segbe88:
The catholic church does not base all its knowledge in the scriptures...
We base part of our knowledge on inspiration from God and tradition....

MsFaith:


And so if you know God will judge only individuals under these organisations, why don't you leave them and let God be their JUDGE ?

Why are you judging them already on behalf of God?

MsFaith:


And so if you know God will judge only individuals under these organisations, why don't you leave them and let God be their JUDGE ?

Why are you judging them already on behalf of God?

segbe88:


We are talking about the gift to be the Mother of God, a privilege given to her by God, to be blessed among women, is that not a divine gift?

segbe88:



The purpose of religion is to direct one to God.

True religion directs one to the one and only true God.

good religion directs one to the one and only good God.

Its a light to shine and guide people, If one is i guided or taught the wrong thing God will also judge the teachers for misleading, how if one decides not to follow the light shown to him/her, God will be their judge not human.

Barnabaseloka:

it was not a gift, but a privilege and favour done to her. Stop attaching unnecessary meaning to what the Scriptures did not say. When we want to talk about gifts from the Holy Spirit, it is anothe r thing altogether.

segbe88:


A gift or a present is an item given to someone without the expectation of payment.

A favour give someone something out of good will, generoousity of kindness.


Please I dont know how you want to put it, the favour came or gift came from God. She became mother of God. God prepared her for that purpose.

MsFaith:


Ok. So what is the light shown here? Cus I can't see any only arguments

Barnabaseloka:

Yes you are right. The favour came as a gift (Jesus). We also know that there are gifts that come from the Holy Spirit, given to believers. But, how did God prepare her for that purpose?

MsFaith:


God is good and He started the Catholic Church, that makes the Catholic Church also good...

segbe88:


To be without sin

HopeAlive14:


There is so much confusion in the christendom today due to strange doctrines.

Jesus speaking in Mark 7:13 "And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others."(NIV)

Any doctrine or tradition that is not based on Scripture, no matter how good it appears or sounds is unprofitable and should be discarded.

Barnabaseloka:

Any scriptural backup to your claims? If we believe that the Scriptures are the ultimate and the foundation to our belief, why can't we back what we say using them?

segbe88:



Exactly my point, If Barnabaseloka feels the catholic church is teaching the wrong thing because he does not see a reference in the bible he should at least confront the teachers and tell them these are his reasons for thinking so, hear their thought before countering them.

You can not tag a teaching as wrong when you do not know where it is coming from or simply because you only know yours. The bible in itself is written in different context, understanding a passage or text goes with understanding the context its being used. is only trying to refute ur points without evening trying to understand your points.

segbe88:


I have told you earlier all our knowledge does not come from the scripture, you can scroll up to check that.

I have asked you to research, you said because it is not in the scripture. When you research you will be amazed, but you dont want to go on that quest I guess.

Foundation you talk of, who laid that foundation for you, who brought the scriptures together. My brother, the word of God is clear, not all those read understand, understanding and wisdom is given to His people.

Barnabaseloka:

I hope you believe that the bible is the reference point for any christian? Any other thing we hear or get must come under the scrutiny of the Scriptures. If I say a wrong thing, do you need to see my teachers in order to correct me? It is your duty to correct me instantly. So also if any christian hears another christian say anything that has no reference to the Scriptures, he/she should correct the erring one using the Scriptures in love. He does not need to get to the teachers of such erring christian to correct him/her.

segbe88:


I have told you earlier all our knowledge does not come from the scripture, you can scroll up to check that.

I have asked you to research, you said because it is not in the scripture. When you research you will be amazed, but you dont want to go on that quest I guess.

Foundation you talk of, who laid that foundation for you, who brought the scriptures together. My brother, the word of God is clear, not all those read understand, understanding and wisdom is given to His people.

segbe88:
The ones in the scriptures that were discarded by the King James Bible version have you reviewed it or asked why a bible portion should be discarded.

The complete scriptures, do you think you can carry it about as a pocket bible. The scriptures that were written after the death of Christ why should we uphold them as scriptures.

We uphold them so because the come from inspired saints. Do you have a yardstick to judge a Godly inspired work.

