₦airaland Forum

dearpreye:
Yes. He knows him now. That's the good thing about sufferings - they forcefully remove every scale off our eyes.

They must pay for their myopia.

You don't sound fortunate or better than the hungry Nigerians referenced to in the article, but why this events excites you so much beats imagination.

Armstrong34:
Dis is not actually buhari fault.......D wrath of God is upon Nigeria....... ur prayer shld b lord let ur grace b upon me n my household....more calamities r still coming.....Reason of God's anger is simple"too many bloodshed in our dear country... blood r crying for vengeance... thus saith d lord....bfor u quote me... read n understand my post.. .

What has your prayer done in your life, your family and that of Nigerians? Are you not tired of this gibberish?
Grab a book, read and untie yourself.

Quakertellicus1:
Snapers, a little secret.

Even if we had gone with PDP.....the same issues would have happened.

Our wealth, such as it is, is dependent on the rise and fall in oil prices. Which is why we are in this trouble....and which is why PDP winning in 2015 won't have made things better.

The thing is....Nigeria should have, and should be.....going through a period of hardship while we make the necessary spending in power, education, and transport to become a manufacturing power. Not using oil money to over-import (PDP style) or waiting for oil to rise again (APC style).

Food prices are high because for the sixteen years PDP was in power, they were able to hide the food gap we had in this country by importing. Even then, we still had the same issues in the time of plenty. Now....oil prices have fallen....and the truth is revealed....we were never ever rich.

You can call me a APC stooge, and a Zombie.....but I would be glad if you chewed on this before you start.....rich nations are not dependent on oil money....or on money from exporting raw materials and agric productis....but by innovation innovation. High time this government realized that....and I expect you the Opposition to tell them that. Oil is a burden....not a blessing.

Nice observation, oil/precious stones and other natural resources can be a blessing when well managed (the experience of Botswana comes to mind) but the tendency for these resources to hurt the development of a country is very high.
Though there is a revenue shortfall occasioned by the decline in oil prices, the resources in the country is still enough to run the country. Redistribution is the way forward. The masses should seal up the National assembly and Aso rock, they are gulping Far TOO much money for doing nothing.
I don't think the people are hungry enough, majority still have food to eat...when the hunger is unbearable they will attack their oppressors.

buteak:
First and foremost, what is two third of 109?if u get d answer tell me if he has d no or not, forget story Na saraki dey dull himself, he should use what he has to get his need, I hate coward that is d reason I hate bukola saraki...he is a coward.. simple

Young man, educate yourself on conditions that need to be met before the President can be impeached. Inform yourself before contributing to discussuions or you will appear really stupid.

omenka:
@ 1freshdude: I really can't see what "trust" has got to do with anything here quite frankly. Pray tell, what has trust for whoever it is at the center got to do with the respective state governments upholding the and protecting the interest of their people through visible commitment to good governance manifested by infrastructures on ground The meagre advancements we've recorded in some states still took place under the same atmosphere of "mistrust", if you like, so one would wonder- if they can build a 1km road while not trusting someone, why can't they 100km while still not trusting them rather than diverting the funds into their personal accounts?? Is there something I'm missing??

As for me, no matter how we flip this dice, only one face comes up- corruption and moral depravity. They are the root cause of the problems we see today and this is exercebated by the sheer ignorance and illiteracy of a huge chunk of our population who roll out drums and turn instant cheerleaders whenever the see the shadows of those criminals.

We might have structural problems, yes, but there are countless examples of states (countries) that flourish under the current system we practice and so also those who do under true federalism- good governance hardly differentiates between the two- morality is the key.

Trust has everything thing to do with what is on ground. The IPOBS gave GEJ a benefit of doubt even though he did nothing for them, hoping that he would make amends should he win his second term, same way the North only votes for Northerners. And the projects you talk about were carried out in the earlier times when level of trust were not this low or when the military was in power.
Corruption thrives because of hunger and poverty, minimum wage cannot be 18,000k and you expect people to be honest, how will they make ends meet if they are honest? our revenue cannot come cheaply from oil and you expect people to be honest...corruption does not happen in isolation. Running the country on the proceeds from oil makes people lazy and unproductive, every person wants a piece of the rent.

omenka:
@PassingShot: yet again, you prove your mettle- bravo!!

