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Khonifer:
Is divorce necessarily a bad thing? If the arrangement is no longer serving both parties is it not supposed to be encouraged they move on and let go?

If it was biblical times, they would be put to death.

AntiChristian:
It's better the west remove freedom of religion from their constitution. Our religion encompasses every laws so....

We are not changing their law. We are actually practicing the freedom of religion!

Are you saying there is no freedom of religion?

You are changing the law by trying to silence free speech.
The west has always stood for free speech.

AntiChristian:
Muhammad is our Prophet. He was a man not God.

Jesus too is similar!

And why are people mocking them?

So where is the Muslim outrage when Jesus is mocked ?

They are entitled to mock if they don't feel the same way about them like you do.

AntiChristian:
Where is the west? I am a Nigerian. And there's no free speech anywhere since there can be slander or libel against whoever misyan!

How do you feel when Mohammed is mocked?

At least Nigeria is still a secular state

With current trends Islam would become the world's dominant religion.

A country with 100% Muslim Is already a problem.

Imagine the world at 100% Muslim.

AntiChristian:
My civilization is defined by me not you!

And your civilization can not be forced on others.

Ain't that the same intolerance you are brandishing?

But you want to alter free speech in the west when you feel offended huh?

Is the west a Sharia zone?

AntiChristian:
Where is your statistics? Show us the killings?

And as I said before you lie too much! Stop responding to me as you need to go home and be retrained not to tell lies! We don't worship any Prophet. Our Prophet married with the parents permission and there was no rape.

May the liars be cursed in this world and in the next if they refuse to repent!

With the way y'all react when Mohammed is mocked it's almost like he's your God.

When Jesus who y'all claim to love is made gay and equally mocked on TV. Y'all turn a blind eye.

AntiChristian:
Yes, if the person is tried and found worthy of being executed!

Never go to the west and change their laws if Sharia zones won't change their laws for foreigners.

You muslims are hypocrites.

They claim to hear from the holy spirit and it's all fake.

Kriss216:
Christians are not hypocrites. It is more noble to divorce than live with a promiscuous woman.

Why marry her in the 1st place?

FarinJini:
1Sharon There are so many things I'll love to share with you but my battery is low now so I can't go on.
We've really put in time into this discussion and I appreciate it that your doing this with me. I'll like to clarify that I am not doing this just to win an argument or to convince you into becoming a Muslim (though I'd be really glad if you do ). I'm only doing this to clear some of the misconceptions you have about Islam. The things you're hearing about Islam from none Muslims may be popular but being popular isn't necessarily true. Get to know Islam yourself and I'm 100 percent sure that that your opinion about this religion will change for good.

Enjoy the rest of your day

You didnt clear any misconceptions. All you did was go off point and go round in circles.

What did I say about Islam that wasn't true? And why haven't you tried to set the record straight?

Not once have you addressed the blasphemy laws and apostasy laws. Does that exist in Sharia zones, yes or no?

Is Sharia not fundamental true Islam, yes or no?

FarinJini:
Please do and I'll appreciate it if you inform me when you create the thread.
All these issues you raised about Jesus being God, him being the son of God, being crucified etc, the Quran tells us that they are false but the Christians believe these to be true because they're in the Bible. The Quran did tell us that he spoke as a baby while the Bible does not contain anything about him speaking as a baby.
The Muslims believe in the Quran and the Christians the Bible. From the above, both the Quran and the Bible have different narrations about the same person (Jesus) that only implies one thing: one of them is incorrect because they're talking about the same person right?
It's now a question of which of them is correct?
Without sentiments, the Quran has no contradiction at all, zero mistake! You'll never find a single mistake in the Quran because there are none! The Quran is the only book in the world that is one hundred percent perfect. Prove me wrong.
The Bible on the other hand has so many contradictions. They are so many I can give you at least 20. Here's a few:

Mathew 28:8
And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
Luke 24:9
Then they returned from the tomb and told all these things to the eleven and to all the rest.
Mark 16:8
So they went out quickly and fled from the tomb, for they trembled and were amazed. And they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.


Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned
John 8:51
Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death


Proverb 12:22
Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.
1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.


Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God
Not of works, lest any man should boast
James 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

If you'll be honest with yourself, you'll know that the narration the Quran gave on Jesus is indeed the correct one.

That is not what we are arguing about. I don't care which holey book is legitimate. I have no affiliation to any of them.

My point is that blasphemy is subjective according to which religion you follow.

Someone is free to mock Mohammed if he wants to. The west stands for liberation and free speech. If youre Muslims and you get offended about that, stay in Nigeria.

After all atheists can't go and be open about their atheism in Sharia countries can they?

If they won't change their laws, who are you to say they should change theirs by silencing peoples comments about Mohammed.

The west is not a Sharia zone, there are no blasphemy laws.

Do you see the hypocrisy now with Muslims?

