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Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 6:37pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
Martian:If this above is your rebuttal, your shallowness is beyond redemption! |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 6:40pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
Martian:See you repeatedly propagating your ignorance to the whole world! God is Light=God is made up of Light? I am sure you haven't seen your cyclic error! |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Nobody: 6:44pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
budaatum: In this Kingdom of Heaven, are you going to be a noble or a serf? budaatum: I am not an ordinary Martian. I am what you call angelic. budaatum: That is not a good example. WTF?? Dr. Fauci depends on variables and assumptions while prophecy is from or inspired by "god", no calculations needed. Use better examples and quit your equivocation and lies already. budaatum: I find it remarkably easy to identify equivocating charlatans. That'd be you. budaatum: Yes, you did. But you speak out both sides of your mouth so you're probably confusing yourself. budaatum: Yes, "you guys" because you all take different roads to the same dead end. You fancy yourself "wise and intelligent" but at the end of the day, you're high just like the righteouness89, Dtruthspeaker, openyoureyes, jesusjnr, etc. But you're not like Olaadegbu. That one is a step below an animal. budaatum: Yeah people move seamlessly from speaking figuratively to speaking literally but your arbitrary designation of literal and figurative speech is the problem. 1 Like |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 6:45pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
truespeak:Here is there misrepresented scripture 1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. As far as they are concerned, God is MADE UP of Light. If God himself is Light, how can he be made out of light? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Nobody: 6:47pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
shadeyinka: God is light = god is made up of light. The cyclic error is yours. God is photons = God is light = God is made up of photons. If I'm wrong explain your phrase "God is Light". And please explain if this light is different from colloquial light. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Nobody: 6:49pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
shadeyinka: So light such as sunlight (electromagnetism) or is this light different? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Nobody: 6:52pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
shadeyinka: My shallowness? You said your God requires blood sacrifice and I asked reasonable follow up questions!! Why does your god require bloodshed? What is shallow about that question. My replies to your bible quotes are meant to show you what your bible quotes look like to me. Don't quote nonsense and I won't reply with nonsense. 1 Like |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Nobody: 7:00pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
shadeyinka: God is light. Light is God Sun radiates light Sun is God All praise to Aten shadeyinka: I may be dumb, but I have the same amount of evidence for my Quadrinity as you have for your Trinity. So if my beliefs make me dumb, what does yours make you. shadeyinka: You said "The spirit of argument fall on you" and I replied with "The bimbim of argument fall on you". My response is a mirror of yours! |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by sonmvayina(m): 7:12pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: Does that include what muhamed claimed he revealed to him, or just only what you read in the bible ? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:12pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
Martian:Thanks for not wasting my precious time by admitting your dumbness in believing what you know is untrue! |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by sonmvayina(m): 7:17pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Dtruthspeaker, somebody else has noticed.. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:18pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
sonmvayina: The Test of a Sword is in its Cutting, the Test of a Food is in the Eating, the Test of a Mechanic is in his Repairs, therefore "by their Fruits and Works, ye shall know them"! |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:22pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
sonmvayina: The thing about being Successful is Finding People who will be Truly happy with you. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:23pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
Martian:You wrote gibberish! The consequence (judgment) of sin is death(by execution): sin committed in the physical must be atoned through the physical! The full blood is the required evidence that the death sentence has been passed passed! Without the shedding of Blood, there is no remission (forgiveness) of sin! A sinner shall not go unpunished! |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Nobody: 7:28pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
shadeyinka: It’s just as true as the trinity. I swear to God!!! You’re so easy to antagonize. The other day, I had you arguing against the Force. Now your are up in arms over the Quadrinity. Is it because the Force and the Quadrinity are just as real as your God of light? 1 Like |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by budaatum: 7:37pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
