Mememan:

Silly ideology
So, you needs a human sacrifice to appease him right? And the only one that could even make him happy is "his begotten son"?
Rubbish!

What do you guys even mean by human sacrifice? A leader or would be king who gives up himself for his community, is that a human sacrifice? Ayam not understanding.

Jesus Christ dying for man’s sin has its origin in the ancient concept of offering human sacrifices to a deity.

Horus:
Jesus Christ dying for man’s sin has its origin in the ancient concept of offering human sacrifices to a deity.

So how was this a human sacrifice? Were the Romans offering Jesus as a human sacrifice or they were simply giving him the death of rebels?

thinkmoney:

My brother for your sake and others, pls stop propagating the teaching of the Devil unwittingly. The bible clearly teaches that God and Jesus are two different being God his the FATHER, while Jesus is the SON.
To further understand this, the story of Abraham and Isaac was a pointer to the sacrifial death of Christ.
Was Isaac the same as Abraham? Did they have the same authority?
The king James version as some shortcomings about its translation. Its an old translation, written in an old English language and at a time when ability to research as not improve to the level we have now.
Mind you the original word of God is unchangeable and it influence never wane.
I love you.

My brother, I humbly submit you are the one in GRAVE DANGER of the same error of those that killed Jesus!

John 10: 30 I and my father are one ....
John 10: 38 ...the Father is in Me and I in Him.

The last portion explains what it means to be one (or same) with God. It is inability to understand or accept this concept that made them crucify Jesus, thinking He blasphemed!

Going by your analogy of Abraham and Isaac, my answer is yes -they are the same. This is why Christians can boldly sing the war song
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob;
Jehovah the Man of WAR;
His Blessings endureth for ever and ever;
O praise His Holy Name!

Every Jew saw the three as one and a continuum! They have too many things in common for you to be able to differentiate them!

kilo4sure:

So how was this a human sacrifice? Were the Romans offering Jesus as a human sacrifice or they were simply giving him the death of rebels?

It was a Cruci-Fction

Adonis3:


Anyone who calls the "Death" of Jesus the "greatest" gift and sacrifice ever is only deceiving himself.


Oh yes, he was God's only son. But then, he allowed him to die knowing he had the power to raise him.

Doesn't seem like a sacrifice to me.





#Adonis3HasSpoken

He went through a lot of pains

Only islam is perfected,answers all question and solution to humanity.

josielewa:

he has the power to lay his life and take it back....then where is the sacrifice...he cant die...can a spirit die...its only the flesh that died..he was a spirit dwelling in flesh

The sacrifice is in accepting to do it. No man can do that . No man can relinquish his power for a day

Dd09:
Only islam is perfected,answers all question and solution to humanity.

We are not in search for a religion that answers all questions, but that makes us ask more questions.
Not everything is as it seems.

Zenithpeak:




Nothing is confusing about the whole thing!

Since cruxifiction and ressurection the blood of JESUS become the standard upon which forgiveness can stand. Because, where there is no shedding of blood, there is no remmission of sin.

God gave us the doctrine of forgiveness and demostrated it through Christ. If any man chooses to do the same(forgives) he (God) ratifies and consider it as an act of faith.

But this is basically considering man's sins against God....but what about man's sin against his fellow man? What blood has to be/is/has been shed for the remission of those sins?

neocortex:


What a rhetorical question!
God did it of course.

How did God do it?

kilo4sure:

So how was this a human sacrifice? Were the Romans offering Jesus as a human sacrifice or they were simply giving him the death of rebels?

Are you crediting the Romans for the killing or saying God gave his only begotten son as a sacrifice?

Christian should stop using begotten son 4 ur son of god,cos is meant for bisex insects.pls y our Christian Brothers don't call Israel, Adam etc dat is inside scripture called (son of God) son of God but only Jesus.

kilo4sure:

What do you guys even mean by human sacrifice? A leader or would be king who gives up himself for his community, is that a human sacrifice? Ayam not understanding.

Use your brain or don't quote ne again!

Why was Jesus crucified?

For what purpose?

Why should Jesus be sacrificed before "God" forgives "our" sins?

Why must the blood of "his begotten son" be spilled first (by humans God himself is angry with) before he forgives those sinners?

IF THE CRUCIFIXION WAS PLANNED AND JESUS WAS AWARE OF IT, WHY DID HE STILL SAY "WHY HAVE THOU FORSAKEN ME" ON THE CROSS

PLEASE USE...

