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Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by mrvitalis(m): 10:52am On Aug 22, 2017
Alexis11:


Why should everything be about domination

That's life bro
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by datwall: 10:52am On Aug 22, 2017
If north is not. Why is my Buhari working from his house. They should go and build a president palace in katsina state.


North is small now

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Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by dokiOloye(m): 10:54am On Aug 22, 2017
mrvitalis:


As an Igbo man I don't intend to go into politics

But when I watch my people complain about how the north dominate politics I laugh

Honestly it will not take me 10 years to dislodge Hausa/Fulani from power

There are a lot of oprressed tribes in the north ...build a party that will give the northern minority a chance and what Hausa/Fulani lose over 8 states in the north if not more

Igbo leaders are not calculative when it comes to politics ....Jonathan should have never been president ( igbos should have supported the north ) we would be in power now

My people are too individualistic ...

Through out my life I will try to unit the igbos (economically ).... We can dominate Nigeria like we did in the 60s to 70s
U do not completely know what U are saying.
The minorities and d Christians in d north look at d Igbo man almost d same way d northern muslims do and this is born out of envy and d aggressive way d Igbo ppl go about their activities in their quest for perfection and excellence.The only difference is that they aren't violent about it and another factor is d renewed killings of their ppl by d muslims in d name of religious riots and boko haram.
By d way,do u live or have lived in d north?And I'm not talking about Abuja or Makurdi or Lokoja?
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by FemiMaduka(m): 10:55am On Aug 22, 2017
Oh jeez you blew my mind! I have always said this: YES! an average Igbo man is so self-confident (up to the point of foolish arrogance) BUT the Igbo people are not a violent people. An Igboman will rather sell to you, perhaps at an inflated price, than kill you. The problem with the Hausa and Fulani is that they are too inclined to do violence at any slight excuse. The Yoruba people too are not violent; that's why there hasn't been any major fight between Yorubas and Igbos. Yorubas are very liberal (Hausa people don't particularly like this); the Igbos are non-violent extremists and natural entrepreneurs (they suck at politics); and the Hausas are extremists too (violent though) and quite insecure about their chances of keeping up with the Igbos and Yorubas if they don't have the political power. The best Nigerians are those northern Christians in Taraba, Adamawa, Yobe, Borno et'al

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Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by papaejima1: 11:02am On Aug 22, 2017
Aufbauh:
Geographically we are in the middle belt.
Geopolitically we are in the North.
Politically we align with any zone(s) or region(s) that protects our interest and gat our back simply because politics is all about interest.

Our identity is more in our culture and conviction than the language we speak because of our diverse ethnicity.

Politically we are the most strategic region or zone among others. This is what the core North understand earlier and better than our near southern neighbour.

Unfortunately our most near-southern neighbour the SE thinks political interest should be by parochialism of religion and proximity whereas the core North rightly thinks it should be political bargain. This of course has given the later the political advantage over the years.
Political advantage to your detriment.
Being considered as canon fodder is not my idea of advantage.
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by 2016v2017: 11:14am On Aug 22, 2017
Nwodosis:
North is North but South is not South, continue.
they divided Eastern Nigeria into SOUTH EAST and SOUTH SOUTH
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by babyfaceafrica: 11:14am On Aug 22, 2017
dokiOloye:
Ekirin Adde in Ijumu local govt where I served is just a stone throw to Omou Ekiti in Ekiti state.
but they are still in kogi state?..kogi far small o
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by Kingspin(m): 11:15am On Aug 22, 2017
Poverty is in the brain not in bank account. Nigeria must go real change.
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by 2016v2017: 11:19am On Aug 22, 2017
Terkimbi01:
Maybe we used to be north.
not any more.

if north is north, why are the Fulani invading our lands And killing us?

As a result of the pressure from the Biafrans and the resultant effect in the Middle Belt, Areas quickly handed over to Paul Unongo just like they gave power to Gowon during the war.

If things heat up, they will look for a middle beltan and hand over the presidency.

our people need to wise up now.
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by 2016v2017: 11:21am On Aug 22, 2017
Terkimbi01:
Maybe we used to be north.
not any more.

if north is north, why are the Fulani invading our lands And killing us?

As a result of the pressure from the Biafrans and the resultant effect in the Middle Belt, Areas quickly handed over to Paul Unongo just like they gave power to Gowon during the war.

If things heat up, they will look for a middle beltan and hand over the presidency.

our people need to wise up now.
nice one
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by malton: 11:28am On Aug 22, 2017
Ladyjumong:
shocked

Jeez!

now this is all new

there is a lot of issues that needs to be tackle in this country

never knew middle beltans hate northeners this much

Actually, the dislike is much deeper than the thread suggests. I know, because I'm a middle-beltan.
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by dokiOloye(m): 11:33am On Aug 22, 2017
Aufbauh:


Sure, of a truth I'm more closer to the Igbos either by proximity or blood line than any tribe in the country be it Igede or Tiv in my state. In fact my mum is from Isi uzor LG. in Enugu state, a neighbouring village to my paternal home in Benue state.

