Hiccups:


No church is under attack, some pastors have been criticized though. Why do OP see Freeze as an unbeliever? Do all of Christ Embassy Teachings agree with RCCG? Does this in any way makes them unbelievers?

The problem with people like OP is their inability to realized Pentecostal churches is a product of disagreement with some teachings in protestant churches. Until OP clarify how

pentecostal churches sprang up, you lack every reasons to demonize Freeze

No one us sayin a particular church is under attack. Wen we say the church, we mean the body of christ. The fact that my church and my pastor's name is not called doesn't mean we are not part of the ridicule and attack

Desyner:

if you interprete the above verse to mean tithe is less important what do you make of this part :

"and not leave the other undone" ?
Tithe is should not be left undone. You don't place something that's mandatory in a scale of preference sir.

In the same passage, Jesus clarified that they were still subject to the seat of Moses, and were still under the law (Matthew 23:2, Galatians 4:4)
In the same passage, Jesus also commands to observe and do what the Pharisees say, so why is only one of Jesus’ commands relevant? (Matthew 23:3)
What is commanded under the newer, authoritative law? (1 Corinthians 9:14)
If Jesus’ command here was confirming tithing for the Church, then he was also confirming that food was still the only acceptable gift of the tithe. So why do you give money?
If 10% tithing is still commanded because of what Jesus said here, then you must obey the strict guidelines that go with it, because Jesus not only endorsed their tithing but also the Pharisees’ meticulousness as well.
Jesus also kept the Passover as well. So why not keep it too? (Matthew 26:17)

Desyner:

if you interprete the above verse to mean tithe is less important what do you make of this part :

"and not leave the other undone" ?
Tithe is should not be left undone. You don't place something that's mandatory in a scale of preference sir.

Lemme assume you read half my post and jumped into conclusion

Am not in any way saying tithe is not important

You spoke about scale of preference

I think the verse preferences it already

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The bolded is of more weight or preference than tithe

That' my point, am not saying you shouldn't pay tithe, cause the verse didn't infer we shouldn't pay tithe, but we should give more attention to the bolded than requiring tithe from people

That reminds me of the word of our Lord, how he said, if when you go to the alter, and you remember that you have sth against another, settle it first, obedience everything first, meet the divine standard and every other thing gracias

NigerDeltan:


Show me a G.O that does not accumulate wealth for ghimself, show me one without a bank account balance worth N500m and above

All of them benefitted from the missionary schools but today they can't on their own subsidize education for the poor followers, building universities that charge as high as 500,000 per semester

Apart from TB Joshua non has done anything visible to help those at the IDP camp

Are u a christian? Do u knw what the Bible says about not letting ur left hand know wen ur right hand is giving? Some of this churches operate like that. U think it is all the time they go with camera to show the world what they are doing? As a matter of fact, those who gave so that the world will see that they are giving have received their reward from men- which of course is the encomiums the likes of u are showering on them (na so bible talk) so don't say what u're not sure of. It will shock u to knw what some of these churches do with their money in terms of outreach.

be careful what you say.Everyone should speak from a place of conviction based on their relationship with God.

Biety:
Now, this is holy spirit inspired message, whoever disagrees with it is not of God.

We need more of this type of

message from you. We can not fold our hands and allow people who know nothing concerning spiritual things to keep misleading the babes in faith.

God bless you and happy sabath.

obatoro:


In the same passage, Jesus clarified that they were still subject to the seat of Moses, and were still under the law (Matthew 23:2, Galatians 4:4)
In the same passage, Jesus also commands to observe and do what the Pharisees say, so why is only one of Jesus’ commands relevant? (Matthew 23:3)
What is commanded under the newer, authoritative law? (1 Corinthians 9:14)
If Jesus’ command here was confirming tithing for the Church, then he was also confirming that food was still the only acceptable gift of the tithe. So why do you give money?
If 10% tithing is still commanded because of what Jesus said here, then you must obey the strict guidelines that go with it, because Jesus not only endorsed their tithing but also the Pharisees’ meticulousness as well.
Jesus also kept the Passover as well. So why not keep it too? (Matthew 26:17)

I can hardly make sense of what you posting. I suspect the anti-seed movement is recession inspired.

Ofcourse Jesus did foretell that in this world, the church shall have tribulations? Well, he indeed still comforted us that we should not worry or be weary that he had overcome the world. (Cosmos- also used to refer to the spirits that influence the world)


He told Peter when he was about to leave, that upon this rock (refering to himself. Jesus always spoke in parables. Remember the rock that Moses struck angrily that God pronounced judgement on him?) shall I build mu church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. It's easy to fight the church but God has the final say.

sureheaven:
When freeze or any of his household will be in trouble, he will be taken to one of those pastors he criticizes most time for deliverance, then he will know God still uses some people .