We've been down this road several times and have flogged the issue to near death.

Make no mistakes, Omenka stands for "true federalism" any day any time especially for one cardinal reason- granting such would expose what lazy, ignorant, unintelligent, and irresponsible bunch of leaders we have in our various states as excuses for non-performance would become almost nonexistent!

I have said it time and again- true federalism isn't in itself our major problem as espoused in your article, political and moral corruption is. Our current crop of leaders possess neither the political will or the moral fortitude to wean us off the current system of eternal breastfeeding. Grant an autonomous status to the states of some of these governors screaming "true federalism" at every mic that has the opportunity to come before their face and watch them whittle away like gmelina tree in the Sahara desert.

Those who have the will to make changes in their respective domains are doing so and would do so under any system- and those who aren't might fare even worse regardless of the strength of their state purses.

I could not help but contribute to this discussion.
You make good points in your write up, but the problem with your point is it simplicity, you leave out a lot of important issues.
The problems that this unitary System of governance has brought about is far more complex and has lots of dimensions to it. The bedrock under which successful relationships are built is trust, this virtue or factor is lacking in Nigeria today not just because of the multi-ethnicity nature of the country, but especially because of the serial miss-governance and abuse perpetrated on Nigerians by all past Nigerian leaders. Trust is long dead in Nigeria, most especially when the person asking for your trust is from another tribe. Once bitten they say....twice shy. (Though Nigerians have been beaten like 20 times). Trust has deteriorated to the level that leaders who mean well, but who are from other tribes than ours is not given a chance, negative givens and rationales is read into their actions. It is that bad. The points you made about the governors looting their states blind and still getting popular support is correct, but you must understand that the abused, the poor and the downtrodden (60% of Nigerians are in this class) will turn to thieves, their oppressors (who steal what is theirs) so far that their crumbs are guaranteed. Ibori et al are perceived as the good ones because they empowered a fraction of their people (though just a fraction of their enormous loot, this has a ripple effect because of the dependents that would benefit from the empowered and the perception that their actions create; what the federal government would not do for our sons...our own governor, one of us has done for them). Let me cut to the chase.
The one way to store a bit of sanity to the system and give Nigeria a chance for survival is to restructure or enforce true federalism. The issue of trust would be taken care of to an extent as people will give a government headed by one of theirs a benefit of doubt. Also, the miss-interpretation of government actions would be reduced. Politicians and magicians have a lot in common, they both work assiduously to keep peoples attention from what they really are doing. Politicians always blame the center for the woes in their communities, they tell their constituents how some hausa fulani man is blocking their attempts to bring development to them. The poor constituents, how can they verify? With true federalism it becomes clear who to hold responsible.
Another issue is that of productivity revenue generation and national development. It has been empirically proven that countries do not grow from proceeds from rent. How do people get committed to their civil duty and ensure that the government is up and doing when they dont finance the government? The extract below is Awolowos word from far back...

"...There is that broad, smooth road, with promises of no taxation, and no efforts to get money from other places, leading nowhere but to perdition, poverty, disease and economic enslavement; and there is the other road - people who go therein pay tax. They also have to apply self-help and self-sacrifice to get where they want. But this road ... leads to success." Awolowo, speaking to the nascent rentier Nigerian state, drunk on oil revenue in 1954.

See how the words from 1954 seem like they were spoken today? very smart man he was. True federalism will make the man in Anambra, Sokoto, Osun, Kogi to stand up his ass and become productive or he dies of hunger. This spoon feeding from the proceeds of rent must stop. Let all states sustain themselves, those who cannot should merge.
I have a million and one argument for the restructuring of Nigeria but i have made the most salient one, to foster trust between the ruler and the ruled. And I tell you, I dont trust anybody in Aso rock but Buhari (even the way Buhari is playing deaf to lots of grievous issues this days is giving me a rethink) APC and PDP politicians are all thieves who have done and would keep doing every evil to preserve their privileges... they have fed fat for too long on the proceeds from rent...we need to scatter the party using true federalism. Let the senators or governors/reps understand that have to earn money before they can spend it.

