even understanding what u posted..lol may God save you pple.

It is clear in the Quran that Allah only deceived those who were plotting to kill Jesus. He did not deceive everyone...

►Surah 4:157
And [on account of] their saying: "We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, messenger of God." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him, but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him.

The verse clearly says that those who claimed that they killed the Messiah were deceived. It didn't say everyone was deceived

►Now understand ur religion history a litle
That event of crucifixion itself was not the beginning of Christianity. Decades after the event, it was Paul whose writings  and letters became the cornerstone of Christianity. 

During Paul's lifetime and in the next three centuries, there were many different lines of thought concerning Jesus, and in the followers of Jesus.It wasn't until the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE that much of what the Christianity has believed was formalized as far as Catholics are concerned. The Council depended heavily on the letters and the writings of Paul, who appears to be the first to proclaim that Jesus was the son of God.

So to come back to your question, the witnesses to the Crucifixion were a handful of people; and I do not see anywhere in the Qur'an that they are "blamed". If they follow jesus teachings

It is the subsequent development of theology based on Jesus being the son of God, who was crucified for the sins of humanity, and that he is the savior of anyone who takes an oath that saying, "Jesus died for my sins and was raised up for my salvation".  It is that which the Qur'an rejects.
 
The question assumes that all followers of Jesus including his apostles who saw him thought that Jesus was crucified, and that Christianity today is the same version of Christianity at that time and all the Christian sects believe in the crucifixion. Is it?

The gospels are not reliable. The authors are not most likely Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John, and they didn't see Jesus. The narrations have many contradictions in crucifixion and resurrection. On another level, Jesus never preached crucifixion according to the goapels. In fact, he prayed to God to "let the cup (of being killed) pass" three times in Mat 26.

Paul was the one who contributed in spreading the story of crucifixion to pagans and canceled the law. There were sects and people who disagreed with the teachings of Paul. Historically, we have no much information. However, surely they were not one entity.

Let's assume all or some Christians were decieved and believed that Jesus was on the cross. No problem until now, but don't tell me they were deceived that the one who died was God and that the law is canceled because it is a curse and Jesus became a curse and that he is the second person in trinity!

This argument is completely flawed, as well as deceptive. Anyone who knows a thing about Christianity knows that Christianity is not simply based on Jesus dying on the cross, but is also connected to the resurrection. The resurrection of Jesus is in fact the central tenant of Christianity and the most important part of the entire crucifixion account.

The apostle Paul himself explicitly said that if Jesus did not rise from the dead, then Christianity is false, and the beliefs of Christians has all been in vain:

"And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."--1 Corinthians. 15:17-20

So Christianity is based on both, Jesus dying, and Jesus rising. It’s not simply based on Jesus dying, for example if you believed that Jesus died on the cross, but did not rise from the dead, then you are not an orthodox xtian, nor will you be considered a xtian. So therefore when u pple try to claim that Allah making it appear that Jesus died on the cross led to the birth of Christianity, is a blatant distortion because they themselves know that Christianity is not simply based on Jesus dying on the cross.

At the end of the day, how does one jump from Jesus dying on the cross, to Jesus dying on the cross for the sins of mankind and rising in 3 days? Allah didn’t come with a teaching that Jesus died for your sins and rose after 3 days, rather this teaching was made up by other people, such as the apostle Paul for example.

In fact there are people who believe that Jesus died on the cross, but they’re not Christians, they believes Jesus was on the cross, but doesn’t believe he was resurrected. So this shows one can believe in Jesus dying on the cross, without having to be a Christian. So simply believing that Jesus died on the cross does not necessitate Christianity.

If you were a believer of Jesus back in his day, and you thought he died on the cross, then you’d simply conclude that he was a martyr killed in God’s cause like many other prophets before him. So Allah wasn’t responsible at all for Christianity, but rather the ones who were responsible for Christianity were the ones who started coming afterwards saying Jesus rose from the dead and died for your sins. They were the ones responsible for Christianity for they took this event and started adding their own doctrinal theology around it.

