frank317:


What's ur point? Why are u here and there with no point. U just accused the op of breaking medical ethics, just because he is trying to show how prayer did not work for his patients. That was a baseless accusation.

If u think death is a wonderful thing, u can go and kill urself already and stop preaching that death is a wonderful thing when ur likes are the ones coming to his professional house to pray for life.

Death is a terrible thing, that's why he is concerned that even prayer to the almighty creator seems useless to it. The op feels bad when a patient in his care dies, but how does ur God who has promised to much feel. U now want to preach to us that death is a wonderful thing. What kind of skewed thinking is this?

Pls if u have nothing to say shut up.

You don't believe God Exist and you join the Op in criticizing what does not exist...."God Did...God Did Not Do"......How does it affect you .........you know how to shut people up......ole thread, gerrrat outofhere!!!!!!!

urheme:


You don't believe God Exist and you join the Op in criticizing what does not exist...."God Did...God Did Not Do"......How does it affect you .........you know how to shut people up......ole thread, gerrrat outofhere!!!!!!!

U still behind with this backward thinking.

I am criticising the God idea because the likes of u come to the hospital and claim to be God messenger with nothing to show for it. Doesn't that open the door for criticism?

If 80% of prayers done in the hospital or church were successful do u think there will be a need for this thread?

Then the best defence you have for your fake God not living up to expectations is to accuse the op of breaking medical ethics. Are u not crazy? U don't even know where u stand. U don't even know what u worship but u are just good at coming up with baseless accusation.
The cry of a drowning man

The religious folks, especially the type parading their anachronistic and suicidal thinking on this thread, are a repulsive studies in idiocy and grand delusion.

*they will fast and pray to be healed of diseases, yet they claim diseases glorify the power of the their skydaddy.

* they fast and pray against death, yet they claim death is glorious.

*they claim heaven is bliss, yet they place curses upandan against imaginary enemies, they claim are after their lives.

*no group of religious folks fear death like the Christians.

These folks need help to the rehab homes.

urheme:


You don't believe God Exist and you join the Op in criticizing what does not exist...."God Did...God Did Not Do"......How does it affect you .........you know how to shut people up......ole thread, gerrrat outofhere!!!!!!!

Nowhere in this thread did I say that God doesn't exist or criticized him. Someone asked me point blank on this thread if I am an atheist, you can go and check out my answer. I just said prayers don't work evidenced by how it has failed ALL my patients at the point of death.
It's the Nigerian way of arguments tho. If you don't have anything to say, then attack your opponent.

Sorry I didn't read everything before commenting. Read only pages 1, 2 and 14. But at least, I know what the thread is about already.

I'd love to discuss this widely, but pardon me, I may not. However, further questionings will bring that in.

Talking about Failed Prayers, the reason is simple; they are not done in Faith. The Bible tells us that prayers done in Faith CAN NOT fail. Mark 9:23. Faith makes impossibilities possible.

I can imagine the kind of prayers offered:

1. Lord donot allow my enemies prevail over me.

God is NOT going about delivering anymore. He has finished His Work and has delivered POWER to you. Luke 10:19. So, it's left for you to use that power. Powers are NOT used in pleading, they are used in uttering authoritative words.

That prayer failed because it is amiss. Affirm with your tongue what you want without a doubt and so shall it be! Proverbs 18:21.

2. Oh Lord! Take this sickness away from me.

This also is amiss. God didn't put the sickness there. Acts 10:38 tells us who causes sicknesses. Colossians 2:15 tells us that Christ has won the victory. 1corinthians 15:57 tells us that God has GIVEN us that victory over satan and his cohorts.

To beg God in tears to take sicknesses aways is like telling him He hasn't done it before. He has done His part. Do yours! What's your part? Act on the Word of God by Faith.

Many Christians sees themselves as one "trying to conquer problems" whereas to act in Faith says otherwise. It says you have see yourself as a victor first b4 it materializes.

Genesis 13:14-15 shows us a spiritual principle. "what you see is what you possess"

Joshua 6:2 God gave Joshua a condition before they could possess Jericho. That condition was "SEE". . . God needed them to see Jericho as their possession already before they are gonna possess it physically.

What do you do when you fall sick? Give it a command! An outright one! Donot consult God to heal you. He already has done His part.

I'll stop here. Perhaps, further questionings will help me say a little more.

iSpirit1:


What do you do when you fall sick? Give it a command! An outright one! .

What kind of "command"?

iSpirit1:


Talking about Failed Prayers, the reason is simple; they are not done in Faith. The Bible tells us that prayers done in Faith CAN NOT fail. Mark 9:23. Faith makes impossibilities possible.

This justifies people dying? Even your loved ones? Do you think you precious loved one, say ur mum or dad or sibling, deserve to die because they don't have faith at time of sickness?
Pls answer this sincerely.

I can imagine the kind of prayers offered:

1. Lord donot allow my enemies prevail over me.

No, u are just being dishonest... Any dying person would definitely ask God to forgive and heal him or her. Why would anyone be thinking of his/enemy prevailing at the time of death... Enemy is usually secondary, surviving is usually primary... Have u even ever been around a dying person?