PassingShot:
Restructuring is not the solution to our problems. Bringing people to account is.

Irrespective of the type of government we practice, wicked leaders will still perpetuate their wickedness.

I could not help but contribute to this discussion.
You make good points in your write up, but the problem with your point is it simplicity, you leave out a lot of important issues.
The problems that this unitary System of governance has brought about is far more complex and has lots of dimensions to it. The bedrock under which successful relationships are built is trust, this virtue or factor is lacking in Nigeria today not just because of the multi-ethnicity nature of the country, but especially because of the serial miss-governance and abuse perpetrated on Nigerians by all past Nigerian leaders. Trust is long dead in Nigeria, most especially when the person asking for your trust is from another tribe. Once bitten they say....twice shy. (Though Nigerians have been beaten like 20 times). Trust has deteriorated to the level that leaders who mean well, but who are from other tribes than ours is not given a chance, negative givens and rationales is read into their actions. It is that bad. The points you made about the governors looting their states blind and still getting popular support is correct, but you must understand that the abused, the poor and the downtrodden (60% of Nigerians are in this class) will turn to thieves, their oppressors (who steal what is theirs) so far that their crumbs are guaranteed. Ibori et al are perceived as the good ones by their people because they empowered a fraction of their people (though just a fraction of their enormous loot, this has a ripple effect because of the dependents that would benefit from the empowered and the perception that their actions create; what the federal government would not do for our sons...our own governor, one of us has done for them). Let me cut to the chase.
The one way to restore a bit of sanity to the system and give Nigeria a chance of survival is to restructure or enforce true federalism. The issue of trust would be taken care of to an extent as people will give a government headed by one of theirs a benefit of doubt. Also, the miss-interpretation of government actions would be reduced. Politicians and magicians have a lot in common, they both work assiduously to keep peoples attention from what they really are doing. Politicians always blame the center for the woes in their communities, they tell their constituents how some hausa fulani man is blocking their attempts to bring development to them. The poor constituents, how can they verify? With true federalism it becomes clear who to hold responsible.
Another issue is that of productivity revenue generation and national development. It has been empirically proven that countries do not grow from proceeds from rent. How do people get committed to their civil duty and ensure that the government is up and doing when they dont finance the government? The extract below is Awolowos word from far back...

"...There is that broad, smooth road, with promises of no taxation, and no efforts to get money from other places, leading nowhere but to perdition, poverty, disease and economic enslavement; and there is the other road - people who go therein pay tax. They also have to apply self-help and self-sacrifice to get where they want. But this road ... leads to success." Awolowo, speaking to the nascent rentier Nigerian state, drunk on oil revenue in 1954.

See how the words from 1954 seem like they were spoken today? very smart man he was. True federalism will make the man in Anambra, Sokoto, Osun, Kogi to stand up his ass and become productive or he dies of hunger. This spoon feeding from the proceeds of rent must stop. Let all states sustain themselves, those who cannot should merge.
I have a million and one argument for the restructuring of Nigeria but i have made the most salient one, to foster trust between the ruler and the ruled. And I tell you, I dont trust anybody in Aso rock but Buhari (even the way Buhari is playing deaf to lots of grievous issues this days is giving me a rethink) APC and PDP politicians are all thieves who have done and would keep doing every evil to preserve their privileges... they have fed fat for too long on the proceeds from rent...we need to scatter the party using true federalism. Let the senators or governors/reps understand that have to earn money before they can spend it.