The fact that there are people who believe in Jesus’ death, but are in fact not Christians, solidly proves our argument, and solidly refutes the weak and flimsy argument like this.

The only deceiver here was Paul and not Allah.

aminu, the op is about Islam not about Christianity. Answer the Op and stop rambling.

aminusanti:


Cc: analice107, alBHAGDADI, babseg, ilynem, annunaki2, Felixomor

I laugh after reading ur thread and its title.
"Title" you are really ignorant about ur own religion, at least you should get to know the basic history of how christianity started and divided before coming up with such thread but d funniest part is your other fellow christians that are jumping, singing n dancing without even understanding what u posted..lol may God save you pple.

It is clear in the Quran that Allah only deceived those who were plotting to kill Jesus. He did not deceive everyone...

►Surah 4:157
And [on account of] their saying: "We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, messenger of God." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him, but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him.

The verse clearly says that those who claimed that they killed the Messiah were deceived. It didn't say everyone was deceived

►Now understand ur religion history a litle
That event of crucifixion itself was not the beginning of Christianity. Decades after the event, it was Paul whose writings  and letters became the cornerstone of Christianity. 

During Paul's lifetime and in the next three centuries, there were many different lines of thought concerning Jesus, and in the followers of Jesus.It wasn't until the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE that much of what the Christianity has believed was formalized as far as Catholics are concerned. The Council depended heavily on the letters and the writings of Paul, who appears to be the first to proclaim that Jesus was the son of God.

So to come back to your question, the witnesses to the Crucifixion were a handful of people; and I do not see anywhere in the Qur'an that they are "blamed". If they follow jesus teachings

It is the subsequent development of theology based on Jesus being the son of God, who was crucified for the sins of humanity, and that he is the savior of anyone who takes an oath that saying, "Jesus died for my sins and was raised up for my salvation".  It is that which the Qur'an rejects.
 
The question assumes that all followers of Jesus including his apostles who saw him thought that Jesus was crucified, and that Christianity today is the same version of Christianity at that time and all the Christian sects believe in the crucifixion. Is it?

The gospels are not reliable. The authors are not most likely Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John, and they didn't see Jesus. The narrations have many contradictions in crucifixion and resurrection. On another level, Jesus never preached crucifixion according to the goapels. In fact, he prayed to God to "let the cup (of being killed) pass" three times in Mat 26.

Paul was the one who contributed in spreading the story of crucifixion to pagans and canceled the law. There were sects and people who disagreed with the teachings of Paul. Historically, we have no much information. However, surely they were not one entity.

Let's assume all or some Christians were decieved and believed that Jesus was on the cross. No problem until now, but don't tell me they were deceived that the one who died was God and that the law is canceled because it is a curse and Jesus became a curse and that he is the second person in trinity!

This argument is completely flawed, as well as deceptive. Anyone who knows a thing about Christianity knows that Christianity is not simply based on Jesus dying on the cross, but is also connected to the resurrection. The resurrection of Jesus is in fact the central tenant of Christianity and the most important part of the entire crucifixion account.

The apostle Paul himself explicitly said that if Jesus did not rise from the dead, then Christianity is false, and the beliefs of Christians has all been in vain:

"And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."--1 Corinthians. 15:17-20

So Christianity is based on both, Jesus dying, and Jesus rising. It’s not simply based on Jesus dying, for example if you believed that Jesus died on the cross, but did not rise from the dead, then you are not an orthodox xtian, nor will you be considered a xtian. So therefore when u pple try to claim that Allah making it appear that Jesus died on the cross led to the birth of Christianity, is a blatant distortion because they themselves know that Christianity is not simply based on Jesus dying on the cross.

At the end of the day, how does one jump from Jesus dying on the cross, to Jesus dying on the cross for the sins of mankind and rising in 3 days? Allah didn’t come with a teaching that Jesus died for your sins and rose after 3 days, rather this teaching was made up by other people, such as the apostle Paul for example.

