Humanistme:


no it doesn't go both ways

I havent seen the magun you are talking about.

As for your last point tell that to your people that were screaming it is our culture when wuraola fell out with Oba.

lest I forget do you trace your ancestry from your mother's side in Yoruba land?

Also is the women the head of the households in Yoruba families.

your head is stuck far up your ass that you don't know the meaning of matriachial.

you havent seen magun that catches men ? you havent seen wives that use juju so that their men get stuck to the woman ? or juju by women where you will not get erection again ? lmao siddon there.

as for wuraola and oni, that is a special case for royalty that applies all over the world. when diana divorced charles and she was dating dodi fayed the whole british establishment were angry and in fact some say she was killed. point being royalties all over the world have their own protocols and that has nothing to do with society at large. it is just royalty protocol

the head of most yoruba families are the women. the man is just like a non-existent figure head. its the woman laying down all the laws

ivolt:


Sorry, I don't agree with any of your claims because you
didn't even get what feminism is about.
I am a male feminist.

Which do you think is a greater threat to a woman?
a husband who ruled that his wife must never work
outside or an unknown writer on the internet who
encourages women to seek financial independence?

The problem with many men who berates "feminist" at any
opportunity is that they want all women to think and
behave the same because they are threatened by any woman
who refuses to "stay in her place".

Then I submit that such men should go for women who want
to be ruled instead of whining about feminists who aren't pointing
gun to anybody's head or threatening physical violence.

You see to the slave traders of the 18th century the abolitionist were
seen as bitter and fighting for slave dominance when all they preached
is that you cannot own a human being an adult be allowed to decide their
own future.

The problem with the OP is that he didn't factor the woman's choice into
his writing, the same thing you did in your response. There is nothing wrong
with a woman seeking equality, all you have to do is avoid such person and
go for submissive hero-worshippers(if that is the kind of partner you like).
No need berating or using condescending words on people who don't agree
with you.

Unless, you are dealing with an uncivilized partner, trying to control an
adult's destiny against their wish won't end well.

Nice Piece




I agree 100% with this. A nairalander contacted me a day ago, and she knocked some senses into me. She said even females have dreams and goals, and having them would demand expressiveness of these dreams. Hence, the need to work at some point....


The problem with the OP is that he didn't factor the woman's choice into
his writing, the same thing you did in your response. There is nothing wrong
with a woman seeking equality, all you have to do is avoid such person and
go for submissive hero-worshippers(if that is the kind of partner you like).
No need berating or using condescending words on people who don't agree
with you.


Well @ the point below, the fear of an independent woman is why many men don't want their wives to work. This inadvertently opens he door to subtle manipulation of the women folk in many marriages and abuse in the aftermath. What matters it a healthy functional relationship. The fruit doesn't fall from from the tree. While i don't disagree with many objections of the feminism movement, their goal is not far fetched. It's an individual problem and not a gender problem in its entirety. Rather than push excess energy into a movement for equity that may be frowned upon by even many women, pursuing and hunting for a partner that sync would be far more productive. Suffice to say, i've never seen any abusive marriage that the man doesn't come from a dysfunctional home. Tell ladies to ask about the family of their boyfriends, many times, many problems are transferred genetically.




Unless, you are dealing with an uncivilized partner, trying to control an
adult's destiny against their wish won't end well.



But at the word feminism, clear objectives should be presented, it has destroyed relationships just at the mention of the word. As a championeer for healthy marriages, i like to suggest people state out what they want in relationships before things go deep, and both parties talk about their desires. According to world historians, just a chit chat could have prevented world war one, that claimed millions of lives...Talking fixed issues.

Humanistme:


I get your point. But in the real world there are narcissists and bad people that take advantage of people not privileged as them or who depend on them. So being independent is a positive trait. it is easier for an independent woman to leave an abusive relationship that it for the one that is dependent.

