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Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by christemmbassey(m): 2:30pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Bidam: You didn't i really wanna learn but instead you started your interrogationswas the interogations about how u spent last month's TITHE? Bidam tell me d truth, d whole truth, will u follow the mosaic laws today if ur church declear 'NO MORE TITHE? |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 2:31pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
JesusisLord85: Have they not heard it is written brother A new priesthood comes with new ordinances But a true priesthood will never and I repeat never do away with any ordinance They are all good for reproof and instructions in rightousness. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Tgirl4real(f): 2:33pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
MostHigh: The Holy Scriptures is sufficient. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 2:33pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
debosky: Christopagans are gentiles Simply put. And the judgement of acts 15 should answer your question, it is self explanatory |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Tgirl4real(f): 2:34pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
MostHigh: You are right here...good for our example. but we are not to be confined to it. The laws has been written in our heart, so we need no man to teach us. Live to please God daily and you will fulfill all the demands of the law. BTW, I hope u know I am a woman. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 2:35pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Tgirl4real: So now you fall back to the "holy scripture" After taking the holy scripture apart You can be exactly as your master is but not greater |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Goshen360(m): 2:38pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Bidam: Oh! i thought you will say they were not borrowed from the Old,but shdemidemi doesn't agree with this view.So i am confused as to what you guys agree upon right now. And the word you use which is binding,do you see any Christian wearing tzibits and the letters written and placed on their necks as of old? Truth is you guys are yet to refute my statements that the Mosaic Law in its moral aspects has lost none of its commanding authority. You trying hard to change the table as usual. The op says "must Christians obey the law of Moses"? He never single out the ten commandments because the 10 are part of the whole given to Moses. Now, would you teach Christians to follow ALL 613 laws given to Moses? |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 2:40pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Tgirl4real: Wrong context wrong intepretation I know we all agree that the Law is written in the masters heart as well;. But in order for him to inspire and teach he had to verbally quote from the torah word for word. Deutronomy from all indication was his focal point AND HE QOUTED FROM IT MORE THAN ANY OTHER BOOK IN THE TORAH (the word DEUTRONOMY means a reminder of the LAW) My question to you O wise one How do you intend to teach your own children the same truths? You can be exactly as your masteris but not greater, never greater |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 2:45pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Goshen360: false teachers abound Did you not read the beginning of the post The final judgement regarding the gentile of which you have professed to be one several a time was They should not eat blood or thigs strangled sounds like leviticus to me. The are so many other verses in the bible that reveal the place of the LAW in the future kingdom. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Tgirl4real(f): 2:46pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
MostHigh: Sir, Jesus lived under the law and to be termed upright in his time, you have to follow the law. I am under grace. I have received the gift of salvation freely. It is not by my works, it's simply God's grace. There are enough epistles in t he bible to teach my kids from. The old testament is also there for their knowledge and example. I will never place my child under the law that even the people of old could not fulfill. 1 Like |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 2:49pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Tgirl4real: The bolded really cracked me up So to be termed upright in this time what is one expected to do? So how come the future priesthood AS WE SEE in the bible is observing torah LAW THE OP revealed to you where paul is identifying completely with the law, hope that did not go over your head as well? |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Nobody: 2:52pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Goshen360:I am not changing anything bro..My argument with shdemidemi on this thread is that he believes some of the Law of Moses is not restated in the New Testament.And i categorically told him without mincing words that the Mosaic Law still constitutes a revelation of the righteousness of God and remains as a part of Scripture which “is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work (2 Tim. 3:16-17 nkjv). |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 2:53pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
shdemidemi: God never changes... Has Gods programm been the same.... This your way of reasoning is quite dangerouse o. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Goshen360(m): 2:57pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
MostHigh: I asked a question: according to Galatians 3:24-25, until when is the law supposed to serve as a guide and after the promised had come, do we still need the law as a guide? |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by shdemidemi(m): 3:00pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Bidam: I am not changing anything bro..My argument with shdemidemi on this thread is that he believes some of the Law of Moses is not restated in the New Testament.And i categorically told him without mincing words that the Mosaic Law still constitutes a revelation of the righteousness of God and remains as a part of Scripture which “is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work (2 Tim. 3:16-17 nkjv). Romans 15 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Nobody: 3:05pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
