HardMirror:
no.

Why did you stop?

Immorttal:
@ Martinez19 you were never a true christian.

Of course. I became an atheist so that I can watch porn and sleep with my neighbour's daughter.

Martinez19:
Of course. I became an atheist so that I can watch porn and sleep with my neighbour's daughter.

you say

but i still hope your journey matures well, the first step of discovering God is through atheism, oh did i mention God? There is no God, the universe is a CIVILIZATION. This you will found out when you delve deep. you'll discover so many answers to some critical questions going on through your mind, your best teacher is being open-mindedeness i.e do not believe everything you read in a book but read as many books on religion and you might find the answer you seek.

pressplay411:


Why did you stop?

because he found out it was all self deceit and scam duhh

Immorttal:
you say

but i still hope your journey matures well, the first step of discovering God is through atheism, oh did i mention God? There is no God, the universe is a CIVILIZATION. This you will found out when you delve deep. you'll discover so many answers to some critical questions going on through your mind, your best teacher is being open-mindedeness i.e do not believe everything you read in a book but read as many books on religion and you might find the answer you seek.

Okay o.

pressplay411:


Why did you stop?

cos it is all a facade

HardMirror:
cos it is all a facade

I don't understand. Were the miracles you performed not real? Were they arranged?

HardMirror:
of course. As i explained before, the fact that chemicals can alter your thoughts shows that the brain is centre to it all. Same way everything you have the capacity to think about is a function of what your brain processes, what you see, what you hear etc. These are the data that makes up your thoughts. Without them what would you think?

Also notice you only think in a language you know. Eg english that is because that is what you hear and your brain stores. Parts of your brain can be cut off and you wont be able to think again. Go read about lobotomy

I am multilingual. I think in two languages. And yes, "everything I have the capacity to think about is a function of what my brain processes, what I see, what I hear etc", including what I reason, and whatever I can make up in my brain".

I'm going to think about this some.

frank317:


I actually used the word meaningless because people actually refer the word 'mind' to be somewhere else rather than the brain. There is actually no location in the brain called the mind.

But is there therefore not a thing called, 'mind'?

budaatum:

But is there therefore not a thing called, 'mind'?

Mind is not a thing

frank317:


Mind is not a thing

mind is an abstract pact of the brain and central nervous system. Nothing can happen without a thought and thought is process in the mind

pressplay411:


I don't understand. Were the miracles you performed not real? Were they arranged?

no they seemed real but were not really miracles as we would think. Eg praying for the sick worked a lot. Not all the time but to a good extent you see people with malaria and stuff get healed but i have come to realize that it is a phycho-physical interaction. Our mental state could lead to the release of hormones that plays a major role in how strong we are. Eg fear releases adrenalin which makes it possible for even an injured man to run. The atmosphere of prayers could be so comforting that it relieves stress and enables the release of hormones needed for our bodies to focus on strengthening the immune system.

What ever healing you would get is always one that is naturally possible for your body. Things like organ regeneration wld be impossible. That is why no amount of prayers would heal an amputee. This alone is proof that the prayers were not the cause of healing.
Raising the dead? Sure, the 'dead' can come back to life, it happens even with non believers a quick google search wld show you that people pronounced dead do wake up more often than people think. But would a beheaded man wake up? Absolutely no.

Until prayers actually do these things that would never naturally occur, it is foolish to think prayers work

vaxx:
mind is an abstract pact of the brain and central nervous system. Nothing can happen without a thought and thought is process in the mind

indeed it is an abstract part of brain process. We call it mind not cos it is a physical entity but because we need to name the process of thoughts embodiment

HardMirror:
indeed it is an abstract part of brain process. We call it mind not cos it is a physical entity but because we need to name the process of thoughts embodiment

I am not a neurologist, but i hypothesis that further and future study may tell us many things about cortex.

vaxx:
mind is an abstract pact of the brain and central nervous system. Nothing can happen without a thought and thought is process in the mind

An abstract....

Thought is process in the mind.


Get ur story straight bro.