HomoDroid:


My brother, I humbly submit you are the one in GRAVE DANGER of the same error of those that killed Jesus!

John 10: 30 I and my father are one ....
John 10: 38 ...the Father is in Me and I in Him.

The last portion explains what it means to be one (or same) with God. It is inability to understand or accept this concept that made them crucify Jesus, thinking He blasphemed!

Going by your analogy of Abraham and Isaac, my answer is yes -they are the same. This is why Christians can boldly sing the war song
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob;
Jehovah the Man of WAR;
His Blessings endureth for ever and ever;
O praise His Holy Name!

Every Jew saw the three as one and a continuum! They have too many things in common for you to be able to differentiate them!

My brother I am responding to ur reply not to win argument, but because of the love of God.
First, I had pointed out that KGV of the bible needscserious work on it, still when you read it with logic and open mind, you will still understand it, especially if you compare a topic with other part of the bible that speak on a similar topic.
An example of a part of the bible that can help to explain the "I and my father are one" is john 17 from vers e 11. Here Jesus was praying and asking God to make his disciples one, just like him and God are one. Logic will tell you here that Jesus prayer isnt to make is 12 disciples morph into one single entity, but his prayer is for them to be united just-and now note Jesus used "just" like him and God her united. This exactly is what Jesus mean in that john 10:30, 38. Me and my father are in union (instead of my father is in me)will be a more appropriate translation now, which is exactly the way other modern translations render it.
Jesus further clarify his relationship with God in that same john 10: 36; he told those who wanted to stone him that "do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said I am Gods Son?"
Lastly you suprised me the way you morphed Abraham, Isaac and Jecob together. Don't we pray now "the God of Babalola, Kumuyi and Adeboye? Yes you can say this people are united in their believe about and worship of God, but does it mean they are one entity? People that like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob leaved in different time and are definitely going to die differently? KAI my brother, be careful!!!,

Activa:


How did God do it?

You should ask your pastor or the holy spirit you believed in.

bamidelee:

don't mind them they call some people terrorists
I wonder why sins can't be forgiven before sins can be erased
another thing is xtian females wear skimpy clothes are they telling they're emulating the mother of their Lord.

Father forgive him for he knows not what he is doing

Dd09:
Only islam is perfected,answers all question and solution to humanity.

It answers questions of Mohammed marrying the woman who raised him abi n Dat u should kill anyone who does not believe in ur god allah abiii

Mememan:

Use your brain or don't quote ne again!

Why was Jesus crucified?

For what purpose?

Why should Jesus be sacrificed before "God" forgives "our" sins?

Why must the blood of "his begotten son" be spilled first (by humans God himself is angry with) before he forgives those sinners?

IF THE CRUCIFIXION WAS PLANNED AND JESUS WAS AWARE OF IT, WHY DID HE STILL SAY "WHY HAVE THOU FORSAKEN ME" ON THE CROSS

PLEASE USE...

Meaningless rant, you still haven't answered the question, what is the so called bloody human sacrifice in a leader giving up himself for his people? How can giving oneself as a ransom for many become a purposeful human sacrifice when it is clear he died on the charge that he claimed to be a king and was killed by God's enemies? So who sacrificed who and to whom?

josielewa:

he has the power to lay his life and take it back....then where is the sacrifice...he cant die...can a spirit die...its only the flesh that died..he was a spirit dwelling in flesh

He was 100% spirit and 100% man
N because he was 100% Man he died and because he is 100% spirit (God) He rose again

dalaman:

The tale said he was sacrificed by God not men.

bros na lie be that one...the tale says "we thought of Him smitten by God..."

kingsouthie:

bros na lie be that one...the tale says "we thought of Him smitten by God..."

Don't mind these people, l don't know where they get all these stories from, rebutting invented tales of their own making.

sonmvayina:


When, The LORD sent Jonah to Nineveh, with a threat that if they don't change their ways he was going to destroy them. They repented and forsake their evil ways..God forgave them and took back the punishment..so forgiveness was possible with the sacrifice of blood..
Except you tell me, God did not actually forgave them fully..that is what I won't believe.

God forgived them
But if u read through the Old Testament you would see that Once in a year the high priest goes into the holy of holies with a cleansed blood Of an animal to intercede for the people n himself so that God will forgive them for their sins.
But coming to the New Testament in order to link man with God, Christ came down and made a once for all Sacrifice so that no blood of animal will continually be shed for the forgiveness of sins

sonmvayina:


When, The LORD sent Jonah to Nineveh, with a threat that if they don't change their ways he was going to destroy them. They repented and forsake their evil ways..God forgave them and took back the punishment..so forgiveness was possible with the sacrifice of blood..
Except you tell me, God did not actually forgave them fully..that is what I won't believe.