God is NOT going about delivering anymore. He has finished His Work and has delivered POWER to you. Luke 10:19. So, it's left for you to use that power. Powers are NOT used in pleading, they are used in uttering authoritative words.

Good excuse, so if people die, it's their fault, but if they live it's Gods fault. Ur God created people out of love and leave them to die out of ignorance. A dying man is the most desperate man...He just tries his best based on the knowledge available to him... But ur God who knows the future...Who knows the heart, who understands the ignorance ruling their world, just sits and allow them to die despite knowing their plight.

That prayer failed because it is amiss. Affirm with your tongue what you want without a doubt and so shall it be! Proverbs 18:21.

Ignorance bro... What u think u know is not what others know, yet everyone wishes to live... Doesn't ur God understand this? Well,what can i say, one Christian here said death is a bliss.

2. Oh Lord! Take this sickness away from me.

This also is amiss. God didn't put the sickness there. Acts 10:38 tells us who causes sicknesses. Colossians 2:15 tells us that Christ has won the victory. 1corinthians 15:57 tells us that God has GIVEN us that victory over satan and his cohorts.

Sorry, what exactly should people pray for in times of dying?

To beg God in tears to take sicknesses aways is like telling him He hasn't done it before. He has done His part. Do yours! What's your part? Act on the Word of God by Faith.

What a proud God...And to think that this is a God that understands us better than us.

Many Christians sees themselves as one "trying to conquer problems" whereas to act in Faith says otherwise. It says you have see yourself as a victor first b4 it materializes.

Genesis 13:14-15 shows us a spiritual principle. "what you see is what you possess"

Joshua 6:2 God gave Joshua a condition before they could possess Jericho. That condition was "SEE". . . God needed them to see Jericho as their possession already before they are gonna possess it physically.

What do you do when you fall sick? Give it a command! An outright one! Donot consult God to heal you. He already has done His part.

Ya right they ask amiss,so they deserve to die.

Here u are sounding like everyone who dies deserve to die, despite death being inevitable... U God is truly a winner.

iSpirit1:
Talking about Failed Prayers, the reason is simple; they are not done in Faith. The Bible tells us that prayers done in Faith CAN NOT fail. Mark 9:23. Faith makes impossibilities possible.

So, the HIV patients discarding their drugs and praying aren't doing it in faith, Pray, tell which show of faith is greater than discarding the antiretroviral drugs?

akintom:

What kind of "command"?

Myself for example, I was a sickle cell disease patient. Was sickly until I came to this perfect liberty. This has been the case since I started to address sickness as a corruptor. I always affirm that I can NEVER be sick because Jesus never suffered such (1John 4:17b) and so it has been for me over the years.

Mark 11:23 "For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. ". . Notice: "whosoever shall say to this mountain". . He didn't tell you to consult God to move the mountain... He said, "tell the mountain to move".

iSpirit1:
Myself for example, I was a sickle cell disease patient. Was sickly until I came to this perfect liberty. This has been the case since I started to address sickness as a corruptor. I always affirm that I can NEVER be sick because Jesus never suffered such (1John 4:17b) and so it has been for me over the years.
.

* have you commanded the "SS" to "AA" or "AS" now?

* do you still take medication or just "command" only?

CatfishBilly:

So, the HIV patients discarding their drugs and praying aren't doing it in faith, Pray, tell which show of faith is greater than discarding the antiretroviral drugs?

Lemme bring this Forth. . .Faith means to trust wholly without an atom of doubt or wavering from what God has done.

A little doubt, and that's NO longer faith.

Faith, fear and doubt are inward things. There4 no one else can know it except the man himself.

You can't account for another man whether he had faith or NOT. Why? Because you never can tell whether he had a little doubt.

You may say, all his actions shows that he believed. Yes! Matthew 12:34. Unless something is abundant in the heart, it can't result into action.

If doubt is in his heart in little proportion, tho' it won't manifest in his action. But that doubt has made his faith irrelevant. Meaning, he didn't even have Faith.

Mark 11:23 tells us about Faith. It says, "if you have Faith without a doubt, whatsoever you say shall be so done"

If what you said wasn't done as you said it, then, you didn't have Faith.

Mark 11:23 makes it very clear that Faith can't Fail. So, if you have problem with getting results, perhaps, you need to check what you called faith again. Whether a little fear or doubt was mingled with it.

akintom:


* have you commanded the "SS" to "AA" or "AS" now?

* do you still take medication or just "command" only?

The Testimony is, me who used to fall sick every month and won't get well until the doctor place me on series of treatments has not taken ordinary paracetamol since the last 6years. I've being enjoying my healthy life for the past 7years.

As for reconfirming my genotype, to be honest, I haven't done that. But it's obvious that an SS patient can't live for 7years without at least, a little health challenge.

All I do is continually affirm what God has done for me in Christ without an atom of doubt.

@Frank317

Your Questions are many.

