themonk:
The way people conclude on certain things is disturbing, just because you weren't born gay doesn't mean the next person isn't born gay. maybe your gay activities were influenced by environment but some people were born in such a way they are only attracted to their sex or both sexes. most gays even display characters that suggest this from childhood, some guys that display girl-like characters turn out to be homosexual and same for girls too.

I always tell people if pastors say gays are demon possessed they should go and find gays around the world and cast out those demons or else forever remain silent, it is pathetic that because Nigeria is a over religious country we applaud anti-gay laws. if only you feel the way these people feel, someone denying you the privilege of your sexual orientation and all that. its just like black people centuries ago when whites denied that we are just as human as they are and used this lie to justify slavery and subject us to animal-like conditions. if you feel bad when someone calls you a monkey, you shouldn't relegate gays.

saying nobody is born gay is ridiculous because there are other 1,500 different species that practice homosexuality, can we say they are not born gay too?

PS: i am not gay and i am not anti-gay. i stand for justice for all.

There is actually no genuine scientific publication that explicitly states that people are born 'gay' or 'lesbian'. The few studies that gave such insinuations have been flawed by scientific facts. As a science researcher myself, I am of the opinion that being 'born gay' cannot be proven, and should not need to be proven. Homosexuality is a behavior, earlier researchers call it a mental disorder, and I kind of agree. The whole 'born this way' argument was used by homosexuality activists in the late 80s and early 90s. After over 20 years of pressured scientific researches, the American Psychiatric Association released this in year 2000:

“Currently, there is a renewed interest in searching for biological etiologies for homosexuality.However, to date there are no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality.”

We all have the resources to educate ourselves on this issue, although it is inevitable that the media will only publish results that fit their narratives. If I publish a watery article on being born gay tomorrow, I can be guaranteed an interview on BBC within a week, even if the whole article is just hypothetical guess work with no empirical evidence.
In fact, nowadays, homosexual activists are deviating from the born this way argument because it has served its purpose in the West and recent scientific researches find it to be completely unproven.

themonk:

i am not gay, ive been on nairaland for years and all i do is chyke women. you can go through my posts
dont becloud your reasoning.

do you know that it has been discovered that psychopaths are born and not made?
i really don't like the fact that people are born gay because it threatens the sustainability of the human race but since they are here, we shouldn't make them feel bad

that you chase women could be a front or make you on the down low, plus I must tell you that whatever research that claimed that psychopaths are born is a subjective research, such should never be taken seriously. any research where you start from a conclusion and seek truths that prove them is subjective and even Jesus can be proved to not be the Messiah from such endeavours. homosexuals are never born, it was a deviant which is now being encouraged to become main stream. it goes against nature and that argument that says animals do it is crazy. because animals including humans are subjective to conditions, Eg incest, cannibalism, etc have been observed in all animals including humans based to subjective beliefs to things like culture, religion and terrible circumstances. thus should we also encourage cannibals? incest lover's, paedophiles, rapists? or we should encourage them because they could be born with it. or haven't you heard some women love being raped ? yet all acts of rape is a crime. whether enjoyed or not. that's how decent society works. because homosexuals and their offspring have pervaded the west thanks to their poor parenting skills, we must not copy those ills here in Africa. doing so proves our mental slavery to the dictates of the white men.

free2ryhme:



When she said nobody was born gay she meant human being not animals insects or the likes

what facts does she have to support this prove? is she everybody?

themonk:
The way people conclude on certain things is disturbing, just because you weren't born gay doesn't mean the next person isn't born gay. maybe your gay activities were influenced by environment but some people were born in such a way they are only attracted to their sex or both sexes. most gays even display characters that suggest this from childhood, some guys that display girl-like characters turn out to be homosexual and same for girls too.

I always tell people if pastors say gays are demon possessed they should go and find gays around the world and cast out those demons or else forever remain silent, it is pathetic that because Nigeria is a over religious country we applaud anti-gay laws. if only you feel the way these people feel, someone denying you the privilege of your sexual orientation and all that. its just like black people centuries ago when whites denied that we are just as human as they are and used this lie to justify slavery and subject us to animal-like conditions. if you feel bad when someone calls you a monkey, you shouldn't relegate gays.

saying nobody is born gay is ridiculous because there are other 1,500 different species that practice homosexuality, can we say they are not born gay too?

