[color=#000000][/color]hi,vannessa7,when you were still a christian,you prayed for people and they receive healing,miracle and breakthrouh,m very sure you did those things in the name of jesus.,them getting healings when prayed for and you still living in sickness when you pray for youself., is the said healing accidental or mere coincidence??like(eg someone who is suffering from malaria is on medication and also praying,when he eventually bcome okay,he now have a believe that its d prayers that made him okay)is that d situation here?.a mere coincidence

vannessa7:
Please anyone that wants to pm me should send to vannessabest@gmail.com, I don't understand email from Nairaland, thanks

.no answer yet??....okay vannessa,goodluck to your new found life,may God bless you and make his healing parmanent in your life and also make you understand more about him and what you are into,.sofar you werent forced,then goodluck dear

vannessa7:


How you are so sure I'm demonised is still a mirage, do you know there is a Bible written in Arabic and Allah is used throughout to refer to God, every language has a name for God and they have every right to call God in their dialect and God hears and understand because it's the heart and intentions that matter, and FYI I did not dump Jesus anyone who is truly serving the Almighty God will not reject any prophet of God, I accept that Jesus came to call us to serve the only living God, also it might be true that you can go through him to get to God but it's a permissive will, not the perfect will of God and every permissive will always have hidden price to pay, God will have us come to Him without associating partners with Him, God is not equal to His creatures, as for all your points most of them are false and not founded in the Quran, I don't have much time arguing with you, all I know is I was blind now I can see.

The question is not about the language. Its about the person. Do Muslims believe in Jehovah the God of Abraham? No!

If we serve the same God, why then must a Jew who reverted back to Judaism be killed as a commandment of Allah?


[b]Sahih Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."
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Jews worship only Jehovah, isn't it?

You know that Christians worship only one God..no christian associate es partners with God.

The Bible says God came down as human: for the sake of the great love He has for us.

Tell me it is not possible! Then, I will ask you about how God visited Abraham with two other Angels.

The bottom line is that as a "Christian", your understanding of Trinity was flawed.

Didov1:
[color=#000000][/color]hi,vannessa7,when you were still a christian,you prayed for people and they receive healing,miracle and breakthrouh,m very sure you did those things in the name of jesus.,them getting healings when prayed for and you still living in sickness when you pray for youself., is the said healing accidental or mere coincidence??like(eg someone who is suffering from malaria is on medication and also praying,when he eventually bcome okay,he now have a believe that its d prayers that made him okay)is that d situation here?.a mere coincidence

I am not saying there is no power of God in Christianity or trying to undermine it in anyway I'm even trying to enhance it by preaching the same thing Jesus preached:serve God, Jehovah, Allah, give Him glory and worship and not Jesus, the prayer model of Jesus, the Lords prayer clearly stated it, Jesus could have said pray and ask me for your need but He said pray to the father, I. e God, and those miracles that was expressed through my ministry was authentic because the people testified, my own situation was a case of malaria today, typhoid tomorrow, sometimes requiring admission, I got fed up at a time and told God I will not go to the hospital or take drugs again and when the next episode arose I was led by the Holy Spirit to go to redeemed camp and join them eating holy communion and when I did I was healed instantly and that was my first encounter with rccg, anyway I still experience the sickness but not as often as before but anytime there is power outage and I sleep in the dark for a few days I begin to fall sick, after moving back to my moms place due to my first husband death I had to sleep in the dark consistently because it's a new house in a new site without electricity yet, my sickness became rampant and serious though I was in rccg, it stopped immediately I converted to Islam even though I still lived in that house for some months. Salam

vannessa7:


I am not saying there is no power of God in Christianity or trying to undermine it in anyway I'm even trying to enhance it by preaching the same thing Jesus preached:serve God, Jehovah, Allah, give Him glory and worship and not Jesus, the prayer model of Jesus, the Lords prayer clearly stated it, Jesus could have said pray and ask me for your need but He said pray to the father, I. e God, and those miracles that was expressed through my ministry was authentic because the people testified, my own situation was a case of malaria today, typhoid tomorrow, sometimes requiring admission, I got fed up at a time and told God I will not go to the hospital or take drugs again and when the next episode arose I was led by the Holy Spirit to go to redeemed camp and join them eating holy communion and when I did I was healed instantly and that was my first encounter with rccg, anyway I still experience the sickness but not as often as before but anytime there is power outage and I sleep in the dark for a few days I begin to fall sick, after moving back to my moms place due to my first husband death I had to sleep in the dark consistently because it's a new house in a new site without electricity yet, my sickness became rampant and serious though I was in rccg, it stopped immediately I converted to Islam even though I still lived in that house for some months. Salam