Have you not read about way of life of the early Christains, that is the tradition we talk of. Research deep into the lives of the early Christian and judge for yourself if you are on that path

Barnabaseloka:

Do you believe that the Scriptures are complete and tells us everything we need to know about God? There were many events that took place in the world. But the Holy Spirit gave those that compiled the bible the inspiration to do so. They picked some and left some as the Holy Spirit led them. I say that the Scriptures serve as the reference point and foundation for any christian. Any other thing you hear or get must be checked with the truth in the Scriptures. This helps one to know when one is about to be deceived and going into falsehood. The Bible whether handed down to us by catholic church is complete and contains everything we need to know about God.
Deut.29:29 The secret things belong to the Lord, your God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of the law.
The ones compiled in the bible are the ones revealed to us to believe and hold on to, but not assumptions from men.

segbe88:


The ones in the scriptures that were discarded by the King James Bible version have you reviewed it or asked why a bible portion should be discarded.

The complete scriptures, do you think you can carry it about as a pocket bible. The scriptures that were written after the death of Christ why should we uphold them as scriptures.

We uphold them so because the come from inspired saints. Do you have a yardstick to judge a Godly inspired work.

Have you not read about way of life of the early Christains, that is the tradition we talk of. Research deep into the lives of the early Christian and judge for yourself if you are on that path

Barnabaseloka:

How far have you gone through the bible in your possession to check if what you are taught are truth or falsehood? I believe that no one will fully understand everything written in the bible before Christ comes. This is b/c no one can fully understand God. The more you study the bible, the more enlightened you get. So, stop arguing whether the bible the other christian holds is complete or not. Make do with the one you have got.

segbe88:


It is a pity you take the Mother of God to be with sin. The Mother of your God (Except Jesus is not your God).

segbe88:


I do not argue with you. neither do I say the bible is complete or incomplete. The bible holds truth, misinterpretation of that truth is the problem. Inspiration from God and early Christian tradition can guide you on that truth. Early Christians wrote and compiled the scriptures, you have to be in the writer's mind to understand what is fully meant.

Understanding is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Good nyt and God bless

segbe88:


There is nothing we have said that the scripture has disapproved, the problem is that you want to see it state categorically in the scripture.

Then I say, Its a free world

segbe88:


Who wrote the different scriptures and who compiled the bible.

Why where some dropped and some picked.

You believe in what you have, no doubt who dont question your faith. If you really question your faith, you will realise why Abraham's faith in God had noting to do with the bible.

segbe88:


I do not argue with you. neither do I say the bible is complete or incomplete. The bible holds truth, misinterpretation of that truth is the problem. Inspiration from God and early Christian tradition can guide you on that truth. Early Christians wrote and compiled the scriptures, you have to be in the writer's mind to understand what is fully meant.

Understanding is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Good nyt and God bless

Barnabaseloka:

Sorry that I do not need going into theology or history. The bible contains the complete compilation of everything God wants us to know, whether handed to us by the catholic church or not.
2 Tim.3:16-17
16. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction in righteousness,
17. That the man of God may be COMPLETE thoroughly equipped for every goo work.
Therefore the bible you have is complete and more than enough to give you all the truth you need to know on anything. Any other story you get is secondary. If you cannot base your claims on the Scriptures, how shall we believe it as true and live by it?

Barnabaseloka:

Yes I remember. Know that Jesus existed before but decided to come to the earth through Mary.
In heaven, is Mary still the mother of Jesus? B/c as it is written Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father and the Holy Spirit is on earth and within us.

Barnabaseloka:

During the time of the early christians, the scriptures were not yet compiled. Now that the they are compiled, let us base our teachings and faith on the Scriptures. God bless you too and good night.

HopeAlive14:


Understand one thing, brother.

We don't have to "like" any church.

The church, whether Catholic, Methodist, Evangelical, Protestant or Pentecostal will NEVER take you to heaven.

But only those who do the will of God through His Grace in JESUS CHRIST.[/b]

HopeAlive14:


There is so much confusion in the christendom today due to strange doctrines.

HopeAlive14:


Any doctrine or tradition that is not based on Scripture, no matter how good it appears or sounds is unprofitable and should be discarded.

btoks:
I'm sorry but this doesn't prove sola scriptura . You're quoting out of context. Paul was only talking about the OT here and please read the context,he mentioned going back to those whom he had learned from (v14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it v15 and how from childhood.....)

Also,going by your logic all we need is steadfastness according to James 1:4 -And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

Looking further you'll find 2thess2:15 -So then, brothers, stand firm, and cling to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.