Perhaps, I can help sum up the answer.

Just as it is with every human being, that everyone has his or her own principles by which they live so it is with God.

No matter how much a man loves a lady, there are certain things he can't take from her. Especially when the lady is overly demanding asking the man NOT to be himself anymore.

Well, it varies with men. But every man has principles by which he lives. Every man have at least what they can't change about them no matter what. If you can't cope with that, it's your choice whether to depart or continue to endure it.

The same with God. One of it is, "you wanna please me/walk with me, you have to have Faith -Hebrew 11:6"

So, if you don't have Faith, you can't please God. And you can't get anything out from Him.

To walk with God, Faith is a necessity. It is the platform on which everything lies.

frank317:


Otherwise ur God leaves the person to die?

Yes.

iSpirit1:


The Testimony is, me who used to fall sick every month and won't get well until the doctor place me on series of treatments has not taken ordinary paracetamol since the last 6years. I've being enjoying my healthy life for the past 7years..

It's not a "miracle" if you claim that random crisis appears to have cease. Most SCD folks experience this at adulthood.

iSpirit1:

As for reconfirming my genotype, to be honest, I haven't done that. But it's obvious that an SS patient can't live for 7years without at least, a little health challenge.
.

Whatever god is behind the 7yrs "miracle", shouldn't find this conversion a difficult thing to do for you. Not even with this your mountain moving faith.

iSpirit1:

All I do is continually affirm what God has done for me in Christ without an atom of doubt.

May i advise you and others reading this. The concept of psychosomatic mechanism of the human body has limitations,when it comes to denying, rejecting and suppressing signs of illness.

There are diseases that can accommodate that, but the cumulative effect of the micro damages to the body organs, will roar up one day and death might end it all.

Am very familiar with the line of Christian doctrine that you are harping here. You certainly don't wanna know how this doctrine has complicated treatable and curable disease for folks. Some of them eventually died needlessly.

iSpirit1:
@Frank317

Your Questions are many.

Perhaps, I can help sum up the answer.

Just as it is with every human being, that everyone has his or her own principles by which they live so it is with God.

No matter how much a man loves a lady, there are certain things he can't take from her. Especially when the lady is overly demanding asking the man NOT to be himself anymore.

Well, it varies with men. But every man has principles by which he lives. Every man have at least what they can't change about them no matter what. If you can't cope with that, it's your choice whether to depart or continue to endure it.

The same with God. One of it is, "you wanna please me/walk with me, you have to have Faith -Hebrew 11:6"

So, if you don't have Faith, you can't please God. And you can't get anything out from Him.

To walk with God, Faith is a necessity. It is the platform on which everything lies.

Thanks, now I understand why he lets kids suffer and die... They should better grow up and have faith. God loves them, so much...But he is what he is.

oaroloye:


Yes.

Sorry, have you ever lost a close loved on before?

iSpirit1:
Lemme bring this Forth. . .Faith means to trust wholly without an atom of doubt or wavering from what God has done.

A little doubt, and that's NO longer faith.

Faith, fear and doubt are inward things. There4 no one else can know it except the man himself.

You can't account for another man whether he had faith or NOT. Why? Because you never can tell whether he had a little doubt.

You may say, all his actions shows that he believed. Yes! Matthew 12:34. Unless something is abundant in the heart, it can't result into action.

If doubt is in his heart in little proportion, tho' it won't manifest in his action. But that doubt has made his faith irrelevant. Meaning, he didn't even have Faith.

Mark 11:23 tells us about Faith. It says, "if you have Faith without a doubt, whatsoever you say shall be so done"

If what you said wasn't done as you said it, then, you didn't have Faith.

Mark 11:23 makes it very clear that Faith can't Fail. So, if you have problem with getting results, perhaps, you need to check what you called faith again. Whether a little fear or doubt was mingled with it.

Baba, I've seen faith, so someone at the point of death that we were telling to recommence their medications and they refuse citing that their faith has cured them, that one is not faith? Or declaring every 5 minutes "I shall not die but live and declare the works of the Lord", that one is not faith? I give up

iSpirit1:
Lemme bring this Forth. . .Faith means to trust wholly without an atom of doubt or wavering from what God has done.

.

Am very afraid for you. Based on my previous teachings on the subject of faith, my observations on the understanding that Christians have on the subject, and how it rewards them, you're at the baby phase of the Christian doctrine.

According to the advanced level of faith in god, FAITH IS NOT ABSENCE OF DOUBT. RATHER, FAITH IS TAKING GOD FOR/AT HIS WORDS, YOUR DOUBT NOTWITHSTANDING.

The three Hebrew kids said "EVEN (doubt) if our god will not deliver us.... Oh King, we will not bow to this image...".

Yet, according to the myth, Yahweh saved them from the furnace.

Just be careful, not to get hurt with the myth of the Bible.

frank317:


Sorry, have you ever lost a close loved on before?

Yes. I have lost people whom I cared about before.

