davidylan:

Huxley, i can find Jeremiah 4 myself . . . i said clearly - READ IT then come back with YOUR OPINION. I wont spoonfeed adults.
Only then will i carefully explain those verses to you, don't be intellectually lazy . . .

davidylan:

don't ask me anything . . . when i ask my own questions you pretend not to see it and then rush back with more "questions".

I asked you earlier . . . forget the bible, assume it is false . . . now please EXPLAIN TO ME IN LUCID DETAIL how did we evolve to different races knowing full well that science proves that man must have evolved from Africa?

How did the Asians get their strikingly different features?

Answer me first!

Le Moor:

Davidlylan,

Evolution
Most people refusal to believe in the concept of evolution comes from a subconcious presumption that humans are perfect, and that evolution ha sstopped. What if we havent stopped evolving? we are definitely getting smarter,

Le Moor:

What seperates most hear from religios folks is, the acceptance that we don't know a lot of things and are willing to question them, as opposed to you who believe you have all the answers from a book that has a lot of holes.

Le Moor:

What is in genesis 1 and 2, spill it out and stop telling people to go read some verse. We all know anyone can manufacture anything from ambiguity

Le Moor:

But ofcourse, I earlier called you dishonest, because, all through this discourse, I have not mentioned once what I believed, all I did mention was what I didnt believe and know not to be true

Le Moor:

Davidlylan,

Evolution
Most people refusal to believe in the concept of evolution comes from a subconcious presumption that humans are perfect, and that evolution ha sstopped. What if we havent stopped evolving? we are definitely getting smarter,

What seperates most hear from religios folks is, the acceptance that we don't know a lot of things and are willing to question them, as opposed to you who believe you have all the answers from a book that has a lot of holes. What is in genesis 1 and 2, spill it out and stop telling people to go read some verse. [b]We all know anyone can manufacture anything from ambiguity[/b]But ofcourse, I earlier called you dishonest, because, all through this discourse, I have not mentioned once what I believed, all I did mention was what I didnt believe and know not to be true

huxley:

Well, this is ad-hoc picking & choosing and massaging text out of context to fit a certain agenda. If you had answered me, that would have been a BIG surprise.

mazaje:

That is what the bible is all about thats why we have over 30,000 sects of christainity each knocking heads and most cliaming they have the answers to the ultimate truth all the others are wrong.(i wonder which truth they are all cliaming to posses). my former pastor once said that catholics, and all white garment wearing chrisatains will all rot in hell . imagine

davidylan:

This one is the worst . . . just piggy backing on the deluded opinions of the other clowns.

davidylan:

Do i take it you are incapable of reading simple english and giving your honest opinion? This is the reason most of this debates are fruitless, too many airheads crying about why religion is false . . . put them to the simple test of proving the basis of their opinions and they start hedging.

READ THOSE PASSAGES first . . . then lets have an honest debate . . . i will be here all night waiting for you.

mazaje:

how is it the worst? are there no over 30,000 sects(religions) in christainity. are catholics , jehova witness, mormons etc going to heaven according to the version of christianity you believe in? answer it and stop beating around the bush.

huxley:


Did I say I had not read it. I read it but did not see how it relates to a pre-Adamite world. The cited passages appear to be a prophecy of impending disaster rather than an explanation of the origin.

davidylan:

Everyone can make claims . . . the bible remains the yardstick . . . the bible talks of Christ preparing for Himself a body . . . without spot or wrinkle . . . nothing about sects.

John 3:16 says . . . "WHOSOEVER believeth" . . . nothing about sects.

In the early days there was nothing like St. Paul's Redeemers church of Antioch or James's Cathedral . . . infact when the early brethren began bickering among themselves who was the follower of whom, brother Paul sharply rebuked them saying . . . 1 corinthians 3: 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

Chikena!

NB: to the hypocrites who like to yell "answer me answer me" . . . i can only hope for a day we shall recieve answers from you too . . . not anytime soon at this rate.

davidylan:

That is simply because you have made up your mind it says nothing about a pre-adamite origin . . . now read Gen 1:2 VERY CAREFULLY again and relate to us what you see there in careful detail. I see i shall have to spoon feed you people like little children.

huxley:

Ok, I have no problem being spoonfed as long as we get to the facts. I am after facts no status and ego. Can you draw the two threads together? I cannot see how these relate to a pre-Adamite world.