In fact there are people who believe that Jesus died on the cross, but they’re not Christians, they believes Jesus was on the cross, but doesn’t believe he was resurrected. So this shows one can believe in Jesus dying on the cross, without having to be a Christian. So simply believing that Jesus died on the cross does not necessitate Christianity.

If you were a believer of Jesus back in his day, and you thought he died on the cross, then you’d simply conclude that he was a martyr killed in God’s cause like many other prophets before him. So Allah wasn’t responsible at all for Christianity, but rather the ones who were responsible for Christianity were the ones who started coming afterwards saying Jesus rose from the dead and died for your sins. They were the ones responsible for Christianity for they took this event and started adding their own doctrinal theology around it.

The fact that there are people who believe in Jesus’ death, but are in fact not Christians, solidly proves our argument, and solidly refutes the weak and flimsy argument like this.

The only deceiver here was Paul and not Allah.

Aminu as you read the Bible, have you ever come across the verse where Jesus said, he will die and on the third day resurrect? Was Paul an Apostle then?

You can't help yourself can you?

you just called allah a liar and a deciver. a god who decieves people in a matter of this magnitude, imaooo.


aminusanti, if were to tow this your line of argument, then it begs the question, WHY DID ALLAH WHISKED JESUS AWAY AND DECEIVE HIS KILLERS?


WHY WERE THE JEWS ABOUT TO KILL JESUS?

WHY WAS ALLAH SO INTERESTED IN WHISKING JESUS AWAY, BUT LET HIS MOST PRECIOUS APOSTLE DIE BY POISONING?
See how you are crushing your own nuts.

analice107:

aminu, the op is about Islam not about Christianity. Answer the Op and stop rambling.

u dont know what u r doing my friend. Who is doing the reading for u?

analice107:

That's great. Very few Christians knows anything about Meditation. When people hear Meditation, they think Mysticism. Satan has Usurped every of Gods pattern, now almost everything is ascribed to him.

Today, the ignorant ascribe to him the Status of Omniscience, Calling him the 'All Seeing Eye'.
Satan is not Omniscient. He Cant's see everything at every time, that's why he has monitoring agents everywhere.

Satan doesn't know what is not revealed or reported to him by his agents. He can't see what is not before him, that's why he tries to possess as many people as possible who will act as his agents to monitor activities of the Christians and report to him.

Ignorant people give to satan the power he doesn't have. Him head dey big for nothing.

And, em, am not a brother, Am a sister. lol.

Lol. And a very wonderful sister. Thank you so much. God bless you.

aminusanti:
u dont know what u r doing my friend. Who is doing the reading for u?

You perhaps

aminusanti:


Cc: analice107, alBHAGDADI, babseg, ilynem, annunaki2, Felixomor

I laugh after reading ur thread and its title.
"Title" you are really ignorant about ur own religion, at least you should get to know the basic history of how christianity started and divided before coming up with such thread but d funniest part is your other fellow christians that are jumping, singing n dancing without even understanding what u posted..lol may God save you pple.

It is clear in the Quran that Allah only deceived those who were plotting to kill Jesus. He did not deceive everyone...

►Surah 4:157
And [on account of] their saying: "We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, messenger of God." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him, but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him.

The verse clearly says that those who claimed that they killed the Messiah were deceived. It didn't say everyone was deceived

►Now understand ur religion history a litle
That event of crucifixion itself was not the beginning of Christianity. Decades after the event, it was Paul whose writings  and letters became the cornerstone of Christianity. 

During Paul's lifetime and in the next three centuries, there were many different lines of thought concerning Jesus, and in the followers of Jesus.It wasn't until the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE that much of what the Christianity has believed was formalized as far as Catholics are concerned. The Council depended heavily on the letters and the writings of Paul, who appears to be the first to proclaim that Jesus was the son of God.

