Kaycee7: Do you read my posts at all? Mary didn't receive the Holy Spirit with the Apostles. They didn't need to pray to Her. She was with them. But I have no doubt, they asked Her to pray for them and She prayed for them. When Peter was imprisoned, She was obviously among those that prayed for his safety.

Who received at the initial outpouring of holy spirit on the
day of Pentecost? There are several schools of thought
regarding this question. While I am not sure what the
Roman Catholic Church teaches about this, the Catholic
pictures that I have seen depicting this event show Mary the
mother of Jesus receiving holy spirit along with the twelve
apostles. Pentecostals for the most part teach that "about an
hundred and twenty" people mentioned in Acts 1: 15 all
received and others teach that at the initial outpouring of
holy spirit only the twelve apostles were present and
received.
Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them,
commanded them that they should not depart from
Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, "which",
saith He, "ye have heard of Me."
After the ascension of Jesus Christ, the apostles returned to
Jerusalem in accordance with his instructions.
Acts 1: 12,13 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the
mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath
day's journey.
And when they were come in, they went up into an upper
room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and
Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew,
James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas
the brother of James.
While their living quarters were in the upper room, the
apostles apparently spent much of their time in the Temple.
Luke 24:52,53 And they worshipped Him, and returned to
Jerusalem with great joy: And were continually in the
temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
Only eleven of the apostles returned to Jerusalem since
Judas, at some unspecified, time previous to this, went out
and killed himself. Once in Jerusalem, the eleven were
continually in the Temple (hieron , the Temple courts). The
Word of God is not more specific about when or how often
they were there. Were the apostles alone in their vigil? Acts
1: 14 makes it quite clear that they were not. "These all
continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with
the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his
brethren" (Acts 1:14).

http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~cmadd01/who_rec.html

heisenberg33:

I really wish i had the kind of enviable patience you and my catholic brothers/sisters in nairaland exude when you try to convince these protestant charlatans. The problem is i have a low threshold for temper when i argue with fools. One thing you should know is that these protestant gas bags are not ready to accept anything from you, no matter how you try to convince them. The charlatan who started this thread only meant it to be for ridicule and not for the purpose of being convinced. They would not honour the mother of God, but you see them honoring their spurious "GENERAL OVER SEERS AND DADDYS".....They quote a bible they have no idea how it was compiled, just like a fool trying to use a proverb....Please my catholic brothers and sisters do not waste your time with these people except you are done with every other useful thing you have to do in a day, and you want to catch some fun.

Kaycee7: Answer my question about the Man-Jesus and God-Jesus theory first before I reply you again.

linearity:

Now you are getting it.....and are asking the right questions...

The Jesus Christ that was in the worm of Mary was not God. He was fully flesh and blood just like myself and yourself. He was sent in that form to experience what we all feels and be in a better position to intercede on our behalf, having experience our infirmities as mere mortals.

The Jesus that walked on the face of the earth was not also God, He was man....the Bible said.."He became flesh and dwell among us...". The Jesus that walked on the face of the earth needed God the father's protection just like everyone of us.

That Jesus felt pain like man, he felt abandoned by God while on the cross ("Lord lord why have thy forsaken me" just like men feel at times in their difficult moments; he had need for clothing, shelter, protection and food just like men, he was tempted just like men, he was flogged and humiliated just like men...He avoided trouble by escaping those who want to stone him to death just like men...So he was fully man just like us.

Yes, he performed miracles...but those miracles do not mean that he was God...because he himself said..whatever I do ye shall do also...and greater miracles than these shall you do, because I go to my father.

Jesus the Man become Jesus the God again when he died on the Cross and rose from the death. The risen Christ is the God that created heaven and Earth, He is the "I am that I am"....He is the Beginning and the End.

Mary is not the Mother of the risen Christ that is God...she is the mother of the Man Christ that feels every infirmities of men like us...she is the Mother of the Christ Man that needs food, shelter, clothing, protection, pains, etc...God does not need food, shelter, clothing, protection or feel pains and James 1:13..says God cannot be tempted by evil.....but Jesus the Man, the Son of Mary was tempted just like any of us.....do you get the drift?