Daeylar I now get your point. I just re-read the original article the Op made it seem like it is the woman 's fault for getting abused just because she is dependent on her husband sorry I misunderstood you.

Daeylar:


Hmmmmmm

His point is that people should gain independence so that they will stop being abused,
My point is that even if people are not independent does not mean they should be abused. People should be taught not to abuse anyone that is dependent on them.

I really wonder why him and I are arguing.

people have been taught to stop committing crimes, has crime stopped. There are good and bad people. It's left for you to avoid the bad ones. Condemning bad or preaching to bad ones will not make bad people stop

majekdom2:
people have been taught to stop committing crimes, has crime stopped. There are good and bad people. It's left for you to avoid the bad ones. Condemning bad or preaching to bad ones will not make bad people stop

On point.

Humanistme:


I get your point. But in the real world there are narcissists and bad people that take advantage of people not privileged as them or who depend on them. So being independent is a positive trait. it is easier for an independent woman to leave an abusive relationship that it for the one that is dependent.

Thank you for making it simpler for her to understand. We can condemn kidnappers all we want but that does not mean they will stop. It is left for us to take coverage. The coverage in this instance is for women to be independent. Simple!

achimotan:



Ghana is not a matriarchal society.

It is only the Akan tribe which is martrilineal.

There is a difference between matriarchal and matrilineal societies

Thanks. Do u think Nigeria is a matriarchal society?

Humanistme:


I get your point. But in the real world there are narcissists and bad people that take advantage of people not privileged as them or who depend on them. So being independent is a positive trait. it is easier for an independent woman to leave an abusive relationship that it for the one that is dependent.

Am I living in the fake world? Wow, never knew

Why does it seem like you guys think I'm against a woman being independent? Or I am against anyone being independent.
I see the problem now.

I agree with you, except where you shaded me.

All I'm saying that taking advantage of people because of privilege is wrong. Never said independence is not a positive trait.

Apogee14:
you havent seen magun that catches men ? you havent seen wives that use juju so that their men get stuck to the woman ? or juju by women where you will not get erection again ? lmao siddon there.

as for wuraola and oni, that is a special case for royalty that applies all over the world. when diana divorced charles and she was dating dodi fayed the whole british establishment were angry and in fact some say she was killed. point being royalties all over the world have their own protocols and that has nothing to do with society at large. it is just royalty protocol

the head of most yoruba families are the women. the man is just like a non-existent figure head. its the woman laying down all the laws

British royal house is rooted in partriachy don't let mordenisation fool you. just ask king Henry the eight and his wives.

you know you are lieing as per your last point.How many Yoruba kingdom's are headed by women?

Do you trace your ancestry through your mothers?

What is the name of the most ancient matriarch of Yoruba land. I only know about Obatala and lamurudu. and they are clearly males. why don't you trace your lineage thru females?

As I said earlier you need to Google the meaning of matriarchy because you clearly don't know the meaning.

Humanistme:



British royal house is rooted in partriachy don't let mordenisation fool you. just ask king Henry the eight and his wives.

you know you are lieing as per your last point.How many Yoruba kingdom's are headed by women?

Do you trace your ancestry through your mothers?

What is the name of the most ancient matriarch of Yoruba land. I only know about Obatala and lamurudu. and they are clearly males. why don't you trace your lineage thru females?

As I said earlier you need to Google the meaning of matriarchy because you clearly don't know the meaning.

you dont trace the lineage through females because of biology. humans are sperm-cells and the egg is like the incubator or the house where the sperm cells grow. if you look at a baby in the womb its shaped like a big sperm cell. so the sperm-cell is who you are. this is why ancestry is traced through fathers / males. its biology and nothing to do with patriarchy

Apogee14:
you dont trace the lineage through females because of biology. humans are sperm-cells and the egg is like the incubator or the house where the sperm cells grow. if you look at a baby in the womb its shaped like a big sperm cell. so the sperm-cell is who you are. this is why ancestry is traced through fathers / males. its biology and nothing to do with patriarchy

On point

Humanistme:


Deylar I now get your point. I just re-read the original article the Op made it seem like it is the woman 's fault for getting abused just because she is dependent on her husband sorry I misunderstood you.