PS: i am not gay and i am not anti-gay. i stand for justice for all.

well I wonder if half of d world's population were gay n existed in a country of dias exclusively, after a 100yrs dey will b totally wiped out by dia own making, simple.
So the one u r saying born attracted to d same sex, haba Wat r parents for na
No b to correct d false idea Dat u r attracted to d same sex ni.
Just like saying from birth I've always loved playing with fire cos I feel I was born da way, one day it Wil burn me beyond recognition n nobody go tell me say fire dey burn person

olapluto:


There is actually no genuine scientific publication that explicitly states that people are born 'gay' or 'lesbian'. The few studies that gave such insinuations have been flawed by scientific facts. As a science researcher myself, I am of the opinion that being 'born gay' cannot be proven, and should not need to be proven. Homosexuality is a behavior, earlier researchers call it a mental disorder, and I kind of agree. The whole 'born this way' argument was used by homosexuality activists in the late 80s and early 90s. After over 20 years of pressured scientific researches, the American Psychiatric Association released this in year 2000:


We all have the resources to educate ourselves on this issue, although it is inevitable that the media will only publish results that fit their narratives. If I publish a watery article on being born gay tomorrow, I can be guaranteed an interview on BBC within a week, even if the whole article is just hypothetical guess work with no empirical evidence.
In fact, nowadays, homosexual activists are deviating from the born this way argument because it has served its purpose in the West and recent scientific researches find it to be completely unproven.

there is no evidence that people are not born gay too, has there been any correlation with gay and any behavior that characterizes mental illness?

themonk:

we are not animals but why would god even make animals gay?

Why will God Mk animals v sex with there family member, mother nd son, father and daughter, grand dad nd grand daughter.. All this are considered taboo to humans, tho in some places its not.. Brother, why on earth are u comparing ur sef with an animal.. To what level will u go to prove that what I think is correct.. Hp u know we v animals that dnt v a sex, dey just do everything within dem. So now ask God why did he create man and woman wherein he can just give Adam every thing he need to produce and multiply.. U know eve wasn't kinda not in his plan but he noticed that man felt alone.. He didn't even tot of making another Adam with sane sex as the other, he made an Adam with a different sex which the grist Adam saw an name her eve cos she was brought out of him... All dis am saying is because u claim u blive in God of the bible.. I hv doubt. I really dnt v any issues with gay, but bro come to think of how they r try so hard to force it down on every body.. From advert to Hollywood movies to forcing it to the church.. The devil is not sleeping at all. If u refuse to wed or gv communion to a gay person he can suit d pastor, know that the church were suppose to v that right to wed or not to.. But these pple in power r do there very best for their master.. If u talk abt god now in the western world u are seen like a fool.. So why on earth again I ask do u want to reason with pple who blive there isnt any god who has already given the woman a virgina and man a dick to v sex.. See bro, in every logical sense what is the sense in gay..

tintingz:
Some people are born gay.

And this is still a debate.


Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2015/jul/24/gay-genes-science-is-on-the-right-track-were-born-this-way-lets-deal-with-it

There is no debate. There is wishful thinking and there is scientific facts. As a researcher, you can postulate anything. It doesnt mean you will have enough empirical findings to back it up. As much as homosexuals (especially western governments) want to blackmail science into providing a proof for being 'born gay', there is still no single study, or even a review of favourable studies that support the born gay notion. What we have had is unverifiable claims and non repeatable experiments that have always been refuted by more factual science. For example, I read a study few years ago about children raised by gays and lesbians being more intelligent. The researchers conducted a series of interviews with the lesbian parents and asked questions like : Do you think children raised by lesbians will be smarter than others? duh! I mean what answers did they expect? Suffice to say the study was headlined on cable news worldwide with such a fickle research method.

themonk:

there is no evidence that people are not born gay too, has there been any correlation with gay and any behavior that characterizes mental illness?

Is prositution a sickness or a mental problem?

