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Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 4:02pm On Jan 25, 2017 |
OlaoChi: That's assumption, kindly use illustrations that fit 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Peacefullove: 4:14pm On Jan 25, 2017 |
petra1: and tithing is of the gospel ? Did this verse said they collect tithe ? Point it out, where its written that they collect tithe ! the Lord in that passage when he actually said those who preach should live by the gospel, was he making a reference to tithe ? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 4:51pm On Jan 25, 2017 |
Peacefullove: It's as simple as it says .How does the temple workers and ministers get theirwelfare ? it's through TITHES AND OFFERINGS Is just a. Simple parallel. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 5:10pm On Jan 25, 2017 |
openmine: Just seeing your post while searching . I may not going into detail . But. It seems yourself just so quick to try to nail . Try understand my point first. The lengthy post would not have been necessary. There's is difference between inspiration of the scriptures and application. All scriptures are inspired . All may not apply . What christ has fulfilled is not applicable. For example .the laws of diversity . Don't mix on and ass , don't wear clothes of divers materials .men clothes vs women clothes . Don't eat unclean meat Etc. Represents the gentiles. They were the unclean. Don't mingle with them . But when christ had broken the middle wall . Now in christ no gentile nor Jew . He told Peter to eat the unclean animals that they've been made clean . The door is open . Because the unclean animal represents gentiles . Christ had fulfilled that. Also the blood of christ had replaced animal blood. Christ circumcisson had replace the cut of the foreskin. You see . But the worship through tithes and offerings can never be replaced . Prayer can never be replaced. Alms for the poor cannot be replanced, we have legal righteousness but practical righteousnes cannot be replaced . Moral laws are based on principles . 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 5:20pm On Jan 25, 2017 |
petra1: I meant tithing was not only mentioned in the law .. fine Did God demand something in worship ?? Yes He demanded that those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. He didn't say we should worship Him with our tithes So you mean tithing was not fulfilled in Christ right ?? Mind what you say okay Christ fulfilled all the laws .. He didn't ask us to fulfill any of the laws again ... Why do you pick one of the laws to fulfill it ?? Your answer will be .. its an eternal principle The rest were also part of the so called eternal principles So go and apply them in you life |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 5:24pm On Jan 25, 2017 |
petra1: Funny You have admitted that those so called eternal principles were fulfilled by Christ Christ fulfilled all the laws Tithing is a law Christ called it a law There is no other law we have to fulfill He has fulfilled everything |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 5:28pm On Jan 25, 2017 |
petra1:In the Mosaic law, it is right In the Law of Christ, it is wrong Paul and the other Apostles were fed by the Church They offered them gifts not tithes 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by plainbibletruth: 5:32pm On Jan 25, 2017 |
Gombs: It is clear from this your answer that you are using "ANOTHER GOSPEL " to justify your tithing. I'm sure you may not even be able to simply explain this sentence you created from The plain truth is that there is no single demand placed on the Christian under the NEW COVENANT to tithe. Any purported demand comes from MANIPULATION of scriptures or concoctions of man and not from any clear scriptural injunction. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 5:57pm On Jan 25, 2017 |
petra1: Christ fulfilled the law of offering as well For tithing, He didn't tithe because He had no agricultural products, just as the Apostles For prayer it is not in the mosaic law And Christ whom we are following asked us to pray We give alms to the poor because of the love we have for them and not for any other reason If circumcision is a law then tithing is a law as well Because both occured b4 the law and were in the law Christ called tithing a law Paul called circumcision a law So they are laws and we are not to apple them |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Peacefullove: 6:35pm On Jan 25, 2017 |
petra1: Are you temple workers and ministers ? ... tell me , Parallel in what sense, do you also offer burnt offerings!!! they eat the things brought to them and its not money its clear most of you just perverse your bible to milk the people dry. Note and my question still stands , Paul didnt categorise himself among temple workers , rather he says those who preach the gospel to which he belong, should live by the gospel ? Now whats the parallel please ? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ezenaija(m): 8:28pm On Jan 25, 2017 |
