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Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by shdemidemi(m): 1:03pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
JesusisLord85: I this present dispensation of the gospel of Christ, what do we have 1 Timothy 4 King James Version (KJV) 4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by JesusisLord85: 1:07pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
shdemidemi: The key is in preceding verses. "Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." Does that sound like the religion of the Jews? lol. You do err. So one day God called it abomination, and not you reckon he did a complete U-turn. If that is the God you think you serve, you ought to question whether he is the true God. My God, Yahweh, never changes. Yours seems to have gone from one pole to the opposite. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Nobody: 1:07pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
shdemidemi:The question is irrelevant to the discussion,just like your salvation doesn't add anything to my account except of cos to Jesus and the angels.But it is a fact that millions of Christians do tithe,does that remove their Christianity from them? |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by debosky(m): 1:09pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
JesusisLord85: How can you obey what you don't know? You're just discovering in 2013 that pig meat was prohibited in the OT - have you not been breaking God's commandments then? I hope you've repented of all that bacon you've been eating. Are all the 600 laws applicable to Christians? If not, which ones are, and which ones aren't? |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by JesusisLord85: 1:11pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Bidam: The question is irrelevant to the discussion,just like your salvation doesn't add anything to my account except of cos to Jesus and the angels.But it is a fact that millions of Christians do tithe,does that remove their Christianity from them? Of course it doesnt. According to him, if you believe in the concept of God, you are eternally saved. My oh my, that would make the narrow road, suddenly, very wide. Luke 13 "Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. Matthew 7: "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." But they sound like they believed shdemidemi? Your theology will lead many to hell. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by shdemidemi(m): 1:15pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
JesusisLord85: Am I talking about religion of the Jews here? The bible says everything is good now, you are talking about Jewish culture. I never said God changes. My question to you- from Adam until date, has God's programme been the same? |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by JesusisLord85: 1:17pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
shdemidemi: Yes, he knows the end from the very beginning. Or you think he makes it up as he goes along, like you do. One day, im saved foreer, next day I'm not. Then you say Jews must still keep the law, while the gentile converts did not have to. And yet they were guilty of being "Judaizers", and yet Paul walked hand in hand with Peter and the others. My oh my, the journey with you is tiresome. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by shdemidemi(m): 1:19pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
JesusisLord85: Most of your quotes come from pre-ascension of Christ. The bible says the Just(righteous) shall live (eternally, would not die) by faith. Is that statement true? Or shall the righteous live by Torah or by the law? By Torah or by faith? |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by shdemidemi(m): 1:22pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
JesusisLord85: What am I trying to say! Was it not the same God who accepted animal sacrifice that ended the use of animals as sacrifice? Did He have to change to do that? |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by JesusisLord85: 1:24pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
shdemidemi: What is your definition of faith? Because the almighty told John (Revelation) that those who keep the commandments will enter the kingdom. And we know what righteousness is: 1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. I believe that is post-ascension. So now you think everything pre-ascension is not useful, except "for your learning" as you say. Not even sure you know what "learning" means. haha Anyway, I pray you find truth, without contradiction. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by shdemidemi(m): 1:42pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
JesusisLord85: I have noticed you refuse to answer questions as well. My definition of faith is trust God through Christ. When you hear God's commandment, it does not necessarily mean mosaic laws you know! The bible said the law of Moses was weak, we have a new law different from the law of Moses. It is the law of the Spirit of life, liberty in Christ Jesus. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Nobody: 1:46pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
JesusisLord85:Very strange that shdemidemi is finding it very difficult to accept this new testament scripture.Keep my commandments. Goshen and the others couldn't even answer my questions on this. It was only Enigma that made a case on the need to balance scriptures. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by shdemidemi(m): 1:48pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Bidam: Very strange that shdemidemi is finding it very difficult to accept this new testament scripture.Keep my commandments. Goshen and the others couldn't even answer my questions on this. It was only Enigma that made a case on the need to balance scriptures. I believe I have answered that, try something else to back the mosaic law. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Nobody: 1:49pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
shdemidemi:James and John said commandments Apostle Paul says command who are we to choose now |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by JesusisLord85: 1:50pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