Martian:First, thanks for the compliment, since you describe Paul as "eloquence of a gifted lawyer", which I'm certain you'd agree requires much effort. I agree that "God's are figments of man's imagination", though not necessarily "fear", at least not for everyone, but human understanding, as limited as it is often. If you search through my posts you'd see me call the understanding of some "the crap they create inside of their heads and believe is true", which is the only place that Gods exist. Please allow me: The bible is combination of jewish pseudohistory (as there really is little in it that can accurately be called history as research has shown), legends, and mythology with graeco-roman and Babylonian and Egyptian, and the philosophy of all that surrounded them of which the Bible is syncretised from, and which is what makes it a rather valuable book. Martian:Then forgive me for ascribing knowledge to you that you lack. Perhaps go study some Plato to learn how Paul dumbed down Plato for the masses and you'd see why Jesus is described as a form of Logos. You may also come to understand why it is said "In the beginning was the Logos" which became flesh in Jesus. After all, it would be rather ridiculous, I would think, to claim the Bible is not a book written in words, and both, the Bible and the words in it, do obviously exist. Martian:There is not an ideal form of justice, Martian, or at least humans have not yet found one despite all the assertions of proponents. Justice, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder which is why it varies according to location. An example is homosexuality. Police will arrest you for being gay in Nigeria, but you will be arrested for insulting a gay person in UK, which shows that what is just varies wherever you are. Some things are clearly just or not though. If you shoot me dead without a justifiable reason like self defense, you'd go to jail almost everywhere. That said, just as there is an ideal Fruits of the Spirit, is there also its opposite called the Works of the Flesh as described in [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%205%3A19-21&version=KJV]Galatians 5:19-21[/url] Martian: Perhaps you are right. After all, if I were born in Saudi Arabia I'd likely be able to express myself better in Arabicspeak than my first speak which I use here, but hopefully, the sentiment and reasoning will be the same since I learnt that through much study, which you will find Jesus did too. Martian:I can't say I agree with your assertion above. In UK, for instance, where there happens to be a church in every parish and which is religious though not worn on a sleeve, one would not say there is "the high correlation between religiosity and suffering" that you claim there is. In fact, the opposite would be said and evidence provided for it too. Same goes for America, at least going by the number of people who would gladly jump out of the hell they describe Nigeria as being into the heaven they think America is. Martian:I guess I'm not simple, and in fact, the over a thousand page Bible isn't either or we would not be arguing about its complexity. I never said the "Bible is figurative", Martian. I am rather too careful with my words than to make such an ignorant sweeping statement. There is after all no way to claim "thou shalt not kill" or "thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife and goods", is meant figuratively. Or is it to you? Martian: This does not stop one from reading and learning from it unless your claim is it has to specifically be written to buda for buda to read and learn from it. Do note that Plato was not writing to me in Nigeria and I'd be stupid to use that as my excuse to not read it. Martian:To you it might not, but I feel certain that you are insufficiently arrogant to assume that Martian's understanding must be everyone else's. Besides, the existence of very many people seeing it different would suggest not everyone sees as you do. Or will you claim the fear of going to hell does not make some chose to do good as opposed to doing evil? Martian:I would like to think you'd take our conversation serious or I'd have to wonder why you are wasting your resource of time and intellect on it. Kindly find it in you to forgive me if I have erred in my assumption. How one reads and understands a book would determine if it's true or not, I would think, and is the point of that thread. I for instance, can not accept the understanding of some that the God described in the Garden of Eden was a good God since it seems to be promoting an alimanjeri creating ideology, while most responders, though not said yet, would accuse me of worshipping the serpent. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:37pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
Martian:God is Light simply means: Light is the nature and character of God. In other words: as Light feed the physical universe energy, God feeds all existence with energy! as Light illuminates the physical world, God illuminates all existence! as without Light is darkness, without God will be darkness of existence as Light illuminates the physical world, God is the illumination of existence as without Light life wouldn't exist, without God all kinds of life wouldn't exist GOD is NOT the physical light consisting of electromagnetic energy or photons! |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Nobody: 7:37pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
shadeyinka: I’m just trying to be like you. The consequence (judgment) of sin is death(by execution): sin committed in the physical must be atoned through the physical![/quote] Sin commtted isn’t he physical must be stoned through the physical, so how is hell justified for sins committed in the physical? shadeyinka: You can carry out a death sentence without bloodshed, so why is the bloodshed so important? Why is your God obsessed with punishment anyway? Is there something in blood that arouses your God? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:38pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
Martian:God is Light simply means: Light is the nature and character of God. In other words: as Light feed the physical universe energy, God feeds all existence with energy! as Light illuminates the physical world, God illuminates all existence! as without Light is darkness, without God will be darkness of existence as Light illuminates the physical world, God is the illumination of existence as without Light life wouldn't exist, without God all kinds of life wouldn't exist GOD is NOT the physical light consisting of electromagnetic energy or photons! |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by sonmvayina(m): 7:39pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Wao..we all are going to heaven, So why is there still hell according to you guys ? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:40pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
Martian:Some creation deserves to be rejected as BAD products! Bad products are fit for the refuse dump! |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:41pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Unfit products are fit only for the refuse dump! 1 Like |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by budaatum: 7:52pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