So to come back to your question, the witnesses to the Crucifixion were a handful of people; and I do not see anywhere in the Qur'an that they are "blamed". If they follow jesus teachings

It is the subsequent development of theology based on Jesus being the son of God, who was crucified for the sins of humanity, and that he is the savior of anyone who takes an oath that saying, "Jesus died for my sins and was raised up for my salvation".  It is that which the Qur'an rejects.
 
The question assumes that all followers of Jesus including his apostles who saw him thought that Jesus was crucified, and that Christianity today is the same version of Christianity at that time and all the Christian sects believe in the crucifixion. Is it?

The gospels are not reliable. The authors are not most likely Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John, and they didn't see Jesus. The narrations have many contradictions in crucifixion and resurrection. On another level, Jesus never preached crucifixion according to the goapels. In fact, he prayed to God to "let the cup (of being killed) pass" three times in Mat 26.

Paul was the one who contributed in spreading the story of crucifixion to pagans and canceled the law. There were sects and people who disagreed with the teachings of Paul. Historically, we have no much information. However, surely they were not one entity.

Let's assume all or some Christians were decieved and believed that Jesus was on the cross. No problem until now, but don't tell me they were deceived that the one who died was God and that the law is canceled because it is a curse and Jesus became a curse and that he is the second person in trinity!

This argument is completely flawed, as well as deceptive. Anyone who knows a thing about Christianity knows that Christianity is not simply based on Jesus dying on the cross, but is also connected to the resurrection. The resurrection of Jesus is in fact the central tenant of Christianity and the most important part of the entire crucifixion account.

The apostle Paul himself explicitly said that if Jesus did not rise from the dead, then Christianity is false, and the beliefs of Christians has all been in vain:

"And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."--1 Corinthians. 15:17-20

So Christianity is based on both, Jesus dying, and Jesus rising. It’s not simply based on Jesus dying, for example if you believed that Jesus died on the cross, but did not rise from the dead, then you are not an orthodox xtian, nor will you be considered a xtian. So therefore when u pple try to claim that Allah making it appear that Jesus died on the cross led to the birth of Christianity, is a blatant distortion because they themselves know that Christianity is not simply based on Jesus dying on the cross.

At the end of the day, how does one jump from Jesus dying on the cross, to Jesus dying on the cross for the sins of mankind and rising in 3 days? Allah didn’t come with a teaching that Jesus died for your sins and rose after 3 days, rather this teaching was made up by other people, such as the apostle Paul for example.

In fact there are people who believe that Jesus died on the cross, but they’re not Christians, they believes Jesus was on the cross, but doesn’t believe he was resurrected. So this shows one can believe in Jesus dying on the cross, without having to be a Christian. So simply believing that Jesus died on the cross does not necessitate Christianity.

If you were a believer of Jesus back in his day, and you thought he died on the cross, then you’d simply conclude that he was a martyr killed in God’s cause like many other prophets before him. So Allah wasn’t responsible at all for Christianity, but rather the ones who were responsible for Christianity were the ones who started coming afterwards saying Jesus rose from the dead and died for your sins. They were the ones responsible for Christianity for they took this event and started adding their own doctrinal theology around it.

The fact that there are people who believe in Jesus’ death, but are in fact not Christians, solidly proves our argument, and solidly refutes the weak and flimsy argument like this.

The only deceiver here was Paul and not Allah.