shdemidemi: I stopped pandering to your interogations long ago. You hate the fact I don't allow you to bully me into your false line of thinking, as others have. Again, Moses did not create the law, God said "say to my people...". What do you not understand there. So in Acts 13 when the gentiles were attending synagogue with the Jews, were there like two halls? One where they taught Paul's stuff, and one where they taught God's stuff? Because I understand thet what they were taught in that chapter, was none other than the Mosaic Laws. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Goshen360(m): 1:50pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Why do Christians bother so much about the laws of Moses that wasn't written to them in the first place? |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Nobody: 1:51pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
shdemidemi:You didn't i really wanna learn but instead you started your interrogations |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by JesusisLord85: 1:53pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Bidam: Very strange that shdemidemi is finding it very difficult to accept this new testament scripture.Keep my commandments. Goshen and the others couldn't even answer my questions on this. It was only Enigma that made a case on the need to balance scriptures. He is basically saying the bible is the books of Paul, every other thing is story book. It is evident Paul kept commandments, and the gentiles went to synagogue to hear the law. To shdemidemi, this must be very confusing. It was for me too when I was under the bondage of a 'wide is the gate' church. Why was it bondage? I was never really able to break free from persistent sin. Though they did tell me that it is ok, I would make heaven anyway, as shdemidemi teaches. Not anymore. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Nobody: 1:53pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Goshen360: Why do Christians bother so much about the laws of Moses that wasn't written to them in the first place?we are talking about the 10 commandments. Are they in the New testaments or not |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by JesusisLord85: 1:55pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Goshen360: Why do Christians bother so much about the laws of Moses that wasn't written to them in the first place? Was there not one law for the children of Israel AND those who lived among them? Are you not adopted as Abraham's seed? Should you not therefore do as he did? "They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of your father." |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Goshen360(m): 2:01pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Bidam: we are talking about the 10 commandments. Are they in the New testaments or not Oga, the 10 commandments imported into the NT is of the Spirit of life, not as of the letters and ministry of condemnation. I thought you already know these things bro. The same 10 commandment was tagged ministry of death and condemnation. So what is it to us under the NT? If you must bind the 10 according to the mosaic, then you must bind all other laws also. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Goshen360(m): 2:06pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
JesusisLord85: You reading the letters, try read the Spirit. The Israel God dealt with in the OT is physical and geographical. The Israel God is dealing with now is the spiritual and non geographically national Israel. The verses you quote deals with geographical location. In Christ, no Jews nor gentiles, it's one spiritual man. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Tgirl4real(f): 2:09pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
JesusisLord85: Which scripture is this sir? |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 2:12pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
shdemidemi: False teacher as always. Regarding the bolded in your response. The law was not institutEd for condemnation but TO SERVE AS A GUIDE FOR REPROOF AND INSTRUCTIONS IN RIGHTOUSNESS. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 2:14pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
shdemidemi: Answer us conclusively. Why did all the apostles and yashua himself "mix it" as you put it Why do you chose to be different from them all? What makes you special? |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 2:20pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Tgirl4real: Your quite right brother nature abhores a vacume This love they speak of has to be properly defined most especially for the upcoming youths And after this definition it must be written down just like the torah for posterity sake So my question is who is going to rewrite the good book and come up with the NEW version I am certain that Even the proponents of this new GOd/Law theory cannot fulfill this task they have taken upon themselves |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Nobody: 2:20pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Goshen360:Oh! i thought you will say they were not borrowed from the Old,but shdemidemi doesn't agree with this view.So i am confused as to what you guys agree upon right now. And the word you use which is binding,do you see any Christian wearing tzibits and the letters written and placed on their necks as of old? Truth is you guys are yet to refute my statements that the Mosaic Law in its moral aspects has lost none of its commanding authority. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 2:23pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
debosky: Go check out the laws your professed master and all the apostles with him obeyed therin lies the answer to your question. You can be exactly as the master is BUT NOT GREATER Never Greater. 1 Like |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by Goshen360(m): 2:23pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
MostHigh: And please when is or how long is the law supposed to serve as guide? Galatians 3:24-25 |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 2:25pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
christemmbassey: @ OP, thats another way of asking, should christians practice JUDAISM? A very big NO! Here is me asking myself did yashua and the apostles live the way of the JEW? The answer A VERY BIG YES |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 2:26pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
Dzany: christians are Christ followers, not Moses followers................. Christ and all his apostles follow the teaching of moses to the end All of scripture testifies to this. |
Re: Must Christians Observe The Law Of Moses? by MostHigh: 2:28pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
JesusisLord85: Very pertinent qweshun Sire |
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