But of a truth, I've not been impressed by the way the Igbos play their politics. They should learn to consult with others, consolidate on their friendship with others before confronting a perceived opposition .
So,d Igbos should wait and consult others b4 d confront d murderous hausa/Fulani oligarchy?
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by malton: 11:35am On Aug 22, 2017
fk001:


Fulani herdsmen are every where, they don't Care about your religion or where you come from all they Care about is their cattle's.



last few months they clashed with mambila people in taraba state, is taraba now north central?

Taraba is middlebelt. Most middlebelt tribes trace their roots to Kwararafa, in Taraba.
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by malton: 11:36am On Aug 22, 2017
frankihima:
brother than join south south or south east .I have live with them and I no them better.north and south west is the best place to live. nothing like meddle belt we are northern if u don't like it go and drink snipper and die

Which state are you from?
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by fk001(m): 11:38am On Aug 22, 2017
malton:


Taraba is middlebelt. Most middlebelt tribes trace their roots to Kwararafa, in Taraba.


You must be joking right?

Why not kuku add Numan of Adamawa state in your middle belt imagination, since Numan are predominantly Christians

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Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by malton: 11:39am On Aug 22, 2017
fk001:




And what's the difference between Late Danbaba suntai and Labaran mako?


all those that you mention dress like northerners, they speak Hausa,


so if your division is base on religion, what's the faith of people from Southern Borno, Adamawa, Taraba, Gombe and Bauchi? majority of them are Christians, in fact their Christianity is like that of jos and southern Kaduna people.

All those places you mentioned are a part of the middlebelt.
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by fk001(m): 11:41am On Aug 22, 2017
malton:


Taraba is middlebelt. Most middlebelt tribes trace their roots to Kwararafa, in Taraba.


You must be joking right?

Why not kuku add Numan,Ganye, Hong, Guyuk of Adamawa state and some part of southern Borno, Gombe, Bauchi,in your middle belt imagination, since they are predominantly Christians
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by Guyman02: 11:41am On Aug 22, 2017
Terkimbi01:


You are very intelligent and I love your reasoning.
However, on the different approaches by the core north and the south east, I see the north as very subtle.

What they give to us is Greek gifts. we don't really wield any power. they use us at will and dump us at will.

The core north plays us like a game.

as for the East, I think its time we explore a handshake.
don't ignore the ignoble role we played during the war courtesy of the core north.

from all standards, the Igbo's are not violent, they are not killers. On these two accounts the core north can go to blazes.

If the Igbos kill their host communities who will buy their spare parts and buy drugs from their chemist shop. Moreover, their houses can be destroyed if they violently attack their host and its easy to trace them to their village in Igboland.
But the Fulani can violently attack his host, pick up his praying mat and flee to Sokoto or Bauchi because he has nothing much to lose and his own people will always protect him even if you decide to trace him.

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Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by fk001(m): 11:43am On Aug 22, 2017
malton:

All those places you mentioned are a part of the middlebelt.

Now i know you don't know what you are saying,
And i know how you define your imaginary middle belt.

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Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by win2kwire: 11:46am On Aug 22, 2017
yes stupid mallam, North is North, there is ALSO no North-East, North-West.

This is what happens when you allow almajaris get free scholarships and education using oil money from south - it is wasted on them!

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Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by maslong(m): 11:47am On Aug 22, 2017
dokiOloye:
I served in Kogi west,around Kabba. If U wanna have a serious problem wt an Okun man,call him 'northerner'.
Same with Kaduna South.
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by maslong(m): 11:48am On Aug 22, 2017
Obijulius:
The Igbos through Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB have changed the national discourse forever.

NK has brought to the fore the true issues that the average contends in his private space.

It's only a matter of time before the wise ones begin to negotiate their way out of this diabolical union, while the rest insist on staying together because of free oil money.

If your region is still hoping on a united Nigeria , then you are a cursed people.

and pigs.
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by malton: 11:50am On Aug 22, 2017
charlesucheh:
Benue sate is not north simple!!!! now let's look at some indices,
1) the predominant means of communication in the north is hausa
2) but you can never learn how to speak hausa even if you stay for a hundred years in Benue sate
3) most northern states fall under the territorial district conquered by usman danfodio which makes them predominantly islamic states.
4) but Benue state is a predominantly christian practicing state with catholic and NKST as its major worship centers.

OGA!! you can incorporate other states as being north o!!!! but pls leave the UMBC for Benue state if you don't want my trouble today.

Hausa being a lingua franca across most parts of the middlebelt does not make those places Hausa land or qualify them as more north than Benue. By your yardstick, we can as well classify Nigeria as British, on account of us speaking English. Most of those places have too many smaller languages scattered around, which the Hausas used to their advantage. For instance, you can survive in Benue just by speaking Tiv, but you cannot in Nasarawa by speaking Mada.

