AntiBrutus:


No woman will be dumb enough to go chanting such. She wouldn't even get the required back-up from the society to make it trend.

greiboy:
Nope, men don't necessarily only offer sex They demand for sex

it is a bidding process where the most capable of men get the best or most shares in Africa

How many ladies seriously aspire for independence for the reason you highlighted in your post?

Why do you think men value sex more than women? Aren't most people (men and women alike) who are sexually active always looking for ways to satisfy their sexual orgies?

MissWrite:
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Lol. Yes, I think the bolded can be said. It's definitely two sides of a coin.



I understand.

I only meant that in the sense that people can decide what they're wiling to "give" in a relationship even before any requests are made from the other person. People have the right and sometimes the tendency to hold back on things they have the capacity to give for reasons best known to them.

For it to happen, there are two offers and two acceptances; one active, one passive (whenever a person initiates it). You've got to be ready to give it in order to receive it. It's like the traditional Protestant wedding vow where both parties pledge to accept each other and offer themselves to one another at the same time. And for it not to happen, there are either no offers, or one offer and one rejection.

MissWrite:




SSG, you're always determined to disagree with me. But here, in this case........I don't see why you would.

1. When you say men demand sex, and I say that's what they value from a woman's repertoire; I don't see the disagreement. You have to value something to want it and then demand it.

2. What reason did I cite for the aspiration for independence by some women? To have social value whether they have a man or not (last paragraph)? The number is staggering, actually. Enough to constitute a movement.

3. I did not say men "like" sex more than women. I thought my junk food analogy was apt .

donstan18:
Sex should be a mutual and equal possessive emotional feeling that can only take place with the help of both genders(M/Female). But as a result of our African societal believe and mindset comes this rude motion against women that goes like this.... MOST WOMEN OFFERS NOTHING BUT SEX , yes, I may have used it, but loudly and logically thinking, I simply do not think a woman can only offer sex without the contribution of men, I don't think a particular gender offers sex, I maybe wrong thou.

Now my questions are.

-Is it proper to say "Women" offers sex when it's a two gender thing?

-Can we say "MEN" offer sex aswell?, if YES, why then do they foot the bills of some women to get sex they offer?

-Do women offer sex?

-Do men offer sex?, if YES, can a broke man who offers only sex in a relationship be tagged "Cheap and useless"?

-Who offers sex?


greiboy
Antibrutus
MissWrite
lefulefu
RuthDaniels
tosyne2much
ubunja


Any form of opinions are highly welcomed.

greiboy:
lol

I don't always disagree. I have actually made my points and on the topic clear since yesterday, which seems to go against your views in this case.

1) Men demand for sex because women hoard it not because they value it more than women. Women create artificial scarcity to use sex as bargaining chip to gain unfair advantages, particularly those women who have nothing else to offer. who might be in the majority in Africa and Nigeria society in particular based on observations of antibroke men sentiment among Nigerian women

2) You made reference to the fact that women try to gain financial independence because they want to free themselves from a mygonist society. They want to have greater control of their destiny and I asked if you sincerely believed that to be the only reason why women seek independence in Nigeria, because other available information about the rise of young ladies turning sugar mummy
and demanding for sex might go against your assertions

3) I thought you said men "most men value sex and much else" to make it seem like women don't actually value sex as much as men. which is why I asked if you believe men like sex more than women?
.

MissWrite:


Lol. Okay. That's valid, in my opinion.

greiboy:
ok no p

Happy weekend

greiboy:
Now you are mixing two important issues together

1) It is not a crime for women to offer sex or ask for sex from their partners in romantic relationships because we all have sexual orgies that must be satisfied and who is in a better place to satisfy it than your partner.

It is way better than cheating

2) It is wrong when women or men offer sex to every random stranger or guy/ladies they meet.

It is bad and can become a habit which may eventually wreck any present or future relationship


It doesn't make them a LovePeddler/prostitutes, but it makes them promiscuous or even sluts.

That single act of offering sex to random people is what gave rise to the use of the word "bitcch" among humans to qualify a woman that bleeps any random guy.

Sagamite:


Yes, women offer sex and men don't, in general.

Women are evolutionarily built to be more attractive than men. They are equipped with more features of attractiveness and subtleness of features. Men are equipped with features to poke (bam bam shagawabam) and to demonstrate strength.

They are a more beautiful and attractive creature. Simple! That is why I can never have an iota of understanding of the brain of homosexual men.