I see in you someone who is either lying or completely confused, I suspect the latter. If you were sincerely once a Christian and the search for a man to marry you led you to Islam, I believe Christ will reach out to you in a language you will understand, He doesn't want anyone atol to perish but if this was an attempt to derail people, well your judgement is already beside you. QED

slimtoney:
Vanessa, no matter how hard u try to convince them, they will never take heed. It is only Allah who guides to the right path, those whom he wishes

Thank you my brother, it is obvious that trying to reason with whoever Allah has not guided is futile and I will say this, I do not have all the answers and I'm not God but I know this: I was blind now I can see, by their fruits I have known them, to everyone his/her own, salam

superior1:


I see in you someone who is either lying or completely confused, I suspect the latter. If you were sincerely once a Christian and the search for a man to marry you led you to Islam, I believe Christ will reach out to you in a language you will understand, He doesn't want anyone atol to perish but if this was an attempt to derail people, well your judgement is already beside you. QED

It's either you are slow or cannot comprehend, if you had gone through my write up you will know that what led me to Islam is more than husband but a search for God, holiness, deliverance, sanctification, purification and I didn't just decide to do it, I was led and got my confirmation through series of revelations, and God knows I am not trying to derail but help people who may have found themselves in my situation. Just leave everything to Him

I'm going to say this to buttress my point, I once heard Pastor Adeboye saying he doesn't understand why the Holy Spirit did not allow apostle Paul to go to Asia with the gospel because now they serve several idols, I think the answer is because Christianity cannot handle them at their level of idolatry, in fact when I watch zee world I always imagined the kind of havoc those idols will cause if Indians embrace Christianity, it's only Islam that can handle such level of idolatry and they will be OK, even when they were colonised they didn't embrace Christianity from their colonial master but they have Islam now with one of the most beautiful mosque in the world, though they have Christianity too but in very small percentage and I don't wonder why, the fact is Christianity is not for everybody, there will always be some people like me who need to worship God without associating partners with Him before the devil will leave them alone. people should please read between the lines to get my inference, I cannot be repeating myself, salam

like seriously,you are getting those things wrong vannessa7,let me quote from the bible..jesus said in.john10:30."the father and i are one".....john8:58."i am telling you the truth,jesus replied,"before abraham was born,i am".....jesus said in rev22:13."i am the alpha and omega,the beginning and end,the first and the last".....john14:6,7."jesus said to him,"i am the way,the truth,and the life,no one comes to the father except through me"....i can go on and on bt i have to stop here, jesus is nt jst a mere prophet bt God himself,the bible says"at the mention of his name jesus,every knees shall bow and every tongue will confess that jesus is lord",have you ever prayed in the name of prophet isiah or ezikiel,adam and miracle start happening?,when you were a christian dnt you pray in the name of jesus when you pray for people around and healing and miracle start happening??and now you're classifying christ jesus as a mere prophet..my dear nt trying to discourage you,jst reread the bible and pray 4 understanding

i'm nt trying to discourage you,jst reread the bible and pray for understanding,...note this,i'm nt trying to force you to covert to christianity back,jst want to prove a point that jesus is nt jst a mere prophet...wishing you luck..$shalom

vannessa7:


It's either you are slow or cannot comprehend, if you had gone through my write up you will know that what led me to Islam is more than husband but a search for God, holiness, deliverance, sanctification, purification and I didn't just decide to do it, I was led and got my confirmation through series of revelations, and God knows I am not trying to derail but help people who may have found themselves in my situation. Just leave everything to Him

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

welcome to the the fold of Islam sister, may Allah strengthen our eeman. may He grant us the best in this world, the best in the hereafter and save us from the torment of hell.

its a good thing that Allah has guided you to His light, it will be very good of you if you can also seek for more knowledge about islam. i recommend books such as:

dont be sad
the books of invocations for Muslims
men and women around the messenger (peace be upon him)

vannessa7:


It's either you are slow or cannot comprehend, if you had gone through my write up you will know that what led me to Islam is more than husband but a search for God, holiness, deliverance, sanctification, purification and I didn't just decide to do it, I was led and got my confirmation through series of revelations, and God knows I am not trying to derail but help people who may have found themselves in my situation. Just leave everything to Him

Pls answer these for me. From the Christian Perspective what is:
1. Holiness
2. Deliverance.
3. Sanctification.
4. Purification?