Gourdoinc:
that you chase women could be a front or make you on the down low, plus I must tell you that whatever research that claimed that psychopaths are born is a subjective research, such should never be taken seriously. any research where you start from a conclusion and seek truths that prove them is subjective and even Jesus can be proved to not be the Messiah from such endeavours. homosexuals are never born, it was a deviant which is now being encouraged to become main stream. it goes against nature and that argument that says animals do it is crazy. because animals including humans are subjective to conditions, Eg incest, cannibalism, etc have been observed in all animals including humans based to subjective beliefs to things like culture, religion and terrible circumstances. thus should we also encourage cannibals? incest lover's, paedophiles, rapists? or we should encourage them because they could be born with it. or haven't you heard some women love being raped ? yet all acts of rape is a crime. whether enjoyed or not. that's how decent society works. because homosexuals and their offspring have pervaded the west thanks to their poor parenting skills, we must not copy those ills here in Africa. doing so proves our mental slavery to the dictates of the white men.

you are so sure gays are not born.
you are so sure that psychopaths are made contrary to laboratory experiments.
you are so sure i am gay because i am not anti-gay.
all these you are sure of even without any facts

what else are you so sure of?

watch this sha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8o-5_Mx_f4

themonk:
The way people conclude on certain things is disturbing, just because you weren't born gay doesn't mean the next person isn't born gay. maybe your gay activities were influenced by environment but some people were born in such a way they are only attracted to their sex or both sexes. most gays even display characters that suggest this from childhood, some guys that display girl-like characters turn out to be homosexual and same for girls too.

I always tell people if pastors say gays are demon possessed they should go and find gays around the world and cast out those demons or else forever remain silent, it is pathetic that because Nigeria is a over religious country we applaud anti-gay laws. if only you feel the way these people feel, someone denying you the privilege of your sexual orientation and all that. its just like black people centuries ago when whites denied that we are just as human as they are and used this lie to justify slavery and subject us to animal-like conditions. if you feel bad when someone calls you a monkey, you shouldn't relegate gays.

saying nobody is born gay is ridiculous because there are other 1,500 different species that practice homosexuality, can we say they are not born gay too?

PS: i am not gay and i am not anti-gay. i stand for justice for all.

Nicely said my dear.

themonk:

you are so sure gays are not born.
you are so sure that psychopaths are made contrary to laboratory experiments.
you are so sure i am gay because i am not anti-gay.
all these you are sure of even without any facts

what else are you so sure of?

watch this sha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8o-5_Mx_f4

I don't need to watch that video to tell you it has no content. learn to think for yourself without google. any idiot can have a theory indexed on Google and make a video to support his claims. you are a human being and supposedly with understanding of your own. proof your points without bringing LGBT friendly research. the same place you got the video, I could get you videos that disprove your theory. do you see why I say it's subjective research? it has no value. because people start from the conclusion they desire and get lots of theories to support their erroneous assertions and such should not be taken seriously. if you want to have an objective talk, as a human being and thank fully gay, why not answer the questions I posed based on your understanding. I love original discourse not garbage facts dug up from the internet which was put forward by proponents of a foolish ideology. do you understand me now? am listening

themonk:

there is no evidence that people are not born gay too, has there been any correlation with gay and any behavior that characterizes mental illness?

1. Yes there are no evidence that people are not born gay. There needs not be that kind of argument anyways. Evolution is the best answer for that. Put 10 committed gays and 10 committed lesbians on an isolated island and see how many generations they live. Do same for heterosexuals and record the results.
2. There are many correlations between homosexuality and mental illness. By the definitions of mental illness, homosexuality has always ticked most of the boxes for mental illness. In fact, for male homosexuality where sodomy is the drive, there is tendency for paedophilia. Most gay men tick the box. The fact that the gay man needs fresh supply of 'tight' holes for sodomy will drive them to molest children.