From the way you wrote. I can tell how you pray

maryjames9:
Call a spade a spade. I am a Christian but from oyedepo to adeboye to oyhakilome to mention them pentecostal pastors. They are THIEVES.

Sorry to say this YOU'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN cos if u are, u will not be quick to call these men of God thieves. A christian will understand that the Lord hates it wen u talk against his servant and He the Lord knws how to punish his servants (men of God) wen they err. With the way u were even quick to call them thieves shows u dnt even have respect for elders.

streamsofjoy:


Are u a christian? Do u knw what the Bible says about not letting ur left hand know wen ur right hand is giving? Some of this churches operate like that. U think it is all the time they go with camera to show the world what they are doing? As a matter of fact, those who gave so that the world will see that they are giving have received their reward from men- which of course is the encomiums the likes of u are showering on them (na so bible talk) so don't say what u're not sure of. It will shock u to knw what some of these churches do with their money in terms of outreach.

I refuse to agree with you on this. It is public information that Synagogue is assisting Nigeria migrants in Libya. I think they even started before the slave issue received international attention. The Church was not doing it for public show, but a lot of people got wind of it and even their prophet TB Joshua visited Libya to meet with the migrants.

Please let’s be honest, we all witnessed what happened in the last election and how these GOs where lopsided with politicians inflicting pains in the society and how they were enjoying the relationship.

If you were to put 90 percent of Churches in Nigeria together for one week, Civil war 2 will break out..
Becoz In Worship, Doctrine, Dogma, Praise, Giving and Dressing sef we are not even united.. And this is how we expect to continue iN Heaven abi Na Paradise abi.? I laugh.
Before Freeze came we had issues.. His simple statement and antics have started making Pastors Jitter...
Its as if They now fear him more than The Devil..

maryjames9:
Call a spade a spade. I am a Christian but from oyedepo to adeboye to oyhakilome to mention them pentecostal pastors. They are THIEVES.

may God forgive you

Jesus preached To 5k and 4k Crowd in open field.. Did Thunder strike them.?
.
If a Man of God Has followers of even 20 and above.. As long as they are committed and faithfull, They will JOIN heads together and see If they need a roof over their head.. And so it will continue

nairanaira12:


Anty, stop fooling yourself. The Body of Christ is not under attack. What is under attack is the unbiblical doctrine of tithe that your hungry, gullible pastors are preaching.

Stop muddling things up. You aren't talking to fools here.

My dear I think u are the one mixing up things, u think a new convert or a semi believer will see all these criticisms and still believe in the gospel of Jesus? Some of them will begin to think being a child of the bond woman is the best since they dnt have pastors and they give alms a lot. And others will just be lost.

nairanaira12:


Anty, stop fooling yourself. The Body of Christ is not under attack. What is under attack is the unbiblical doctrine of tithe that your hungry, gullible pastors are preaching.

Stop muddling things up. You aren't talking to fools here.

and that is the reason why freeze would crop out a video and edit it to give it a different meaning to tarnish the image of a pastor where we have the full report of the story as reported by premium times in 2013?

streamsofjoy:



No one us sayin a particular church is under attack. Wen we say the church, we mean the body of christ. The fact that my church and my pastor's name is not called doesn't mean we are not part of the ridicule and attack

There is only one church. The one that Christ built. All these churches with fancy names and founders are nothing but counterfeits. They are man-made businesses governed by mere men who are competing with the "people of the world" for the destructible wealth of this world.

Desyner:

I can hardly make sense of what you posting. I suspect the anti-seed movement is recession inspired.

Of course you are not supposed to understand. The word of God does not really make sense to carnal Christians.
Because you only understand what you hear people say and not what the word of God says.
I really don't understand what you mean by ANTI SEED. Tithe is not a seed.
Whatever you mean by recession I do not know. All I know is that I give more than mere 10% of my income to the expansion of the word of God. And I do not need to say that I have people that are not even related to me that I pay their school fees yearly. As am writing to you I'm paying somebody's house rent tomorrow.
Please don't always be in a hurry to pass judgement.
Study your bible and don't read it as a novel, it is a powerful book God bless You and happy Sunday.

Lumig:
Madam stop this ranting, we are all part of the church. The many crowd you see in our churches nowadays are firewood for hellfire, the truth about the gospel are scarce. How many of these church members are fit for rapture? The church has lost its focus...