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Pavarottii:
Keep Quiet! Yes he did well. It's ur type that won't be a billionaire in future. His good economic policies made money circulate from top down the grass root. There was happiness in our face. U really know nothing about economic policies just like ur master buhari. That has spread hunger, suffering and tears round d country. Must we all suffer? Oga if u one suffer. It's ur luck. Me I want to be a billionaire.

GEJ outclasses all head of states. Dead or alive.

God bless GEJ.
Still thinking for wat God will do to Buhari and his supporters for bring HARDSHIP to this country.

Whatever do you need Billions for? Crook! Wretched people be thinking that having plenty of money would make them happier. Dream on.

Oma307:
So these people will join the unemployed youth. What a pity

They joined the unemployed youths long ago, during GEJ's Regime in fact. The last time they were paid was in 2014!

valslove8715:
Who is d zombie here? can't u read where it was stated that they re bn owed more than 18months salary? they ve bn technically out of job since 2014 '

You reason well.

Nickymezor:
Hmmmm , unemployment rate is really escalating by d day. God help us.

They became technical unemployed from 2014. The report says they are been owed 2 years salary, so how did their disengagement change anything?

SuperS1Panther:
Whatever that means!!!!

I taught you are educated? Are we talking about Federalism or trivia everyday poor man Nigerian discussion? Lagos is no man's Land, no it's our land?

SuperS1Panther:
Is it not understandable if other SWern states are appending themselves to Lagos, with glaring cultural, geographical, historical and population linkage to it

What can we call people from SE that are appending themselves to the same Lagos without any cultural or historical linkage to it?

CONTEXT! thats the difference.

ayokellany:
If the whole Igbo race can be dying in droves to append its present and future of it's generation yet unborn to Lagos I believe other Yoruba appending themselves to a part of their land is awelcome development. This shows Igbo's have totally mortgaged their lives to Lagos as ridiculously [b]LAZY N DEVOID OF IDEAS /INNOVATION . [/b]This not only prove the red mud land is a cesspit of failures calles humans. I will advice total annihilation to to guide against further wastage of federal resources to that region so that other important area can be developed for your likes to run to.

Brilliant.
Keep selling your properties and go on thinking that noise making will return it back to you.

RockHard:
You sound so fvcking naive. Go and tell that to your kinsmen who are still lamenting over their 'abandoned properties' at PH as we speak. I thought I was dealing with a reasonable person, not knowing that you are slowpoke. I have better things to do with my time abeg.

Yes you need to fetch water from the well! MALU!

RockHard:
You are a hypocrite and I am beginning to actually believe you are an igbo fellow coz they are the only set of folks that espouse such sentiments as you are voicing. You are the one arguing on the basis of fear of losing your properties owing to the assertiveness of Yorubas on their ownership of Lagos. But you need not worry about that as Yorubas are not that heartless. We didn't convert igbo properties during and after the civil war and even gladly handed them the back rents collected in their absence upon their return, unlike your ikwerre and ijaw neighbors who weren't so charitable up till today. All your talk about 'contracts' haven't helped the igbos in their efforts to retrieve their properties up till today.

So you need not worry about losing your investments in a Yoruba nation in the inevitable event of the disintegration of 'One Nigeria', as I assure you that resident permits concessions will be granted individuals in your category, in line with world's best practices.

You have comprehension issues. Yoruba or any other tribe need not fear what whoever person says about property ownership, if its your property, show the document slowpoke!

IHEJIRIKAisBOKO:
Okay let me flow along with your logic; let me throw your question back at you. Did the Northern Cabals not fufill the requirements for owning Oil Blocs in the Niger Delta? If so, what then are the Militants fighting for? Why then are they all agitating for resource control?

Oil is a natural resource; Land is also a natural resource. Lagos is Yorubaland and it belong to the Yoruba's the same way the Niger Delta Oil belong to the Niger Deltans. Osu ibo, go back to iboland

Are you supporting the Militants actions, because I am not and never said I was? Be articulate, whats your point?

