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Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by SmartyPants(m): 1:29am On Jun 19, 2017
adepeter26:

No true Scotsman fallacy


But archaic English and modern English were right when they said, "JESUS DIED AND ROSE AGAIN ABI?"

You must be a joker

Facepalm. What abuse of logic!!

The Bible was not written in English. It was written in Hebrew and translated into so many different versions of English.This is a fact. For you to reference the no true Scotsman fallacy means you simply do not understand what the no true Scotsman fallacy is about. It illustrates the subjective classification of a person or thing as lacking some quality simply because it does not behave in the way a person would like to prove that it does.

It is not subjective that the bible passage quoted earlier is indeed translated in archaic English. That is objective reality. It has nothing to do with what is said but rather with how you have interpreted it.

Archaic English is not different language from English altogether, and therefore it will mot always differ from current English. That is the objective fact.

So if it means something different from modern English in some places, it should not be expected to necessarily do so in all places.

That my friend, is the fallacy of composition.
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by oncoded(m): 4:17am On Jun 19, 2017
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible."
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by Oduology: 4:28am On Jun 19, 2017
is d bible full of fallacy? cos these people av been making reference to only bible.
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by new2012: 6:01am On Jun 19, 2017
Billyonaire:


You asked a question, yet you responded to it ? Your God has a God. The reason is simple. The God that Created Earth is not the same God that sequenced our DNA and produce the hybrid body we call Human Body. So, I do not understand why you are making unrealistic statement. Earth is a real planet so God is a real being, and it is in all us. God had to split into photons and populate all densities and dimensions living in diverse bodies of matter to experiences itself, its creation in the matrix. Photon can be distorted by electromagnetism of Earth so quanta had to be in Soul and Soul in a Body to proton our core from being stripped. So we are not our body, we are Spirit having physical Earth experience, so you are God, I am God, we all are.

Both of us are right, our perspectives might be different.

Man has not revealed this to you, but some diabolical demons.. The Eckanker-grail message shit!
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by whirlwind7(m): 6:21am On Jun 19, 2017
sonofluc1fer:
Good one, KingEbuka.

Now if only God, the omnipresent could just create an NL account and verify your claims, that'd be awesome.

One little miracle for my poor hell bound soul.

Do you know what's funny?

You do not believe God exists, yet you believe in lucifer. To the extent your moniker declares you to be his/her son. Isn't that weird?

I mean, the broad account we have of that persona was how he disobeyed God, and got banished from heaven. If you believe God doesn't exist, yet you believed that lucifer does, then you are mighty confused.

Ha! A wannabe.
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by hopefulLandlord: 6:25am On Jun 19, 2017
whirlwind7:


Do you know what's funny?

You do not believe God exists, yet you believe in lucifer. To the extent your moniker declares you to be his/her son. Isn't that weird?

I mean, the broad account we have of that persona was how he disobeyed God, and got banished from heaven. Of you believe God doesn't exist, yet you believed that lucifer does, then you are mighty confused.

Ha! A wannabe.

learn to read between the lines
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by Nobody: 6:47am On Jun 19, 2017
SmartyPants:


Facepalm. What abuse of logic!!

Maybe you could tell. Me how I abused logic. Anyways, still following

The Bible was not written in English. It was written in Hebrew and translated into so many different versions of English.

LOLLLL. Still following sha
This is a fact. For you to reference the no true Scotsman fallacy means you simply do not understand what the no true Scotsman fallacy is about. It illustrates the subjective classification of a person or thing as lacking some quality simply because it does not behave in the way a person would like to prove that it does.

All this your redefinition won't still change the obvious fallacy from what I quoted.
Anyways, I will save you the stress of back and forth lecturing by visiting the link below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
It is not subjective that the bible passage quoted earlier is indeed translated in archaic English.

That the problem with many of you Christians, when 1+1!=2, you try to formulate/shift the reason why 1+1!=2 and that's no true Scotsman fallacy. Trying to shift accepted conditions cos it no longer fits into your argument.
[s]That is objective reality. It has nothing to do with what is said but rather with how you have interpreted it. [/s]
Trash. Lol, now it's interpretation that matters? Ok, here is a question I have for you.
Did the archaic English agree with the modern English that Jesus died and rose again? Pls do answer this question

Archaic English is not different language from English altogether, and therefore it will mot always differ from current English. That is the objective fact.

Man, i tire for for twisting of terms oo. Hope you're OK.?
Its not a must to win arguments for YAHWEH even when you know you can never win
So if it means something different from modern English in some places, it should not be expected to necessarily do so in all places.

