9ja_I_hail:

I think there is no need debating and arguing these things, we have a laid down rules guiding us and title holders, the constitution was handed over to Eze for review, the key members of this organization was as well allowed to review the constitution before Eze went ahead to publish it.

My point here is very simple, our Eze need all our support to succeed. Meanwhile Eze/Eze nwanyi knows their responsibilities hence they are part of the body that drafted the Constitution, i pray they abide by it not to work against the constitution they were part of.

Thank you all.

odumchi:

https://www.nairaland.com/download/956708

Malawian: abeg, this your "constitution", who and who prepared it? or are you handing down directives to your subjects? dont mistake the igbos for the other noise making tribe from across the niger. biko.

manny4life:

I'm not accusing you of anything, I was asking a comment based on your observation and reservation.

I don't know of what evidence you speak of, I've seen several threads, at least on the Igbo learning thread of EzePromoe, where Ogugua88 stated where she's from. I'm sure Odumchi have stated where he's from as well. So what evidence do you speak of?

Next, how do you define the term "Igbo"? To you, who's Igbo? Do you define Igbo based on birth location, or ability to speak Igbo language or natively and culturally being a part of it? These two people have stated where they're from, so really, what's the beef?

What I think about your second paragraph is highly irrelevant (no disrespect). I strongly believe that while language is a cultural representation, how you choose to identify yourself is totally different. When I came on NL, I was scared (fear of being mocked) of speaking Igbo, I did not want to say the wrong things, but thanks to lots of people on here who made it a duty to make sure Igbos (native speakers and learners) feel free to interact without fear of reproach, I became comfortable with myself.

That I speak several languages, and choose to speak say French or Swahili, does it make me a native to that place? Therefore, while language is very important to leadership, nonetheless, the language shouldn't be the a deterrent, the important issue is whether those whom we elected are up to and acting up to par according to our "Constitution" (i.e., if we have any). Speaking Igbo language is VERY IMPORTANT for every leader, particularly for communication, but it doesn't mean you can't learn nor adapt to other languages as well. On that note as well, because you can't speak doesn't make you a sellout either, as long as the willingness is there.

Let us kill this issue because it no validity at all. If at all, I was thinking Odumchi will be proactive in certain things (not to call our leader out), but reverse is the case. I barely see him in certain arguments, let alone defending the Igbo truths about certain lies propagated on this forum (opposite of Onlytruth), nevertheless, it's very unfair for me to compare two people particularly at infancy stage. The sooner we can squash the bickering, the better everyone can move forward.

Dede1:


The above redundant crap or skewed analogy is the reason Africans are tagged as people alien to critical thinking. If you attend United Nation’s conference and chose to express yourself in Swahili or French, I guess it is your misguided priority.

However, if you choose to express your in-depth knowledge of French or Swahili in Igbo conference centered on Igbo and Biafra related issues or show slight indifference to the course of Ndigbo in Biafra, your fellow conferees have every pedigree to question your Igbo ancestry. Ndigbo and Biafrans, as a matter of fact, never sat down to plan the manifestation of Biafra. They were pushed into Biafra by the imbecilic dingbats who have gone to every length in attempt to repudiate Ndigbo because of Biafra.

It is foolhardy to attempt to separate Igbo from Biafran issue since Ndigbo, directly or indirectly, led the secession in Biafra.

PointB:

In which way is it actually ridiculous? What exactly is the Eze expected to do, besides commenting (posting)? If and when the Eze decides to work offline, most of the activities will still be limited to 'commenting' or..?

If you can't provide tangible and workable suggestion to this question. I suggest you stop terming other people's comment as 'ridiculous.'. I don't know what problem such comments seek to address.

manny4life:

With the level of hate emanating from this thread and subsequent threads, need I say more that this is a mirror of reality of what's about to happen when Biafra come true. When I see comments like yours, it begs me to ask the question - are we ready for our own nation?

Onlytruth:

Thanks for setting the records straight. Those of us who worked very hard to design this mission must never allow it to be diverted to something else. To build is hard, but to destroy is very easy.
Simples.

advocate666: manny4life please answer me.
How do you know ogugua88 is igbo?

advocate666: manny4life please answer me.
How do you know ogugua88 is igbo?

manny4life:

How do you know I'm Igbo?

How do you know all the tyrants of "whose state is better" are Igbo?

How do you know our last Eze (Onlytruth) is Igbo?

manny4life:

Bros, I know that you're expert at talking, your intelligence and wealth of talking knows no boundaries, hence the reason why I will keep silent to your talk. Any African who likes to be viewed as such, good luck to them... My post was VERY SIMPLE.

Where in my post suggested all these accusations? If you read my post indeed without any bias, my stance was very simple - the fact an Igbo man speak one or more languages shouldn't interfere with his ability to carry out his duties to Igbo people, neither should such actions make him an outcast or a sellout. Where you got all these ideas from, I seriously don't know. How he choose to identify himself outside the general scheme is up to him. When I go to China, is it Chinese or Igbo I'll speak to them? When I go to Germany, is it German or Igbo I'll speak to them? Again, what part of my post suggested this hateful comment?