As women are generally more attractive, it is far more easier for them to get sex, so they don't need any offers.

They offer it to men, who on average, find it harder to get sex using their features.

Men have to demonstrate to women why they be the one to have sex with her. That is done by demonstrating position, assets, potential performance, emotional connection and/or long-term benefits.

When a man wants to bone the living day light out of a woman, it is facilitated by his attraction to her physical features.

Up to this day in my life, I am yet to meet a woman I want to bone because:

- "Oh, she is so intelligent"
- "Oh, she has a great job"
- "Oh, she is rich"
- "Oh, she cooks like Iya Morufu"
- "Oh, she is such a good singer"
- "Oh, her handwriting looks very nice"

NOOOOOO!

I look at her fcking body and then think I would love to fck the shenanigans out of that fcking body.

To keep it long-term is when the secondary kicks in: her personality. So they don't only offer sex if it is a long-term thing.

On the other hand, the features of a man that normally triggers women wanting sex from a man is (a) what is in it for her on the long term [a keeper] or (b) she just wants to be naughty [usually no strings].

At the end of the day, in both situations a & b, the men usually have to prove to her that she would get what she wants before she offers the sex.

Jman06:
A good woman does not only offer sex but also offers companionship, great food, some even offer money etc. In marriage they also bear children and nurse them until they grow.
Many Nigerian ladies can't even offer great sex. They would lay like log of wood as the man sweats it out. They hardly even initiate sex or go on the offensive during sex and that makes them boring in bed. But we'll continue to wife the few good ones among them who can offer other things than their boring sex.

donstan18:


Cool, you are in general saying that women offer sex to men, ofwhich we should disregard the motion that sex is a both gender tabling....sex should now be said to be a woman's thing if i'm to agree with you.

Sagamite:


Why is it wrong?

Sagamite:


Yep.

In general, uncomprehensive and basic summarisation: "Women offer sex in exchange for men offering long-term companionship ".

greiboy:

@bolded

Exactly!!!
.

Sex is seen as a bargaining chip amongst women, even though sex is supposed to be enjoyed by both genders.

Sex is not mutual to most ladies, it is an offer they need to use to gain unfair advantages.

Women in our African societies create an artificial scarcity and only present it to the most financially capable.

On most occasions, this financially capable guys can have more than five options, while the less privilege may not be opportune to get one

And in most cases, only what those ladies have to offer

Sagamite:


Sex can only be used as a bargaining chip for unfair advantage for guys who decide to put one woman on a pedestal and make her believe you do not have alternative avenues.

May Olodumare never make me that kind of guy.

Wife/Girlfriend/Fuckbody/Interest, if you don't gi'me sex, I would always strive to get it from other avenues, which I would been consistently developing anyway, just in case.

Always strive to engage from a position of strength and comfort from any group/individual who you know is selfish & unpredictable, and has power of benefaction over you.

A person with numerous choices does not beg for a choice.

greiboy:

1) Medically it is not right as it may have impact on the health of the person, on the long run. I know you will talk about protection, but some of the victims of sexually transmitted diseases have also claimed to have used protection before their ordeal

greiboy:

2)it is about ethics.

greiboy:

I believe our brain works in a uniform way, so certain traits can give insight into other possible characters of the same person. I won't consider such a person as having any moral conduct or standards.

I also believe the person is cheap based on society generally accepted ethics and moral standards when it comes to sex.

NB: look at the definition of cheap, slut and promiscuous to clarify these point

greiboy:

3)I believe such people indulging in sexual practice with random people may also may put the lifes of others in danger on the long run besides STDs , retribution from a jealous lover, confrontation with possible Physical assault etc ....

Chikita66:
Bla bla bla bla bla, what do men offer in relationship if women offer only sex?

donstan18:


@Bolded.

In reverse, are long-term companionships meant for only men to offer?

if YES, should we now concur to the cliche that "Women offers nothing but sex in a relationship".

If NO, what then do men give in exchange for women's long-term companionship.

I need to understand you point well.

donstan18:


@Bolded.

In reverse, are long-term companionships meant for only men to offer?

if YES, should we now concur to the cliche that "Women offers nothing but sex in a relationship".

If NO, what then do men give in exchange for women's long-term companionship.

I need to understand you point well.

Sagamite:


Huh?

Medically?

What impact? Please highlight what scientific research you are referring to.



Amsorry!