I found this recent review that is scientifically balanced. You can have a read.
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/docLib/20160819_TNA50SexualityandGender.pdf

If you do not get the pdf access, I can email you the full version. Read the FIRST major finding of the report:

The understanding of sexual orientation as an innate, biologically fixed property of human beings—the idea that people are “born that way”—is not supported by scientific evidence.
● While there is evidence that biological factors such as genes and hormones are associated with sexual behaviors and attractions, there are no compelling causal biological explanations for human sexual orientation. While minor differences in the brain structures and brain activity between homosexual and heterosexual individuals have been identified by researchers, such neurobiological findings do not demonstrate whether these differences are innate

MrCEO69:


Why will God Mk animals v sex with there family member, mother nd son, father and daughter, grand dad nd grand daughter.. All this are considered taboo to humans, tho in some places its not.. Brother, why on earth are u comparing ur sef with an animal.. To what level will u go to prove that what I think is correct.. Hp u know we v animals that dnt v a sex, dey just do everything within dem. So now ask God why did he create man and woman wherein he can just give Adam every thing he need to produce and multiply.. U know eve wasn't kinda not in his plan but he noticed that man felt alone.. He didn't even tot of making another Adam with sane sex as the other, he made an Adam with a different sex which the grist Adam saw an name her eve cos she was brought out of him... All dis am saying is because u claim u blive in God of the bible.. I hv doubt. I really dnt v any issues with gay, but bro come to think of how they r try so hard to force it down on every body.. From advert to Hollywood movies to forcing it to the church.. The devil is not sleeping at all. If u refuse to wed or gv communion to a gay person he can suit d pastor, know that the church were suppose to v that right to wed or not to.. But these pple in power r do there very best for their master.. If u talk abt god now in the western world u are seen like a fool.. So why on earth again I ask do u want to reason with pple who blive there isnt any god who has already given the woman a virgina and man a dick to v sex.. See bro, in every logical sense what is the sense in gay..

what is considered taboo in some places is not considered taboo in other places, get that first. there are places where members of family marry each other. i asked you a simple question, if god hates gayism why would he make animals gay? it doesnt matter if animals are lesser than us or anything, why would he make 30 percent of ostriches gay and 70 percent not gay. and also we have some small percentage of humans as gay too. cant you see this suggests that it could be something biological.

BTW i am not christian, i dont know where you go that from.

themonk:
The way people conclude on certain things is disturbing, just because you weren't born gay doesn't mean the next person isn't born gay. maybe your gay activities were influenced by environment but some people were born in such a way they are only attracted to their sex or both sexes. most gays even display characters that suggest this from childhood, some guys that display girl-like characters turn out to be homosexual and same for girls too.

I always tell people if pastors say gays are demon possessed they should go and find gays around the world and cast out those demons or else forever remain silent, it is pathetic that because Nigeria is a over religious country we applaud anti-gay laws. if only you feel the way these people feel, someone denying you the privilege of your sexual orientation and all that. its just like black people centuries ago when whites denied that we are just as human as they are and used this lie to justify slavery and subject us to animal-like conditions. if you feel bad when someone calls you a monkey, you shouldn't relegate gays.

saying nobody is born gay is ridiculous because there are other 1,500 different species that practice homosexuality, can we say they are not born gay too?

PS: i am not gay and i am not anti-gay. i stand for justice for all.

Whether u r gay or not, doesn't make being gay a good thing . There is no justice for being gay. If our parents where gay, where would we be today??. Opposite attracts because God made it so, if you choose to be gay then fine but it still doesn't make it a good sexual orientation. It is called perversion. Like it or not, it is a Sin against God. Truth is bitter but we can do nothing against the truth but for d truth. I stand against perversion.

Gourdoinc:
I don't need to watch that video to tell you it has no content. learn to think for yourself without google. any idiot can have a theory indexed on Google and make a video to support his claims. you are a human being and supposedly with understanding of your own. proof your points without bringing LGBT friendly research. the same place you got the video, I could get you videos that disprove your theory. do you see why I say it's subjective research? it has no value. because people start from the conclusion they desire and get lots of theories to support their erroneous assertions and such should not be taken seriously. if you want to have an objective talk, as a human being and thank fully gay, why not answer the questions I posed based on your understanding. I love original discourse not garbage facts dug up from the internet which was put forward by proponents of a foolish ideology. do you understand me now? am listening

so a psychopath documentary is now an LGBT friendly video. man, i give up.

themonk:

what facts does she have to support this prove? is she everybody?