HISSCRIBE1995:
John 12:48-50
[48]He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day

Quran 5:72
Those who say, ‘God is the Messiah, son of Mary,’ have defied God. The Messiah himself said, ‘Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord.’ If anyone associates others with God, God will forbid him from the Garden, and Hell will be his home. No one will help such evildoers.

BeLookingIDIOT:
Ahh...The "fatwa envy"
You mean the same "xtian" nations were gay marriage is recognized? ...Nah bro...Their liberalism is despite xtianity and not because of it.
There are also some liberal Muslim nations tolerant of atheism– and not because of Islam either.
Every student of history knows what have happened every single time the church wields power...and that's more reason why atheists shouldn't stop what they do; more reason your wings should continually get clipped

Fatwa envy !! Lol!

HISSCRIBE1995:
Atheists should respect Christians for their peaceful nature or go to Syria and fight for the rights of the atheists there the way it's been done in the western world and let's see if you will come back alive.

So respect the name of jesus christ and appreciate his sacrifice and love for you.
Most of all accept him as your lord and saviour

Why don't you go and fight for their rights? Are you supposed to be a loving Christian?

DD29:
You Brainwashed Idiot, Americans And Their Christain Followers Are The Terrorist Of This World.The Taliban Did Not Go To The U S And Overthrow Their Govt But Rather Its The U S And The Christains Countries Who Invade Afghanistan Kill Civilians And Overthrown A Legit Taliban Govt.So,who Is A Terrorist Now!?

Why do Muslims refugees love to go to Christian countries?

Why don't they go to rich Muslim nations where they'll fit in?

FarinJini:
You are the first person telling me this is offensive to the Christians. I have so many Christian friends and neighbours and we do have discussions like this and they've never mentioned anything that is even remotely close to finding this offensive. And you said you're not a Christian so tell me, is it really the Christians that finds it offensive or it's just you?
Jesus is indeed supernatural even according to the Bible. And we (Muslims) believe in the Quran completely. The Quran tells us that Jesus spoke as a baby and that's why we believe it. We didn't just come up with a story to defame Jesus. The Quran explains it as a miracle and we believe it to be the first miracle of Jesus so what's there to be offended about? His birth was miraculous and He performed many miracles. There is nothing blasphemous about saying he spoke as a baby because even the aim or motive for saying so it to show how special he is and not to smear him.

You said "we are all blasphemers according to one religion or another". I disagree with you. This is completely wrong. If you don't mind sharing, it'll help me to give you better examples that you can relate to if I know your religious beliefs.

It is regarded as heretic.
Would you like me to open a thread on Christian opinion about this? Okay, forget Jesus speaking as a baby and him being God. What about the Islamic denial of saying Jesus is the son of God or being crucified?

To believe those things about Jesus is central in Christianity but Muslims believe that is blasphemy and Christians will burn for that.

Christians in turn believe you cannot be a Christian if you don't have those beliefs about Jesus and minimizing his divinity is blasphemy FOR THEM.

Do you see why blasphemy is subjective according to whatever belief you hold?

It is not blasphemous for atheists and Christians to mock Mohammed because he is only significant to YOU MUSLIMS.
He is not special to the rest of us.

If you don't agree with free speech, do not live in the west.

Kobojunkie:
Yes there is! If you have spent time reading the book you would know what I know.

Like?

Kobojunkie:
That is very untrue.

Is there anything like equality between the sexes in the Bible?

Kobojunkie:
I have seen his every moves and can predict his flight patterns as well.. boring me already!

Because you harden your heart, he too will harden his.

Kobojunkie:
No thanks!

But FSM loves you and wants a relationship with you.

Abetterperson:
Please I ask this question so that I can be education about the topic
I do live in a community that's is dominated by Muslims and I try my best not to judge people by their race, religion and culture.
Being a Christian myself I always wondered why some Muslims are so intolerant, don't get me wrong some Christians are also intolerant about others religious preference and ignorance as no religion.
what is going on in the world today is nothing new, religion has always been a source of tension, Hitler under the pretense of being a Christian cause the Holocaust, slavery was justified by claiming the Bible cursed black people to forever be slaves as we were believed to be the descendants of Esau.
I think with all this being said whether you are a Muslim or a Christian I think we can all agree that evil has always been justified by using religion
Going back to my question why are today's extremist Muslims bent on causing bloodshed under the pretense of serving their God, they claim that Allah has promised 70 virgins to anyone that kills "sinners"
How true is this statement

You're welcome

https://www.nairaland.com/6705199/horrifying-islam-facts#104860425

Dreebieee:
I know the bible talks about submission. Some christians will tell you the bible said wives should submit to their husbands when they want to argue against feminism. I believe submission should be a both ways. You submit to me, me you. It's not a self marriage.
Why then do people and pastors only hammer on wives submitting?

Are you a feminist? Feminism is incompatible with Christianity.

Kobojunkie:
Are you here to preach your own religion at those whom you castigate then?

I'd love to preach my religion to you.

The Christians and Muslims that tell you their religion teaches love are simply gaslighting you.

Go into their holey books and it's world war 3.