Whose ethics?



Erm .................."your" opinion?



Maybe.

But even humans having sex at all "may also put the lifes of others in danger on the long run besides STDs , retribution from a jealous lover, confrontation with possible Physical assault etc ....".

So what does that tell you?

greiboy:
Exactly bro

nice points

It is just slightly hard for most guys to reach that high position you speak of in your post.

But I get your point.

greiboy:


1) People are more at risk of sexually transmitted diseases when they have sex with random partners than when they don't have sex with a person, I believe this a scientific proven facts

Of course, there are other reasons for sexually transmitted diseases. which must all equally be avoided if possible

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sexually-transmitted-diseases-stds/symptoms-causes/syc-20351240

greiboy:

2) Ethics is a set of moral principles, especially ones relating to or affirming a specified group, field, or form of conduct.

I maid mentioned of searching for the definition of cheap, slut and promiscuous to clarify how sleeping around can be considered as unethical

greiboy:

3) Every thing we do in life is putting us at potential risk of something, but some of our actions might increase the risk and chances of something bad happening

For example, Driving on the road is potentially dangerous activity that could lead to death, no matter how careful we may claim to be, but drinking and driving increases the risk of an accident.

Same analogy can be applied to sex..

Safiaaa:
Its very rare to find men who can’t be manipulated with sex. That’s every mans weak point, and women know this and that’s why they use it to their advantage. If more men could halve self control, then women will not be able to use their pussy to get what they want from you. But unfortunately, that will never happen. Women will continue to take adantage of your weakness. And men will continue to shout that’s all they offer when indirectly that’s all you value. It’s a cycle

Sagamite:


More at risk! Good!

So you know there is risk with a single person too?

Now what do you understand about:

a) Risk mitigation?

b) Risk-reward balance?

You realise you can have zero-risk of sexually transmitted disease if you don't engage in sex?



So are culture and tradition.

And many of such are full of illogical, inconsistent, moronic shyt.

Do you know where such can kiss in my wonderful anatomy?



This goes back to the question in (1).

greiboy:
The higher the risk the higher the reward, but do you also understand we have different risk apatite to begin with, especially if the risk isn't really worth the stress

Will I risk my life for pleasurable experience, hell no

It is like my analogy of drinking and driving or answering a phone call while driving. it has massive reward because you will completing two task at the same time, but if it goes wrong, death could be the ultimate price


Same analogy applies to sex, Good pleasure but death could be the ultimate price


2) This culture and tradition is not illogical especially when the risk is obviously not worth the risk.

Sagamite:


So you have got a bit of grasp on risk management.

Now tell me why you think the risk is not worth it?

greiboy:


The reward is only pleasurable experience that will last for some seconds or minutes

The risk are diseases, physical assault and emotional trauma and the ultimate price of death that could last for a life time

It is quite obvious the risk isn't worth the reward

Neyoor:


Either offer sex or make sex, this is only peculiar to sex outside marriage. When you are married, you make love and don't offer sex. Making love is mutualistic hence the reason for the uniqueness of its contextual and literal meaning. in my mother's tongue, they called it "Ibalopo" which is the art of making love.

However, sex outside wedlock could be regarded as anything, according to why and what people indulging in it are getting from it. Ladies offer sex same as men, for the financial reason, pleasure and other personal beliefs.

Sagamite:


Before I respond to this, please first tell me how you apply this your own risk appetite.

In regards to sex.

No sex?

No sex before marriage?

No sex unless in a committed relationship (whatever the fck that means)?

No sex until I see a health certificate?

No sex unless a girl demonstrates to me that she is religious and frigid?

No sex with multiple women at a time?

Please highlight for me.to

greiboy:
Now you are mixing two important issues together

1) It is not a crime for women to offer sex or ask for sex from their partners in romantic relationships because we all have sexual orgies that must be satisfied and who is in a better place to satisfy it than your partner.

It is way better than cheating

2) It is wrong when women or men offer sex to every random stranger or guy/ladies they meet.

It is bad and can become a habit which may eventually wreck any present or future relationship


It doesn't make them a LovePeddler/prostitutes, but it makes them promiscuous or even sluts.

That single act of offering sex to random people is what gave rise to the use of the word "bitcch" among humans to qualify a woman that bleeps any random guy.

I'm not sure we all do.. I've never been in an orgy

obiorathesubtle:




I'm not sure we all do.. I've never been in an orgy