If you were a Christian you'd know. Pls tell me.


And, have you now achieved all of the above in Islam?

vannessa7:
I'm going to say this to buttress my point, I once heard Pastor Adeboye saying he doesn't understand why the Holy Spirit did not allow apostle Paul to go to Asia with the gospel because now they serve several idols, I think the answer is because Christianity cannot handle them at their level of idolatry, in fact when I watch zee world I always imagined the kind of havoc those idols will cause if Indians embrace Christianity, it's only Islam that can handle such level of idolatry and they will be OK, even when they were colonised they didn't embrace Christianity from their colonial master but they have Islam now with one of the most beautiful mosque in the world, though they have Christianity too but in very small percentage and I don't wonder why, the fact is Christianity is not for everybody, there will always be some people like me who need to worship God without associating partners with Him before the devil will leave them alone. people should please read between the lines to get my inference, I cannot be repeating myself, salam

Listen, Islam and the New Age idols can co habit because behind them, stands the same source, Satan.

Allah is satan and muhammed was his apostle. If you doubt that allah is satan, i will help put you through.

Listen, stay over there, don't think of coming back, but just know that you just willingly gave up your will to satan.

@vennessa7
I believe if you where truly His Daughter you will find your way home just like the Prodigal son did in the bible.
All you need is a new heart and you will definitely come back home.
Whatsoever is placed in His Hands is secured and can NEVER be lost!!
You spoke about suffering and persecution,but that's part of the evidence of being His true daughter.
I believe His purpose in your life is very great and the greater the responsibility,the higher His dealing in your life.
For Job to be the greatest man in his time,he has to be schooled in that regard.also Moses was schooled for 80year before he graguated to lead over 3million people.
If God doesn't school one properly He can't use the person to fulfill His purpose through them.
Just pray and ask Him that you want to know His and His full purpose in your life.if you are His daughter He will answer you.
Take care

shadeyinka:


i honestly do not believe a word of your conjectures. They are bundles of irreconcilables.
As an evangelist, what do you preach?
You haven't really told us why you believe that Islam was the way apart from the fact that you said you found a muslim husband and your problems were solved.

What you are saying in other words is that
1. Jesus didn't die on the cross
2. Mariam the sister of Aaron is the mother of Jesus
3. Trinity is God, Mary and Jesus
4. Issac was not the one Abraham almost sacrificed but Ismael
5. Joseph actually begged Portipher to throw him into the prison
6. You have a great reward for killing a Jew
7. When Jesus returns, he will Kill ALL the Jews, Convert all Christians to Muslims and kill the Dajjal
8. In paradise, you will swim in the river of wine and several young boys will attend to you (of course you will marry 70 husbands according to this Dr from Pakistan...

Let me stop here.

Wait sir, are women promised boys in their paradise?

adepeter2027:

There is nothing like such word "TRUE CHRISTIAN"

The moment you become a Christian, you are actually a TRUE CHRISTIAN, but once you leave, "YOU WERE NEVER A TRUE CHRISTIAN IN THE 1ST PLACE"

Religion and confusion

Yes, there's nothing like 'A True Christian'. It's either you are a Christian or you are not. For, a Christian is not he who attends church every day and belongs to all the units in church.

A Christian is he who is renewed in Spirit. No man can be renewed and turn away from Christ.

@vannassa7, my dear sister, hope u are enjoying urself in ur newly. found faith. sincerely, I'm happy because u are now happy. but why have u not answer my questions. u, sincerely and with all truthfulness, answering these questions will help a lot of people out there to have a deeper understanding of the two religions, why because u have been in the two. Now let me ask again, I ve added few more questions. 1. is Jesus the Son of God. 2. was Jesus crucified. 3. did He resurrect, 4. is He at the right hand of God now. 5. do u use the name of Jesus to pray now. 6. who is Holy Spirit to Muslims. 7. can a Muslim be baptised in (receive) the Holy Spirit. 8. can a Muslim be worshiping in Rccg and be enjoying everything (physical, spiritual, emotional, etc) u are enjoying now, 9. is God truly the Father, u answering all these questions sincerely will go a long way to helping me to have deeper understanding of lot of things. Thanks and God bless you.

vannessa7:


What makes you feel it is, Jesus said by their fruits you shall know them, if I don't see the manifestation of God in Christianity while here on earth what makes you think I will see it in eternity. Right from my first day in Islam I have experienced the presence of God, many of you people here know one Christian somewhere who is an enemy to you afflicting you in one way or the other but you can hardly have such experience with a Muslim because when the soul is corrupted the devil borrows it to perpetrate evil, you start seeing people in the dream afflicting you even when those people didn't go to any herbalist with your name because many people are too busy for that, but in Islam your soul is purified, it's what you see that you get, you can hardly hear of a Muslim confessing to witchcraft, many people being to make it big after relocating to Islamic state not knowing they are just enjoying the benefits of holiness, I use to wonder while growing up why Muslim's always win elections and are always at the forefront, it will take a pastor to match up to a genuine Muslim in holiness,

You are where you belong. Pls enjoy.