Lol, another ad-hoc again.... I don laugh tire
That my friend, is the fallacy of composition.
Mr, the link is above, read more Jor and stop forming I TOO KNOW.

Anyways, I'm happy you accepted your statement was fallacious..

Reminder to my above question;
Did the archaic English agree with the modern English that Jesus died and rose again? Pls do answer this question
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by Evangkatsoulis: 6:55am On Jun 19, 2017
Billyonaire:


You asked a question, yet you responded to it ? Your God has a God. The reason is simple. The God that Created Earth is not the same God that sequenced our DNA and produce the hybrid body we call Human Body. So, I do not understand why you are making unrealistic statement. Earth is a real planet so God is a real being, and it is in all us. God had to split into photons and populate all densities and dimensions living in diverse bodies of matter to experiences itself, its creation in the matrix. Photon can be distorted by electromagnetism of Earth so quanta had to be in Soul and Soul in a Body to proton our core from being stripped. So we are not our body, we are Spirit having physical Earth experience, so you are God, I am God, we all are.

Both of us are right, our perspectives might be different.

Genius! But sir why you no dey pick your mail?
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by prof2015(m): 7:00am On Jun 19, 2017
felixomor:


Firstly, i never said its ok.
I said it was an "agreement" (but u changed it to "it is ok" )
You thought i didnt see that? grin

And Mind you, this was before Jesus Christ's coming and era of grace.

Secondly, At the same time, you are asking me to show you the agreement?
Why are u asking me to show you the agreement?

Are u not supposed to have finished the bible and found out that there is no such agreement between God and people?
And then arrived at conclusion that God was "evil"?
This man is just confused

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Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by sonofluc1fer: 7:01am On Jun 19, 2017
banmee:



God is wise right? So what is the wisdom in placing a tree that would destroy the garden of eden if eaten from it in the middle of the garden? Was there no space in heaven? Plus, he knows what's going to happen before it happens right? So he knew that Adam and Eve would eat from the tree of life and still placed the tree there. I wonder when you all would start thinking with your heads.

https://www.nairaland.com/2828556/luciferean-series-understanding-christianity#41430761
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by bobkezel(m): 7:03am On Jun 19, 2017
What a baseless argument with no fact. Not even half fact. Bla bla bla. Yes he is omnipresent, must be in hell too. He is omniscience, what's the need of praying if he already knew what's gonna happen, with or without prayer.this makes praying to him useless. He is omnipotent, and watches bad things and disasters befall those that pray to him everyday without doing a thing, he must be a sadist. Abeg this una God needs another packaging and rebranding, he is getting stale by the day.

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Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by achu442(m): 7:10am On Jun 19, 2017
dalaman:


What have the previous verses got to do with the with Yahweh agreed that he did evil and apologized for it. You only apologize and repent when you've done wrong. Yahweh agreed to have done wrong and commited evil and even apologized for it. But felixomor in his usual lie lie fashion wants to tell us something else. Did Yahweh commit evil? Yes he did. Did he apologize for it? Yes he did. Why then is felixomor telling lies? Because he can't live without telling lies.

Not true..

God is loving and caring that even if He punishes you ,He'll still come back to draw you back to Himself.

Just like when you do wrong,your dad beats you and still comes to tell you he is sorry for beating you and he won't do it again.
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by seye15627(m): 7:13am On Jun 19, 2017
No! that's incorrect. Sometimes you apologize even when you are right, you might feel sober after making correction on your object act. When we were younger, in the course of disagreement, I correct my brother by beating him then afterward I would feel sober even while I was right then go on to apologize to him.
dalaman:


What have the previous verses got to do with the with Yahweh agreed that he did evil and apologized for it. You only apologize and repent when you've done wrong. Yahweh agreed to have done wrong and commited evil and even apologized for it. But felixomor in his usual lie lie fashion wants to tell us something else. Did Yahweh commit evil? Yes he did. Did he apologize for it? Yes he did. Why then is felixomor telling lies? Because he can't live without telling lies.

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Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by Nobody: 7:13am On Jun 19, 2017
Mahn! Arguing with felixomor is just a waste of one's precious time.

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Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by Nobody: 7:14am On Jun 19, 2017
sonofluc1fer:

Dont mind those atheists. They will continue to wail and complain, even in hell fire. God, in his loving mercies, will show them justice in the lake of fire, where they shall burn foreverly..
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by Princeboca12(m): 7:51am On Jun 19, 2017
felixomor:

God is a Judge.
It is the work of a judge to repay evil with evil.
Its called justice.
The evil you highlighted there comes after people commited evil and abominations they were commanded not to.