Thank u dear for pointing this out. But will running the church down and ridiculing it save the situation? The point here is when u as a christian whom understands the real essence of Christianity join the unbelievers to talk against the church. How will it look when u go to outsiders to badmouth ur immediate family to outsiders who dnt like ur family even when u knw ur family has faults.

Pataricatering:
As usual , all sentiments and no scriptural backing ? Op should please forget sentiments and quote the scripture directly related to tithes ! What is your business with daddyfreeze s wristwatches ? Bring scriptural backing, abi is daddyfreeze wristwatch scriptural backing?

i have created a thread on tithing earlier. U may wanna check it out. Dis thread is about d 1b video freeze contorted so u shouldn't derail it. Quote me on d tithe thread nd i will answer

BluntBoy:


The leadership of which church?

Did God ask anyone to establish a Church aside the one He established on the words of Peter?

And supposing you insist on accusing Freeze of attacking the Church, would you also accuse him of attacking the Church when he was full of praise for T.B. Joshua's take on the issue of tithing as a Christian? Or is Joshua not also supposed to be a Church leader?

well Jesus recognized 7 churches in the book of revelation and sent John to each of them. Peter established the church at Jerusalem, paul was called and he established the gentile churches wch were far more.. If establishing churches weren't necessary, the paul wouldn't av been sending letters to them and Jesus also wouldn't av sent John d beloved to 7 churches as recorded in d book of revelation

salvation101:

Welfarism is not the way to advance the kingdom of God but by preaching the word of God

Truth. Those who have ears will hear.

Johnrake69:


Please ask @salvation101

How does the expansion of the auditorium improve the lives of people? Currently, Nigeria is in need of over 11million unit of housing to offset the housing deficit. So it makes sense to you that after attending church services in a cozy auditorium then many goes back to their their abode under the bridge. While the Go flies out of the Arena via private jet to his 5 star Palace.

There was a reason Christ was born in a manger you know?

wen u think you are smarter than God you will still end up complaining.. The word is enough to change anyone's life if you follow it. Just obey. There are living examples, i am one...

Johnrake69:


It's sad how some Christians has been brainwashed. The idea about giving in the Bible was majorly to aid wealth redistribution.
Acts 4:35 comes to mind.

the book of acts is a letter of luke to theophilus, how can u read d beginning of a letter and not read the other parts? Read chapter 6 and see how the loss of focus caused division in the church and d apostles decided that they would no more leave their main purpose and be distracted by welfarism

GodsMopol:


hmmmm

by the way

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The above verse relates to where Jesus was telling the Pharisee of their overemphasis on tithing and giving I guess

And Jesus is saying, there are better things to lay or place emphasis on.

People need to be born again

people need to know God intimately

people need to know how loving and caring God, is.

but, you have left those which you should place more emphasis on, but you lay more emphasis on that which is of least importance.

Now, don't get me wrong, the fact, Jesus said, some are weightier, does not mean, others should be trashed out, it only mean, we shouldn't put more emphasis on them, even though they are needed

I hope you know that only those against tithing lay so much emphasis on it. The ones that believe in tithing for God's sake hardly ever mention it. Those people talking about how pastors talk about tithe have never even entered most of the churches they criticise to know if the pastors actually preach only the prosperity message. From my own experience, a lot of those so-called 'endtime' churches preach the word with stronger biblical proof than the other holier-than-thou churches.

If somebody decides to give his/her hard-earned money to a church or pastor, how is it anyone's business?? In my opinion, Freeze and his supporters are just a bunch of wannabes trying so hard to be relevant. TITHING IS NOT BY FORCE!!

BreezyRita:
Nice work op. But the3 church of God doesn't need to defend herself. She is God's bride. The gates of hell shall never prevail.

True believers won't be moved by all the things Freeze has been saying.

I speak for my church now. There's a continuous flow of new converts in the church every service. The church still marches on.

yeah u r correct. My major concern was for the shaky Christians who may not really understand wat is going on

salvation101:
well Jesus recognized 7 churches in the book of revelation and sent John to each of them. Peter established the church at Jerusalem, paul was called and he established the gentile churches wch were far more.. If establishing churches weren't necessary, the paul wouldn't av been sending letters to them and Jesus also wouldn't av sent John d beloved to 7 churches as recorded in d book of revelation

The Bible was explicit about the foundation of the church being the apostles and prophets. We know who these apostles and prophets were, handpicked by Christ Himself.

Pastors are not among the original apostles, and they don't have the calling of Paul either. If they claim to be church leaders, then, they must understand that the Church leadership was a plural eldership and not a one-man business or establishment.