[Nothing in the quotations supports your assertion that Paul commanded the paying of tithe by Christians. quote author=DeKen post=53034465] 1 Cor 9:9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about the oxen that God is concerned? 1 Cor 9:10 Surely he says this for us, doesn't he? Yes, this was written for us, because when the plowman plows and the thresher threshes, they ought to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 1 Cor 9:11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 1 Cor 9:12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn't we have it all the more? But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.[/quote] |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 10:52pm On Jan 25, 2017 |
petra1: The reason for my lenghty post is to make it explicit for u to comprehend cos it wud seem like u r doing otherwise... petra1: Well at least we agree on some thing.. petra1: You were going so well but the urge to bring up tithe was too tempting for you.... If i get you well,are you saying that tithes was not part of the law of moses? Now since you came up with this bold writeup....how is it possible that ALL the laws were replaced except tithe... Once again we are back on square one aka status quo..... U have no scripture to back up ur highlighted statement....i need a scripture please...i cant do some thing based on assumption...cos thats wat you are trying to say.... If U think otherwise Please do me the honour of presenting scriptures please...it will be helpful for me and others here...Thank you. petra1: Yes it was..bro There are many differences between Old and New Covenant prayer, none of which can be understood unless we start by recognizing the difference in the covenants. In Old Covenant prayer man was seeking to determine what God would do for them in the future. In New Covenant prayer we trust what God has already done in Jesus. The word “ask” in the New Testament as it relates to prayer is “to ask with the knowledge and expectation of the response.” We know God’s will for us; it’s all the provisions of the covenant with Jesus. All the promises are “yes” for we who are in Christ; all the curses are “no” and we are qualified because we are in Jesus. Ref:Ephesians 1:18 Ephesians 3:14 - 21 petra1: Romans 13:8 -10 2 Corinthians 9:7 Acts 4:32 -35 petra1: Holy Moses Bro these statements of urs,with all due respect,are shocking... Which one come be legal righteousness? Please establish your facts based on the word not assumptions.... Its not based on human assumption... Quote scriptures to back ur assertions please!! |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by BERNIMOORE: 11:03pm On Jan 25, 2017 |
Gombs:please tell us what you mean by 'order of priesthood' of jesus and support it with bible verses if you are very sure of yourself! |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 8:45am On Jan 26, 2017 |
Gombs:You dont know which side, truly your bread is buttered, that's why you're holding brief If you did, you wont be on petra1's side but will be on God's side and by the testimony of His undiluted word Gombs:This line isnt original as I first it used for petra1 I stated this on a preceded post on this thread, but petra1 deemed it being insultive, but it's now confirmed there at least two on this thread who consistently are FAMOUSLY either playing being ignorant or behaving in untrustworthy or deceitful manners Gombs:SMH, ''the offering up of the Gentiles'' has nothing to do with them offering money but is figuratively talking about the Gentiles'' being sacrifices themselves similarly to when animal sacrifies or offering were given, this following our Lord Jesus Christ, and whose Ultimate sacrifice we are expected in spirit, mind and body we are all to emulate Gombs:If you were adhering to the train and flow of post between petra1 and mine, you would have noticed it was about petra1 claiming that collection is offering (i.e. And what is the collection called? No bi offering? - petra1) and him embarrassingly using Acts 24:17 to back his claim that Paul offering in that verse was money. SMH Read or familiarise yourself the subsequent posts on the Nazirite vow Paul did offering for Gombs:SMH, smh smh, continue, continue ooo, continue smearing egg on your face ''thusia'' - sacrifice and ''phosphora'' - offering, are closely associated in meaning Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; - Hebrews 10:8 KJV So in Hebrews 10:5, Hebrews 10:10 and particularly Hebrews 10:8, please tell me, is ''Sacrifice and offering'' talking about money? Tell me please wherein in that Hebrews 10:8 text or elsewhere, is ''money therein; are offered by the law'' Gombs:It's you erring big time, as it isnt called offering but apart from being collection, it also, is called contributions, which are voluntarily given, as decided in the heart, under no compulsion and for the support of the poor etcetera Gombs:Alms is also used for the relief of the poor, contributions is also used for the relief of the poor, but you wont find offering used for money gathered gathered for the relief of the poor Gombs:SMH, It is either carnal mind or a folly in thinking that would make anyone construe this otherwise because monies given in services had always and originally been called collection and/or contributions If believers are exhorted not to be worldly minded and not to be given to filthy lucre then more the reason we should stop cheating our consciences by taking of this filthy lucre and pack in this tithe scam charade instead of being fond of the filthy lucre The trouble with most of these tithe marketeers can be found in Luke 5:39, these kind of tithe marketeers are drunk on the old and thinking the old is better Not realising that new wine must be put into fresh wineskins. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 8:45am On Jan 26, 2017 |