mazaje:

what has this got to do with the fact that there are over 30,000 sects(religions) in christianity? i repeat does the faith which you hold see catholics, jehova witness, mormoms, seven day adventist etc going to heaven? i have seen you argue night and day with the catholics, and prosperity gospel christains here on nairaland. at the same time denoucing and ridiculing their beliefs. why are you then trying to correct them and show them the way/truth if you all believe in the same thing? or do you mean they havent read the passage you copy and pasted?

huxley:

Ok, I have no problem being spoonfed as long as we get to the facts. I am after facts no status and ego. Can you draw the two threads together? I cannot see how these relate to a pre-Adamite world.

mazaje:

he is going to draw from the vagueness of the passage, states his own understanding and interpretation and tell you that , that was what god meant to say in the passage.

davidylan:

It has EVERYTHING to do with the issue you raised about sects but like i always like to buttress, your blind areligious dogma prevents you from seeing it.

Let me break it down since i now realise i am speaking to people who are slow to understand . . . no where in the bible do we see Christ or His disciples or any of their converts talking about sects. This is the way the early apostles saw themselves . . . Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

Romans 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

the emphasis all throughout the early christian church was "many members YET one body in Christ Jesus".

I quoted the rebuke of Paul to the brethren who tried to claim followership of one apostle or the other (the bane of our "sects" today) . . . here is what he told them in plain language again - 1 Corinthians 3: 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

Again i remember telling you in the last post . . . John 3:16 said nothing about which sects would go to heaven, rather it made it plain that salvation was no longer a corporate blessing but an INDIVIDUAL CHOICE regardless of which "sect" you claim to belong . . .

it says in plain language again - "whosoever believeth . . .".

Now that aside . . . what is the criteria for determining who (regardless of sect) will make heaven or not? the bible again is clear as day - Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Note that it doesnt say by their church or by their pastor . . .

What are those fruits? Look into your bible . . . that'w why we argue night and day . . . enough with judging ourselves by the doctrines of man . . . rather we shld do as the apostles said - Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

simple . . . if you still don't understand . . . too bad.

mazaje:

All you did here is just copy and paste passages from a book full of vagueness which i do not believe in to try to prove a point to me. any body can do what you have done here. muslims too can draw up as many verses from the quran too to buttress their postulations, that does'nt make it right to me. religious arguments are like two people talking to each other in two different languages. trying to make you see things my way is something i know i can never do so why am i trying anyway . I must admit that some of your answers are reasonable and coherent enough, you have made me understand where you are coming, its mostly about faith. but i am yet to be swayed and convinced to reason and see things the same way as you. sai anjuma.

huxley:


Genesis 1:
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Genesis 1: 1-4 is quite clear. God created the heaven and the earth in the beginning. And the earth was without form . . . . . .

Jeremiah 4
19[b]My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.[/b]
20Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.
21How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
22For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
23I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
27For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
29The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.



Now let us try and put Jeremiah 4 into context, starting from verse 19 which says;
My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.

This seems to be to be a prophecy of war which carries on to the verses you cited 23-27. How does this relate to Genesis? I just cannot see it.

davidylan:

Can this man read at all? I asked him to read Gen 1:2 and give us his opinion he's busy reading Jer 4:19 . . . verse 19 does not carry to verses 23-27 thou hypocrite . . . that they happen to appear in the same chapter nothwithstanding.

I thought you were a bit smarter than the rest, ordinary english comprehension shld tell you Gen 1:2 and Jer 4: 23 ARE ALMOST THE SAME WORD FOR WORD!

You can't see a relation because YOU SIR ARE FIERCELY DETERMINED NOT TO. Carry on with your delusions.

davidylan:

Can this man read at all? I asked him to read Gen 1:2 and give us his opinion he's busy reading Jer 4:19 . . . verse 19 does not carry to verses 23-27 thou hypocrite . . . that they happen to appear in the same chapter nothwithstanding.

I thought you were a bit smarter than the rest, ordinary english comprehension shld tell you Gen 1:2 and Jer 4: 23 ARE ALMOST THE SAME WORD FOR WORD!

You can't see a relation because YOU SIR ARE FIERCELY DETERMINED NOT TO. Carry on with your delusions.

I quite agree wit "Lady" on this mata. The best thin to do for your friend is to PRAY for him. Only God can answer all these questions, HIS ways are unsearchable and are all MYSTERIES. Thing u canot undastand wit your mind xcept u want to go mad. Just believe in Him and I bet He'll show Himself to your friend. You know the funny tin, people like your friend really go extreme when they eventually realise au true GOD is.

I THINK THIS SUMS IT ALL UP!!