Why do you ask?

akintom:

Am very afraid for you. Based on my previous teachings on the subject of faith, my observations on the understanding that Christians have on the subject, and how it rewards them, you're at the baby phase of the Christian doctrine.

According to the advanced level of faith in god, FAITH IS NOT ABSENCE OF DOUBT. RATHER, FAITH IS TAKING GOD FOR/AT HIS WORDS, YOUR DOUBT NOTWITHSTANDING.

The three Hebrew kids said "EVEN (doubt) if our god will not deliver us.... Oh King, we will not bow to this image...".

Yet, according to the myth, Yahweh saved them from the furnace.

Just be careful, not to get hurt with the myth of the Bible.

You make assumptions, when you could simply ask questions, and find out the facts.

Under the Old Testament, people did not know much about God, and were satisfied with what little they knew.

We do not have that excuse: we are specifically Commanded to KNOW GOD.

That entails a lot of unlearning and learning that even the above-average Religious person would not want to do.

We have to do better than merely guessing what God can and will do for us, and then hoping for the best.

Hypocrites- Carnal Brethren- arrogantly presume that they are equal or superior to people of The Bible, and therefore worthy to barge into the Presence of God, and demand the same Cup that those people were drinking with Him.

That often does not work.

That usually does not work.

Therefore, they accept any explanation for their failure than that THEY WERE NOT WORTHY.

They EDIT The Promises of God to include the clause that GOD IS NOT RELIABLE, and MAY renege on His Covenant.

People accept this counterfeit Gospel because THEY INVESTED THEIR MONEY IN IT.

They PAID False Christian Ministers to EXAGGERATE their Relationship with God.

Which, of course, God will never recognize- no matter how loudly they sing His Praises, nor how long the Services and (aptly-named) "RETREATS" are. Those things are just a MIND-CONTROL JOKE intended to hynotize Hypocrites into FORGETTING that they are Sinners: which don't Hypnotize GOD.

oaroloye:


Yes. I have lost people whom I cared about before.

Why do you ask?

You think their death is their fault because they didn't have faith? Do u blame them for their misfortune?

akintom:

Am very afraid for you. Based on my previous teachings on the subject of faith, my observations on the understanding that Christians have on the subject, and how it rewards them, you're at the baby phase of the Christian doctrine.

According to the advanced level of faith in god, FAITH IS NOT ABSENCE OF DOUBT. RATHER, FAITH IS TAKING GOD FOR/AT HIS WORDS, YOUR DOUBT NOTWITHSTANDING.

The three Hebrew kids said "EVEN (doubt) if our god will not deliver us.... Oh King, we will not bow to this image...".

Yet, according to the myth, Yahweh saved them from the furnace.

Just be careful, not to get hurt with the myth of the Bible.

A single verse will answer your question. You'll get to know why God bore them of old even in their lack of faith and worked amongst them.

"And the times of this ignorance God winked at (overlooked); but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (Acts 17:30).

Look at that verse carefully. Alot of people have misinterpreted this verse to mean that God overlooks whatsoever humans do ignorantly. But that not what the verse is saying. Because God won't excuse anyone into heaven if they are not righteous because they committed the sins in question ignorantly.

Here is what it says:

"and the times of ignorance, God overlooked." meaning, there was a time when God overlooked certain things that men do which are against His standards. And that time, he refered to as "the times of ignorance"

But NOW, he demands from all men everywhere to repent (walk according to His standards). Altho' not all men everywhere knows God's standards. But as far as God is concerned, NOW is not the time of ignorance.

Notice: it reads "but now commandeth all men every where (whether you know God's standards or not) to repent:"

it didn't read "but now commandeth all men, who knows the truth or all men who knows God's standards to repent:"

That tells you that NOW, God is no longer taking ignorant as an excuse. And won't do anything until man have Faith.

In summary: In the Earlier times, before the way of Faith was revealed, God refered to that time as the times of ignorance and there4 he overlooked their inability to have Faith. But now, not any longer.

CatfishBilly:

Nowhere in this thread did I say that God doesn't exist or criticized him. Someone asked me point blank on this thread if I am an atheist, you can go and check out my answer. I just said prayers don't work evidenced by how it has failed ALL my patients at the point of death.
It's the Nigerian way of arguments tho. If you don't have anything to say, then attack your opponent.

Dr, you are unemployable......no chemist should even employ.....you have too many death records......you are just a bad news and a bad luck.

reading through your story, you should not even be a doctor.........this patient died....another died....a child i was treating died.....my aunt died.....die..die....die...all around you.
Dr of doom......i won't even let you examine my child with a hundred foot pole.......all the people you examined and treated died lol.....is like your presence around a patient send them to their grave.

Dr, i suggested you go for some deliverance.

urheme:


Dr, you are unemployable......no chemist should even employ.....you have too many death records......you are just a bad news and a bad luck.

reading through your story, you should not even be a doctor.........this patient died....another died....a child i was treating died.....my aunt died.....die..die....die...all around you.
Dr of doom......i won't even let you examine my child with a hundred foot pole.......all the people you examined and treated died lol.....is like your presence around a patient send them to their grave.