But unfortunately, you wont read those verses before it.
Why?, because you simply read the bible because of argument.
.

Good morning. In that same exodus 32 vs9 to 14.. It says that when Moses had gone to the mountain the people of Israel were doing all sort of attrocities.. Worshipping a golden calf and also were into immoral acts. We christains know that our God is a jealous one according to exodus 20 vs 5. Back to exodus 32 vs 10. Our God was angry at the people of israel and had evil thoughts of destroying them. May i ask a question. How would ur biological father react if u disobeyed his orders.. Food for thought tho. Moses interceeded for d iisraelites and told God to to turn away frm such terrible thought. Thats were verse 14 say that God changed his mind and spared them. Thank u
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by Princeboca12(m): 7:51am On Jun 19, 2017
Princeboca12:
.

Good morning. In that same exodus 32 vs9 to 14.. It says that when Moses had gone to the mountain the people of Israel were doing all sort of attrocities.. Worshipping a golden calf and also were into immoral acts. We christains know that our God is a jealous one according to exodus 20 vs 5. Back to exodus 32 vs 10. Our God was angry at the people of israel and had evil thoughts of destroying them. May i ask a question. How would ur biological father react if u disobeyed his orders.. Food for thought tho. Moses interceeded for d iisraelites and told God to to turn away frm such terrible thought. Thats were verse 14 say that God changed his mind and spared them. Thank u

Dalaman
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by dederocs(m): 7:59am On Jun 19, 2017
felixomor:

God is a Judge.
It is the work of a judge to repay evil with evil.
Its called justice.
The evil you highlighted there comes after people commited evil and abominations they were commanded not to.

But unfortunately, you wont read those verses before it.
Why?, because you simply read the bible because of argument.
Am not an atheist,but your argument quite vague and shallow.

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Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by HardMirror(m): 8:00am On Jun 19, 2017
randomperson:

This is what you do when you have messed up, you dumb down arguments

So the question is is it okay or not?

U are the one claiming there is an agreement, so show us where the agreement is. But I know that you will keep dodging because there is no where in the bible that an agreement like that was made.
Christians are idio.ts yet to find a true intellectual Christian. they simply don't exist when it comes to topics that concerns their God.
if Muslims start killing now, the Christians wld be first to start shouting murder, but they can't see the unprovoked murder of the innocent children here

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Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by randomperson: 8:09am On Jun 19, 2017
CeoMYN:
Mahn! Arguing with felixomor is just a waste of one's precious time.
Lol....
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by expozey(f): 8:12am On Jun 19, 2017
malvisguy212:
even if God should create NL account , you hearthen will still doubt, beside God reavel Himself to those who sincerely seek Him. reading your post on nairaland, you don't want evidence of God existence, in fact you wish God does not exist so that you will live immoral life.

Oh please, na d so-called religious people dey live immoral life pass, if not this highly religious nation will not be in this sorry state.
Secondly, atheism does not come from a desire for immoral living. It simply means that they do not believe that there is any form of higher power which guides our existence. So it's very wrong to equate atheism with immoral living and religiosity to moral living
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by SmartyPants(m): 8:13am On Jun 19, 2017
adepeter26:

Maybe you could tell. Me how I abused logic. Anyways, still following

LOLLLL. Still following sha

All this your redefinition won't still change the obvious fallacy from what I quoted.
Anyways, I will save you the stress of back and forth lecturing by visiting the link below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

That the problem with many of you Christians, when 1+1!=2, you try to formulate/shift the reason why 1+1!=2 and that's no true Scotsman fallacy. Trying to shift accepted conditions cos it no longer fits into your argument.

Trash. Lol, now it's interpretation that matters? Ok, here is a question I have for you.
Did the archaic English agree with the modern English that Jesus died and rose again? Pls do answer this question

Man, i tire for for twisting of terms oo. Hope you're OK.?
Its not a must to win arguments for YAHWEH even when you know you can never win

Lol, another ad-hoc again.... I don laugh tire

Mr, the link is above, read more Jor and stop forming I TOO KNOW.

Anyways, I'm happy you accepted your statement was fallacious..

Reminder to my above question;
Did the archaic English agree with the modern English that Jesus died and rose again? Pls do answer this question

You seriously do not have sense. If you could not understand the simple things I have tried to explain there.

Yes of course the archaic English agrees with the modern English that Jesus died and rose again. Has nothing to do with a no true Scotsman fallacy. I pity you half-baked Nigerian atheists.

Your western counterparts at least are well educated but you are just here making a fool of yourself and throwing in what you think are clever-sounding phrases you do not understand in between.