Peacefullove: petra1: Peacefullove: petra1:SMH. It's not ''it's just a simple parallel'' What you read in that verse is a syncrisis, it is all about the law of sin and death (i.e. tithe etcetera) and the law of Spirit (i.e. cheerful giving, just as has decided in the heart and under no compulsion etcetera) Though 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 is parallel to Romans 8:2, by itself alone 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 is a syncrisis Dont you recognise a syncrisis, when you see one petra1? If you didn't know that 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 is a syncrisis and not a parallel, then I dont know what else to type again. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by plainbibletruth: 9:50am On Jan 26, 2017 |
There was a time when God chose to relate with man on a one-on-one basis as it were. Then came the time when God decided to use a SINGLE NATION – Israel – to reach mankind. A time came again when God chose to use another entity – the CHURCH – to be his instrument of reaching and relating with mankind. In each of these cases God established his systems (his modus operandi) of administration. Suppose someone under Israel decided that he was going to ignore God’s system for his time and choose to use what God instituted in the previous era to run his spiritual life. He might even argue that: “After all, God was the one that set up that same system”. What would any reasonable person think of that individual – smart, innovative, discerning? Or simply foolish and disobedient? In the same way what should we think of one under the church age who decides to ignore God’s stipulation for the SPIRITUAL LIFE of this time – the church age – and go back to use any of the systems of the previous eras – smart, innovative, discerning? Or simply foolish and disobedient? He may even choose to appear brilliant and use such terms as – ‘ETERNAL PRINCIPLES’. That is what today’s TITHERS are. Instead of learning – because in many cases they don’t know – the system of the spiritual life under the church age, they simply choose to go back to WHAT THEY THINK operated in the previous DISPENSATIONS and decide to run their spiritual lives by it. They actually end up making a ship wreck of their spiritual lives. Today’s TITHER is NOT THE FIRST GENERATION of the church. Does he therefore know more about the spiritual life of the church age than the PIONEERS? Did the PIONEERS engage in the gimmicks he has chosen to get into today – TITHING, etc ? Did the PIONEERS emphasize or put in all the hue and cry about tithing that today’s tither would want us believe? Today’s tithers have simply refused to seek out what the PIONEERS OF OUR FAITH under the church age have so clearly spelt out and follow it. They have decided to devise their own systems and run by it. In the end they will have their reward IN FULL. The church age is different from others. THERE IS NO MANDATORY OR FORCED GIVING – SUCH AS TITHING – UNDER THE CHURCH AGE. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 3:39pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: I don laugh at tire.. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 3:40pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE: See why I don't want to discuss with you? You DO NOT have the faintest idea of this topic, why should I indulge you any further? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by BERNIMOORE: 5:37pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
Gombs:don't run away oga! You earlier claimed in your post that "Jesus belong to an order of priesthood" but failed to tell us "the order of priesthood" it is very important to this discussion because of the The strange claim that Abraham paid tithe"through that strange priesthood order" so tell us the"priesthood order" that Jesus belong or we assume that your heresies about pre law tithes superseding the law are mere ruse which you are not very sure of. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 7:50pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE: Figure it out |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 10:56pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