What qualifies a people as one is their shared beliefs, ethos, and life perspectives. The regions that make up the middlebelt can easily coexist with each other, but they cannot with the Hausa/Fulani. This is mainly due to Islamic fundamentalism, and nothing else.

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Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by malton: 11:55am On Aug 22, 2017
wasiudvd:
You are not unfortunate, you didn't find yourself there, its your ancestral home, its Yoruba land, either its in the North or not.

I wanted to respond to kennygee in the exact same tone you have. She shouldn't let the hate get to her like that.

Being classified as a northerner is not bad in itself. It's simple-minded people that make it seem like a taboo. While I prefer to identify as a middlebelter, I don't see my coming from my home state as a curse. We are where we are for a reason. If you don't like the narrative, change the story.
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by Nobody: 11:58am On Aug 22, 2017
malton:


I wanted to respond to kennygee in the exact same tone you have. She shouldn't let the hate get to her like that.

Being classified as a northerner is not bad in itself. It's simple-minded people that make it seem like a taboo. While I prefer to identify as a middlebelter, I don't see my coming from my home state as a curse. We are where we are for a reason. If you don't like the narrative, change the story.

Its not the hate self, I don't like that state Kogi, I don't like the ethnic groups we share the state with, we barely tolerate each other.

If I had a choice, I'd change the state ASAP, but I'll just wait for marriage to do that for me.

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Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by maslong(m): 11:58am On Aug 22, 2017
Babatundecash:
The Hausa fulani people think they are smart by handling the position of the Northern Elders forum to a christian from the middle belt just to put an end to the various agitation from the middle beltans......I am from Kogi state and enough of Hausa fulani using us for political gain.....They killed our brothers in Benue,they invade our land in Kogi,They bomb our city in Jos.....Various middle belt forum and group have come and stay and their is nothing anybody can do about it.......They prevent the Ebiras,Igalas,Tiv,Jukun and other minority Ethnic groups from the presidential ticket in the name of one North.

you omitted southern kaduna southern bauchi, Taraba ,Nasarawa.
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by maslong(m): 12:09pm On Aug 22, 2017
Aufbauh:


Sure, of a truth I'm more closer to the Igbos either by proximity or blood line than any tribe in the country be it Igede or Tiv in my state. In fact my mum is from Isi uzor LG. in Enugu state, a neighbouring village to my paternal home in Benue state.

But of a truth, I've not been impressed by the way the Igbos play their politics. They should learn to consult with others, consolidate on their friendship with others before confronting a perceived opposition .

where in Isi-uzo bro, is it aguamed ungbuji ebor or where please.
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by malton: 12:14pm On Aug 22, 2017
fk001:



You must be joking right?

Why not kuku add Numan,Ganye, Hong, Guyuk of Adamawa state and some part of southern Borno, Gombe, Bauchi,in your middle belt imagination, since they are predominantly Christians

It will seem like a joke to you because you do not know the history. Read up on the middlebelt. Middlebelt does not imply north central.
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by fk001(m): 12:22pm On Aug 22, 2017
malton:


It will seem like a joke to you because you do not know the history. Read up on the middlebelt. Middlebelt does not imply north central.

What's the definition of middle belt? let's start from there.



I hope you will not tell me that " middle belt is a region or territory that is predominantly occupied by Christians and detest Islam"


Joker!!!!
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by feelgoodInc: 12:26pm On Aug 22, 2017
The biggest hindrance to success is fear and SHAME if you stay at your place you won't make it there because there are some business you won't want to do because you don't want to be judged by your neighbours and friends this is the mentality of most igbo men rather than stay at home to try to make it you rather go else where. Imagine coming back from service will you want to do an odd job just for a start or will you rather do that odd job else where?

And If you're going home to meet the family and friends are you going to be going empty handed?

This are the questions we must all ask ourselves, I'm not derailing the thread but I dont think hating an igbo man or a southerner is the problem because at the end of the day we are all the same.
Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by drss2(m): 12:29pm On Aug 22, 2017
Oxenomy:
As long as your governors are members of 19 northern states, you are part of north... When your governors starts Middle Belt governors' forum, then we can take you serious but until then, you are a northerner..
u said d raw truth!

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Re: North Is North, There Is No Middle Belt — Yahaya Kwande by malton: 12:29pm On Aug 22, 2017
kennygee:


Its not the hate self, I don't like that state Kogi, I don't like the ethnic groups we share the state with, we barely tolerate each other.

If I had a choice, I'd change the state ASAP, but I'll just wait for marriage to do that for me.

Kogi is a reflection of Nigeria itself. What you said is the truth. I've lived in and know Kogi well enough to understand your POV. I just hope that someday, we'll realize that the problem is not the marriage itself and that it only seems like a marriage of strange bedfellows because we haven't been allowed the time to know each other better.

A lot of times, we form opinions off of others' perceptions without experiences of our own. We can learn to love if we try. Chances are that you have never had a direct confrontation with an Igala or Ebira person before.

Whether you are the same state or not, someday, somehow, you'd always get in each other's way. It's life. If we must solve every problem by division, not even one family will be left.

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