@vannassa7,
my dear sister, hope u are enjoying urself in ur newly.
found faith. sincerely, I'm happy because u are now
happy. but why have u not answer my questions. u,
sincerely and with all truthfulness, answering these
questions will help a lot of people out there to have a
deeper understanding of the two religions, why because u
have been in the two. Now let me ask again, I ve added
few more questions.
1. is Jesus the Son of God.
2. was Jesus crucified.
3. did He resurrect,
4. is He at the right hand of God now.
5. do u use the name of Jesus to pray now.
6. who is Holy Spirit to Muslims.
7. can a Muslim be baptised in (receive) the Holy Spirit.
8. can a Muslim be worshiping in Rccg and be enjoying
everything (physical, spiritual, emotional, etc) u are
enjoying now,
9. is God truly the Father,
u answering all these questions sincerely will go a long
way to helping me to have deeper understanding of lot
of things.
Thanks and God bless you.

analice107:

Yes, there's nothing like 'A True Christian'. It's either you are a Christian or you are not. For, a Christian is not he who attends church every day and belongs to all the units in church.

A Christian is he who is renewed in Spirit. No man can be renewed and turn away from Christ.

IF only you've been responding like this, we wouldn't have been quarrelling over nothing.

@bold
I'm lost

analice107:

Yes, there's nothing like 'A True Christian'. It's either you are a Christian or you are not. For, a Christian is not he who attends church every day and belongs to all the units in church.

A Christian is he who is renewed in Spirit. No man can be renewed and turn away from Christ.

So what happened to the prodigal son?

Richdotcom:






Sorry to say madam but It's either you never entered a church and sumbody told you this story or you are just playing around and trying to catch some fun here on NL...... So Satan always have a way of making you unholy because of your foundation?But pastors have holiness obviously they never had wrong foundation ?



The Bible says faith comes by hearing(understanding), if you don't understand what the word of God says about a situation, you can pray and pray and pray and you will still be lost!!! You were too carried away with either your church activities or your search for solution that you didn't try reading and understand what God words says, you didn't bother to know who you are in Christ.....



Who told you that your foundation will always be an hinderance to your relationship with God? Who told you that?



I had foundation issues, with the word of God and with holy communion and with understanding I destroyed mine, right in my self contained many years ago when I was still in the university..never to be a problem anymore to me...... there is a saying that the problems we face in life is a function of our ignorance....... the Bible says my people died for lack of knowledge, the devil was playing you around because you lack the knowledge.





Madam sorry initially I said your faith was shaking, it not your fault it's the fault of the assemble you were or the mind set you used in visiting those other churches..... you were too carried away searching for solutions to your problem that you never for once choose to know God for yourself thus when you "saw" what looked like a fix to your problem you automatically believe God is here.



Because if you truly did try knowing God for yourself you will discover that there is no difference between you and the "holy pastor" in the sight of God...... the only difference is that he knows God and what he says concerning that foundation problem, but you don't!!!


I tell you this, those pastors too had foundation problems, how come they solved it and got "holiness" according to you?

I will tell you, because they know the word of God for them self.

Madam I am not trying to make you feel bad but deep down within you, you know i am saying the truth.... you were going from church to church looking for the man of God to touch you and solve your problem or give you prayer point so you will get " solution" ..... you didn't bother to know God for yourself.




madam what you passed through was hard yes I know..... but people have passed even harder challenges too and conquered...... yours isn't different, nothing new under the earth.



And once again I need to say this, you can see vision and dream of exam questions, you can even be a first class student in your days, that doesn't mean you know God, you might know about him but don't know him personally, I mean having a personal relationship with him.




I am not trying to talk down your newly found religion or scare you but you ain't getting those attacks anymore because you are currently in the devil camp..... thus he will let you for a while .

Those with the Spirit of divination can see exam questions. But wait!!!!, wouldn't seeing exam questions be cheating? Is God in support of that?