No problem

I'm out. I've done my argument quota for the rest of the week.

Adaumunocha:
I suppose you bear your mum name cos that's what matriarchy is all about in a society. We operate a patriarchal system here pls.

these, is one of the reasons why equality will never be possible, what then happen when children start bearing their mothers name, won't that be oppression against men...if your answer is yes,whose surname should children take,mother or father or both...what the solution towards this dilemma

The family is the bedrock of society. It's were values are transmitted from one generation to another and children are brought up to be responsible adults.

The role of the mother and wife in achieving the above cannot be overemphasized. A lot of the problems plaguing our youths today... Drugs, cultism, criminality, prostitution, etc would've been avoided if fathers and mothers provide effective parenting.

A woman that chose marriage over career is therefore not inferior to those who do not. Of course the two are not mutually exclusive. A wise woman will seek to leave a balanced life that would fulfill her as a person, woman and mother to the blessing of her family and mankind.

God in his wisdom have set forth principles of order, love and respect among others as foundation for happy family life.

Violation of these principles under the guise of civilization is responsible for the many societal ills plaguing our communities today.

Apogee14:
you dont trace the lineage through females because of biology. humans are sperm-cells and the egg is like the incubator or the house where the sperm cells grow. if you look at a baby in the womb its shaped like a big sperm cell. so the sperm-cell is who you are. this is why ancestry is traced through fathers / males. its biology and nothing to do with patriarchy

This your explanation alone is enough to end your bullshit argument. it shows you clearly run a patriarchy in yorubaland.

Akan society is matrilineal thet trace their ancestry through their female and they pocess the same biological traits as the rest of us.

Also you need to get yourself an embroyology text book. it is not the sperm that grows, the sperm combines with the ovum to form an embryo.

The woman also contributes her genetic materials also so don't reduce her to just an incubator you sexist prig lieing about yoruba land being a matriarchy.

lobiologs:
Actually its the whole country, we view marriage as the pinnacle of achievement and a good family means you are really successful in life.

that is bullcrap.

we all have diverse ways of viewing success and thats not what the nigerian system teaches, you have to make it and have a family so that people can accord you some level of respect oor you will be viewed as someone who is followed by some imaginary folks from back home.

this is a stage we have to outgrow as a country in general or else we wont grow past our other misconceptions about life and how it has to play out.

stop inflicting your opinions on the world,telling them to grow out of their value system is taking their freedom of choice from them...it like me saying you must return back to hunting for foods with leave as your clothing

Humanistme:



British royal house is rooted in partriachy don't let mordenisation fool you. just ask king Henry the eight and his wives.

you know you are lieing as per your last point.How many Yoruba kingdom's are headed by women?

Do you trace your ancestry through your mothers?

What is the name of the most ancient matriarch of Yoruba land. I only know about Obatala and lamurudu. and they are clearly males. why don't you trace your lineage thru females?

As I said earlier you need to Google the meaning of matriarchy because you clearly don't know the meaning.

Haven't you heard of Moremi or Osun at least I've read of both

Humanistme:


This your explanation alone is enough to end your bullshit argument. it shows you clearly run a patriarchy in yorubaland.

Akan society is matrilineal thet trace their ancestry through their female and they pocess the same biological traits as the rest of us.

Also you need to get yourself an embroyology text book. it is not the sperm that grows, the sperm combines with the ovum to form an embryo.