Junia: Not at all. As long as theirs a high priest and there is a God we must worship him with substance |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 10:57pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE: Melchizedek |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 11:01pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Kindly Focus on topic . And your bible . If you did, you wont be on petra1's side but will be on God's side and by the testimony of His undiluted word Petra1 is on Gods side . |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 11:09pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Precise parallel. What you read in that verse is a syncrisis, it is all about the law of sin and death (i.e. tithe etcetera) Cheerful giving is not a new testament revelation. Don't make big deal out of it. It's based on OT principle. The challenge is just that some folks have not really studied the Old Testament. It's the foundation for the new . Though 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 is parallel to Romans 8:2, by itself alone 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 is a syncrisis It's not syncrisis . It's perfect illustration. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 11:15pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
openmine: There is a legal aspect of our salvation and a vital aspect. By "legal" I'm talking about what christ has given , by "vital " I'm talking about experience,manifestation,working it out etc. You were healed is "legal. But you could be under the oppression of sickness by ignorance. Living in health by the word and having dominion over sickness is vital experience |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 11:21pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
Junia: Tithes is not only based on agric product . It's given on POSSESSIONS or GAINS or INCOME Luke 18:12 (KJV) 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. Luke 18:12 (NLT) 12 I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income Luke 18:12 (AMPC) 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 11:27pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
Peacefullove: He said the same way the ministers of the temple got their welfare . Same goes for the ministers of the gospel . It's tithes and offerings God had ordained . And recorded from Melchizedek to date |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 11:32pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
Peacefullove: I don't need tithe , I work . I am a tither. its clear most of you just perverse your bible to milk the people dry Don't be naughty. Note and my question still stands , Paul didnt categorise himself among temple workers , rather he says those who preach the gospel to which he belong, should live by the gospel ? Now whats the parallel please ? It's his personal choice . But he's entitled to it. But for the carnality of the Corinthians Paul would rather work with his hand . 90% of pastors work and do business. And they don't need church support except some or general overseers. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 11:47pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
Junia: Giving will always be part of worship . Sacrifices will always be part of Gods kingdom . Except those who do want to give God his due. You see you can say. Because Jesus. Had become sacrifice we don't make sacrifice to God . Neither can you say because Jesus prayed ,he had fulfilled prayers for us or because Jesus fasted we don't need to fast. That's the mistake few of you are making . So you mean tithing was not fulfilled in Christ right ?? Maybe I didn't see it you may quote the passage . As far as my knowledge of the Bible is concerned nothing in the messiah work replace these principles . Mind what you say okay I'm not fulling any law. I'm living by kingdom principles Why do you pick one of the laws to fulfill it ?? Answer given above . I should rather ask you . Why do you condemn some principles mentioned in the law and do others . Why don't you commit homosexuality or bestiality or incest ? Pls answer |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 12:06am On Jan 27, 2017 |
petra1: My bro am not willing to go down that path with you... We are not discussing science or "word usage"... Please direct ur assumptions using the bible... Like i said,it will be beneficial... This should be the 10th time i asked for a scripture quotation from every "assumption" U have made... You cannot prove anything without the word...shey u know that? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 12:17am On Jan 27, 2017 |
petra1: I don't commit them because of my love for God Im under the law of Christ Kingdom principles .. Gimme a scripture that talks about that Tithing is a law So is burnt offering Animal sacrifices Circumcision They are all laws What kingdom principles ?? Gimme a scripture that talks about it The Bible is our standard Not your wisdom |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by plainbibletruth: 12:20am On Jan 27, 2017 |
petra1: You guys are very SLIMY. He asked you to specifically point out where TITHE is in your referenced passage in 1 Cor. 9:13 - 14 and after rambling what you come up with is the above. Where can you show us that the New Covenant believer is MANDATED to pay tithe by the foundation builders of the CHURCH - the Apostles? I'm sure you'll find None. So, why not just LEARN instead of conjuring up FABLES. 1 Like |
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