My brother, the sin of Nineveh is a sin that is possible because of the original sin. Nineveh signed albeit to a great degree like many people do sin daily, even righteous people of bible time.
The original sin, that as made everyone weak in flesh, and that has everlasting damnation as it consequence is what made Christ come.
Everyone both the righteous and the unrighteous will die. But no one would have had the hope of resurrection if Christ didn't give is life.
May God bless u

neocortex:

You should ask your pastor or the holy spirit you believed in.

Just admit you don't know the answer.

Activa:


Just admit you don't know the answer.

Please stop the quotes, I don't engage with trolls.

neocortex:


Please stop the quotes, I don't engage with trolls.

You're the troll.

Activa:


Are you crediting the Romans for the killing or saying God gave his only begotten son as a sacrifice?

Actually the Romans killed Jesus but God's people the Jews considered him smitten of God (isaiah 53)because they believed he was false. All God did was to turn the ugly situation into a victorious one, vindicating him by raising him from the dead and making his sacrifice worthwhile, his death then paves the way to the new covenant

Demigods666:
Na today you know say the Bible god na blood thirsty god?

But the deluded xtians are too deluded to see this.

How many of your family blood has he sucked? ... Or its yours He is sucking

God gave up the most valuable one he has for us to be saved, and later took back what he sacrificed and yet they tagged it a sacrifice









Temporal sacrifice hehehehe never heard of that

RosaConsidine:


But this is basically considering man's sins against God....but what about man's sin against his fellow man? What blood has to be/is/has been shed for the remission of those sins?

JESUS CHRIST has died once and his blood is eternal propitation for all sins, either man against God or man against his fellow man.

He has become the high priest forever. So man can stand on the potency of the blood JESUS to forgive other man and also receive forgiveness from man and it will be valid.

Just believe you have forgiveness through Christ and stand unshakeably on it. Satan will try to play some pranks on you but remember the book of Romans 8 vs 2


Romans 8:2 KJV
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


And Romans 8 vs 1

Romans 8:1 KJV
There is therefore NOW no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


I deliberately quoted 'vs2' before 'vs1'


Because the law of sin and of death is a potent operative mechanism in the spiritual relm, so 'v2' must be your platform to access / enjoy 'vs1' with God or man one sling short give you the victory.

TheLordIsGr8:


Existence is God's nature. It is in his nature to exist. But for man, that is not the case. Think of it this way.

The world as we see and know it is a thought in mind of God. Apart from God, the world would not exist, because it is not in the nature of the world to exist. But because its in the nature of God to exist, what he "thinks" takes on a life of its own and comes into be-ing. So while Jesus is man, if he had ceased to "think" of the world for one moment, everything would vaporize.

I'm sure you've sometimes conjured up a fanciful world in your imagination only for it to vaporize when the thought of food hits you. It happens because its not in your nature to exist. But you may go one step further and put your thoughts on paper and on tv. But that world cannot take a life of its own. A writer may construct elaborate characters, but at the end, the only life they have is that which the writer allows them. He puts thoughts in their minds and words in their mouth.

But the situation is radically different in the case of humanity. We and our world have a life of its own. We and our world exist. We grow; we have thoughts of our own and words of our own. We have free will. Even Jesus underwent this process


Jesus's becoming man did not take anything away from his being God. He still governs the world.

The problem arises only if you see the "God" Jesus and the "man" Jesus as separate beings**. No they are one nature now.
I can draw an analogy from chemistry. When you mix two elements, you often end up with a compound which is radically different from its constituent elements.
Take the sexual act for example. Two people engage in intercourse, and 9 months later, they become so one that that oneness takes on a life of its own. It is no longer "two" separate entities: a sperm and an egg.



But mind you, all of these are just an attempt to make sense of what we don't fully comprehend. The human mind abhors the mysterious, so it tries to penetrate the veil of deep mysteries. Even the coming of Jesus itself was a significant pulling away of the veil of mystery.


But then, if we understand him, then, he is not God. The mother may know her son through and through, but not vice versa.



But the joy of the Christian is that



** (this is actually a heresy that has been dealt with in the past. I can't remember the exact name now, but you can find resources here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_heresies and here http://www.conservapedia.com/Category:Heresies)

guy you're writing your own desires