I clearly stated in my post, when carrying out your duties, communicating in Igbo language is very important, because it's a sign of relevance and authority. Where in my post suggested otherwise? Na wa for you people o, yall know how to twist and turn issues upside down.. I guess those of us who speak Igbo and speak other languages, I guess we're not Igbos.

I also guess those Igbos who speak fluently in Yoruba, Hausa, French, German, etc are not Igbos. When conducting business, an Igbo man speaks Yoruba in Lagos, he's termed a sellout. When translating, an Igbo man communicates with others in Hausa or even Arabic, he's termed terrorist. A Igbo woman speaks Swahili, she's termed (what have you).

With the level of hate emanating from this thread and subsequent threads, need I say more that this is a mirror of reality of what's about to happen when Biafra come true. When I see comments like yours, it begs me to ask the question - are we ready for our own nation? Can't people speak other language without the fear of reproach?

PointB:

In which way is it actually ridiculous? What exactly is the Eze expected to do, besides commenting (posting)? If and when the Eze decides to work offline, most of the activities will still be limited to 'commenting' or..?

If you can't provide tangible and workable suggestion to this question. I suggest you stop terming other people's comment as 'ridiculous.'. I don't know what problem such comments seek to address.

PointB:

If the Eze doesn't comment what else would he be doing? Getting us jobs, wives,husbands, boy/girlfriends, houses, or building roads, schools, hospitals on Nairaland? And how exactly is he even going to do that if he does not starting by visibly commenting?

No one is suggesting a particular leadership style to the new Eze in any case. All previous commentator only ask him of one thing and one thing only - that he shows leadership. I believe also that he has explained his constraints and willingness to lead. I personally don't expect him to lead the line like OnlyTruth did, but he can lead the line like only Odumchi could and achieve similar or better result!


Daalu nne.

advocate666: manny4life please answer me.
How do you know ogugua88 is igbo?

Dede1:


You are the very character that introduced relevant use of French and Swahili in this discussion. I must call your attention to the fact that the subject matter was the issue of Biafra and Ndigbo. Nobody expected the so-call eze Nairaland to always speak Igbo language on this forum. Also I guess in your infinite wisdom, you do not correlate the use of languages other than Igbo with the sense of indifference to the issues surrounding Biafra and Ndigbo.

It makes no difference if one chooses to despise the issue of Biafra and Ndigbo in Igbo, Hausa, Fulfulde, Yoruba or Swahili language. It amounts to silliness for one to remotely think that people give a slight hoot about the language one chooses to express oneself.

When a business is conducted between Japanese and Americans, it is imperative that both parties to understand the languages involved or hire people who speak and understand both languages. If this debate is not turning childish already, one wonders how conduct of commercial business in a certain language amounts to sellout. I should not ordinarily share the same nationality with a person who does naturally understand and speak my native vernacular. Nigeria is a colonial blunder hence the instances of Igbo speaking Yoruba in Lagos in order to conduct local business.

I had rather appreciate the work of a person who encourages the plight of Biafrans and Ndigbo in Yoruba or Hausa language in Nigeria than a moronic dullard who despises the course of Biafrans and Ndigbo in Igbo language.

The language a nincompoop blows does not validate his\her cherished ancestry but the fortitude of the person’s actions toward the course of his\her ancestry.

PointB:

I think same question should be asked of me by the way. So it makes the question very redundant, to put it mildly.

ifyalways: The problem my comment seek to address is you butting into a question i asked Only Truth.
You tried to make a dry sarcastic joke out of my suggestion that the eze can and should besides screaming and fighting here,engage in other meaningful ventures offline aimed at addressing and correcting the ills in our current society especially with the youths.
I demand you read and apply ya advise to your very self before quoting me next time.In other words;stick to your lane.

I repeat,the bolded is ridiculous and lame.
Thank you

ifyalways: The problem my comment seek to address is you butting into a question i asked Only Truth.
You tried to make a dry sarcastic joke out of my suggestion that the eze can and should besides screaming and fighting here,engage in other meaningful ventures offline aimed at addressing and correcting the ills in our current society especially with the youths.
I demand you read and apply ya advise to your very self before quoting me next time.In other words;stick to your lane.

I repeat,the bolded is ridiculous and lame.
Thank you

oily-Yoruba:


You're becoming redundant with this your tirade. The election is over, we have pressing issues to deal with....follow "www.radiobiafralondon.com". Don't be stumbling block, or are a Yoruba/ewusa-Fulani masquerading as an Igbo, by dragging this issue?

manny4life:

Ok brother, YOU WIN!!!

ifyalways: @Ogugua,Lovely.
You have my support or vote.

Eze Promoe: Nice initiative, Ogugua. Number 6 gi di active

advocate666: I think the point of my question about ogugua's igboship is: do we accept as igbo, anybody that call him/herself igbo? If yes, why do we accept ogugua as Igbo but reject Alj Harem when he says he's igbo?

I just want to point out to manny4life that stating that you are igbo is not sufficient. There are other indicators.

@ ogugua88, you may well be igbo but I have yet to see evidence. The only evidence I have seen so far is you saying the international court of justice should ask if we committed treason by wanting to separate from nigeria; you saying that we should emulate boko haram; you saying that igbos are killers and kidnappers; you telling us "odeshi" when we pointed this out.