Dr, i suggested you go for some deliverance.

Lol

CatfishBilly:

So, the HIV patients discarding their drugs and praying aren't doing it in faith, Pray, tell which show of faith is greater than discarding the antiretroviral drugs?

em... Dr, even your drugs cannot keep any body alive.....we will all die....

you are a doctor and should know anything that has life must surely die....death is a transformation apart from a contribution to mother nature.

you said the other time that Christ healed the sick and raised the dead........it is painful that your brain did not tell you that they did not live forever......they died...the whole Bible characters died.

Dr say after me ..." i'm not afraid of death".

You are healed from the fear of death in Jesus name. Amen.

urheme:




em... Dr, even your drugs cannot keep any body alive.....we will all die....

Drugs definitely can keep someone alive, I've seen it/done it on several occasions.

urheme:

you are a doctor and should know anything that has life must surely die....death is a transformation apart from a contribution to mother nature.

you said the other time that Christ healed the sick and raised the dead........it is painful that your brain did not tell you that they did not live forever......they died...the whole Bible characters died.

Dr say after me ..." i'm not afraid of death".

You are healed from the fear of death in Jesus name. Amen.

I never said that I'm afraid if death, I just said that I hate it when I lose a patient. And this thread was about the final throw of the dice which my patients did and how it failed them despite all the promises in the Holy Book telling them that that last throw of the dice won't fail them.

iSpirit1:

A single verse will answer your question. You'll get to know why God bore them of old even in their lack of faith and worked amongst them.

"And the times of this ignorance God winked at (overlooked); but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (Acts 17:30).

Look at that verse carefully. Alot of people have misinterpreted this verse to mean that God overlooks whatsoever humans do ignorantly. But that not what the verse is saying. Because God won't excuse anyone into heaven if they are not righteous because they committed the sins in question ignorantly.

Here is what it says:

"and the times of ignorance, God overlooked." meaning, there was a time when God overlooked certain things that men do which are against His standards. And that time, he refered to as "the times of ignorance"

But NOW, he demands from all men everywhere to repent (walk according to His standards). Altho' not all men everywhere knows God's standards. But as far as God is concerned, NOW is not the time of ignorance.

Notice: it reads "but now commandeth all men every where (whether you know God's standards or not) to repent:"

it didn't read "but now commandeth all men, who knows the truth or all men who knows God's standards to repent:"

That tells you that NOW, God is no longer taking ignorant as an excuse. And won't do anything until man have Faith.

In summary: In the Earlier times, before the way of Faith was revealed, God refered to that time as the times of ignorance and there4 he overlooked their inability to have Faith. But now, not any longer.

You're still a baby in the elementary doctrine of faith. Don't worry, before you stay up to few months on this forum, you will throw away the whole bible away. Because you shall realise that it's all childish tales.

But to help you out on the infantile exegesis you brought up.

The whole crap is trashed, on the fact that Abraham believed god, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. So also are all the heroes of faith, as listed in the book of Hebrew.

You're a learner. Just be careful with how you row with the tales.

CatfishBilly:
Case number 10
We had to admit a baby girl, she was given birth to prematurely (7 months gestation), her case was a bad one and we told the parents the prognosis, but this little girl fought on. She exceeded our expectations and everyone in that unit got attached to her emotionally, then she got worse, nothing seemed to be working. The parents have spent a ton of money by this time, so, we were all really rooting for this girl to make it, we held prayers, got a mantle blessed by Bishop Oyedepo, prayed and prayed, she eventually died.

Remember that u exhausted ur medical abilities first

Our prayers and Bishop Oyedepo's mantle weren't worth a damn, apparently.

So can I say ur medicines and medical abilities weren't worth a damn?? Remember you were the one that she invested her money on and u failed.

How about you quit ur job?? Or pple stop visiting you??

urheme:



I am not here to argue with you......your clients died and so you have failed . do you have the power to keep alive .. you are thinking yes just because you read medicine....

your patient prayed...had faith and they died..." this death means gain for them" and it means a horrible thing to you. " as if na you die"

If you bring religious critisms in to your work you will continue to fail in this profession....what i sense in your thread is blaming God for your client's death and for your failures.

my friend go and rethink whether you want to remain in this profession or not.

Death is gain? Then your folly is really a loss.... mtchew

frank317:


You think their death is their fault because they didn't have faith? Do u blame them for their misfortune?

The term "BLAME" implies Judgment: which some people are taught to equate as worse than the Sin identified as a rhetorical device.

Everything that happens to everyone is primarily Their "Fault."

SHALOM!

iSpirit1:
Lemme bring this Forth. . .Faith means to trust wholly without an atom of doubt or wavering from what God has done.

WRONG!

According to THE BIBLE, Faith means to trust wholly without an Atom of Doubt from what God has SAID.

. ROMANS 10:17.

17. So then Faith (cometh) by hearing,
and hearing by the Word of God.

BUT THAT STATEMENT IS WRONG, TOO.

. HEBREWS 11:1.