IHEJIRIKAisBOKO:
shut your akpu smelling mouth. Who the fvck are you? At best, you are an ''industrious ibo boy'' trafficking cocaine to Indonesia. Now let this sink into your akpu filled skull - IBOS ARE GOING BACK TO IBOLAND BY FIRE BY FORCE

Hehe, yagbesara olorun!
TI MALU RE BA FI OGUN ODUN SARE, IWAJU NI YIO MA BAA ESIN MI! Taa, Ta ni baba e, omo oloshi!

RockHard:
You might as well come out and tell us you are a 'One Nigeria' advocate, which i clearly am not, coz it's obvious that you are approaching the issue from that vantage point. But in as much as I respect your right to your personal feelings on the subject matter, I really don't give a flying funk, sorry.

The real crux of my argument is based on the simple FACT that Lagos IS a part of the SW geopolitical zone, which was the point I made in my rebut the the user I quoted, but obviously you have a real issue with that statement of fact. Big deal. Deal with it. That a Yoruba person owns landed property in London does not change nor negate the fact that London is in the UK now, does it? Or do you hear Yoruba property owners there calling the place a 'nomansland' on that account?? You have a brain for a reason, please make use of it.

I wonder why its so difficult for you to grasp simple/glaring points. It has nothing to do with one Nigeria, there are contract and property transfer laws in every society that spells out how to acquire or transfer a property regardless of if you are a Russian or an Ibibio, you get?
So your fear is that people lay claims to owning an area? You are funny and seem to me like a man of little means and knowledge.
If you sell all your property to your neighbors the the property belongs to them. The only way to lay claim to a property is not to sell it.
You want to eat your cake and have it?

IHEJIRIKAisBOKO:
You better tell all your yi.bo Governors to start building sufficient refugee camps for you. You are all going back to bi.afraud

Dummy....My life is so secured and better than yours. If only you know who your chatting with, Nairaland is just a way to feel the pulse of Nigeria and I must say that Nigerians are mostly stupid, lazy and trivial. Get a life!

RockHard:
That is because the Yorubas are wading off the land-grabbing ambitions of non-Yorubas who are making a habit of separating that piece of Yoruba real estate from the rest of the SW geopolitical zone/region. Yorubas like myself are just simply setting the records straight in that context. We will continue to remind such mischief makers that Lagos is SW and every true Yorubaman will gladly defend the territorial integrity of Lagos with his blood if need be.

This sounds delusional. What do you mean by land grabbing? You mean people do not fulfill the requirements for land and property transfer before owning them? Do you know the no of Yoruba persons that have properties in London and everywhere out side Yoruba land? whats your point again?

Shewunoshewa:
Because Lagos is the common heritage of all Yorubas. Lagos is the melting pot for all Yorubas.

Thats so false! Lagos is located in the SW. Nothing more! Lagos is a high-breed society, very very diverse and here in lies the strength and economic strides!
Melting point ko, meltin point ni.
Move your lazy asses and find productive things to do...they litter everywhere!

Shewunoshewa:
What if no one wants to merge with them?
If your state is making a lot, will it want to carry another state's burdens on its head?

Thats not how things work.
Nigeria is basically a virgin ground, a big ''forest'' with a large market....there is a lot to be done. What you should make out of this is that there are over a million opportunities!
The return on investments is expected...and is usually often very high in virgin societies like Nigeria, all states should be viable for the first 50 years because you dont even need to crack your head to find a gap. Everything needs to be done in Nigeria.
Population/no is a very important criteria for growth. There are loads of literature's that support this claim, but you need not look far, take Lagos for example. Do you know how Lagos earns a significant portion of its IGR? TAX! You should know the relationship between tax revenue and labor size!

Shewunoshewa:
Dont mind the OP. He is just trying to be mischievous.
The true federalism we are clamouring for is the same as regionalism. It's just that Nigeria now has 36 regions as against the 3/4 we had pre 1967.
Any state that cannot survive can either merge with any other willing state or be completely taken over by the FG.

Taken over by FG ke? let them merge if they can not sustain themselves standing alone.