What proof do you have to support your claims of humans equating animals

themonk:

so a psychopath documentary is now an LGBT friendly video. man, i give up.

like I said I didn't bother watching the video. go to where you got that video from(google of course), type in the search box, videos that proof psychopaths were not born but a products of improper upbringing which could be Center d on child abandonment and loss of a parent figure, and come post such videos here. maybe from then you will stop watching these videos that one can't validate the results or the sanity of its creator

olapluto:

1. Yes there are no evidence that people are not born gay. There needs not be that kind of argument anyways. Evolution is the best answer for that. Put 10 committed gays and 10 committed lesbians on an isolated island and see how many generations they live. Do same for heterosexuals and record the results.
2. There are many correlations between homosexuality and mental illness. By the definitions of mental illness, homosexuality has always ticked most of the boxes for mental illness. In fact, for male homosexuality where sodomy is the drive, there is tendency for paedophilia. Most gay men tick the box. The fact that the gay man needs fresh supply of 'tight' holes for sodomy will drive them to molest children.

I found this recent review that is scientifically balanced. You can have a read.
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/docLib/20160819_TNA50SexualityandGender.pdf

If you do not get the pdf access, I can email you the full version. Read the FIRST major finding of the report:

why should we isolate gays in the first place? because you want to prove that they cannot be sustainable? it makes no sense at all. its shallow to do that.
okay lets agree being gay is a mental illness, is ADHD also a mental illness? and should people with ADHD be taken to another planet so we can check if they have enough intelligence to survive?

Gourdoinc:
like I said I didn't bother watching the video. go to where you got that video from(google of course), type in the search box, videos that proof psychopaths were not born but a products of improper upbringing which could be Center d on child abandonment and loss of a parent figure, and come post such videos here. maybe from then you will stop watching these videos that one can't validate the results or the sanity of its creator

you didnt bother watching the video and once again you are so sure it is LGBT friendly. this is not how to do things bro

free2ryhme:


What proof do you have to support your claims of humans equating animals

evolution makes us know that animals are our cousins and there are dozens of evidence for that

themonk:

you didnt bother watching the video and once again you are so sure it is LGBT friendly. this is not how to do things bro

it's clear you don't have a superior argument beyond that video I won't bother watching. so let there be peace while we maintain the status quo. gay is a criminal offence in Nigeria. gay isn't acceptable here in public, many gay's exist and so far it's kept within the confines of their bedrooms, we will have peace. any attempt to bring it out should face the full wrath of the law. it's an unafrican madness.

themonk:

you have presented no facts to support what you say, normal ranting

I repeat No body is born gay. I dont need any fact to proof that!!! Marriage is between male and female. To me anyone that needs facts to prove otherwise is really disturbed either mentally, psychologically or spiritually, . One day, we will have people who have sex with animals come to tell us that they have rights, since they have the right to sleep with anyone or thing they feel like.( it will all come to the same reason they are born to love animals abi?) then people like you will start fighting for their right. what is wrong is wrong. If it was right, they will no do it in hiding first and come out much later.

Probably you are a gay still in hiding.

themonk:

evolution makes us know that animals are our cousins and there are dozens of evidence for that

Which yeye evolution even Darwin claimed he was not sure about the evolution theory he propagated

So you evolution theory does not hold water

There is no evidence that links man to animals of even insects. They might have some physiological similarities but never equates man to animal

Gourdoinc:
it's clear you don't have a superior argument beyond that video I won't bother watching. so let there be peace while we maintain the status quo. gay is a criminal offence in Nigeria. gay isn't acceptable here in public, many gay's exist and so far it's kept within the confines of their bedrooms, we will have peace. any attempt to bring it out should face the full wrath of the law. it's an unafrican madness.

Bro, you presented no evidence.
i just didn't want to have any more arguments with you because you are so sure of everything you believe even without any facts at all.

olapluto:


There is no debate. There is wishful thinking and there is scientific facts. As a researcher, you can postulate anything. It doesnt mean you will have enough empirical findings to back it up. As much as homosexuals (especially western governments) want to blackmail science into providing a proof for being 'born gay', there is still no single study, or even a review of favourable studies that support the born gay notion. What we have had is unverifiable claims and non repeatable experiments that have always been refuted by more factual science. For example, I read a study few years ago about children raised by gays and lesbians being more intelligent. The researchers conducted a series of interviews with the lesbian parents and asked questions like : Do you think children raised by lesbians will be smarter than others? duh! I mean what answers did they expect? Suffice to say the study was headlined on cable news worldwide with such a fickle research method.