HardMirror:
no they seemed real but were not really miracles as we would think. Eg praying for the sick worked a lot. Not all the time but to a good extent you see people with malaria and stuff get healed but i have come to realize that it is a phycho-physical interaction. Our mental state could lead to the release of hormones that plays a major role in how strong we are. Eg fear releases adrenalin which makes it possible for even an injured man to run. The atmosphere of prayers could be so comforting that it relieves stress and enables the release of hormones needed for our bodies to focus on strengthening the immune system.

What ever healing you would get is always one that is naturally possible for your body. Things like organ regeneration wld be impossible. That is why no amount of prayers would heal an amputee. This alone is proof that the prayers were not the cause of healing.
Raising the dead? Sure, the 'dead' can come back to life, it happens even with non believers a quick google search wld show you that people pronounced dead do wake up more often than people think. But would a beheaded man wake up? Absolutely no.

Until prayers actually do these things that would never naturally occur, it is foolish to think prayers work

Did you know of psycho-physical interaction while performing those miracles?

I am asking these questions because I would like to know at what point you decided it wasn't prayer and it wasn't God.

HardMirror:
indeed it is an abstract part of brain process. We call it mind not cos it is a physical entity but because we need to name the process of thoughts embodiment

Thank u. U got the right words for me

vaxx:
I am not a neurologist, but i hypothesis that further and future study may tell us many things about cortex.

wld it tell us our thoughts are not a product of our brains? Does it seem to be going in that direction? I think our science is advance enough to know that thoughts are entirely based on our brains

frank317:


An abstract....

Thought is process in the mind.


Get ur story straight nro.

what don't you understand ,you once told me you were trained as psychologist , if so you shouldn't be having trouble regarding this concept.

HardMirror:
wld it tell us our thoughts are not a product of our brains? Does it seem to be going in that direction? I think our science is advance enough to know that thoughts are entirely based on our brains

what do you understand about the function of cortex

pressplay411:


Did you know of psycho-physical interaction while performing those miracles?

I am asking these questions because I would like to know at what point you decided it wasn't prayer and it wasn't God.

absolutely not. I stated realizing after an out reach in which we prayed for a blind community chairman in an ondo community called Ajabuto. The man had all the faith we also had faith for his healing but in the end he was still blind. It really got me thinking and reviewing a lot i thought i knew

vaxx:
what do you understand about the function of cortex

i am also not a neurologist, and i cant just start listing all i know. The summary that relates with this topic is what i have stated clearly; what we call our minds is entirely based on processes taking place in the brain

HardMirror:
i am also not a neurologist, and i cant just start listing all i know. The summary that relates with this topic is what i have stated clearly; what we call our minds is entirely based on processes taking place in the brain

Anyway, cortex is that part of the brain that regulates the thinking process and it does it in many ways...you should read about it. In particular the prefrontal cortex is the area that modulates rational thinking and it is involved with decision making too. This are all thought thinking pattern which we called mind.

HardMirror:
absolutely not. I stated realizing after an out reach in which we prayed for a blind community chairman in an ondo community called Ajabuto. The man had all the faith we also had faith for his healing but in the end he was still blind. It really got me thinking and reviewing a lot i thought i knew

OK. An unanswered prayer. A denied miracle.
How did it make you feel?
Would you say your ego was bruised?

budaatum:

But is there therefore not a thing called, 'mind'?

The mind is a property the living brain. Cut away your arm but your mind remains intact, cut certain sections of your brain and you lose some of your memory and personality. Drink, snort or inject certain chemicals and the mind changes in what it sees and hears. Your mind is the net result of the structured workings of neurotransmitters and it's receptors; nerve impulses and synaptic transmissions and the special white matter and gray matter structures. Destroy dopaminergic transmission and mental illnesses like depression, inability to handle stress, attention deficient disorder etc. results, remove the corpus callosum and notice a disintegration between the left and right cerebral hemisphere(read about split brain patients). To support HardMirror's point further, the fact that hard drugs like cocain and heroin, through chemical interactions with the brain, invoke emotions of bliss and "high" shows that our emotions have strong biological foundation.