Martian:I am what I am now in my own Kingdom of Heaven. Martian:You are simply showing the limits of your understanding, Martian, and think prophecy must be what Oyhakilome tells you it must be while I am asking you to elevate your mind to see it as what Dr Fauci does rather very effectively. Try harder please. You are capable. Martian:And perhaps I give you far too much credit in your ability to comprehend. Martian:Mind signposting to it please? You do not need to merely assert when you can easily provide evidence, and thankfully, it is written and you can signpost to it so we can easily clear up who is confused and has two sides to their mouth. Martian:I think that with the exception of perhaps Dtruthspeaker all those you mention would gladly and delightfully inform you that in their own opinion buda will burn in the hottest regions of hell while they go to heaven but perhaps you have not be here long enough or just don't have the intellect or ability to tell the difference. Martian:As I said, I have faith in your ability to tell the difference. Just try being responsible for your lack of understanding. Once you assume the error is your's, you'd find the strenght to correct it. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by MuttleyLaff: 8:00pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Martian:Aside the fact that the life of the flesh is in the blood, it is because of the genetic instructions written in blood shadeyinka: sonmvayina: shadeyinka:[img]https://s5/images/ezgif-2-bb81ab7ea10d.gif[/img] I suppose everything Martian's cooks up on his cooker and dishes out, goes to kitchen heaven and nothing whatsoever, at all, ends up in the dustbin/trash can, lmso |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by sonmvayina(m): 8:05pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
shadeyinka: But it says man was created in the image and likeness of God, where did the bad products come from? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by IMAliyu(m): 8:29pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:you don't think that "general intelligent AI" is a potential danger to human existence? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 8:30pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
sonmvayina:God is not a robot, hence he also made man with an ability to choose either to live for His manufacturer or not. Since man wasn't made a robot, he could choose either to live like expected by His manufacturer OR choose to live independently of His manufacturer. Your CHOICE make you either good or bad! |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by MuttleyLaff: 8:35pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
shadeyinka: sonmvayina:"26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it. 27So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them" - Genesis 1:26-27 I like red, as the colour, exudes an air of love, romance, boldness, courage, danger etcetera to me. We, human beings, are physical image representation of different attributes of God. God is incorporeal, but created human beings, to physically project different aspect, different visual imagery and likeness of the Godhead. Image is instant, while likeness is continuum. The latter, is evident in Genesis 1:27, as seen above. Notice that the mention of "likeness" is left unsaid, in Genesis 1:27. Why? Its because its continuum. The failure to comply with an expressed command resulted into bad products. Not acting in accordance to God's wish is where the bad products came from. 1 Like |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by sonmvayina(m): 8:40pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
shadeyinka: So he created us and gave us the ability to make choices, and some people like you have made a choice to believe absurdities like God impregnating the wife of one of his creation to sire a son..what will happen to people like you at the end ? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by DeusXmachina: 9:17pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
shadeyinka: To no. 1 Seemingly yes. There are things called virtual particles in physics. Two opposing pairs, seemingly pop into existence from nowhere and cancel each other out continuously in a vacuum. 2. Really depends on what you define as God, but I'm assuming you're going with the Christian presupposition. My answer don't know, however I hold a more flexible view of "God". "God" could had been the right conditions and rules that gave birth to our universe, which would mean God doesn't really have to be a physical things, but a set of phenomenon, and "God" doesn't need to be a sentient intelligence, but something more akin to cellular automatons. Einstein asked this question of "did God have a say in creating the universe?" For all we know God could just be a set primordial rules that all work independently, like termites that individually are simple, but together can form a large complex structure giving rise to we call the universe, similar to a termite hill/colony formed from the simple actions of all an individual termites combined. The thing that negates inexistence. (Research Cellular Automata for further clarification.) Anyway most of what I have said are nothing but speculation, and without experiments or evidence, will just remain like that, so it should be taken as such. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:44pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
IMAliyu: Is it possible or imaginable that your fork shall attack you? Or is it conceivable that your car shall rape your wife? You have put too much weight to Terminator, Cyborg, Universal Soldier, Robocop and co. It will never ever ever gonna happen. It will always be A Man who is Attacking his fellow man using knives, women and robots. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by IMAliyu(m): 10:16pm On Dec 08, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: I've been following the development and research of Artificial Intelligence, and this thing is as real as real can be and may infact posse a danger. To know just how far things have gotten, you may want to look up GPT-3 a new ai language model. Which can write and respond on a near indistinguishable level to a person. And robotics as well, you can see how far Boston dynamics has gotten. We know people can be malicious and war mongering. All that needs to happen is for someone to bring these technologies together, to say for example create artificial soldiers, weapons. And we will have a cause of people being killed by their own creations. And don't get me started on bioweapons. |
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