Kaycee7: The Holy Spirit is Mary's spouse. The Holy Spirit is GOD so Mary is GOD'S Wife. GOD THE FATHER Is Mary's Father so Mary is also GOD'S Daughter. GOD THE SON is Mary's Son so Mary is also the Mother of GOD. To understand everything, you'll need to understand the mystery of the Holy Trinity and no man can comprehend that mystery.

cutegoddy: I don't see a need for a topic like this, no one has the right to condemn anyone's religion or belief, its not ur business who any1 worships or pray to. There r so many churches yet we still see how we christians all in d name of religion dupe their fellow brothers. I think what we should be concern about is living an exemplary live for others to see d lite of christ in us,instead of condemning other people's belief.

Mac Oscar: I will simply ask you, why on earth do you even respect, honour and regard your own biological mother? Are we not mandated to honour our father n mother-4th Commandment? Lord Jesus Christ performed his first miracle on earth at the only request of his mother, she knew the powers of her son and Jesus respected his mother and granted her request.

linearity:

[b]I follow your point...it is understandable for the servants to approach Mary and Mary to Jesus because at that time, Jesus have not performed any Miracle...the world had not known he is the Messiah, but Mary knew that there is something different with Jesus and that He might be able to help.

..but if you look at subsequent Jesus' ministry throughout the Bible; there is no mention in any place where people needing help or miracle approached Mary, they went straight to Jesus because they have been introduced to the Jesus, they now know him as the Messiah that was prophesied about.

It is the same thing with John the Baptist; people came to him before Jesus...once he baptist Jesus and it was revealed to him the Jesus was the one...he pointed everyone to Jesus...some of his disciples left him to become Jesus' disciple. He ministry was done, he like Mary faded into the past and just like Mary, he was only mentioned a couple of times later but they never interceded on behalf of anyone...they like us are sinners who needs the grace of God and the sacrifice that Jesus will perform on the cross.[/b]

To refer to Mary as the Mother of God, shows a deep lack of understanding of who Christ was and is...or the concept of trinity.....Jesus Christ was there when God said..."Let US create man in OUR image"...Mary's great great forefathers was not born yet...and to say she somehow become the mother of God is not biblical.

Yes, Mary is the mother of the Man, Jesus Christ...but she is not the Mother of the God, Jesus Christ. God Jesus Christ created the heaven and the earth and everything therein, He was there in the Beginning and He has no beginning and you cannot ascribe His beginning to Mary and if we cannot trace the beginning of the God, Jesus Christ to Mary, then Mary is cannot His Mother....because God does not have a Mother or a Father...Jesus is the 'I AM THAT I AM, the Beginning and the End'..so stop with the nonsense!

ochongonoko:

I hate it when people argue this way, it shows they have nothing but lies are their backup.. Bringing up another topics cos they have no truth to refute the allegations laid against their feet

When did I say reading the bible makes anyone a good christain?. If you can't show me when I said that then kindly stop going off tangent just cos you've been exposed.

So if one shows you what the bible teaches, it's now criticism?.. Meaning all the preachings by christains(the catholics included) are criticisms?.. What a notion!!

You keep baffling with your assertions.. It's mind boggling

nwabuife: How old are you? you ask a question a ten year old child will ask! In ibo language there s notthing like cousin, u refer to ur cousins as''nwanne'' as in brother so d jewish and most languages

nnatom:

my brother stop rantin and go read Gen 3:5 and rev 12 and tell me which woman those book speaks of. And pls take note of rev12:17.

nnatom:

my brother stop rantin and go read Gen 3:5 and rev 12 and tell me which woman those book speaks of. And pls take note of rev12:17.

linearity:

You have defended this doctrine, the way we were taught to defend it. I grew up in a catholic home, was a serious catholic, mass-server, even attempted seminary school...then became charismatic and left the church eventually.

Yes, there are some Catholic prayers that are plead for Mary to intercede, the purpose of which I do not know, when the Lord have clearly said...come on to me all ye that are labored and are heavy burden, I will give you rest; also he said, he was sent to the sinners and even said, 'do not prevent these little ones from coming to me...."...also.."Whoever call upon me...I will answer him"...."I am at the door knocking, whoever open the door, I will enter..."

It not very clear why you will need a go-between the sinner and Christ, I thought that was why Christ came in the first place, to break the barriers and remove the need for a go-between that prevents us from going directly to God?

[b]Secondly, there are lots of Catholic prayers that are prayed to Mary directly. These are not interceptions through her to Jesus like the ones I mentioned in the above paragraph and you know these prayers.