The woman also contributes her genetic materials also so don't reduce her to just an incubator you sexist prig lieing about yoruba land being a matriarchy.

and again i repeat, matriachy is not in who you trace your genetics through. it is in how women are perceived in society. arab country for example ? that is a patriarchal society. women are not allowed to drive or to be out in public without a man or without covering their face. in nigeria ? women can be whatever they want to be. women run the house. rich women run the country. alakija and diezani used to slap men upanda. whats my point ? nigeria is matriachal and not patriachal so feminism is a mute point. feminism is borne out of oppresion of women. so keep quiet bro. you are a mangina.

NiggaBoi:
I have come across a sizeable number of ladies and I always love engaging them in different types of conversations. I'm a person that's so focused about making a good living for myself so I'm always interested in seeing everyone around me successful and doing great. But it really breaks my heart every time I ask my female friends what they picture their future like.

The first thing they always talk about is getting married. They got me thinking and I got to understand why. The average African girl has been brought up with the mentality that marriage is the greatest achievement for them. That's why we have a lot of females feeding off men and depending on them for everything.

Our society not having enough independent females is one of the major causes of abuse of women. I'm always happy when I see females excelling and doing well in their various career paths and family life. But I guess the mentality of viewing marriage as the greatest achievement for a female has to be abolished. Our society will be better if we have as much successful females as their male counterparts.

My name is Ola, and I'm a male feminist.

Pls the mods should help me push this to FP.

Which one be male feminist!

supersystemsnig:



I agree, making women solely dependent on men make them subtly manipulated in many marriages. It is good for women to be educated, have a degree or two, or have standing so if a relationship turns toxic, they won't be left without covering. The law should be adjusted so no man can abscond or divorce a woman without financial cover for up to three years minimum. If this is done, i think many women will be protected. It can start with you, and not just social media enlightenment, craft laws about what you feel should change in the current system and push it through humanitarian bodies. Many of us support healthy functional happy marriages that can be achieved through modifying laws to the betterment of the lives of women...Start today my lady...

these is hogwash, financials for women after divorce, what about men,so you are saying only women should be recipient of money after a divorce, is these what feminism is all about...more money for women irrespective of who is at fault?

supersystemsnig:



Education alleviates dependency. Many females are made to be dependent on their marriages and this leaves them exposed on the back side, pursue female education, skill acquisition and it will get better. Are you aware that in 1957, a bill was passed into law in U.S. that enabled couples get access to loan if they agreed to marry, and this greatly affected three generations in U.S. This bill paved the way into what we now call feminism, in fact feminism was rooted into the healthy marriages that was produced in the aftermath of this law. The truth is many men treat women as bad commodities in many marriages. If men are not ready for marriages, they should leave this women be. look around the society, marriages have turned to graveyards and many women die in it. Infact i know a man that beat his wife till she died from internal injury, and when she died, he carted her goods away, opened another store, and was using her business even after her death, everyone has people like this around,i'm so sure you can relate perfectly.


Much of the terrible marriages we have is because the male sees himself as the sole benefactor and abuses it because power is poorly managed by so many people. So there's need for societal restructuring, not in resources alone, but in how the law upholds and supports marriage...My two cent..What exactly is this argument about?

this one is just a chauvinist blaming everything on men

Apogee14:
and again i repeat, matriachy is not in who you trace your genetics through. it is in how women are perceived in society. arab country for example ? that is a patriarchal society. women are not allowed to drive or to be out in public without a man or without covering their face. in nigeria ? women can be whatever they want to be. women run the house. rich women run the country. alakija and diezani used to slap men upanda. whats my point ? nigeria is matriachal and not patriachal so feminism is a mute point. feminism is borne out of oppresion of women. so keep quiet bro. you are a mangina.

women run which country? how many influential Obas are women? how many female presidents have we hard?

like I. said before you clearly don't know the meaning of matriarchy. you have your head in your ass.


matriarchy


etymology ▼ shownoun (plural matriarchies)A social system in which the mother is head of household, having authority over men and children. A system of government by females (particularly as a kind of polity).The dominance of women in social or cultural systems.

Tell me again how we run a matriarchy in Nigeria.




toks2008 this nigga here says woman is the head of the house in Yoruba land do you agree?