The Bible says to fear not, but fear the north.

FarinJini:
okay I get it now. "Offensive because it implies a supernatural element about him": I never knew the Christians find this offensive. By the way, there's indeed a supernatural element about Jesus.
Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel".
His birth is supernatural. He was not conceived through mating unlike you and I and everyone else. I believe you'll agree with me that it is "supernatural" for a virgin to give birth to a child.

About him speaking as a baby, it is not explained in the Bible (at least none that I know of) but the Quran explains this in chapter 19.
Just imagine, Mary, mother of Jesus, in a very conservative and religious community. She is from a well known family. A daughter of a priest, and has spent most of her life in the Temple. This virtuous, saintly, unmarried woman arrives carrying her child, in front of people who knew her and her family very well. How can she prove her innocence? Would anyone believe her? What on earth is she going to do? She needed a miracle. Only a miracle could vindicate Mary in front of the people. She needed a miracle, and that is precisely what she got. A great miracle:
It was baby Jesus, still in the cradle, who spoke to the crowd, defending his mother, and vindicating her for ever, and dispelling any doubt about her purity.
This is how the whole scene is beautifully described in the Quran:

Quran 19 vs 16-35:
(19:16) (O Muhammad), recite in the Book the account of Mary, when she withdrew from her people to a place towards the east;
(19:17) and drew a curtain, screening herself from people whereupon We sent to her Our spirit and he appeared to her as a well-shaped man.
(19:18) Mary exclaimed: "I surely take refuge from you with the Most Compassionate Lord, if you are at all God-fearing."
(19:19) He said: "I am just a message-bearer of your Lord, I have come to grant you a most pure boy."
(19:20) Mary said: "How can a boy be born to me when no man has even touched me, nor have I ever been unchaste?"
(19:21) The angel said: "Thus shall it be. Your Lord says: 'It is easy for Me; and We shall do so in order to make him a Sign for mankind and a mercy from Us. This has been decreed.' "
(19:22) Then she conceived him and withdrew with him to a far-off place.
(19:23) Then the birth pangs drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree and she said: "Oh, would that I had died before this and had been all forgotten."
(19:24) Thereupon the angel below her cried out: "Grieve not, for your Lord has caused a stream of water to flow beneath you.
(19:25) Shake the trunk of the palm-tree towards yourself and fresh and ripe dates shall fall upon you.
(19:26) So eat and drink and cool your eyes; and if you see any person say to him: 'Verily I have vowed a fast to the Most Compassionate Lord, and so I shall not speak to anyone today.' "
(19:27) Then she came to her people, carrying her baby. They said: "O Mary! You have committed a monstrous thing.
(19:28) O sister of Aaron! Your father was not an evil man, nor was your mother an unchaste woman."
(19:29) Thereupon Mary pointed to the child. They exclaimed: "How can we speak to one who is in the cradle, a mere child?"
(19:30) The child cried out: "Verily I am Allah's servant. He has granted me the Book and has made me a Prophet
(19:31) and has blessed me wherever I might be and has enjoined upon me Prayer and Zakah (purifying alms) as long as I live;
(19:32) and has made me dutiful to my mother. He has not made me oppressive, nor bereft of God's blessings.
(19:33) Peace be upon me the day I was born and the day I will die, and the day I will be raised up alive."
(19:34) This is Jesus, the son of Mary; and this is the truth about him concerning which they are in doubt.
(19:35) It does not befit Allah to take for Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing He only says: "Be" and it is.

This is the reason the Muslims believe Jesus spoke as a baby.

Now you know. It is seen as heretic to tell Christians Jesus spoke as a baby.

So this is why blasphemy is subjective and we are all blasphemers according to one religion or another.

Now does any Christian society have blasphemy laws in place?

If someone mocks Mohammed that is blasphemy to YOU. but not to the mocker.

Your religious beliefs are special to YOU only.

FarinJini:
sorry I don't understand. Seems like a typo. Could you please rephrase?

Muslims believe that Jesus spoke as a baby. That right there is offensive to Christians because it implies a supernatural element about him.

A001:
I have, at least since 2008.

I'm not religious I'm just curious why you criticize Islam passionately unlike Christianity.

You havent circulated the religious section for long enough then, cos you're wrong!

A001:
Why do you take special interest in criticizing Islam and Qur'an?

I don't think you've been on NL very long.
Are you Muslim?

Emu4life:
The jews and christians are doing contrary to their own very scriptures, the Qur'an corrects the anomalies.

Nah, maybe your Qur'an is the anomaly.

FarinJini:
Girl I'm utterly disappointed in you, to say the least. I was really expecting a reply with an evidence based approach with a cogent argument and references but no! You chose to gibber. You've just wasted my time. You missed the mark girl. You are obviously very far below my expectations.

Right. Something from the Qur'an that is offensive to Christians.

Muslims believe that Jesus as a spoke as baby. That right there is offensive to Christians because it implies a supernatural element about him.

And you Muslims don't like telling Christians that fact, why is that?