That doesn't seem like the Spirit of God behind that. I may be wrong though.

vannessa7:
After my sickness disappeared I started wondering and meditating so I began to do a bit of research, I google countries with the highest rate of cancer and I was surprised there is hardly any Islamic nation, I google richest countries in the world and I was floored, I now understand why the richest man in Africa is a Muslim, I know where ever there is holiness God will pour His wealth there to overflowing especially if the people can maintain clean environment, clean lifestyle because God will not come to a dirty place or person no matter what method they are using to worship Him, demons love dirty environment and will be everywhere causing poverty and affliction. That is one of the problems of the northern Muslim in Nigeria because I've been to the North, they believe it's the duty of government to clean their environment, and daily bathing is strange to some of them because of cold at times.

Satan gave you respite because you returned to him. A house divided against itself shall not stand.

analice107:

Those with the Spirit of divination can see exam questions. But wait!!!!, wouldn't seeing exam questions be cheating? Is God in support of that?

That doesn't seem like the Spirit of God behind that. I may be wrong though.

You are not far from the truth!!! God doesn't support short cut to academic success, study to show yourself approve.

Richdotcom:




You are not far from the truth!!! God doesn't support short cut to academic success, study to show yourself approve.

Reading through what this woman posted here, Hmmm. Did she know Christ? Let me not say more.

ichuka:

So what happened to the prodigal son?

Lolzz, He never rejected being his father's son, he just wanted adventure away from home. He never called his father an impostor who stole him from another parents.

He never denounce his sonship and took another parent as his, that's why he could return home.

As a daughter, if i meet a man who is not a believer and i decide to marry him as opposed to what my father institutionalized, i have disobeyed my father, i will go with the man. But, if i take a stand and adopt the father of my husband as my own father publicly casting aspersions on my father, i may not have the guts to return in cases i meet misfortune like the prodigal son. If i do, my father will forgive me though, but can i, after doing all i deed?

But if i marry an unbeliever and go away with him, i can return to my father and ask for forgiveness, and of course he will forgive me.


What the Op is doing here is denying Jesus publicly and calling him a lair. My God!!!!! even when she claimed Jesus did this and that through her.

This is even the worst. This is calling the Holy Spirit a liar. because the power behind the manifestations was His. Unpardonable sin.

adepeter2027:

IF only you've been responding like this, we wouldn't have been quarrelling over nothing.

@bold
I'm lost

My phone does not bold texts. Why are you lost? Which part got you lost?

analice107:

My phone does not bold texts. Why are you lost? Which part got you lost?

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analice107:

Lolzz, He never rejected being his father's son, he just wanted adventure away from home. He never called his father an impostor who stole him from another parents.

He never denounce his sonship and took another parent as his, that's why he could return home.

As a daughter, if i meet a man who is not a believer and i decide to marry him as opposed to what my father institutionalized, i have disobeyed my father, i will go with the man. But, if i take a stand and adopt the father of my husband as my own father publicly casting aspersions on my father, i may not have the guts to return in cases i meet misfortune like the prodigal son. If i do, my father will forgive me though, but can i, after doing all i deed?

But if i marry an unbeliever and go away with him, i can return to my father and ask for forgiveness, and of course he will forgive me.


What the Op is doing here is denying Jesus publicly and calling him a lair. My God!!!!! even when she claimed Jesus did this and that through her.

This is even the worst. This is calling the Holy Spirit a liar. because the power behind the manifestations was His. Unpardonable sin.

You aren't getting it.
Luke15:24 says "or this son of mine was DEAD and is alive again; he was LOST and is found." These is the heart of the story.
It's not a question of what the son suffered(as in Vennasa7),but of what the Father loses.
If a sheep is lost,the Shepard is at loss,also if a coin is lost the woman loses.
Whatever her actions(that's whatsoever she has done or said against God) is considered a lost by Him.
She might seem DEAD and LOST right now but will be FOUND and ALIVE soonest

ichuka:

You aren't getting it.
Luke15:24 says "or this son of mine was DEAD and is alive again; he was LOST and is found." These is the heart of the story.
It's not a question of what the son suffered(as in Vennasa7),but of what the Father loses.
If a sheep is lost,the Shepard is at loss,also if a coin is lost the woman loses.
Whatever her actions(that's whatsoever she has done or said against God) is considered a lost by Him.
She might seem DEAD and LOST right now but will be FOUND and ALIVE soonest

Amen. I agree.