shdemidemi:Differentiate learning and doctrine. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 3:08pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Goshen360: Oh Goshen! Hope you are not going to scoff as usual Ezekiel 44 gives quite a detailed description of the future levitical priesthood in the kingdom age. I say levitical only to diffrentiate between the ORDER OF ARON and the ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK Yashua is of the order of melchizedek as am I and all the apostles combined. You Remember I have been asking you for the ordinances of your priesthood? Unless of course you say your priesthood has no ordinances. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Goshen360(m): 3:09pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Bidam: I am not changing anything bro..My argument with shdemidemi on this thread is that he believes some of the Law of Moses is not restated in the New Testament.And i categorically told him without mincing words that the Mosaic Law still constitutes a revelation of the righteousness of God and remains as a part of Scripture which “is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work (2 Tim. 3:16-17 nkjv). Okay, I get what you saying and I agree the 10 commandments were copied or imported into the NT from the OT. Now, do you still see the "thou shall not kill" of the OT as the same as "thou shall not kill" of the NT? ETC. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 3:11pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Goshen360: The Only difference is the execution of free will. The former was done by force. But that in no way negates the Law itself |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Tgirl4real(f): 3:21pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
MostHigh: OP needs to get his theology right, he based his teaching on Acts 15; Acts 15 (New International Version) The Council at Jerusalem 15 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. Paul did not agree to circumcising the Gentiles. 5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.” The people that are even pushing for the Gentiles to be placed under the law were not even believers. 6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.” Putting yourself under the law is putting yourself under bondage. 12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me... 19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.” The Letter Greetings. They are telling them to discontinue their pagan worship and lifestyle. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Goshen360(m): 3:24pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
MostHigh: I asked a question based on your statement that the law is\was a guide and gave you a scripture that it was to be a guide for a specific period. If you can't answer the question based on that, then I stop going in circle with you. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Tgirl4real(f): 3:25pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
MostHigh: Which future priesthood sir? |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by shdemidemi(m): 3:26pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Bidam: Differentiate learning and doctrine. As used in the two verses- Doctrine remains the distinguished teachings of the gospel of Christ. Learning are also teachings and allusion to the Jewish Scriptures. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Goshen360(m): 3:27pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
MostHigh: Cool down, we take it one after the other. What you call force was still broken by the Jews. They had the free will too. Let bidam answer me and we go step by step. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 3:27pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Goshen360: Have you read ezk 44 The event described here is prophetic and it happens way in the future of Isreal It is discussing ordinances and thier application and efficacy. And it should answer your question conclusivly. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 3:31pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Tgirl4real: Read Ezekiel chapter 44 It speaks of the future levitical priesthood and thier ordinances I love that word ORDINANCES 1 Like |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 4:19pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Tgirl4real: Why did you leave out... There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. The bolded is what I need you to really meditate on, seeing you left it out of your response I will assume you missed it before |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by JesusisLord85: 4:45pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
MostHigh: Ah the council in Jerusalem, ever so misunderstood by the lawless. Funny how James tells them to immediately obey 3 things. Where did he get them from? The Torah of course. He is basically saying, obey these 3 immediately, and you will learn the rest, because Moses is taught every sabbath in the Synagogue. But they should know this, as Acts 13 gives it away for free (yes, free knowledge). It used to take over a year to be converted to the religion, the pharisees did not make it easy. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by JesusisLord85: 4:54pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Tgirl4real: John 8:39-41 |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Nobody: 4:54pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Goshen360:I think my work is done here.The chief apostolic rabbi of nairaland has finally agreed. No further comments.Thanks. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by JesusisLord85: 4:55pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Bidam: Goshen360: lol. I am itching to see where this line of questioning is going....nowhere perhaps 1 Like |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Nobody: 4:58pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
shdemidemi:Why are you separating the teachings to TWO audiences? Didn't you hear Tgirl quote a scripture that there is neither Jews nor gentiles in Christ? |
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