Clown.
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by randomperson: 8:16am On Jun 19, 2017
Am happy this thread made FP. Big thanks to KingEbukasblog
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by shabs15(m): 8:18am On Jun 19, 2017
dalaman:
Bros lets look at it from this angle. As an engineer, you created numerous robots to serve specific functions, but later found out they were doing the opposite, which despises the actual purpose of creating them. If you decide to do away with those robots, do you think it is wrong?

What have the previous verses got to do with the with Yahweh agreed that he did evil and apologized for it. You only apologize and repent when you've done wrong. Yahweh agreed to have done wrong and commited evil and even apologized for it. But felixomor in his usual lie lie fashion wants to tell us something else. Did Yahweh commit evil? Yes he did. Did he apologize for it? Yes he did. Why then is felixomor telling lies? Because he can't live without telling lies.
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by SirVintageCock: 8:31am On Jun 19, 2017
achu442:


Not true..

God is loving and caring that even if He punishes you ,He'll still come back to draw you back to Himself.

Just like when you do wrong,your dad beats you and still comes to tell you he is sorry for beating you and he won't do it again.
Equating God with your father in that light shows he is not in the least omnipresent or science cos there is no damn difference between them both. I'd rather worship my dad instead.

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Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by lkdolz(m): 8:35am On Jun 19, 2017
Most folks in this forum, arguing about the falsehood of God's existence, are not been fair in their argument. How can you keep quoting the same Bible, you said, it's cooked-up, to lend more credence to your point and negate others believe in God. You reject the authority of the Bible, but, very quick to use it in your defense when it please you.

Its like putting up an argument, that the the Law of the Land is corrupt and inadequate, yet, you are quick to use the same Law to judge others.
That's hypocrisy — if you ask me.

We all have ability to choose the part we want to follow in life. I prayed, He shines His light upon all to see the way and the truth. Jesus Loves you.
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by monex(m): 8:36am On Jun 19, 2017
dalaman:
Most of your write up is just so nonsensical that I don't know where to begin from. Everything written up there is just empty assertion that makes no sense at all. I will just take one of them and show you that your assertions are false.




This is completely false. How can the pinnacle of moral perfection engage on evil? The bible is some.places has God doing evil, and apologizing for his evil deeds.

(Exod. 32:14), “And the Lord repented of the evil [/b]which he thought to do unto his people.

If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: [b]For I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you
.
Jeremiah 42:10

Why is your God doing evil and repenting? A perfect God that is the pinnacle of morality that goes about doing evil is impossible.

As usual you have come to just expose your self and you weak and ill thought out arguments that make no sense at all.

OPs assertion of God being good does not portray it well as "God is goodness" or "God is the perfection of good". better lets put it this way - good simply means what pleases God while evil means what displeases God.

We get our nature of goodness from God. Any number no matter how large becomes a zero when compared to infinity. any time no matter how long becomes the tiniest second when compared to infinity. Therefore, our good, no matter how great, remains imperfect unlike God's perfect goodness.

The context of evil in that biblical phrase comes from use of english. evil here is justice while repenting is mercy.
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by felixomor: 8:41am On Jun 19, 2017
dederocs:

Am not an atheist,but your argument quite vague and shallow.
Well i will like to know why you think so.
Or else, i will assume you are on adhominem fallacies.

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Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by felixomor: 8:42am On Jun 19, 2017
seye15627:
No! that's incorrect. Sometimes you apologize even when you are right, you might feel sober after making correction on your object act. When we were younger, in the course of disagreement, I correct my brother by beating him then afterward I would feel sober even while I was right then go on to apologize to him.

Thank u jare.
Allow the ignoramus to be singing "apologize"

He cant even show us the apology in the bible.

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Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by banmee(m): 8:44am On Jun 19, 2017
Re: A Simple Rebuttal To One Very Common Argument Made By Atheists . by felixomor: 8:45am On Jun 19, 2017
Princeboca12:
.

Good morning. In that same exodus 32 vs9 to 14.. It says that when Moses had gone to the mountain the people of Israel were doing all sort of attrocities.. Worshipping a golden calf and also were into immoral acts. We christains know that our God is a jealous one according to exodus 20 vs 5. Back to exodus 32 vs 10. Our God was angry at the people of israel and had evil thoughts of destroying them. May i ask a question. How would ur biological father react if u disobeyed his orders.. Food for thought tho. Moses interceeded for d iisraelites and told God to to turn away frm such terrible thought. Thats were verse 14 say that God changed his mind and spared them. Thank u

God turned away from the judgement because of the intercession.
Not because the Israelites were right.
I may not be getting the point u are making.

Thanks, same

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