All the Churches were distinguished by names of cities and not by dogmas or daddy G.Os. They were one church, with apostles and prophets as the foundation and Christ as the cornerstone.

Belema5:


I hope you know that only those against tithing lay so much emphasis on it. The ones that believe in tithing for God's sake hardly ever mention it. Those people talking about how pastors talk about tithe have never even entered most of the churches they criticise to know if the pastors actually preach only the prosperity message. From my own experience, a lot of those so-called 'endtime' churches preach the word with stronger biblical proof than the other holier-than-thou churches.

If somebody decides to give his/her hard-earned money to a church or pastor, how is it anyone's business?? In my opinion, Freeze and his supporters are just a bunch of wannabes trying so hard to be relevant. TITHING IS NOT BY FORCE!!

Yea, I could remember how God spoke to me back then that I should always tithe

I believe in some kingdom principles and I want to start reading the old testament to mine some treasures

I was meditating on that verse some hours ago, and I realised that, it won't be hard to give, if we understands that God loves us or we see Gods love been poured out on us.

Many of this things, we try to relate them, but even at our realm, they can not be uttered, because words can't best express the things of the spirit. I really feel for those criticizing the Pentecostal movement. They don't know what they are missing

My motto remains, PREACH THE GOSPEL

BluntBoy:


Such wisdom. God bless you, sir.

I told a pastor once that if only the Church can be more modest in her spending, our problems will start vanishing.

Why does a pastor need a private jet? Will he die if he doesn't own one. Definitely not.

Why does he need expensive clothes and shoes and cars?

Why does he need expensive church buildings?

If they can be more modest, they will not need to collect a tithe or huge donations all the time.

If a pastor can fly in a commercial plane, live in a modest bungalow, dress modestly, emphasize building good Christians with scruples rather than building world-class church buildings and stadia, and encourage people to give to the poor rather than to him, people will start helping. There will be wealth redistribution. People will be less greedy and there would be no needy person in the Church, a result that would reflect in the society.

It is so sad that Christians are becoming more materialistic than the "people of the world".

God bless you too sir.

It's really sad that the doctrines of these pastors has left us in more misery. It has fuelled greed. Selfishness as against selflessness Christ preached about. It's all about me. As far as I can afford the good things of life, to hell with the next man.

Humility is far from them. It's getting worse by the day. Growing up Christianity still had some virtues worthy of emulation. I remember in the village back then. Our Catholic priest will stop by on the way to church to pick up old people to church.

Johnrake69:


God bless you too sir.

It's really sad that the doctrines of these pastors has left us in more misery. It has fuelled greed. Selfishness as against selflessness Christ preached about. It's all about me. As far as I can afford the good things of life, to hell with the next man.

Humility is far from them. It's getting worse by the day. Growing up Christianity still had some virtues worthy of emulation. I remember in the village back then. Our Catholic priest will stop by on the way to church to pick up old people to church.

It is just so sad.

NigerDeltan:


Show me a G.O that does not accumulate wealth for ghimself, show me one without a bank account balance worth N500m and above

All of them benefitted from the missionary schools but today they can't on their own subsidize education for the poor followers, building universities that charge as high as 500,000 per semester

Apart from TB Joshua non has done anything visible to help those at the IDP camp

Just public opinion... no verified facts.

You see your life? So because others don't go to tv to advertise their vilified?

When we say keep quiet, you refuse to hear. See how you attract judgement to yourself. Many of you assume you will go scot-free after persecuting the church... You lie!


http://www.lw-news.com/posts/1000-children-displaced-by-boko-haram-insurgency-receive-back2school-kits?page=2

http://theinnercitymission.org/what_about_the_children/ce-yola-powers-relief-mission-to-boko-haram-victims/

https://loveworldnews.com/posts/innercity-mission-extends-hope-and-succor-to-flood-victims-in-makurdi-nigeria

BluntBoy:


There is only one church. The one that Christ built. All these churches with fancy names and founders are nothing but counterfeits. They are man-made businesses governed by mere men who are competing with the "people of the world" for the destructible wealth of this world.

I think u just corroborated my point to the extent of " the body of christ"

Johnrake69:


God bless you too sir.

It's really sad that the doctrines of these pastors has left us in more misery. It has fuelled greed. Selfishness as against selflessness Christ preached about. It's all about me. As far as I can afford the good things of life, to hell with the next man.

Humility is far from them. It's getting worse by the day. Growing up Christianity still had some virtues worthy of emulation. I remember in the village back then. Our Catholic priest will stop by on the way to church to pick up old people to church.

So you don't do that? That's wicked