NOW Faith is the Substance of things hoped for,
the Evidence of things not seen.

THIS statement is correct- but PAUL said that FAITH comes by hearing the SPOKEN Word of God (RHEMA), and THAT IS WRONG.

If Faith came from hearing the spoken Word of God, everyone who merely read The Bible or had it read to them would have Faith.

. MATTHEW 13:1-23.

THE same day went Jesus out of the house,
and sat by the sea side.
2. And great multitudes
were gathered together unto him,
so that he went into a ship, and sat;
and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3. And he spake many things
unto them in Parables, saying,
"Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4. "And when he sowed,
some seeds fell by the way side,
and the fowls came
and devoured them up:
5. "Some fell upon stony places,
where they had not much earth:
and forthwith they sprung up,
because they had no deepness of earth:
6. "And when the Sun was up,
they were scorched;
and because they had no root,
they withered away.
7. "And some fell among thorns;
and the thorns sprung up,
and choked them:
8. "But other fell into good ground,
and brought forth fruit,
some an hundredfold,
some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9. "Who hath ears to hear,
let him hear."
10. And the Disciples came,
and said unto him,
"Why speakest thou unto them in Parables?"
11. He answered and said unto them,
"Because it is given unto you
to know The Mysteries
of The Kingdom of Heaven,
but to them it is not given.
12. "For whosoever hath,
to him shall be given,
and he shall have more abundance:
but whosoever hath not,
from him shall be taken away
even that he hath.
13. "Therefore speak I to them in Parables:

'BECAUSE THEY SEEING SEE NOT;
AND HEARING THEY HEAR NOT,
NEITHER DO THEY UNDERSTAND.'

14. "And in them is fulfilled
the Prophecy of Esaias,
which saith,

'BY HEARING YE SHALL HEAR,
AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND;
AND SEEING YE SHALL SEE,
AND SHALL NOT PERCEIVE:
15. 'FOR THIS PEOPLE'S HEART
IS WAXED GROSS,
AND THEIR EARS
ARE DULL OF HEARING,
AND THEIR EYES
THEY HAVE CLOSED;
LEST AT ANY TIME
THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES
AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND
WITH THEIR HEART,
AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED,
AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM.'

16. "But Blessed
are your eyes,
for they see:
and your ears,
for they hear.
17. "For verily I say unto you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS
AND RIGHTEOUS MEN
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.'

18. "Hear ye therefore
The Parable of the Sower.

19. 'WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH
THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT,
THEN COMETH THE WICKED ONE,
AND CATCHETH AWAY
THAT WHICH WAS SOWN IN HIS HEART.
THIS IS HE WHICH
RECEIVED SEED BY THE WAY SIDE.
20. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED THE SEED
INTO STONY PLACES,
THE SAME IS HE
THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND ANON WITH JOY
RECEIVETH IT;
21. 'YET HATH HE NOT
ROOT IN HIMSELF,
BUT DURETH FOR A WHILE:
FOR WHEN TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION
ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD,
BY AND BY HE IS OFFENDED.
22. 'HE ALSO THAT RECEIVED
SEED AMONG THE THORNS
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD;
AND THE CARE OF THIS WORLD,
AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES,
CHOKE THE WORD,
AND HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL.
23. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED SEED
INTO THE GOOD GROUND
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT;
WHICH ALSO BEARETH FRUIT,
AND BRINGETH FORTH,
SOME AN HUNDREDFOLD,
SOME SIXTY, SOME THIRTY.' "

THE TERM YAHSHUA IS DEPICTED AS USING FOR THE WORD "WORD" IS VERY SPECIFIC: LOGOS: THE RECORDED WORD.

This is "THE WORD-THAT-IS-GOD:"

. [color=#990000]JOHN 1:1-4,9.

IN THE Beginning was The Word,
and The Word was with God,
and The Word was God.
2. The same was in The Beginning with God.
3. All things were made by Him;
and without Him was not any thing made
that was made.
4. In Him was Life;
and The Life was The Light of Men.
9. That was The True Light,
Which lighteth every man
that cometh into The World.

THE LOGOS IS AN SPIRITUAL ENERGY IMAGE OF SPECIFIC COMPOSITION.

All things are made of these IMAGES.

The LOGOS of anything is its ABSOLUTE TRUTH that GENERATES everything that MANIFESTS about it.

It is HOW GOD CREATED IT in The Beginning.

The PRIME LOGOS- that is GOD created all things by creating modified duplicates of Himself.

HUMANS are duplicates that STILL LOOK LIKE HIM.

The LOGION do not have a SIZE, SHAPE, COLOUR, WEIGHT, MASS, LOCATION IN TIME NOR IN SPACE, TEMPERATURE, nor any other PHYSICAL PROPERTY. But they can create all of those MANIFEST EFFECTS. They are ALIVE and SENTIENT in their own right.

HUMANS have the capability of creating LOGION SPIRITUAL ENERGY IMAGES.