It is still a debate because there are experiment conducted to back up thier claims like the one I posted.

Even among animals there are gays, this is fact.

Does that said "people are not born gay" don't have any concrete experiment to back it up.

themonk:

Bro, you presented no evidence.
i just didn't want to have any more arguments with you because you are so sure of everything you believe even without any facts at all.

facts? facts you say. what determines some notion to be factual. internet videos? views on some internet blog simply because a white skinned person wrote it? what do you call facts. maybe when Dat is defined we might see where you misunderstood everything

MrCEO69:


Why will God Mk animals v sex with there family member, mother nd son, father and daughter, grand dad nd grand daughter.. All this are considered taboo to humans, tho in some places its not.. Brother, why on earth are u comparing ur sef with an animal.. To what level will u go to prove that what I think is correct.. Hp u know we v animals that dnt v a sex, dey just do everything within dem. So now ask God why did he create man and woman wherein he can just give Adam every thing he need to produce and multiply.. U know eve wasn't kinda not in his plan but he noticed that man felt alone.. He didn't even tot of making another Adam with sane sex as the other, he made an Adam with a different sex which the grist Adam saw an name her eve cos she was brought out of him... All dis am saying is because u claim u blive in God of the bible.. I hv doubt. I really dnt v any issues with gay, but bro come to think of how they r try so hard to force it down on every body.. From advert to Hollywood movies to forcing it to the church.. The devil is not sleeping at all. If u refuse to wed or gv communion to a gay person he can suit d pastor, know that the church were suppose to v that right to wed or not to.. But these pple in power r do there very best for their master.. If u talk abt god now in the western world u are seen like a fool.. So why on earth again I ask do u want to reason with pple who blive there isnt any god who has already given the woman a virgina and man a dick to v sex.. See bro, in every logical sense what is the sense in gay..

Is there any evidence that scriptural Adam and eve existed in the first place?

free2ryhme:


Which yeye evolution even Darwin claimed he was not sure about the evolution theory he propagated

So you evolution theory does not hold water

There is no evidence that links man to animals of even insects. They might have some physiological similarities but never equates man to animal

darwin saying he wasnt sure tells you how truthful he was, as at the time darwin existed there was no much evidence of evolution.
but today the evidence is enormous and darwins intlligent guess came out to be true, darwin got so many things right although he got most things about genetics wrong.
do you know that the discorvery of the DNA has proved darwin right. do you know that your DNA is only 1 percent different from that of an ape?

saying there is not evidence that links man to animals at this age is very disturbing

Gourdoinc:
facts? facts you say. what determines some notion to be factual. internet videos? views on some internet blog simply because a white skinned person wrote it? what do you call facts. maybe when Dat is defined we might see where you misunderstood everything

are you are christian?

themonk:
are you are christian?

here we go. let's say I am?

themonk:
[s]The way people conclude on certain things is disturbing, just because you weren't born gay doesn't mean the next person isn't born gay. maybe your gay activities were influenced by environment but some people were born in such a way they are only attracted to their sex or both sexes. most gays even display characters that suggest this from childhood, some guys that display girl-like characters turn out to be homosexual and same for girls too.

I always tell people if pastors say gays are demon possessed they should go and find gays around the world and cast out those demons or else forever remain silent, it is pathetic that because Nigeria is a over religious country we applaud anti-gay laws. if only you feel the way these people feel, someone denying you the privilege of your sexual orientation and all that. its just like black people centuries ago when whites denied that we are just as human as they are and used this lie to justify slavery and subject us to animal-like conditions. if you feel bad when someone calls you a monkey, you shouldn't relegate gays.[/s]

saying nobody is born gay is ridiculous because there are other 1,500 different species that practice homosexuality, can we say they are not born gay too?

PS: i am not gay and i am not anti-gay. i stand for justice for all.

I hate when someone gives excuse of animals to be gays, it's annoying. This is a great fallacy, lemme show how unreasonable that argument is:

1. When a praying-matis is mating, the female eats up the male. Should we now justify a woman to kill her male partners during sex, because people like this exist.

2. Dogs can mate anywhere, I hope you know this.

This is why you're human, you don't use actions of animals to justify your behaviors, and please nobody is born gay!