Also, “I will put enmities between thee (Satan) and the Woman, between thy seed and her seed, and she shall crush thy head.”...That was a reference to the Church....note where it stated and "...she shall crush they head"...Jesus..fulfilled that when he said you are Peter (Rock) and upon this Rock I will build my Church and the gate of hell shall not prevailed against it. The seed of the Church are Christians...you might say..but that verse used the word 'seed' in singular verse and it might not be referring to Christians...Then I ask you...what is the 'seed' of Satan that God was referring to in singular there? Your answer might be the demons, fallen angles, etc....there you go with the plural! God was essentially say...Satan, there shall be an enmity between thy seed, the demon and woman (Church)'s seed the christian.[/b]

Further, Jesus have also used the word 'woman' to refer to other ladies in the Bible...a case that come to mind is that lady accursed of adultery...Jesus turn to her and said..."Woman, where are thy accusers". Going by your analysis, this woman must be some queen to be honored because Jesus addressed her as a 'woman'

Just like there was need during the wedding and Mary approached Jesus for help and Jesus interceded...the Bible is littered with other cases, where there were needs and someone approached Jesus to interceded..eg Mary & Martha approach Jesus to intercede in the death of their brother Lazarus, the centurion approached Jesus to intercede on behalf of one of his sick servants, etc...

Again, there were many people by Jesus' side when He passed on the Cross, it was not only his mother. I do not see why a special privilege should be bequeathed to his mother for that act and the others that were there with him to the end wouldn't benefit from that privilege.

Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the light; whoever cometh to the father through me shall have everlasting life.

Finally, didn't the Bible said in the last day, "those who have died in Christ shall rise first and go and meet the Lord in the air".....Those who died is Christ and who will rise to meet the Lord includes Mary, she will be rewarded for her faithfulness along with many other Christians, she is not somewhere interceding on behalf whoever called on her name.

ochongonoko:

Why this same ol' line.. Jesus in not more than one time, stated explicitly that he's the ONLY WAY. He knew a day will come when people will be deceived. He never said come through mary or pray through the dead. He even told us never to carve any image(anything at all) and honour or worship it.

What I don't get is why people chose to disobey jesus and yet claim to follow his steps. I can't seem to wrap my head around it

As the part I quoted, someone already explained it, enjoy!!...

naijadeyhia: '

SEE WHY I SAY YOU NEED TO FIRST GET THE HOLY SPIRIT BEFORE YOU STUDY THE WORD OF GOD? YOUR CONFUSION IS TAKING THE LITERAL WORD "WOMAN" THERE. THE WOMAN REFERRED TO IN REVELATIONS 12 REPRESENTS ISRAEL AND NOT MARY. ISRAEL GODS CHOSEN BRIDE AND HER OFFSPRING WHO IS CHRIST THE MESSIAH, (Rev 12:5; Isaiah 7:14; 9:6; 66:7.8; Micah 5:2; Romans. 9:4,5)

The woman is not the church neither is it Mary, since the church or Mary did not bring forth Christ, But rather He brought forth the church and created Mary.

The sun reflects redeemed Israel's unique glory, brilliance and dignity because of her exulted status and shows her as God's chosen nation.

The moon under her feet alludes to God's promise of dominion, and the crown of twelve stars pictures royalty and relates to the 12 tribes of Israel. Go to Genesis 37 verses 9 - 11 and read about the dream Joseph had about the sun, moon and 11 stars which were bowing down to Joseph. (who was the 12th)

ochongonoko: I'm done on this topic.. him that has ear, let him hear..

Lemme watch from the sidelines and pray people get their eyes opened to the truth about God and his ways

naijadeyhia:

Nobody is condemning anybody. What we are doing is reproofing, correcting and instructing unto righteousness according to 2nd Timothy 3:16. If you do not clearly find something in the scriptures and you see it being practiced in your local church will you not question it or will you just go with the flow?

naijadeyhia:

I pray the light of the truth shines on him as well in Jesus name!

honeric01:
Hope u can comprehend?

naijadeyhia:


The remarkable thing, however, about Peter’s alleged bishopric in Rome, is that the New Testament has not one word to say about it. The word Rome occurs only nine times in the Bible, and never is Peter mentioned in connection with it. There is no allusion to Rome in either of his epistles. Paul’s journey to that city is recorded in great detail (Acts 27 and 28). There is in fact no New Testament evidence, nor any historical proof of any kind, that Peter ever was in Rome. All rests on legend. The first twelve chapters of the book of Acts tell of Peter’s ministry and travels in Palestine and Syria. Surely if he had gone to the capital of the empire, that would have been mentioned. We may well ask, if Peter was superior to Paul, why does he receive so little attention after Paul comes on the scene?

naijadeyhia: [b]Let us consider just for a moment this matter of papal lineage. Did you know that, after the papacy was introduced, there was a period of seventy years in which there was no pope at all? Did you know that for another period of fifty years there were two lines of popes? And did you know that at one time there were three popes? They were Benedict XIII, Gregory XII, the French pope, and John XXIII, the Italian pope. Where does all this leave papal lineage and infallibility?