First I want to thank you for taking your time to reply. Now to our discussion. I noticed you tried to avoid the question and focus on the "falseness" of Christianity. And you blame this whole confusion on the apostle Paul. This is funny because this same apostle who was formally named Saul actually killed Christians as a Jew. This same Paul was present with the clothes of Stephen at his feet when Stephen was stoned to death. Except you are trying to tell me that the followers of Christ actually went around preaching Islam. That is more likely since you believe that only those who planned to kill Jesus we're actually deceived. So Jesus followers knew that he didn't die. And they went around preaching Islam. Right? Here comes the confusion. Why did they pray in the name of Jesus? If Jesus was just another prophet, what made their message different from that of Jews that actually persecuted them? In fact why did the Jews want to kill Jesus in the first place? And do you know Paul actually met Peter and James? Why didn't they tell him "oh Paul you are preaching the wrong message, Jesus didn't die and resurrect? ". Now you are telling me Christianity isn't based on death alone but death and resurrection and I whole heartedly agree with you. But for resurrection to take place, one has to die. But your Quoran is disputing the death not the resurrection. Are you now saying "oh he might have died but didn't resurrect? " when your Qouran tells you he wasn't killed? Let us settle the argument of death first then we go to ressurection. Final question! The four writers of the Gospel, never contradicted each other. If you think they did, then you don't know what a condradiction is. A contradiction is surah 9: 29 and surah 45:14. What you see in the Gospels is what is called an unintended eyewitness support statements. Two people do not see the same thing the same way and even when they do, they tell to reveal it in different ways. For instance if you read mark and compare it to the others you will see that mark actually contracted the events that happened in Jesus lifetime and that is understandable because he got his story from the followers of Jesus as he wasn't part the 12. On the other hand, none of the Gospels mentioned that Jesus took a spear by His side except John. And John didn't even mention nails, but the other three did. When you try to recount a story from four different people, these things are normal. What one leaves out the other fills in. And I know you will come up with "the followers of Jesus didn't write the Gospels, blah blah blah" and I want to tell you that there are hundreds of manuscripts written thousands of years about Jesus and these are even non Christian sources. This means we can reconstruct the entire new testament by using just non Christian sources. Do your research. And finally? Paul! Paul is one powerful false prophet that he single handedly destroyed everything Jesus came to establish and started his own. I just have to say "wow".

analice107:

Wow, you are so new here. welcome. That is the privilege you get when you fight against Christians and Christ.
For the atheists, this section was actually meant for them to use as a platform to turn kids away from Christ, Remember the phrase, "Catch the Young?".
Yeah, that was the agenda behind the religion section, but we, the Christians were hoodwinked to believe its a place for us to share our faith, only to come in and face the claws of Satan. The atheists hardly get banned here, but as a Christian who is expressive of your beliefs in Christ, watch out for bans indiscriminately.

yeah unfortunately i was banned a while ago (as im not new to nairaland registered 2016 but not on religion) when i was so mad with this moniker called rillywone or something with some other Muslims about Islam. Two days after i was banned was when nairaland got hacked in which so many topics disappeared maybe it was because of the thread was hot and maybe someone deleted those topics claiming nairaland was hacked

so for while after i was banned i lost interest in posting or comment on nairand. I only started again few months back

ilynem:
Lol. And a very wonderful sister. Thank you so much. God bless you.

God bless us all.

analice107:

God bless us all.

And by the way, your comment on meditation was inspiring. You should write about it you know? You will help a lot of Christians with it. Just a friendly suggestion.

ilynem:

And by the way, your comment on meditation was inspiring. You should write about it you know? You will help a lot of Christians with it. Just a friendly suggestion.

Like seriously? Where will i start from?

And, thanks for your kind words.

babseg:


yeah unfortunately i was banned a while ago (as im not new to nairaland registered 2016 but not on religion) when i was so mad with this moniker called rillywone or something with some other Muslims about Islam. Two days after i was banned was when nairaland got hacked in which so many topics disappeared maybe it was because of the thread was hot and maybe someone deleted those topics claiming nairaland was hacked

so for while after i was banned i lost interest in posting or comment on nairand. I only started again few months back

hahahahahaha. Nairaland was not hacked. That is another privilege the Muslims have. They have the right to move threads from here and hide them inside their section where you can't comment on except you declare you are a muslim.

My dear, Very soon the Word of Our Lord and Master will be fulfilled. It'll be very hard to be a Christian anywhere in the world.

Islam is NWO attack dog.