We can create Logion and manifest them on SIX LEVELS OF EXISTENCE:

1. BELIEFS; 2. THOUGHTS; 3. WORDS; 4. PHYSICAL ACTIONS; 5. SPIRITS; 6. TOTAL UNDERSTANDING.

YAHSHUA SAID that there are FOUR CLASSES OF PEOPLE who HEAR THE LOGOS WORDS OF GOD- therefore, there are FOUR CLASSES OF POSSIBLE RESULTS:

4. ABUNDANT SUCCESS.
3. SCANT SUCCESS.
2. FAILURE
1. TOTAL REJECTION.

Our NATURAL, DEFAULT CLASS is determined at our conception, by the MEAN of the classes of our parents at the time.

It is DIFFICULT to alter our class, positively or negatively- but it CAN be done.

The Technique of cultivating SPIRITUAL POWER with a view to attaining the Highest Class is called by THE NEW SEERS, who trained CARLOS CASTANEDA, THE WAY OF THE WARRIOR. It involves the deliberate use of SIX ATTRIBUTES:

1. CONTROL; 2. DISCIPLINE; 3. FORBEARANCE; 4. TIMING; 5. WILL; 6. A TYRANNICAL OPPRESSOR.

The last attribute is not part of the Warrior, and must be obtained from without.

Ideally, this is a person who has the literal power of life-and-death over the Warrior.

THE NEW SEERS found that if they used the first five attributes to handle trying to survive under a person who could just kill them on a whim- such that, they work to ensure that that such a whim never occurs- the better they became at navigating the Spiritual Realm, and obtaining results.

That is to say: PERSECUTION IS ESSENTIAL FOR SPIRITUAL GROWTH.

That is to say: IF ONE DOES NOT SUBMIT TO PERSECUTION, ONE CANNOT GROW SPIRITUALLY.

However, the WARRIOR must ALWAYS REMEMBER that PERSECUTION is NOT the GOAL- it is merely the ROAD to the GOAL.

WARRIORS are NOT supposed to SUCCUMB to persecution, but rather OVERCOME IT.

FALSE TEACHERS claim that getting oneself KILLED for THE FAITH is a COMMENDABLE GOAL.

Therefore, a LOT of THE BEST OF HUMANITY died STUPIDLY, thinking that they had SUCCEEDED by DYING FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS- whereas, in actual fact, THEY FAILED.

A little doubt, and that's NO longer faith.

FAITH involves SEEING THE LOGOS IMAGE of what God has PROVIDED:

. JOHN 5:16-20.

16. And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus,
and sought to slay him,
because he had done these things
on the Sabbath Day.
17. But Jesus answered them,
"My Father Worketh hitherto,
and I Work."
18. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him,
because he not only had broken the Sabbath,
but said also that God was his Father,
making himself equal with God.
19. Then answered Jesus and said unto them,
"Verily, verily, I say unto you,

'THE SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF,
BUT WHAT HE SEETH THE FATHER DO:'

for what things soever He doeth,
these also doeth the Son likewise.
20. "For The Father loveth the Son,
and sheweth him all things
that Himself doeth:
and he will shew him
Greater Works than these,
that ye may marvel."

FAITH IS THEREFORE THE PERCEPTION OF THE LOGOS OF GOD'S PROMISE.

The Mind creates logion to store perceptions, including thoughts, and memories.

DOUBT is therefore the introduction of ANOTHER LOGOS from that which GOD Provides.

Therefore the issue is CONCENTRATION.

To make FAITH work, one's mind must create the one image desired, and none of the ones not desired.

Faith, fear and doubt are inward things. There4 no one else can know it except the man himself.

REALLY? WHO TOLD YOU THAT?

. MATTHEW 7:1-6.

"JUDGE not, that ye be not judged.
2. "For with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete,
it shall be measured to you again.
3. "And why beholdest thou the mote
that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam
that is in thine own eye?
4. "Or how wilt thou say to thy brother,

'LET ME PULL OUT THE MOTE
OUT OF THINE EYE;'

and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5. "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam
out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly
to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6. "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls before swine,
lest they trample them under their feet,
and turn again and rend you."

YAHSHUA SPECIFICALLY COMMANDED THAT BEFORE PEOPLE GO MEDDLING IN THE LIVES OF OTHERS, THAT THEY SHOULD GAIN THE ABILITY TO SEE CLEARLY. That is not a SUGGESTION: its a COMMANDMENT.

No. I have not done that.

If you think that that is an excuse for not accepting correction from me, try to think how you would feel, if I knew everything there was to know about you, and preached from that standpoint?

Let me help you out, and tell you, that your FREEDOM OF CHOICE would be ERASED.

I am not in a hurry to do that to anyone.

You can't account for another man whether he had faith or NOT. Why? Because you never can tell whether he had a little doubt.

Even with my impaired Powers of Perception, I can tell whether a person has FAITH-IN-GOD or not.

It is EASY!

. LUKE 6:27-49.