RockHard:
SuperS1Panther is absolutely correct. Abeg which geopolitical zone does Lagos fall under?? Abi where is Lagos situated if not in the same SW?? Or better still, why not tell us the geopolitical zone that better fits that position than the SW, since you are obviously having issues coming to terms with a simple fact??

What is with the whole hullabaloo about Lagos, why are other south western state trying so hard to append themselves to Lagos? Are the other south western states lazy and devoid of ideas/innovations that they can not imagine life without allocation? whats the whole noise about please?

pulsa:
With the recent spate of calls for true federalism from several quarters of the country, I took it pertinent to research its implication for the south west and I was not impressed.
There was one thing it required which should never be allowed to see the light of day; namely State of residency.
Federalism requires state of residency over the state of origin now used, as a Yoruba man this is tantamount to us committing suicide, imagining the massive immigration(invasion) into our region send shivers down my spine; seeing as it will most likely be far better than all other regions.
To this end I feel that regionalism will favour us south westerners seeing as it allows border control to a large extent, abi ki le ro (or what do you guys think).

Apparently your research was hurried done without a careful consideration of important factors that make Lagos and Ogun State (because of positive externalities from Lagos) viable. What are the IGR of other Southwest States?
Lagos is what it is today not just because of its geography (the Ports), infact the demographic composition of Lagos is to a large the reason it is bouyant. ou probably are not aware of the percentage of Lagos IGR that taxes account for, or do you think the government taxes the bridges or poles? The bulk of the taxes generated by Lagos State come from Business people who are mostly non-yorubas and in exchange, the Lagos State government is supposed to ensure a conducive and people/business friendly environment, but far from it. My point is that the Lagos State government is the better-off Party in this relationship.
You need to do your research again cause you omitted the most important consideration. Or, you are probably from Osun or Ibadan and advocate regionalism so that your State is not left in an economic wilderness.
I am not tribalistic but don't get it twisted, the SS will be better off in the long-run should through Federalism come!
I am not from the ss!

blackmatter007:
Every state will make an effort sir, simply because they are now closer to the people with more powers and decisions vested upon them, so it is a must that they perform because they No longer have the federal government to blame for non performance.

You may have missed the main point here Sir. Doesn't true Federalism entail that States foot their Bills? How will government raise funds if they don't make an effort? I thought this was the most salient issue!

TPAND:
TOMPOLO is way too rich to be hiding in the creeks. This report is fake. This is conjured by insular minds that have travelled out of the southwest. They don't hide in creeks.

Whats has wealth got to do with hiding or running for your life? You mean rich people dont run or hide in odd places when been pursued?
Whats your point?

kingkakaone:
this guy is a scam who scammed the scammers.

His rants were to gain a job and he actually got the job he wanted only for his greed to make his plans to be quickly discovered.


Why is it that no Nigerian wants to give out to the nation but always expecting the nations to give him? Even in offices u will see employees looking for a way to steal from the companies.


if Nigeria is to rise above this stage, we have to start thinking and acting like patriots.
May God almighty remove this type of wicked mindset from us in Jesus name...

What do you mean by your comment, did you watch the guys interview on channels TV ?

cktheluckyman:
Unless Buhari makes peace with Tompolo,he should forget about achieving anything meaninful in d next 3 years.This is not a matter of staying online to rant on your phone.

About the state of emergency,Buhari cannot do that without 2/3 of the senate which he obviously can't get

Defender of all evil and despicable act, wake up and smell the coffee, declaring a state of emergency in the SS region will be supported by all Polithievecians in power if it guarantees continual flow of funds...or you want them to have nothing to loot? That would also ensure that your unpaid job of defending thieves continue. So there's something in it for you.

MadamExcellency:
You are being childishly zealous but without knowledge.

So says a slowpoke. Enjoy your country!

MadamExcellency:
Acting under authority in "disbursement of funds" has never been a crime anywhere in the world.

A man under authority obeys the last order.

There you go again talking gibberish. Read, think, talk. Follow that sequence and you will be fine.