Humanistme:


women run which country? how many influential Obas are women? how many female presidents have we hard?

like I. said before you clearly don't know the meaning of matriarchy. you have your head in your ass.


matriarchy


etymology ▼ shownoun (plural matriarchies)A social system in which the mother is head of household, having authority over men and children. A system of government by females (particularly as a kind of polity).The dominance of women in social or cultural systems.

Tell me again how we run a matriarchy in Nigeria.

OK maybe i should say nigeria is neither a patriarchy or a matriarchy. nigeria is run by whomever has the balls to grab power. if that person is a woman ? she will rule the men. so we are neither. so there is no need for feminism. as a woman get your money right and you will be slapping all kinds of men upanda lol. money is power in naija. we run a MONEYARCHY LMAO

Pidgin2:


Haven't you heard of Moremi or Osun at least I've read of both

and? if you don't understand the context don't quote me.

How many moremis and oshuns are there compared to their male counter parts.

it is as if you yourself don't also know the meaning of martriachy

etymology ▼ shownoun (plural matriarchies)A social system in which the mother is head of household, having authority over men and children. A system of government by females (particularly as a kind of polity).

The dominance of women in social or cultural systems.


so ask yourself if moremi is the norm or an exception?

Apogee14:
OK maybe i should say nigeria is neither a patriarchy or a matriarchy. nigeria is run by whomever has the balls to grab power. if that person is a woman ? she will rule the men. so we are neither. so there is no need for feminism. as a woman get your money right and you will be slapping all kinds of men upanda lol. money is power in naija. we run a MONEYARCHY LMAO

you you have accepted your mistake I'm glad.

But we. still need feminism many cultures in Nigeria is patriarchal and inequality exists.

Futureberry:
these is hogwash, financials for women after divorce, what about men,so you are saying only women should be recipient of money after a divorce, is these what feminism is all about...more money for women irrespective of who is at fault?

You spoke well.. I got carried away, cause when we look at our society, the female folks suffer more than the male folk

Humanistme:


you you have accepted your mistake I'm glad.

But we. still need feminism many cultures in Nigeria is patriarchal and inequality exists.

not a mistake. the major bulk of the mistake was on your path by saying we run a patriarchy which is never the case in nigeria. well i guess we were both wrong. we run a moneyarchy

Futureberry:
this one is just a chauvinist blaming everything on men

Hahaha, nope nau, i'm speaking for cases when women are the victims, ofcourse it takes two to tango.

op u your view is cool but then look at itnfrom this angle...of the women are allowed to choose career over marriage ,how does the continuation of life continues?note this every woman desire to have a man for get all these feminism's ish ...when they start getting old they sure will need a man so its a natural thing...

now of they are allowed to raise the kids alone via the baby mama saga imagine what those children will be like where there's no man in the household.. how will they get there moral lessons and discipline...

don't forget every woman needs to have a child of her own....don't come here to brainwash girls into doing something they will regret in the future... look at Selena Williams and Beyonce who became feminist ...don't dey have men now they call husband but they misleaded some women...be wise

Apogee14:
not a mistake. the major bulk of the mistake was on your path by saying we run a patriarchy which is never the case in nigeria. well i guess we were both wrong. we run a moneyarchy

This nigga is just a master spinner. you stated that African societies run a matriarchy which is why I quoted you in the first place by asking you if Igbo and Yoruba land are in Europe. stop lieing.

Humanistme:



This nigga is just a master spinner. you stated that African societies run a matriarchy which is why I quoted in the first place by asking you if Igbo and Yoruba land are in Europe. stop lieing.

but you said we run a patriarchy so you were wrong too. we both stand corrected lmao. we live and learn.

Apogee14:
but you said we run a patriarchy so you were wrong too. we both stand corrected lmao. we live and learn.

I'm not wrong most societies in Africa run a patriarchy.