27. "But I say unto you which hear,

'LOVE YOUR ENEMIES,
DO GOOD TO THEM
WHICH HATE YOU,
28. 'BLESS THEM THAT CURSE YOU,
AND PRAY FOR THEM
WHICH DESPITEFULLY USE YOU.
29. 'AND UNTO HIM
THAT SMITETH THEE
ON THE ONE CHEEK
OFFER ALSO THE OTHER;
AND HIM THAT
TAKETH AWAY THY CLOAK
FORBID NOT TO TAKE
THY COAT ALSO.
30. 'GIVE TO EVERY MAN
THAT ASKETH OF THEE;
AND OF HIM
THAT TAKETH AWAY THY GOODS
ASK THEM NOT AGAIN.
31. 'AND AS YE WOULD THAT
MEN SHOULD DO TO YOU,
DO YE ALSO
TO THEM LIKEWISE.'

32. "For if ye love them which love you,
what thank have ye?
for Sinners also love those that love them.
33. "And if ye do good to them
which do good to you,
what thank have ye?
For Sinners also do even the same.
34. "And if ye lend to them
of whom ye hope to receive,
what thank have ye?
For Sinners also lend to sinners,
to receive as much again.
35. "But love ye your enemies,
and do good,
and lend,
hoping for nothing again;
and your Reward shall be great,
and ye shall be
The Children of the Highest:
for He is kind unto the unthankful
and to the Evil.
36. "Be ye therefore merciful,
as your Father also is Merciful.
37. "Judge not,
and ye shall not be judged:
condemn not,
and ye shall not be Condemned:
forgive,
and ye shall be Forgiven:
38. "Give, and it shall be given unto you;
good measure,
pressed down,
and shaken together,
and running over,
shall men give into your bosom.
For with the same measure
that ye mete withal
it shall be measured to you again."
39. And he spake a Parable unto them,
"Can the blind lead the blind?
shall they not both fall into the ditch?
40. "The disciple is not above his master:
but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
41. "And why beholdest thou the mote
that is in thy brother's eye,
but perceivest not
the beam that is in
thine own eye?
42. "Either how canst thou
say to thy brother,

'BROTHER, LET ME PULL OUT
THE MOTE THAT IS
IN THINE EYE,'

when thou thyself beholdest not
the beam that is in thine own eye?
Thou Hypocrite, cast out first
the beam out of thine own eye,
and then shalt thou see clearly
to pull out the mote
that is in thy brother's eye.
43. "For a good tree
bringeth not forth corrupt fruit;
neither doth a corrupt tree
bring forth good fruit.
44. "For every tree
is known by his own fruit.
For of thorns men do not gather figs,
nor of a bramble bush
gather they grapes.
45. "A Good Man
out of the Good Treasure of his heart
bringeth forth that which is Good;
and an Evil Man
out of the Evil Treasure of his heart
bringeth forth that which is Evil:
for of the abundance of the heart
his mouth speaketh.
46. "And why call ye me, 'Lord, Lord,'
and do not the things which I say?
47. "Whosoever cometh to me,
and heareth my sayings, and doeth them,
I will shew you to whom he is like:
48. "He is like a man which built an house,
and digged deep,
and laid the foundation on a rock:
and when the flood arose,
the stream beat vehemently
upon that house,
and could not shake it:
for it was founded upon a rock.
49. "But he that heareth, and doeth not,
is like a man that without a foundation
built an house upon the earth;
against which the stream
did beat vehemently,
and immediately it fell;
and the ruin of that house was great."

WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW SOMETHING CRUCIAL, THEY SAY: "WE DON'T KNOW; DOES ANYONE ELSE?" AND SHUT UP.

When EVIL PEOPLE do not know something crucial, THEY PRETEND THAT THEIR IGNORANCE IS A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE MISSING KNOWLEDGE!

They INVENT Laws and Fields that DO NOT EXIST- WHICH TOTALLY PROHIBIT anyone else from being able to find Solution to Problems THEY DECREE to be IMPOSSIBLE.

These Scriptures I have cited: DID YOU KNOW THEM BEFORE?

They tell how to know whether someone has FAITH or not.

They tell you how you can know what is in their heart.

THE WORDS OUT OF THEIR MOUTH TELL YOU WHAT IS IN THEIR HEART.

As a SCIENTOLOGY student, I would add also that EVIL THOUGHTS are LIVING BEINGS in their own right.

When you are trying to EXTRACT them, THEY FIGHT BACK.

The THINKER who CREATED them has no say in this matter!

When you SEE CLEARLY into someone- whether they told you their Secrets or not, YOU CAN TELL THESE EVIL THOUGHT ENTITIES TO LEAVE- and they WILL leave. YAHSHUA did this ALL the time. How did you think that he did it?

You think that there are no LAWS to these Operations? No SPECIAL TECHNIQUES to learn?

When you don't have Extrasensory Perception, you cannot go STRAIGHT to the ROOT CAUSE of the Problem in counselling someone- which you really should not be doing. But there are oblique Lines of Inquiry where you can sneak up on the Evil Thought Entity that was hiding from your probing..

[To be Concluded.]