The Pope: Ruler Of The World

When the pope is declared to be the pope, on his head is placed a three-tiered tiara, or triple crown, which means, according to Romanism, that he is the father of kings and princes, ruler of the world and vicar of Jesus Christ. The Prompta Bibliotheca, an official Roman Catholic almanac published by the press of Propaganda Fide in Rome, in its article under the heading of "Papa" states: "The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but, as it were, God, and the Vicar of Christ. The Pope is of such lofty dignity that, properly speak-ing, he has not been established in any rank of dignity, but rather has been placed upon the very summit of all ranks of dignities. He is likewise the Divine Monarch and Supreme Emperor, the King of Kings. The Pope is of so great authority that he can modify, explain or interpret even divine law." Pope Gregory said, "The Pope is the representative of God on earth; he should then govern the world. To him alone pertain infallibility and universality; all men are submitted to his laws, and he can only be judged by God; he ought to wear imperial ornaments; people and kings should kiss his feet; Christians are irrevocably submitted to his orders; they should murder their princes, fathers and children, if he command it; no council can be declared universal without the orders of the Pope; no book can be received as canonical without his authority; finally, no good or evil exists but in what he has condemned or approved." Now, my friends, I ask: "Is there, or has there ever been, in all professed Christendom, a parallel to the foregoing in arrogancy and presumption?"[/b]

ochongonoko:

Why this same ol' line.. Jesus in not more than one time, stated explicitly that he's the ONLY WAY. He knew a day will come when people will be deceived. He never said come through mary or pray through the dead. He even told us never to carve any image(anything at all) and honour or worship it.

What I don't get is why people chose to disobey jesus and yet claim to follow his steps. I can't seem to wrap my head around it

As the part I quoted, someone already explained it, enjoy!!...

bukatyne:

If the Pope calls himself the ruler of the world, then there is serious problem because that is the title/position of satan

[/quote]The remarkable thing, however, about Peter’s alleged bishopric in Rome, is that the New Testament has not one word to say about it. The word Rome occurs only nine times in the Bible, and never is Peter mentioned in connection with it. There is no allusion to Rome in either of his epistles. Paul’s journey to that city is recorded in great detail (Acts 27 and 28). There is in fact no New Testament evidence, nor any historical proof of any kind, that Peter ever was in Rome. All rests on legend. The first twelve chapters of the book of Acts tell of Peter’s ministry and travels in Palestine and Syria. Surely if he had gone to the capital of the empire, that would have been mentioned. We may well ask, if Peter was superior to Paul, why does he receive so little attention after Paul comes on the scene? [quote]

ktjohnpaul:

Honour is too small for God, so Catholics WORSHIP him!

Psalms 8:1 O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! You have set your glory above the heavens.

bukatyne:

You mean Mary is the mother of Jesus while God is the father of Jesus?

Mary and God on the same pedestal?

ochongonoko:

Why this same ol' line.. Jesus in not more than one time, stated explicitly that he's the ONLY WAY. He knew a day will come when people will be deceived. He never said come through mary or pray through the dead. He even told us never to carve any image(anything at all) and honour or worship it.

What I don't get is why people chose to disobey jesus and yet claim to follow his steps. I can't seem to wrap my head around it

As the part I quoted, someone already explained it, enjoy!!...

nnatom:

sorry to say this,u sound like an illitrate.my advice to every one is dis,dont judge so dat u wont be judged.all of u are here opening ur wild mouth argueing on what u dnt knw.but my quection to u all is which of u keep d commandment of GOD.u all should go seek for forgiveness for GOD has HIS own yardstick for pass judgement to us all.for dis is nt what we shld be doing when d time is already near.thank u all

bukatyne:

You mean Mary is the mother of Jesus while God is the father of Jesus?

Mary and God on the same pedestal?

italo:



It is the Bible that calls Mary the mother of Jesus and God his Father.

You obviously dont believe the Bible.

italo:

Yes.

italo:

So Jesus is not Christ?

italo:

A mother in heaven is a heavenly mother, not so?