The fact that the mind is altered when you significantly alter the brain shows that the mind is a property of the brain and it's functions are reliate on the proper functioning of the brain. The fact that the removal of certain sections of the brain leads the elimination of certain memories and certain aspects of one's personality shows you that the mind is nothing without the brain. I didn't discuss sense organs. At least you know the mind can't perceive without the sense or can the mind see without the eyes?

vaxx:
Anyway, cortex is that part of the brain that regulates the thinking process and it does it in many ways...you should read about it. In particular the prefrontal cortex is the area that modulates rational thinking and it is involved with decision making too. This are all thought thinking pattern which we called mind.

i know this already. It does not change what i have established, has it? The cortex is part of the brain, it is not part of the eyes or tongue or foot is it? This info is not changing what i am saying, you are only further establishing the fact. The mind is not a physical thing, what we call the mind is a function of cerebral process

Martinez19:
The mind is a property the living brain. Cut away your arm but your mind remains intact, cut certain sections of your brain and you lose some of your memory and personality. Drink, snort or inject certain chemicals and the mind changes in what it sees and hears. Your mind is the net result of the structured workings of neurotransmitters and it's receptors; nerve impulses and synaptic transmissions and the special white matter and gray matter structures. Destroy dopaminergic transmission and mental illnesses like depression, inability to handle stress, attention deficient disorder etc. results, remove the corpus callosum and notice a disintegration between the left and right cerebral hemisphere(read about split brain patients). To support HardMirror's point further, the fact that hard drugs like cocain and heroin, through chemical interactions with the brain, invoke emotions of bliss and "high" shows that our emotions have strong biological foundation.

The fact that the mind is altered when you significantly alter the brain shows that the mind is a property of the brain and it's functions are reliate on the proper functioning of the brain. The fact that the removal of certain sections of the brain leads the elimination of certain memories and certain aspects of one's personality shows you that the mind is nothing without the brain. I didn't discuss sense organs. At least you know the mind can't perceive without the sense or can the mind see without the eyes?

thanks for the elaboration.

HardMirror:
i know this already. It does not change what i have established, has it? The cortex is part of the brain, it is not part of the eyes or tongue or foot is it? This info is not changing what i am saying, you are only further establishing the fact. The mind is not a physical thing, what we call the mind is a function of cerebral process

True! The mind is abstract. Things that exists only in the mind can't be touched and are abstract like the mind itself.

pressplay411:


OK. An unanswered prayer. A denied miracle.
How did it make you feel?
Would you say your ego was bruised?

it had nothing to do with ego. It was a group prayer so was not about me. I just simply realized we are basing serious issues on a phantom foundation. God does not solve any real life issues.
https://www.nairaland.com/3411190/2-year-old-daughter-got

Read that thread i created some months ago. That is how useless god is

HardMirror:
i know this already. It does not change what i have established, has it? The cortex is part of the brain, it is not part of the eyes or tongue or foot is it? This info is not changing what i am saying, you are only further establishing the fact. The mind is not a physical thing, what we call the mind is a function of cerebral process

science is a continuous and progressive feild. Live the answer to the expatriate, ""the neurologist ""

Anyway you talk as if you are not ready to learn....

vaxx:
what don't you understand ,you once told me you were trained as psychologist , if so you shouldn't be having trouble regarding this concept.

I have been trying to explain the mind concept to the dude from a psychological perspective only for u to come in and call it an ABSTRACT where thoughts are PROCESSED.

How can thought be processes in an abstract place.. I showed u ur error and instead of correcting urself u reply me with the above?

HardMirror:
it had nothing to do with ego. It was a group prayer so was not about me. I just simply realized we are basing serious issues on a phantom foundation. God does not solve any real life issues.
https://www.nairaland.com/3411190/2-year-old-daughter-got

Read that thread i created some months ago. That is how useless god is

The truth is I would like a private chat with you.
Cos while you see how useless god is, all I will see is how faithful and patient God truly is.
He was only trying to teach you faithfulness, humility and stewardship but you weren't patient enough.
You needed more discipleship.

It's never too late for that.
The truth is God never withdraws His gifts once given, He only withdraws His Spirit and Wisdom. Imagine life without those. I was like that not too long ago.

Here's my email pls, we should talk more.
Pressplay411@gmail.com